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- From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
- Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
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- Organization: University of California, Irvine
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- Date: 21 Nov 92 01:32:49 GMT
- References: <1992Nov19.150243.26769@news.ysu.edu> <2B0C3B2A.5664@news.service.uci.edu> <lgqpn5INNl96@news.bbn.com>
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- In article <lgqpn5INNl96@news.bbn.com> dhardin@bbn.com (Dawn Hardin) writes:
- >cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese) writes:
- >
- >> Because women have been so shit on for so long and done nothing about
- >> it through swallowing all the drek about our victimized powerlessness
- >> that it is necessary to weigh down a little harder on our side.
- >
- >Yep, yep, yep. I've been shit on and I plan on SHITTING back. Pass the
- >prune juice when you're done with it, Janis, it seems to have done wonders
- >for you.
-
- Excuse me, but where the fuck did I say anything about shitting back?
- ALL I said was that we're going to hard to work harder to get the idea
- across that women are creatures of value. You can't just tell people,
- "Okay, dears, now we're going to treat women like valuable people," and
- expect them to do it. You need role models, and we're going to need a
- lot of them.
-
- >I don't know, maybe this post won't seem so obnoxious if I re-read it
- >later. But I've read it twice now and it certainly seems like the least
- >lucid diatribe you've gone on in a while. I don't really see what point
- >you're trying to make except that you'd like to be on top for a while.
-
- I do not "want to be on top." You are completely misreading what I am
- saying. All I am saying is that we need to beat people over the heads
- with the concept that women are valuable and important human beings for
- a while before it sinks in. If we don't actively dismantle the current
- paradigm, anything we work to supplant it with is not going to work.
- You can't just say, "Now, let's all play nice," and expect anything to
- be done. Sure, it would be nice to imagine it, but face it -- it's not
- going to work. We're going to have to push to say things like, "This
- year is the political year of the woman" and all that shit, or else it's
- just not going to last.
-
- That is the point I'm trying to make. When a society has lasted for two
- millenia saying that women just aren't worth much, you can't honestly
- say that people will just wake up and suddenly say, "My God, we've been
- shortchanging women all this time! Honey, let's get out the checkbook
- and get a subscription to Ms." PEOPLE WILL PURSUE WHATEVER THE CURRENT
- PARADIGM IS WITH A NEW LABEL UNLESS IT IS ACTIVELY DEMONSTRATED THAT IT
- IS FALSE AND POORLY CONCEIVED.
-
- To take an example, people are bitching and whining about having to
- expand college reading lists and stuff. Other people are talking a lot
- about including _The Color Purple_ and such books. The people in charge
- are complaining, saying, "We've talked about that for too long, now
- let's get back to real literature, shall we?" despite the fact that
- they've been discussing and dissecting Charles Dickens for years and
- only went to a twenty-minute workshop on Alice Walker.
-
- After the workshop, the inequity remains. They walk away still thinking
- that all the "real" culture and literature is by white Englishmen and
- still don't want to talk about TCP in class. If you tell those people,
- "I think you should expand your horizons a little," they will say, "Oh,
- I agree," and go right back to reading littrachaw by white northern
- Europeans. You pretty much have to shove Alice Walker and Maya Angelou
- AT them -- push those books and authors harder at first -- before they
- are even going to gain recognition. THIS is what I mean by weighing
- hard down on one side for a while. I'm not fucking talking about
- supplanting ALL white authors' works, but we're going to have to push
- hard for a bit on the side of the underdog before we reach parity. I
- believe it's called affirmative action. (Awaiting the flames on THIS
- one.)
-
- Two groups of people are running a race, one free and the other with
- ankle hobbles on. After the race is half over, you take the hobbles
- off, and tell the second group to start running. Of course, they are
- about three laps behind the first group. What do you do? You pick up
- the group that wore the hobbles and plop them down next to the first
- that has been running free all this time. THAT is a fair race. I'm not
- advocating putting the other group IN FRONT of the first -- just giving
- them a boost to make them even. Is this so hard to understand?
-
- Blessings,
- Janis
-
-