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- From: radford@cs.toronto.edu (Radford Neal)
- Subject: Re: C source for Fractal compression, huh !
- Message-ID: <92Nov20.145206edt.589@neuron.ai.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto
- References: <MICHAEL.92Nov13144140@pullet.lanl.gov> <1992Nov16.184754.3170@maths.tcd.ie> <Bxu712.LvA@metaflow.com> <1992Nov18.024912.24072@maths.tcd.ie>
- Date: 20 Nov 92 19:53:03 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov18.024912.24072@maths.tcd.ie> tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) writes:
-
- >>...information theory does not set an absolute limit on maximum compression
-
- > As I understand it, Chaitin/Kolmogorov Algorithmic Information Theory
- > does set an absolute limit to the degree to which any given data can
- > be compressed... subject only to the choice of a particular universal
- > Turing machine. (This last proviso would not have any effect in practice.)
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- When people talk about an "absolute limit on maximum compression", they
- are referring to an ABSOLUTE theoretical limit on maximum compression.
-
- Chaitin/Kolmogorov Algorithmic Information Theory does not give such
- a limit, for the very reason you note - it depends on a particular
- choice of universal Turing machine. By chosing the Turing machine
- appropriately, I can make any string have any complexity whatsoever.
- Saying that it's not an issue in practice is not germaine - we aren't
- talking about PRACTICAL limits, but about ABSOLUTE, THEORETICAL limits.
-
- In any case, none of this has anything to do with the original topic,
- which was fractal compresion. The claims made for this technique do
- indeed seem rather dubious, given their coyness about releasing hard
- information, but they certainly can't be ruled out on theoretical
- grounds, even allowing for some additional "practical" constraints.
- There's not enough known about the psychology of human vision to tell
- how much information can be deleted from images without harm, and
- there's not enough known about the universe of images to say how
- redundant they are.
-
- Radford Neal
-