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- Subject: Re: Intro to me and question for all
- Message-ID: <1992Nov21.030310.12296@latcs1.lat.oz.au>
- From: woodhous@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Joe P Woodhouse)
- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 03:03:10 GMT
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- mbr2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- >I've
- >never felt the desire to be in a romantic or sexual relationship with
- >more than one person at any one time, so in one sense I feel the
- >question of whether or not I'm polyamorous is the same question as
- >whether or not this ever happens to me.
-
- I said to someone recently that I felt that being Poly didn't mean
- "having more than one partner" (of whatever variety), or even actively
- *wanting* more than one... Poly to me simply means the *acceptance* of
- the idea. Of not saying "no matter what the conditions or circumstances,
- I & my partner *can not* become involved with anyone else except at the
- cost of the present relationship". If that sentence doesn't sit well
- with you, why then you fit my brand of polyamory. Not that I claim to
- have an exclusive handle on it anyway.
-
-
- > My distinction between romantic-partner and friend is rather
- >shaky, and frankly I'd rather do without the romantic-partner script and
- >schema altogether, but that's very difficult in an environment where the
- >implied prefix of "friends" is "just-".
-
- I have observed that many (perhaps even most) people treat their
- partners in ways they would be ashamed to treat their friends. I even
- once glibly remarked that to me, "committment" referred to treating
- one's partners as *friends* as well as partners (ie. treating them
- with dignity, kindness, gentleness & care).
-
-
- > In fact I would suggest, from reading this group, that the
- >biggest distinction between flavors of polyamory for people is whether
- >they build it from their friendship-schema or from their romance-schema.
-
- Another important dichotomy seems to be the notion of closure.
- "Polyfidelity" (and to a similar but lesser extent, polyamory that
- includes "veto") seem to still contain the concept of *rule*-based
- limitation of one's partners' other involvements.
-
- Now possibly I'm misreading the above brands of Poly, but the
- "closure" aspect is precisely what I react to in monogamy, and I can't
- help but feel that (for example) polyfidelity is simply monogamy with
- more than one person - if that makes sense.
-
- One more distinction between brands of Poly seems to be the model
- used to view one's partners. Some establish a hierarchy of importance
- or significance, and others seem to prefer to completely do away with
- the idea of competing involvement.
-
- (I explained this recently - I'm not saying that at any given
- moment I always feel *exactly* (or even equivalently) about my various
- loves. It may happen that someone may feel more significant to me. What
- I'm talking about is an actively asserted *constraint* that one
- partner *will be* (rather than "happens to be") more important than
- another).
-
-
- >Poly for Joe appears to exemplify the former, and poly for Elf appears
- >to exemplify the latter. Joe and Elf - please check me here!
-
- Not a flame - speaking for myself I would say that you've probably
- not misrepresented me, except possibly for your phrasing which may
- suggest somehow that Poly that grows out of "friend" notions is at
- variance with Poly from "romance".
-
- ie. while indeed my notions of loved ones and how Poly relates to
- them has grown out of ideas about friends, "romance" is not absent
- from the evolution of my ideas. Indeed, "romance" might be the one
- factor I can identify that varies between "friends" and "lovers" -
- given that I may feel lovingly & sexually towards both groups.
-
- (See? I told you I'd do a long response after my exams... 8-P)
-
- Joe.
-
- / Joe Woodhouse / I'm just a sweet bisexual... / Hello, there.
- / Latrobe University / (think - Rocky Horror) / Threesomes are fun.
- / Melbourne, Australia / Music. Magic. Mathematics. Me. / I like cats! (miaow!)
-