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- From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
- Subject: Re: raising children
- Message-ID: <1992Nov24.025531.9658@tcsi.com>
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- References: <1992Nov18.152152.14225@spdcc.com> <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> <1992Nov19.134059.16342@umr.edu>
- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 02:55:31 GMT
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- In article <1992Nov19.134059.16342@umr.edu> davem@reagan.cs.umr.edu (Dave Mentis) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.000618.19319@radian.uucp> markbr%radian@natinst.com (markbr) writes:
- >>I want there to be a *requirement* for a marriage license that you have
- >>taken an approved course (like the defensive driving courses) on parenting,
- >>and one on relationships.
- >
- >A nice thought, granted ...
- >Some people say I'm cynical , but I doubt it. ;-) x 0.5
- >I suspect these tests will soon be brought to a neighborhood
- >near you by the same fine people who gave us voter qualification
- >tests in the past (that a US Supreme Court Justice couldn't pass
- >if (s)he weren't of the right race).
-
- Maybe you don't even have to draw a parallel to voter qualification,
- because (de facto) race-based "parent-disqualification" is a reality
- of government already.
-
- I saw "Malcom X" this weekend. A scene in it has a social worker
- disqualifying Mrs. Little from the job of motherhood. This happens
- even more often now, I'm sure.
-
- I think the idea of qualifying people for marriage and childbearing
- is the product of the individualization and atomization of our culture.
-
- Nuclear families have fewer "components" to rely on, so "failures" are
- more catastrophic. The notion of doing "quality control" on the
- components then becomes attractive, but only from a control
- perspective. Arguably, however, it was this very control perspective
- that caused the nuclear family in the first place. Government, union
- and corporate labor policies promoted the idea of the single male
- breadwinner as a form of protection against the impoverishment of women
- and children, and got higher labor mobility as a temporarily useful
- side-effect. Unfortunately, the long-term effect of this mobility was
- the fragmentation of extended families and communities, which in turn
- has had a corrosive effect on the nuclear family.
-
- The pendulum seems to be swinging back. It's only recently that
- grandparents have been able to get AFDC benefits for taking care
- of grandchildren. To me, moralizing about how this might encourage
- teen mothers and delinquent fathers is pointless. Who says that it's
- necessarily a dysfunctional family pattern to have children when
- you're a teenager and turn a lot of the childrearing over to your
- grandparents? You will likely be a grandparent yourself one day, so
- it's not like the responsibility won't come around to you again.
- In fact, you might be bearing children at what is physically the
- ideal time (when you're young and resilient) and then raising
- children at the ideal time (when you are more mature, and have a
- stable income.)
- ---
- Michael Turner
- miket@tcs.com
-