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- From: bboerner@novell.com (Brendan B. Boerner)
- Newsgroups: austin.talk
- Subject: Re: If you dump Bush, dump Congress too, (at least.)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.143143.9210@novell.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 14:31:43 GMT
- References: <1992Nov2.171850.1514@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> <21816@rpp386.lonestar.org> <1992Nov17.002128.21788@awdprime.austin.ibm.com>
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- In article <1992Nov17.002128.21788@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
- >In article <21816@rpp386.lonestar.org> jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov2.171850.1514@awdprime.austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
- [...]
- >>>When in such a quandry, my default is to fall back on the most
- >>>decentralized of authority, the individual. If you wish to
- >>>decentralize authority over matters moral to the States, why
- >>>stop there? Why not to the individual whom is most affected?
- >>>(Unfortunately, it is difficult to ask the fetus, right?).
- >>
- >>The fact that there is no Constitutional authority for prohibiting
- >>abortion means that the power to regulate abortion falls to the
- >>states and if they choose not to legislate on the abortion question,
- >>the right falls to the people.
- >
- >By this logic, then, if the Federal Government can't restrict
- >Rights, the States can choose to do so? That is NOT
- >what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Certainly not just
- >any ol' time they choose to. And, if they did so, revolution
- >was a proper course of action.
- >
- >In this context, the abortion argument revolves around whether or not a woman
- >has the absolute right over her own body. The States may have
- >NO jurisdiction in this matter, IF you conclude that the right to
- >privacy is preeminant. I, of course, choose to believe this is
- >the case. The 10th Amendment strengthens the argument, IMHO.
- >
- >The only Constitutional argument surrounding abortion is the
- >question of murder. There is no other. Even Justice Scalia
- >believes this to be the case.
- >
- >
- >> Likewise, there is no Constitutional
- >>Amendment protecting the right to abortion, so the states are free
- >>to restrict abortion as they see fit.
- >
- >I repeat: just because a Right is not specified in the Constition
- >does not mean I do not have it, by birthright. This is where
- >we fundamentally disagree. For reference, I refer you to
- >Madison and Jefferson. Not to mention Lysander Spooner.
-
- Instead of just beating on the tenth, re: protecting fundamental rights
- not found in the Constitution, take a look at the ninth also. Throw in
- a dash of incorporation and stir. It might be useful to define either
- (Alan's or John's) position with respect to where does one stand WRT
- using the 9th to "invent" a right, does one view gov't as having power
- unless restricted or no power unless granted, and the individual having
- freedoms unless restricted or no freedoms unless granted.
-
- A similar discussion in alt.rush-limbaugh prompted me to buy Bork's
- "The Tempting of America" last week - read it an you'll see what I
- mean.
-
- Brendan
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