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- From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
- Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
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- Date: 20 Nov 92 01:11:06 GMT
- References: <1992Nov19.150243.26769@news.ysu.edu> <1992Nov19.164342.1@fnalno.fnal.gov>
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- In article <1992Nov19.164342.1@fnalno.fnal.gov> holzman@fnalno.fnal.gov (Daniel B. Holzman) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov19.150243.26769@news.ysu.edu>, ag055@yfn.ysu.edu (Ward
- >Chanley) writes:
- >> Daniel has repeatedly made the point that women are equally capable of the
- >> "power-over" abuses of which I accuse patriarchy; this isn't surprising,
- >> since these women are operating within a patriarchal structure of empowerment
- >> and thus feel the need to play by its rules. If we eliminate the patriarchy,
- >> we're not setting up a new "power-over" structure, we're CHANGING those rules
- >> alltogether.
- >
- >If there is no power-over in place, why enshrine power-over in the name of the
- >system? "Archy" means "rule", as in coercion.
-
- Because this was the name bestowed on it by patriarchal anthropologists
- working in a patriarchal system. It has historically been used, and
- while I agree that it is a misnomer, it is useful for recognition. The
- preferred word seems to be "matristic."
-
- >If it is a set of values, not a gender, being valued over the other, why
- >enshrine either gender in the name of the system and not derscribe the values?
- >
- >How about calling it Omnifocal?
-
- Because women have been so shit on for so long and done nothing about
- it through swallowing all the drek about our victimized powerlessness
- that it is necessary to weigh down a little harder on our side. Telling
- people who've grown up in a patriarchal society to celebrate all values
- won't work; their minds are still locked in. You have to smack them
- over the head with alternative possiblities. You have two millenia's
- worth of garbage to haul out -- it must be EXPLICITLY STATED that women
- have been devalued and that women and the values that have been
- associated with them must be paid more attention.
-
- No one in history has
- said that any disembodied characteristic is evil; they have
- systematically called women evil and then attributed all the things they
- disliked TO us. The characteristics have been devalued and are not
- exclusively feminine (you who have heard me rant about enforced
- bipolarity know how I feel about that) but HAVE BECOME SO through being
- arbitrarily linked with US, who ARE evil. It is women themselves who
- have been devalued and denigrated, and everything else so only be
- association. If you doubt this read the Malleus Maleficarum as the
- most egregious example.
-
- Blessings,
- Janis
-