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- Organization: Penn State University
- Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1992 22:45:50 EST
- From: John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Message-ID: <92327.224550J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan,alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Paganism & Atheism
- References: <1ecr1vINN664@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <+4x1r4+@rpi.edu>
- <92323.092330J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> <1992Nov21.052548.28549@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- [Sorry about the double post in alt.atheism; I meant to cross-post this
- followup the first time.]
-
- In article <1992Nov21.052548.28549@midway.uchicago.edu>, hau4@ellis.uchicago.edu
- (sven hauptfeld) says:
- >
- >In article <92323.092330J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu>
- >writes:
- >>
- >>I consider myself an atheistic pagan, so I beg to differ here.
- >>As far as I am concerned, gods and goddesses are metaphorical
- >>personifications of aspects of nature. What follows is a repost
- >>detailing my position.
- >>----------------------------------------------
- >>Anyone else out there in paganland consider themselves a "metaphorical
- >>pagan?" I don't believe in supernatural deities, but I'm in love with
- >>nature and mythology. I've been "worshipping" nature gods through
- >>rituals for some 20 years now--not because I believe in the magickal
- >>efficacy of the rituals, but rather for the feeling of connectedness
- >>to nature and to human prehistory.
- >>----------------
- >>John A. Johnson (j5j@psuvm.psu.edu)
- >
- >You do not worship. You "worship".
- >
- >Therefore, you are not a pagan. You are a "pagan".
-
- Precisely!!! Because I am a metaphorical pagan, I am a "pagan."
- But by the duck principle, it would be quite difficult to distinguish
- me from someone who is a pagan-without-quotation-marks. Furthermore,
- Margot Adler describes my brand of paganism as perfectly valid form of
- the same.
-
- >
- >I think the Bible is a very interesting and inspiring book. That doesn't make
- >me Xian. I think Greek myths are very good ethical reading. Doesn't make me
- >worship Greek gods. I look forward to reading Qur'an when I find time. Won't
- >convert me to Islam. I am fascinated by Lao-Tzu's writings. I'm not a Taoist.
- >I think we can learn a lot from Zen Buddhism. But why accept it religiously?
- >
- >There is a difference between (respecting, studying, enjoying) and
- >worshipping.
-
- Sven, are you always this grouchy, or are you having a bad day?
-
- My word processor's thesaurus brings up the following nine terms for worship:
- honor, respect, revere, venerate, adore, adulate, deify, glorify, and idolize.
- The first five describe quite well the way I worship nature.
-
- -----------------------------------
- John A. Johnson (J5J@psuvm.psu.edu)
- Atheistic, metaphorical, Taoist-pagan.
- Penn State is not responsible for my behavior.
- "A ruthless, doctrinaire avoidance of degeneracy is a degeneracy of
- another sort. Getting drunk and picking up bar-ladies and writing
- metaphysics is a part of life." - from _Lila_ by R. Pirsig
-