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- From: telleri@access.digex.com (telleri)
- Subject: Re: Poly breakups?
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- References: <MUFFY.92Nov12164256@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 06:28:21 GMT
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- Telleri here, delurking for the first time.
-
- In article <MUFFY.92Nov12164256@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >
- >Well, I'd love to see some more specifically poly-relevant stuff on
- >here, so I decided to try to provoke some non-cross-posted discussion.
-
- This sounds like a great newsgroup for just that. :-)
-
- I've recently started to get involved with someone who's already in a
- primary relationship with a veto agreement. This is a new
- experience for me, though I've had an understanding and acceptance
- of the concept of this type of relationship, and at one time, a
- primary partner who had other secondary relationships.
-
- I'm thinking through my motivations for pursuing this relationship and
- asking "what if" it should come to an end, particularly in the case of
- a veto. So here's my perspective on some of Muffy's points (thanks
- Muffy!) which apply to my circumstances, along with some speculation
- on some of the others.
-
- >What happens when part of a poly relationship breaks up? I've seen or
- >thought of some examples:
-
- > A secondary relationship breaks up. The non-involved member of the
- > primary relationship has to deal with the effect on the involved
- > member. It seems a little rough on the non-involved member, even
- > though they presumably want to provide emotional support to their
- > partner when they are needed. Of course, the non-primary person is
- > without this sort of support at all.
-
- Only if the non-primary person hasn't developed a primary relationship
- elsewhere. The way I see it, a person who's non-primary shouldn't
- expect that relationship to always fill all their emotional needs -
- just in case of the above situation, or a veto from the primary
- partner.
-
- > Both members of a primary relationship get secondarily involved with a
- > third person. One member wants to split with the third person, the
- > other doesn't. This is difficult to manage, since anyone your SO is
- > involved with is at least a little involved with you.
-
- This model probably doesn't apply very well to het relationships,
- although it's possible that the same-sex partners may have their
- friendship or other relationship somewhat strained by the breakup,
- depending on circumstances, who initiated the break, and the attitude
- of the secondary person.
-
- > A poly person is involved in a non-primary relationship with someone
- > who gets involved in another non-primary relationship. The first
- > person doesn't like the third person (but there is no "veto"
- > agreement) and ends the first relationship. Is it necessary to like
- > all the people involved? If so, how much?
-
- No one is under particular obligation to like someone, though if I saw
- that my partner was under a particularly bad influence of another, I
- probably wouldn't want to stick around and watch what came next if I
- found I had no influence over the situation.
-
- > A poly person is in a primary relationship with a "veto." They get
- > involved with another person, who their SO seems to accept. After
- > they get very close, the veto is invoked, and the second relationship
- > is ended. Is this "fair"? It's certainly hard on the people who
- > thought it was okay. What if there were problems all along? Is there
- > a limit (time or emotional) past which a veto either cannot be used or
- > is much more negotiable?
-
- I don't think there's such a thing as a negotiable veto; either you've
- got one or you don't. There also isn't a particular requirement that
- any invocation of a veto be fair, or nice, or expected, for all the
- parties; it's there to rectify or end situations that aren't fair or
- acceptable to the one holding the veto power. And the secondary
- person is probably the last one to agree with such an action.
-
- As I see it (sie says, mentally preparing for what may lie ahead) the
- secondary can be in a particularly challenging position; if such a
- relationship is to work, it must continue to be a good thing for the
- partner in the primary relationship, as it certainly won't be allowed
- to drag on when it becomes a bad thing (as relationships not subject
- to a veto sometimes do). Honesty and open communications become
- essential. E-mail helps. :-)
-
- And for the secondary person, it can also be a good thing,
- particularly if they are in a stage of their life where they don't
- wish to pursue a primary relationship and all its responsibilities,
- but still need someone special to grow with.
-
- I'll be watching this group for other views on this...
-
- -t
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