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- From: pentangl@spdcc.com (Scott Moir)
- Subject: Re: Poly breakups?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.134957.12364@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <MUFFY.92Nov12164256@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 13:49:57 GMT
- Lines: 114
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- In article <MUFFY.92Nov12164256@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >
- >What happens when part of a poly relationship breaks up? I've seen or
- >thought of some examples:
- >
- > A secondary relationship breaks up. The non-involved member of the
- > primary relationship has to deal with the effect on the involved
- > member. It seems a little rough on the non-involved member, even
- > though they presumably want to provide emotional support to their
- > partner when they are needed. Of course, the non-primary person is
- > without this sort of support at all.
-
- Not rough at all, I would think. If my mate were to break up with one of
- her close loves, I would -of course- be there for her. She wouldn't be
- on her own because it was 'her' relationship. It wouldn't matter WHY she
- was hurt, I would want to help her anyway.
-
- > Both members of a primary relationship get secondarily involved with a
- > third person. One member wants to split with the third person, the
- > other doesn't. This is difficult to manage, since anyone your SO is
- > involved with is at least a little involved with you.
-
- The answer to this one really depends on the 'veto' section of the
- relationship agreement. If there is veto power, then you just have to
- deal with it. If there is no veto power, there should be nothing wrong
- with member 'b' staying involved with the outside person on thier own
- time.
-
- > A poly person is involved in a non-primary relationship with someone
- > who gets involved in another non-primary relationship. The first
- > person doesn't like the third person (but there is no "veto"
- > agreement) and ends the first relationship. Is it necessary to like
- > all the people involved? If so, how much?
-
- It would be rediculousx to assume that there is some requirement to like
- someone. One of the things I value most in the poly relationship that I am
- in is my freedom. I can say how I feel about whomever I like, I can express
- my feelings of like and dislike with nobody to really answer to but myself.
- If there is no veto power in the relationship there is even more freedom.
- (My relationship has a veto clause.. never used, but there. Kind of a safety
- valve.)
-
- > A poly person is in a primary relationship with a "veto." They get
- > involved with another person, who their SO seems to accept. After
- > they get very close, the veto is invoked, and the second relationship
- > is ended. Is this "fair"? It's certainly hard on the people who
- > thought it was okay. What if there were problems all along? Is there
- > a limit (time or emotional) past which a veto either cannot be used or
- > is much more negotiable?
-
- I would question my primary VERY closely about the other person during the
- build up leading towards involvement with this other person, so I would hope
- to head off any nasty surprises. If there were suddenly a problem, I would
- not just say 'okay' and be done with it. I would want to know -why- there
- was a problem. Who knows? This third person might have done something to
- offend, or worse injure, my primary.
-
- This leaves me with a few courses of action. I can act in defense of my
- primary and confront this other person with the situation. (In a 'Hey, we
- need to talk' kind if format.) Or I can act in defense of the third person
- if I feel that my primary has misinterpreted the intentions of this other
- person.
-
- Because there -is- a primary in my relationship, that leaves me with something
- else to consider, and that is the strength of relationship #2. Since there is
- veto power, I would need to decide which relationship was more important to me.
- Rough, but I would have to do it.
-
- The veto power, once there, should -never- expire. There can be any number of
- reasons for invoking it, and you might not have all the information once you
- find it is being used. Which leads to my next point....
-
- In any of these relationships, communication should be a trait you do so well
- that you should be able to put it on your resume. Each new person added to
- the relationship creates an exponential increase in the number of lines of
- communications which can be potentially messed up. Consider this..
-
- A <--------> B
- | \ / | There are -=Twelve=- lines of communication
- | \ / | here. This is for a four way, or for a couple
- | \ / | with two outside partners. Yes, most of my lovers
- | \/ | have met my other lovers. In a four way, this is
- | /\ | also the number of 'love lines' that must be there
- | / \ | for the relationship to work. Not a simple thing
- | / \ | to deal with by any means.
- | / \ |
- C <--------> D
-
- > A primary relationship breaks up, but one of the members has a
- > secondary relationship. How does this secondary relationship change
- > with the loss of the primary? Is it likely to become a primary, or
- > will the person find some other primary and keep the secondary as is
- > (I know either is possible, but what have people seen happen?)
-
- I would think that the disconnected primary person would fall back on the
- secondary a little more strongly. It may or may not develop in to something
- stromger, but I think it would be likely, given the circumstances. Rebound,
- however, still exists, and should be watched out for.
-
- >I'm basically interested in information or speculation on how breakups
- >happen and affect people outside of serial-monogamy arrangements.
-
- Nice question. I will look forward to seening the other responses to this
- posting.
-
- >Muffy
-
- Scott
-
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