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- From: fofp@castle.ed.ac.uk (M Holmes)
- Newsgroups: alt.peeves
- Subject: Re: Get Rich Quickly - Buy A Tulip.
- Message-ID: <28232@castle.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 20:26:42 GMT
- References: <28191@castle.ed.ac.uk> <28203@castle.ed.ac.uk> <1992Nov16.160028.6904@merlin.comlab.ox.ac.uk>
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- library@comlab.ox.ac.uk (Gordon Riddell) writes:
-
- >I realise you'll know this Mike (having ploughed through lengthy posts
- >on mortgages during the summer, some of which were from you) but
-
- Me? Surely not. :-)
-
- >watch out or he might just accept your offer. In Scotland that's it.
-
- Yeah. I guess that was actually an advantage during the boom. Helps cut
- down on gazumping. Unfortunately, as you point out, gazundering is
- prevented too.
-
- Times have changed though, a pal of mine was gazumped when he tried to
- *rent* a place. Someone bid more rent about half an hour before he was
- due to move in. So when he arrived to collect the keys, he found out he
- was homeless.
-
- >Here in England's green and pleasant housing market you're best to wait
- >until change of contract day, withdrawn your too generous offer, tell
- >them you are a completely callous bastard, and offer them 5k less.
- >We don't shilly-shally around with this "an offer is final" crap.
-
- I was idly wondering something. I remember way back in the heady summer
- of '88, I saw a news story about a guy who bought an option on a tiny
- flat in Leeds on a Friday and resold the *option* on the Monday for a
- ten grand profit. That being close to the end of Lawson's
- multiple-relief holiday, I heard a little bell ring. Close enough as
- things turned out.
-
- What though, will ring the gong at the bottom of the market? I was
- trying to list the possibilities:
-
- * When I can buy a house for less than it costs to buy a round?
-
- * When the last house is reposesssed and we all live on the Thames Embankment?
-
- * When the Building Societies plead for *negative* interest rates?
-
- * When you get a free house every time you buy a carpet?
-
- * When there aren't any trees left to make "For Sale" signs?
-
- It's kinda neat in a way. While I was looking into the subject, I read a
- bit about previous booms and busts. The most interesting of these has to
- be the Dutch "Tulipomania" boom.
-
- Tulips had just caught on amongst the european nobility and this ushered
- in a fad for ordinary folks having them in their garden. Holland was
- just the sort of place to grow 'em in bulk and so they had tulip bulbs
- shipped over from the mid-east (yeah, I thought they were native too).
-
- Anyway, it got so that yer ordinary common or garden tulip wouldn't do
- and lots of folks were trying to make hybrids by some fancy gardening
- tricks. They usually had to wait a while to see if the trick panned out
- and if they hit lucky, they could get more bulbs of the same sort.
- (Don't ask me, I ain't a gardener).
-
- These rarer types got to be kinda valuable and eventually there were
- tulip bulb traders in every market. Then there were tulip bulb *futures*
- traders where you could bet, or hedge, on the results of the latest
- horticultural experiment.
-
- The prices of various sorts of bulbs, and who was trying to grow what
- and how much they had made were the talk of diner parties everywhere.
- Tulip bulbs were rapidly increasing in value and it was obvious to
- everyone that they could only continue to rise in value. Buying a tulip
- bulb and selling it later at a profit was a quicker way to earn money
- than just working, and many market traders and businessmen ran a tulip
- bulb brokerage on the side.
-
- Of course, if you're going to speculate, then you make more money doing
- it on margin (leverage to the Yoosans) and folks began to mortgage their
- properties to finance speculation in tulip futures. Eventually, a whole
- ten acre estate was apparently traded for one bulb.
-
- There were victims too. On the arrival of a shipment of bulbs, one
- trader sent a sailor to collect his "shipment". the sailor was paid with
- a fish from the trader's stand. Unfortunately, the sailor's tastes ran
- to garnish and there was a funny looking onion just lying around....
-
- The sailor got six months.
-
- Eventually of course, came the reckoning. Despite all appearances to the
- contrary, supporting arguments, and the very human ability to convince
- ourselves of something we'd dearly like to be so, the market faltered.
- Tulip bulbs were no longer going up in price. Those with an interest
- began to talk of "healthy breathing spaces" and "a pause before prices
- rise ever higher" while quietly attempting to liquidate their positions.
-
- Tulip prices, of course, fell.
-
- Very rapidly.
-
- Unfortunately there were contracts to be considered. People had taken
- out contracts to buy, at a future date, tulip bulbs for say 10,000
- Guilders (?). They knew that said bulbs were now worth 1000 Guilders if
- they were lucky enough to find a buyer. That way leading to bankruptcy,
- they tried to renege. Meanwhile the bloke who had a contract to sell his
- bulbs at 10,000 Guilders a throw had recently paid 8,000 Guilders for
- 'em. He certainly wasn't going to sell 'em at the marjet rate of 1000
- Guilders and falling. For the seller too bankruptcy beckoned. The
- government of course had been taking a slice in taxes from this boom and
- were not keen on the loss of revenue. They determined to enforce
- outstanding contracts. The upshot was that those left holding the
- contracts went to jail.
-
- This did not of course, improve the market. Fashion abroad had also
- definitely begun to pass the humble tulip bulb by.
-
- It took the Dutch economy 50 years to recover from its encounter with
- the Twilight Zone and they lost a slice of empire in the meantime.
-
-
-
- So, to answer my own question, maybe the bottom of the market will be
- rung when a house is again exchanged for a tulip bulb.....
-
-
-
- Peeve: There's nothing that goes up in price forever.
-
- BonusPeeve: There are far too many people still willing to believe that
- there is.
-
- ExtraPeeve: Someone from Holland will read this and correct my faulty
- memory. It's a while since I read "Popular Delusions, and the Madness of
- Crowds" - a quite amazing victorian book outlining various such
- speculative booms.
-
- FoFP
-
- "People are now making more money from owning a house than they are from
- working. Some of them will soon be able to retire on the proceeds.
- Society will split into those who are rich by dint of having a property
- and those who could not afford to get onto the housing ladder."
-
- -- A Housing Boom Cheerleader in 1987
-
- --
-
- We wonder why other folks regard computing people as weird while we
- persistently refer to small, square objects as "discs".
-