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- From: snodgras@lclark.edu (Bil Snodgrass)
- Subject: Re: Gays in the Military..what nobody is talking about:
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.155104.21377@lclark.edu>
- Organization: Lewis & Clark College, Portland OR
- References: <bill.722026438@castor> <1992Nov18.223342.11374@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> <1992Nov21.144901.17238@athena.cs.uga.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 15:51:04 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov21.144901.17238@athena.cs.uga.edu> tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov18.223342.11374@galileo.physics.arizona.edu> krueger@galileo.physics.arizona.edu (Ted Krueger) writes:
- >
- >>Now we get to the real reason why gays want to be in the military. They
- >>want to take showers with men so they can see a bunch of naked men's
- >>bodies. Get a clue! The reason why men do not shower with women is
- >>because the women feel self conscious. This is also why gays should
- >>not shower with straights. The straights will feel self conscious. But
- >>oh! I forgot! Straights are not a minority, so their feelings are not
- >>taken into account.
- >>
- >>Ted
-
- We already shower with naked heterosexual men, in high school, gyms, and
- the military...... Get real!
-
- It is easy for me to draw the line sexually as a Gay man, to know when
- someone says he is het. to respect that line.....It seems like the hets.
- though are worried about their gray area on the topic manner....
-
- >
- >I do think Ted has something here...something the top media folks have not
- >discussed to my knowledge, and especially I do not see any headlines in
- >papers over the issue.
-
-
- Is is a real issue? This already is happening. We also go to the same
- bathroom as het. men.....surprised? If a heterosexual is hit upon
- sexually by a homosexual then perhaps the hete. male could charge
- sexual harrasement on the Gay man?
-
- >
- > *Sexual Attraction: Men do not shower with women in the military
- >because of various reasons, one of them being because of sexual attraction.
-
- The reason is because hete. men have a hard time controlling themselves, look
- at all the rapes they are involved with when it comes to women....Oh
- you are a Rush fan, I forgot, rape is a myth brought on by the feminazies!!!
-
- >Analogously, why would one want to allow for Men who are sexually attracted
- >to Men shower together?
-
- WE are already there.
-
- The common response to this question is, "Give me a
- >break, sex is not the complete focus of gay men, and they have much sense
- >than to stare at other men sexually in the showers."
-
- Sexual harassement I tell you. The guy being stared at can claim
- sexual harassment on the job.
-
-
- > Pat Schroeder responded this way on a national news show, but why
- >did no one ask her, "Well Pat, how would you feel if 20 men took a shower
- >next to you?" From a straigt perspective, this is quite analogous.
-
- This is so stupid. I mean women are taught that way. Look at the difference
- between most women's public showers and men's public showers. The women
- many a times have doors or curtins. Men...we have open spaces for miles.
- We are taught not to be uncomfortable in the showers with other men.
-
- The
- >straigt man feels a bit conscious about being looked upon in a sexual manner
- >by another man.
-
- Get use to it. It is alright for your leader, Rush baby, to make
- comments about women in a sexual manner, but not men on men. One
- of my favorite things is to be behind a cute guy on the street who
- turns me on and have him turned on by a woman in front of him who he
- is staring at......it is so ironic, this double standard!!!
-
- Now, another anology...how would you straight men feel if
- >you took an open shower along with 20 young women?
-
- Again this is a social thing......instilled on all of us in our
- societies attempt at double standards for men and women.
-
- From the gay
- >perspective, it must be an apporpriate analogy. When we begin to look at it
- >from this perspective, can we not see the difficulties that come to bear?
- >
-
- Well I go to plenty Gay bathrooms and have nothing sexual turning me on!
- I go to gay showers and behave myself (gyms not baths). Hey a shower is
- a shower unless it is with my lover. Gay men do not like men just because
- they have a dick. Straight men think that is all it takes for us
- to turn on. Well it isn't...
-
-
- When I lived in Europe I would quiet often be in places where men and
- women shared bathrooms...no problem. I know of dorms on college campuses
- where women and men share bathrooms...I think some of you guys out
- there are really worried you would like to be played with in the
- shower. Well don't worry I am not volunteering!!
-
- >====================================
- >Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu)
- >University of Georgia
- >UCNS/Institute of Higher Ed.
- >
- >
-
-
- Bil Snodgrass III
-