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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Singularity (Gordon's idea)
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 15:33:21 GMT
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- In article <Bxr8np.1M0@quake.sylmar.ca.us> brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
- >In article <Bxo2E5.9sw@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:
- >>In article <1992Nov13.165429.15722@ils.nwu.edu> hooker@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu ( BOB HOOKER) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Nov7.153226.2722@panix.com>, gcf@panix.com (Gordon Fitch)
- >
- >> I complained that, while this may be, the problem with
- >> "fictional truths" is that there's no useful way to talk
- >> about them, anaylze them, or assess them. The truth in
- >> a work of art is purely subjective precisely because art
- >> lacks the intellectual discipline that makes science work.
- >
- >I suppose that depends on the quality of the art. Part of the value
- >of good art is that it can express an idea with more impact and
- >precision than a scientific statement. For example, a painting of
- >a mother hugging a child can convey something more than a scientific
- >statement that "There is a bonding between mothers and their children.".
-
- But only subjectively. What it conveys depends on who is
- interpreting it.
-
-
- >> It provides no means to step outside of our own personal
- >> experience of it. Art offers no means to reach closure.
- >
- >How so? Can you demonstrate that there is no means of objectively evaluating
- >the meaning and effectiveness of art?
-
- But then you wouldn't be evaluating the art, you would be evaluating
- people's responses to it. So you're still stuck with the subjective
- problem. The impact that aboriginal cave art has on you will
- likely be quite different than what it had on the original artist
- or his people. Ditto the impact of the Mona Lisa on a Balinese.
-
- But a smallpox vaccination would render all of these people immune
- to smallpox -- nothing subjective about it.
-
-
- ---peter
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