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- From: psmith@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (Paul Smith)
- Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.171306.1666@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>
- Keywords: abortion, slavery
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:13:06 GMT
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- Well Dan, I've responded to a lot of these points in other posts. I hope
- you read them. Please, in the future, try not to assume how I feel or
- what my stance is on other issues is based on what a post. Don't try to
- infere what I've done about these issues. It only makes you look bad.
-
- In article <1992Nov17.162439.18162@nas.nasa.gov> dking@raul.nas.nasa.gov (Dan King) writes:
- >
- >Care to elaborate on how abortion is a societal problem. If anything
- >I would say the reverse. The forced continuation of un-wanted pregnancy
- >is a much larger societal problem. Many of these forced pregnancies you
- >wish to force women through will require a large amount of societal
- >help in being raised. Also by denying women reproductive freedom you
- >are denying them any chance at equality. This denies 50% of society
- >a fair shot which is a societal problem.
-
- Well, lets start with your premise: there are more unwanted pregnancies
- than abortions (which is the "larger problem"?). Give that ~1.5M abortions
- occur in the US alone each year (since RvW), and we don't know how many
- "unwanted pregnancies" are carried to term (an oxymoron) I don't think
- we have a basis for discussion here.
-
- Now, I don't wish to force anything on anyone, but we do have laws that
- say simple things like you can't (theoreticly) kill someone and get away
- with it. These laws are in place because we have to have them to live
- in an orderly/workable society. So some forcing of rules on poeple is
- inevitable.
-
- But I ramble...
-
- I am simply advocating that men and women should not have sex if they
- don't want a baby at that time, but if they do have sex then they should be
- prepared to, at the least, give that child up for adoption. That *WAS
- THE ORIGINAL QUESTION* - "adoption is a viable alternative to raising the
- child, so what is a viable alternative to pregnancy". That viable
- alternative is abstinence.
-
- And that is all I'm saying. I was not saying that abstinence is an
- alternative to abortion. I'm simply saying that abstinence is a
- resonable behavior to expect from two people to *prevent* a so-called
- "unwanted pregnancy".
-
- >Looks like we again end up with someone who has no clue about responsibility
- >trying to force their warped vision of responsible behavior on someone
- >else. You are the one that desires protecting fetus. To do this, you'd
- >rather use a method that requires no personal sacrifice of your own,
- >but would rather use government force to enslave women to care for this
- >fetus you treasure. Sure there are other effective and less restrictive
- >ways for you to protect the fetus, but that would require you to
- >actually give a little of yourself to accomplish. I'm really not very
- >impressed with your version of responsibility.
-
- See, here's where you start assuming things and start attacking me.
- I didn't call for government intervention, I didn't call for laws.
- I simply called (dared) society to call a spade a spade and acknowledge
- that killing an unborn child is wrong, and to do so to *protect* ourselves
- from government intervention.
-
- You also shouldn't assume what personal sacrifice I've made. I have plenty
- of clues about responsibilty. But, I'm not here to cry on the net and play
- guilt trips about how "I've done something why can't you." That type of
- argument doesn't persuade anyone, so I won't bite. I've given plenty.
- I will continue to do so. What will you do? Stand on the sidelines in
- self-righteousness? You seem like you might know what you will do to
- protect rights and freedoms, which I applaud, but what will *you* do to
- protect a child?
- -Paul
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