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- Path: sparky!uunet!munnari.oz.au!titan!titan!banerjee
- From: banerjee@titan.trl.OZ.AU (Arindam Banerjee)
- Subject: Re: How the hell can religion and action not be related?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.022738.29225@trl.oz.au>
- Sender: root@trl.oz.au (System PRIVILEGED Account)
- Organization: Telecom Research Labs, Melbourne, Australia
- References: <1992Nov12.210129.3742@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 02:27:38 GMT
- Lines: 45
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- >
- > Religious motivation can be very powerful in directing the efforts of a large
- > group of people, but I am unaware of any case INSIDE the Christian or
- > Islamic fold where a conquest was undertaken on purely religious grounds!
- > The Christians, Muslims, and Jews were also conquering for primarily mundane
- > reasons. The major difference with Buddism is that these three religions
- > (as well as the religion of the Vikings) allowed conquest of the infidels
- > and glorified battle, which Buddism did not do.
-
- The process of conquest involves murder, rape, destruction leading to
- slavery of the conquered. To conquer on a sustained, organised, even
- happy basis, one must have some kind of spiritual sustenance.
- It is nice, therefore to have your religion tell you that no matter what
- you do, your sins will be forgiven and that you will reach heaven. It is
- better to have your religion telling you that you are doing absolutely
- the best possible thing when you conquer people who elect not to share
- your religious belief.
- Perhaps unfortunately for us Hindus and Buddhists, we believe in the law
- of karma, which is a kind of conservation law, meaning that for the evil
- and trouble you cause, somehow, someday, you will have to pay. Of
- course, you also earn plus points for doing good, and the best thing
- which can happen to you is never to be born again on this miserable
- world where existence for any person with decent sensibilities amounts to
- suffering.
- Because of this law of karma, India's many and wide conquests were
- purely cultural and not military.
- And because they were cultural, even today memories of fond past
- interaction remain in all Eastern people who deeply sympathise with
- India's many problems.
-
-
- What little we know of the old pagan traditions of Europe is consistent with
-
- > many warlike tribes, but having no philosophical goal of spreading the
- > religion or converting the unbelievers. I think this distinction may be
- > what "Loki" and Gil were trying to communicate.
- >
- > - - Steve
- > boylan@ljohub.enet.dec.co
-
- I have tried to show that without knowledge of the law of karma
- barbarians can do as much damage as believers. Genghis Khan is the
- supreme example.
-
- Arindam Banerjee
-