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- From: reykja@fc.hp.com (Reykja Sigurdsson)
- Subject: Re: any atheist pagans out there?
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 00:00:52 GMT
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- G. Wolfe Woodbury (wolfe@wolves.uucp) wrote:
- : >: >It *has* to have some meaning. Otherwise, why do we bother? But then, how
- : >: >do you define beauty and truth? That is certainly subjective. Anyone who
- : >: >tries to tell me that there is meaning and purpose in the mundane lives
- : >: >of most people is simply full of crap. So -- is it a conscious choice we
- : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <note this sentence>
- :
- : >: >make to "opt out" of the everyday concerns -- working for someone else,
- : >: >produce-and-consume, acquisition -- for something more meaningful?
- : >:
- :
- : This is a far cry from your statement that mundane lives meanings
- : are "crap".
-
- Yes. It *is* a far cry from that. I can see where the statement taken
- out of context can seem the other way.
-
- My main point remains that, in order to find meaning, we have to get out
- of the sick cycle this culture perpetuates. Produce-and-consume means
- absolutely nothing and has no significant value. Those who are caught
- up in that (which is bloody well most of us!) have to begin to look
- beyond that.
-
- I fundamentally disagree with your premise that life is meaningful
- simply because it is life. Is anything meaningful simply because it
- exists? I think not. Life's value is determined by that which we
- contribute to our environment. I don't see where we have contributed
- a lot. We have raped the earth beyond all comprehension, we live for
- self-gratification and sensation.
-
- I have always had a problem understanding the love-is-the-answer, New-Age
- ding-dongs who try to say that *all* life has value and it all has
- equal value. I have a problem with the idea that every action has
- meaning. Is the life of the mold in my refrigerator as valuable as that
- of your life or my own? Hardly!
-
- : >: You have some kind of worth that they don't?
- : >
- :
- Okay! Okay! Grammar alert! I should have said 'we' instead of them.
- So pillory me!
-
- : Note the part of your paragraph that I underscored with '^'s
- : above. The implication is read from your statement that "Anyone who tries
- : to tell me that there is meaning and purpose in the mundane lives of
- : most people is full of crap." I can't see much of any other way to
- : respond when you say that something is crap.
- :
- I can only say what my reaction would be. I would say "why do you think
- that is crap?" I would want to know the motivation for that conclusion.
- I would want more detail.
-
-
- : Life, in and of itself, is plenty of meaning. The pure miracle
- : of life, totally without regard for the mental state of the liver, has
- : its own purpose.
- :
- And what is that purpose in your opinion?
-
- : You may not recognize the inherent worth of that life, or the
- : dignity that is due for the person *simply because they are alive*, but
- : I see in that life a spark of the divine, and I will honor that.
- :
- If that works for you, that's great. I choose to honor those who are
- deserving of honor. As I mentioned above, I disagree with the premise
- that all life has value. I can not say that the life of Adolf Hitler
- or Jeffrey Dahmer has value. It is an abberation.
-
- : You make your meaning clear, and it merely confirms what I was
- : reacting to in your attitude.
- : --
- There is not really much I can do about that. We disagree, clear and
- simple. But -- I will still look forward to your posts. I think they
- are thought-provoking and I truly enjoy them. You are obviously an
- extremely intelligent person, clear-thinking and interesting and I
- hope you will continue.
-
- Sometimes it is best to just agree to disagree.
-
-
- wassail..
-
-
- //rks
- (Island's Child. I am on my work account)
-
-
- : G. Wolfe Woodbury @ The Wolves Den, Durham NC [This site is NOT affiliated ]
- : wolfe@wolves.durham.nc.us [with Duke University! Idiots!]
- : UUCP: ...!duke!wolves!wolfe <Standard Disclaimers apply>
- : Above All, we celebrate! --Celebrate the Circle, Statement of Purpose.
-