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- From: vb@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (John Van Boxtel)
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 23:55:51 GMT
- Subject: Re: Disk performance issues, was IDE vs SCSI-2 using iozone
- Message-ID: <21720010@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>
- Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA
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- Newsgroups: comp.benchmarks
- References: <1992Nov7.102940.12338@igor.tamri.com>
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- In comp.benchmarks, olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson) writes:
-
- > In <BxyBML.2pq@csn.org> milton@teal.csn.org (Milton Scritsmier) writes:
- > | In its current drives, HP remaps entire tracks, even for one sector
- > | errors (each zone has a certain number of spare tracks). This was
- >
- > That was not a great decision, if true. I've not chased down
- > just how HP does their bad block handling, as we haven't done
- > serious eval of their drive (politics as much as anything else,
- > even if it is a different division of HP from the workstations).
-
- HP choose the track sparing technique because HP believes it is
- a superior technique. Perhaps SGI's OEM drive selection was a bad decision :-)
-
- >
- > | a conscious design choice made after studying various methods. Some
- > | of the reasons they gave were that media errors often overlap sector
- > | boundaries, and that many disk operations often do not cross track
- > | boundaries. In addition, head switching times to get to a slipped
- >
- > Sector slipping means that there *is* no head switch time, by definition
- > (unless the sector slipped was the last one on the track, which is
- > relatively rare).
-
- It is unclear whether you are talking about slip sector per track
- or per cylinder. Slip sector per track is worse for capacity and
- sequential performance. Slip sector per cylinder requires a complex
- analysis to see the advantages and disadvantages. Which kind of slip
- sector are you talking about?
-
- >
- > | sector pushed onto another track or to a spare at the end of a cylinder
- > | often are several milliseconds. This is a significant fraction of a
- > | seek, especially if you have to switch back to the original track to
- > | pick up more data vs. seeking to a track where all the data is.
- >
- > Additionally, almost all SCSI drives offset sector numbers from
- > track to track to allow for the head switch time. There is
- > still the latency issue, but at least you don't miss a rev.
-
- It is because of skewing that slip sector (per track or cylinder) costs
- sequential performance.
-
- >
- > You *never* have to switch back to the original track if you
- > sector slip.
- >
- > | No doubt sector slipping gives the best overall performance in general,
- > | but with today's emphasis on capacity as well as performane, sector
- > | slipping wastes too much media. In addition, the media has improved
- > | to the point where a hundred errors on a 1 gig disk is high.
- >
- > You obviously don't understand sector wlipping. It wastes no
- > media at all. 100 errors on a 1GB disk is not at all uncommon.
-
- Perhaps you can further explain this comment. Why is it that sector
- slipping does not waste any space?
-
- John A. Van Boxtel vb@fc.hp.com
- Member of Technical Staff
- Workstation System Group
- Hewlett Packard
-
- P.S I did HP disk drives in a previous life.
-