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- From: aaldrich@encore.com (Al Aldrich)
- Subject: Re: Women and Men Witches
- Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 17:29:36 GMT
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- radzy@ICSI.Berkeley.EDU (T. O. Radzykewycz) writes:
-
- >>
- >> Again, that assumes that a matriarchal culture would be a
- >> "mirror image" of the patriarchal one. I don't think that one
- >> can so automatically make that assumption.
- >>
- >> Again, I have a belief that women have essentially different
- >> values than men; the "why" here is irrelevant.
-
- >No, it isn't irrelevant. Assuming that the value systems are
- >created by society, then when we replace the center of power
- >by men with a center of power by women, then the value systems
- >are likely to flip-flop. Women will be likely to pick up on
- ^^^^^^
- >the power-over that men currently have available to them, and
- >the mirror-image *will* result.
- ^^^^^^
- How do you so easily go from `likely' to `will'? Isn't that also
- making some easy assumptions? I am not so sure that I would want
- a `matriarchy' either, but since neither I nor anyone else here has
- any experience with that model, it is difficult to project what the
- paradigm `might' be and impossible to predict what `will' result.
-
- I prefer the model of the `partnership' where neither men nor women
- have any more inherent value than the other. But given a choice
- between patriarchy and matriarchy, at this point in time, I would be
- willing to try matriarchy. :-)
-
- >power-from-within rather than power-over, then we're in complete
- >agreement. That's exactly what I want, too.
-
- We are all in agreement there I think.
-
-
- >you're making, namely that women in a position of power won't develope
- >into power-over based creatures, is simply false!
-
- How do you know this to be absolutely false. Do you have some empirical
- evidence to support this flat statement?
-
- >> But the essential thing is to change that focus itself before we
- >> destroy ourselves and our planet.
-
- >Right. But *not* to replace one abusive system (patriarchy) with
- >a different one (matriarchy).
-
- Again..assumption that matriarchy `must' follow the same paradigm as
- patriarchy. I am not saying you may not be right. I am just wondering
- how you can be so sure.
-
-
- >Gender-free Blessings!
-
- And to you.
- al
-
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- Al Aldrich inet:aaldrich@encore.com
- "..if you understood everything I said, you'd be me." miles davis
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