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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: rights and responsibilities
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- Why do you keep directing followups to alt.rush-limbaugh? Either direct them
- to talk.abortion, which is where abortion discussion is supposed to go, or
- don't add a followup line at all. (Note that lots of people who read
- alt.rush-limbaugh don't want to see the abortion discussion.)
-
- In <1ek8ffINNagj@agate.berkeley.edu> don@ocf.berkeley.edu (Don Bromley) writes:
- >[text deleted]
- >
- >>> This is classic liberal intellectual dishonesty. What fraction of
- >>> women who get abortions are married? Maybe 1%??
- >>
- >>This is classic ignorant stupidity. More like 20 - 30%, depending on
- >>what year you look at. And of what relevance is that, anyway? Saying
- >>that people who don't want to have [any more] children should refrain from
- >>sex *is* including *all* the married couples who don't want [more] kids.
- >
- > Oh REALLY? I notice you didn't cite any sources.
-
- I don't have the latest figures handy, but perhaps this will help.
-
- #Try _The World Almanac_; there's a nice chart there. I won't type in
- #the whole thing (wouldn't fit), but the figures for 1972, 1976, 1980,
- #and 1985 in the 1990 World Almanac (page 846; they also have figures
- #for 1981, 1982, 1983, & 1984) are:
- #
- # 1972 1976 1980 1985
- #Reported # of legal abortions 586,760 988,267 1,297,606 1,328,570
- #Ratio per 1000 live births 180.1 312.0 359.2 353.8
- #Rate per 1000 women aged 13 21 25 24
- # 15-44 years
- # Percentage distribution (excludes unknowns)
- # Age (years)
- #19 and under 32.6 32.1 29.2 26.3
- #20-24 32.5 33.3 35.3 34.7
- #25 and over 34.9 34.6 35.3 39.0
- # Race
- #White 77.0 66.6 69.6 66.6
- #Black and other 23.0 33.4 30.1 33.4
- # Marital status
- #Married 29.7 24.6 23.1 19.3
- #Unmarried 70.3 75.4 76.9 80.7
-
- > And even if 20%
- > were the actual figure, it is certainly the minority of cases, and
- > should be referred to as the exception, not the rule.
-
- As I said, majority or minority is of no relevance anyway.
-
- > Did I say that people who don't want kids shouldn't have sex?
-
- No, you jumped into the middle of a thread to show your ignorance.
- It was eg1o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Elizabeth Cornelia Green) who suggested
- that, and who was being addressed.
-
- > There IS a thing called birth control,
-
- Is this supposed to be news?
-
- > and an unexpected pregnancy doesn't necessitate abortion.
-
- Of course it doesn't *necessitate* it; did anyone claim that it did?
-
- > I would say that people who CAN'T have pregnancies for one reason
- > or another shouldn't have sex, yes...
-
- You're entitled to your opinion. Of course, the people who you'd
- deny a sex life might not agree with it...
-
- > Please do tell me where you got that 20-30% figure, because that
- > figure seems ridiculous.
-
- Why does it seem ridiculous? Do you think people only have sex for
- procreation after they're married?
- --
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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