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- From: farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Lorenzo Farris)
- Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body
- Subject: Re: physical/non-physical/science/religion (was Re: message...)
- Message-ID: <Nov.15.21.34.17.1992.9748@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 02:34:17 GMT
- References: <9211131328.AA09748@animus.Corp.Sun.COM>
- Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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- In article <9211131328.AA09748@animus.Corp.Sun.COM>, writes:
- [lot's of assorted stuff deleted for brevity]
- :
- :I find it unsatisfying to leave it at that, and not try for some sort
- :of resolution with science or reality. What goes on in my own head is
- :much less interesting to me than what is "real", and I'll define "real"
- :here to mean experiences that can be shared by people, either physical
- :or non-physical, and that they can agree about afterwards. If people
- :can't agree on common experiences, then science cannot be applied to
- :it, and it falls under the catagory of religion. The problem with
- :religion is that it means whatever it means to each individual, so I'd
- :rather stick to a scientific approach. Normal reality meets this
- :"consensus" test, and anecdotes say that OOBE might also.
-
- Let me make a little more clear what I meant by the question perhaps
- being moot. I think what may be happening is that, when someone has an
- experience that doesn't fit within hir ability to conceptualize it,
- the tendency is to interpret it in terms they understand.
-
- I think the anthropomorphizing of natural forces fits into this
- category. I think similarly that various sightings of the Madonna in
- various Catholic countries also may fit into this.
-
- The raw experience is processed into the closest equivalent imaginable
- to the experiencer. So what one experiences as being out-of-body
- another experiences as clairvoyance, etc.
-
- Perhaps the more imaginative and open you are, the more 'para-normal'
- the experience you remember.
-
- Since science depends on reliable data gathering, if your instruments
- (people) are not amenable to calibration, it may be impossible to
- apply conventional science to obe's and related phenomena.
-
- -Lorenzo
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- "Once upon a time men were possessed ******************************
- by devils. Now they are not less * Lorenzo Farris *
- obsessed by ideas" -CG Jung * farris@ruhets.rutgers.edu *
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