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- From: wagner@bodie.cs.unc.edu (Michael Wagner)
- Newsgroups: alt.supermodels
- Subject: Re: Sexual harassment on the net??
- Message-ID: <17740@borg.cs.unc.edu>
- Date: 19 Nov 92 15:54:42 GMT
- References: <NML.92Nov17203930@csa.bu.edu> <1992Nov18.125244.6306@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> <1992Nov19.000529.6864@netcom.com>
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- Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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- >>Lets say that I met Jennifer in the lobby of a building every morning as we
- >>went about our business. Lets say that I found her attractive and wanted to
- >>make my presence known, so every day I would walk up to her and say "good
- >>morning, how are you today", and every morning I would be ignored. Now,
- >>unknown to me the daily greeting is very annoying to Jennifer and after
- >>a period she comes to feel that I am harrasing her. Well then I guess by your
- >>definition it's true and I should be flogged in public.
-
- Does anyone besides me feel that an awful lot of this problem
- could be avoided by polite behaviour? Isn't an awful lot of
- this problem at least partly the result of addressing someone
- in a familiar manner when there is no reason to do so? Addressing
- someone in a familiar manner when I am not in fact familiar with
- them is *rude*. By "polite", I don't mean how you put
- your salad fork on your plate, or how to address thank-you notes
- after a wake. I mean a basic courtesy. If you say, "Good morning,
- how are you today?", to someone and he/she ignores you, then they
- are probably indicating a lack of interest in talking with you.
- I don't believe that anyone is compelled to talk with me.
-
- It's rude to speak to a woman I don't know in a public situation.
- If she indicates that she wants to speak with me, then I am of
- course free to do so. But walking up to a waman I don't know and
- speaking to her in the kind of situation seems *very* rude.
-
- In fact, I' I'm sure that in such a situation, the person wishing
- *not* to be so hailed each morning is sending a lot of signals to that
- effect, even prior to any verbal interchange. A lack of a response
- is certainly a powerful indication that the interchange is in fact
- annoying to Jennifer, so "unknown to me" is weak.
-
-
- The comment about the poor unfortunate soul who commented on a
- woman's dress shoould be passed through a Wagner Test (decribed
- in a previous article). Sometimes these kinds of comments are
- sexually harassing, sometimes they are not. I have certainly
- seen a situation where this kind of commnet has been used to
- put a woman "in her place" as some *thing* to be looked at rather
- than someone to be listened to. I also have women friends who
- like it when I notice that they're wearing a new dress, or a
- dress I think is real neat. But notice something, these women
- were friends of mine before I started sharing such observations.
- Walking up to woman I am not a friend of and commenting "nice
- dress" is just plain rude.
-
- Mike
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