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- From: greg@gallifrey.ucs.uoknor.edu (Greg Trotter)
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- Subject: Re: Religious Right (was Re: Rush Limbaugh: Victory from Defeat)
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- Date: 18 Nov 92 12:24:31 GMT
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- In article <92322.26926.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:
- >In <Bxtz1o.8DE@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu>, Greg Trotter writes:
- >
- >>In article <92321.34354.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM> J056600@LMSC5.IS.LM
- >>>In <1992Nov16.162924.1337@news.vanderbilt.edu>, John Rickert writes:
- >>>
- >>>> Oh, I get it now. It took me long enough. But I think I finally
- >>>>caught on. Religious = religious right. A public reference to religion
- >>>>is right-wing extremism. Now I see...
- >>>
- >>>Not quite. The difference comes when the distinction between religion as
- >>>a *personal decision* and religion as a *government mandate* isn't made.
- >>>I'm fairly religious, and I freely share my *personal* beliefs. One can be
- >>>a fundamentalist and not be part of the "religious Right." How? By accepting
- >>>that their religion, no matter how devoutly they practice it, is a *personal*
- >>>lifestyle choice involving them, their family, their church, and their God.
- >>>It is *not* an issue for the government. It is only those people who propose
- >>>PUBLIC POLICY based on religion-based morality who are in the wrong.
- >
- >>Let me make sure I hear you right. Are you saying that judges and legislators
- >>who make decisions that, in some manner, infringe on someone's religious
- >>rights are wrong?
- >
- >Last time I checked, we had a First Amendment which prohibits this, so they
- >would be wrong.
-
- Good call. Let's continue.
-
- >Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. But did you mean "are NOT wrong? The
- >above statement is diametrically opposed to your next sentence:
-
- No it's not. Read them again.
-
- >>Like court decisions to restrict prayer in public places?
- >
- >Of course not--not if the prayer is voluntary, anyway. What you are talking
- >about is *not* what I was talking about. I was talking about religious people
- >imposing their morality--NOT about non-religious people forcing their secular
- >views on others. Either way, it's just as wrong.
-
- What you said was:
-
- It is *not* an issue for the government. It is only
- those people who propose PUBLIC POLICY based on
- religion-based morality who are in the wrong.
-
- So, policy that is based (pro|con) on religion-based morality is wrong.
- Restricting prayer is religion-based morality.
-
- Would you care to qualify what you mean by "voluntary?" When is prayer not
- voluntary? When there's a gun to your head? A government mandate?
-
- - greg
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