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- From: smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu (Suzanne Morine)
- Newsgroups: co.general
- Subject: Re: Support the boycott (was Re: Don't boyc
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.220918.15422@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 22:09:18 GMT
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- freedman@cs.colostate.edu (keith freedman) writes:
-
- >Realize, Melinda, that "minority" groups including African-Americans and
- >American-Indians have been fighting for "their" rights (I quote their, because
- >I feel that PEOPLE deserve rights, not any group of people in particular) for
- >MANY years while the homosexual situation is fairly recent and has been
- >clouded by this AIDS mis-information. If you wish for us to look at the
- >civil-rights history, one could argue that homosexuals shouldn't expect
- >anything for 30 or so years.
-
- This sounds like "you have to wait X years before we deign to give you
- equal rights". Freedom and fairness are more important than popular
- myths and "jokes" against certain groups.
-
- A few notes on history, too:
-
- The gay-rights movement has been around since the 60's. The movement's
- beginning is typically marked as the spontaneous uprising in NYC, in the
- summer of '69, at the Stonewall Inn, after police raided the place for
- no reason other than it being a gay gathering place.
-
- Atlanta has had equal rights for gays since 1971. The federal gay and
- lesbian civil rights bill has languished in congress for 18 years. Even
- AIDS has existed since at least '81, in my memory.
-
- And, anyway, weren't the Kinsey studies done in the late 40's and
- published in the 50's? Along with other sex studies since then? These
- alone should have put the myths and fables to bed. "You can tell a fag
- from his voice," etc.
-
- There's no need for people to be screaming for 30 years before others
- think. Thinking should be the given.
-
- And you make it sound as if black people only got their rights last
- week. Haven't the civil rights and anti-discrimination laws been
- around for 20+ years?
-
- >This issue especially could take quite some time as it is not just the fear
- >of people who are different, but it has to do with people's insecurity about
- >themselves and their sexuality. People who fear gays are obviously so
- >insecure about their own heterosexuality that they feel they might become
- >gay. This is probably why they don't view it as an "orientation". I don't
- >know what others think, I can only speculate. I can tell you that it is
- >disturbing (for me, anyways) when someone of the same sex tries to "pick
- >me up" in the grocery store (or anywhere). This sort of thing also makes
- >people upset, angry, and prejudice.
-
- I think many straight guys are worried that someone bigger and stronger
- than them might give them unwanted attention. The sort of thing that
- happens to women all the time. If these StraightGuys(tm) accept gay
- people as equal, questions arise:
-
- "Will it be ok for a gay guy to assume that I'm available to them for
- flirting the way I assume that women are for me?" (Or, "gosh, will I
- have to show some consideration and tact toward others in order to
- mentally be able to expect it from gay men... seeing as how they are
- really equal.")
-
- "I am preoccupied with sending signals that I'm straight (chasing skirts,
- making anti-gay remarks, acting macho). Isn't it just as valid if a gay
- guy constantly sends signals that he's gay? That is, being preoccupied
- with making anti-straight remarks, acting nellie, and chasing guys at work.
- (Or, "gee, all this posturing is ridiculous, I'll highlight something
- in my personality besides my straightness, or maybe I'll just stop being
- any sort of self-exaggeration.")
-
- "If a gay guy makes a pass at me, isn't that just as much as a complement
- as my making a pass at a woman? Though I don't want to drop my assumption
- that all women are out there for me (whether they say so or not), it really
- isn't fair to make such assumptions. Really, a guy making a pass at me
- doesn't make me gay. Therefore, my making a pass at a woman doesn't make
- her straight."
-
-
- --
- --Suzanne Morine smorine@nyx.cs.du.edu
- --"Toleration is the greatest gift of the mind; it requires the same effort
- --of the brain that it takes to balance oneself on a bicycle." Helen Keller
- --
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