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- From: peterd@cc.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch)
- Subject: Re: Writing an "archie", anyone want to pitch in?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.194512.28685@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
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- Organization: Bunyip Information Systems (the archie people)
- References: <46078@ogicse.ogi.edu> <1992Nov19.082212.13052@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <46131@ogicse.ogi.edu>
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:45:12 GMT
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- I have sent Aaron a separate piece of email with more
- detail, but have a couple of comments for the whole group.
-
- In article <46131@ogicse.ogi.edu>
- nabil@ogicse.ogi.edu (Aaron Nabil) writes:
- >peterd@cc.mcgill.ca (Peter Deutsch) writes:
- >+In article <46078@ogicse.ogi.edu> nabil@ogicse.ogi.edu (Aaron Nabil) writes:
- >+>I'd like to write a freely availiable archie server, preferably one
- >+>that can read existing archie databases.
- . . .
- >
- >You could try answering your email when commercial
- >sites like mine with money in their fists write you asking how
- >to set up an archie server.
-
- Your email apparently got lost, and I apologise for this,
- but archie 3.0 is definitely available and now shipping.
- Without trying to make excuses, there are a couple of
- reasons why this might have happened. Of course, we handle
- _lots_ of user-type queries each day so sometimes other
- queries get lost in the noise since Alan and Ieach
- sometimes assume the other guy answered a particular
- letter. There is currently only Alan working full-time on
- the archie project, with me doing more "building of
- business" kind of work, plus follow-on projects with our
- one employee, so we're spread pretty thin. If ever we
- don't answer email for any reason, please don't give up -
- try again.
-
- >>... I think anyone thinking of turning an
- >>archie-like tool loose on the net should consider the
- >>impact that hundreds or thousands of similar programs
- >>gathering the same data would have on volunteer information
- >>providers,...
- >
- >No doubt, but that's why I want to be able to read existing archie
- >databases.
- >
- >>BTW, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "read
- >>existing archie databases"?
- >
- >For example, ans.net has their archie database publicly readable. Several
- >archie sites are mirroring it for their own use.
-
- I now understand - you're talking about the compressed
- ls-lR files in the archie listings directories.
-
- We obviosly haven't released any of our parsers (which
- filter out error messages and verify that these listings
- files are consistent) since they are a core part of the
- archie code, and non-trivial programs to get right (the
- lack of such a parser for VMS was due to the time it took
- us as volunteers to write such a beast). There is such a
- parser for the current release and thus VMS host support
- will appear as the existing servers convert to the new
- code.
-
- Of course, we can't compete with free or subsidized
- programming time, but since this code (and providing for
- its associated support) is our only source of income we
- unfortunately can't release our code to the world. (yes, I
- know of the GNU model, but I believe that releasing source
- would merely make it easier for someone else to go into
- competition with us charging for the support, with us
- giving away the last year of our work to set them up in
- business. I'm not really convinced that this would be fair
- to us).
-
- Anyways, we're still happy to share our experience,
- information services model, documentation, etc. We are
- currently planning a paper on the architecture of archie
- 3.0 (once we get a quiet minute or two to look at it) so
- those wishing to do something similar can see what we did.
- We're also working on several RFCs on information
- templates, a quick and dirty guide to Internet tools, etc.
- Copies of this sort of material in available from the
- machine "archives.cc.mcgill.ca" in the directories under
- "pub".
-
-
-
- - peterd
-