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- From: hem@maverick.col400.att.com (Hillel E. Markowitz)
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- Subject: Re: What Did Judas Betray?
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- Date: 23 Nov 92 19:40:35 GMT
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- In article <141154.2B0FBDB3@paranet.FIDONET.ORG> Bill.Carlson@p0.f18.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Carlson) writes:
- >To: avi@seal.imagen.com
- >
- > Av> was stoned or even killed in any way related to the Jews.
- >
- > Actually, the account in Sanh. 43a, together with Ulla's comments,
- > do show a "Jewish" involvement. However, that really isn't the
- > main contention I'd have. Since we have manuscripts of the Brit
- > HaChadashah from about 130 AD (Rylands MS), along with major
- > portions of the New Testament from 200 AD (Beatty Papyri). Along
- > with a first Century Mishnaic Hebrew Matthew, as well as various
- > late 1st and early 2nd century AD/Ce quotes of earlier
- > manuscripts, not to mention the early Syriac #30 manuscripts;
- > etc.. - Why should we heed obscure Talmidic writings from 467
- > years after the fact as any thing? Unless you are viewing the
- > Talmudic accounts as absolutely 100% accurate as a historical
- > document on ancient history. - BUT... isn't that just exactly
- > what you accused us of doing?! Further, if that be the case,
- > then why not take as valid a somewhat later writing, also written
- > by Jews, who did not care for either Messianic Believers or
- > Rabbinic Jews, as more objective:
- >
- >From the Karaite Anthology, by Leon Nemoy, Yale press, pgs. 50-51, 9...
- >Next there appeared Yesua, who Rabbanites say was the son of Pandera;
- >he is known as Jesus, the son of Mary. He lived in the days of Joshua,
- >the son of Perahiah, who is said to have been the maternal uncle of
- >Jesus. The Rabbanites plotted against Jesus until they put him to death
- >This took place in thereign of Augustus Ceasar, the emperor of Rome,
- >i.e.,at the time of the second Temple.{Jacov Al-Kirkisani,900's AD/CE.}
-
- One minor detail. Previous posts have pointed out that Rabbi
- Yeshua ben Perachya lived circa 130 BCE. If you are claiming
- that the Karaite statement is more accurate, then you are saying
- that the xian books are LESS likely to have been written by
- witnesses.
-