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- From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
- Newsgroups: co.general
- Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boyc
- Message-ID: <1992Nov24.011144.21216@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: 24 Nov 92 01:11:44 GMT
- References: <1992Nov19.220918.15422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <Nov20.205212.38915@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
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- freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:
-
- >In article 15422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu, smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine) writes:
- >>freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:
- >>>Realize, Melinda, that "minority" groups including African-Americans and
- >>>American-Indians have been fighting for "their" rights (I quote their, because
- >>>I feel that PEOPLE deserve rights, not any group of people in particular) for
- >>>MANY years while the homosexual situation is fairly recent and has been
- >>>clouded by this AIDS mis-information. If you wish for us to look at the
- >>>civil-rights history, one could argue that homosexuals shouldn't expect
- >>>anything for 30 or so years.
- >>
- >>This sounds like "you have to wait X years before we deign to give you
- >>equal rights". Freedom and fairness are more important than popular
- >>myths and "jokes" against certain groups.
- >>
- >No, what I'm saying is that change takes a LONG time--Especially change in peoples
- >views (and religous beliefs). Some people view this as a Biblical issue and it
- >is these people especially with whome it is difficult to carry on intellectual
- >discussions as their ENTIRE support material comes from ONE book.
- >[...]
-
- I keep hearing you say it just takes waiting and you cut out my opinion
- that thinking shouldn't be some special event to wait for - that it should
- be the default.
-
- Leviticus says slavery is cool (of a different nation than yours)[*]
- and I'm sure the slaveholders used the quote as an argument against
- abolition. I'm sure arguing with these people was like conversing with
- medieval people from a time warp. No matter; you may as well argue your
- case with them. They do have brains. I think enough information about
- sexuality exists out there for people to say, look, the Bible was wrong
- about the sun revolving around the earth, slavery being acceptable, etc.,
- etc., and now it's time to admit that homosexuality is not cause to
- shun someone without regard to their actual character.
-
-
- >> "I am preoccupied with sending signals that I'm straight (chasing skirts,
- >> making anti-gay remarks, acting macho). Isn't it just as valid if a gay
- >> guy constantly sends signals that he's gay? ...
- >>
- >I don't particularly appreciate having gay men acting towards me the way you
- >describe and I don't imagine many women appreciate it from straight guys.
- >However, what you are suggesting is a 2 wrongs don't make a right situation.
- >If one person is an a$$hole, it doesn't make it right for another person to
- >be one.!
-
- I think everyone saw the points I was illustrating perfectly fine!
-
-
- [*] Lev 25:44-47
-
- --
- --Suzanne Morine smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
- --"Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort
- --of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." Helen Keller
- --
-