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- From: bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer)
- Newsgroups: alt.recovery
- Subject: Violence at AA meetings
- Message-ID: <1244.779.uupcb@factory.com>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 05:00:00 GMT
- Reply-To: bruce.baer@factory.com (Bruce Baer)
- Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis
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- JM>I have been to several AA meetings recently that have been disrupted by a ve
- JM>violent drunk. He goads and threatens people until he gets thrown out. That
- JM>if there is anybody who feels like they want to throw him out. He has hit
- JM>people in the meetings and threatens to kill people. Attendances at meetings
- JM>seem to be dropping off. Perhaps newcomers are being frightened away, possib
- JM>for good. Our traditions state that our common welfare should come first. I
- JM>personally frightened of this man, yet at the same time I like him and hope
- JM>that he recovers. Does anybody have any experience of dealing with violence
- JM>meetings that they would care to share? What can we do to protect ourselves
- JM>that is consistent with the twelve traditions?
-
- Jeremy,
- I do not know if the following method is consistant with
- traditions. It does serve 2 purposes:
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- It brings the meeting back to order.
- It gets the indavidual help.
-
- The prefered "method" of choice (at least here in N.Y., N.Y.) is to
- quickly have a few of the larger male members escourt the indavidual
- outside where they unceramniously kick the living shit out the person
- and then call an ambulance.
-
- Here in N.Y most of these people are taken to a City (non-private)
- hospitals. All these hospitals have detox and re-hab facilities, or
- transfer policies to hospitals that do. The triage nurses here in N.Y.
- are pretty familliar with this scenario. They give em some quick
- patches in the E.R. then send them to Psych, after about 24-72 hours
- they are refered to Detox.
-
- If your into institutional 12 stepping you may get to 12 step the
- person you put in the hospital. The hard part is knowing just how much
- ass kicking the person can take. You wanna bang em up just enough to
- be admitted, but no so much that he wont ever recover.
-
- I suggest the following:
-
- Break the nose, blacken an eye and add a few facial cuts and abrasians.
- Give em a few body shots that are sure to bruse. None of this damage
- is perminent but since the alcohol content is so high and there is
- obvious head trauma they will patch him up and admit for observation.
- He will go the whole route.
- BAB
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