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- Newsgroups: alt.irc
- Path: sparky!uunet!iWarp.intel.com|eff!news.oc.com!acme.etsu.edu!herm
- From: herm@acme.etsu.edu (Herman H. Fredriksson)
- Subject: Do NOT reply to a NOTICE. Do NOT send a PRIVMSG on a PRIVMSG.
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.080700.13514@ra.oc.com>
- Followup-To: alt.newbies,alt.stupidity
- Summary: *sigh*
- Keywords: bots, are, lame.
- Sender: usenet@ra.oc.com
- Organization: Say NO to bots inc.
- References: <1ed13uINNmss@manuel.anu.edu.au> <1992Nov19.183714.21340@ugle.unit.no>
- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 08:07:00 GMT
- Lines: 89
-
- gardabr@unix1.MRIH.NO (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
- >titus chiu (titus@coombs.anu.edu.au) wrote:
- >: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
- >: >titus chiu (titus@coombs.anu.edu.au) wrote:
- >: >: gardabr@unix1 (Gard Eggesbo Abrahamsen) writes:
- >: >: [..stuff about vi on alt.irc?.. you know why I deleted it..]
-
- >: my mistake, i meant to say alt.irc
-
- >If you manage to telnet from tin, be my guest and tell me how. We were in fact
- >talking about what possibilities I have to be reading newsgroups and being on
- >irc simultaneously.
-
- 1. Maybe titus assumed too much and didnt make it simple enough for you, but
- what he means is that..he doesnt see why you need to tell us about
- how you telnet from here to there, and post it to alt.irc. He doesnt
- obviously mean you are going to telnet from a newsgroup.
-
- 2. To telnet from tin, you do the following:
-
- 2.1 Press the [!] key (its normally above the number one.. press shift).
-
- 2.2 Type: telnet newbie.mrih.no (or some other host)
-
- before this turns alt.irc into a "alt.teach.gard.how.to.use.software", please
- go and read the manuals or press H for help, or generally, just get a clue.
-
- >: [..stuff from titus explaining vi..]
-
- >: >Escape x for delete? It's rediculous. And I wan't telnetting from irc, but
-
- >: u could actually do dd for delete line, dw for delete word and just x for
- >: delete char.
-
- >Of course, but let's say you wrote the word "herrman", and wanted to remove
- >the r. What is more pleasant to press? ESC h h h h x l l l a
- >or left left left backspace right right right ???
- >What is more pleasant to press? ESC d d or ctrl+k? ESC : w q or ctrl+x ctrl+c?
- >Of course this has a lot to do with taste, but I prefer to be in constant
- >edit mode and have the commands on control keys, rather than changing between
-
- emacs chews up a lot of memory resources. Its been described as
- EMACS = Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping. I'm not saying emacs is bad
- just that each editor has its own good points / bad points. This discussion
- belongs in comp.editors... please take it there if you followup to this
- particular section.
-
- >editing and command modes. This has, of course NOTHING to do with not listening
- >to herm's warning. You say Glurg could flood the channel because of the public
- >chatting. Well, I have not seen ONE BOT that is fool proof. Not even nickserv.
- >If you try to ...
- >/set exec_protection off
- >/on -notice nickserv /exec -msg nickserv@service.de help ;say $0-
- >/msg nickserv@service.de help
- >..voila! A flood!
-
- now listen in you pinhead, you dont reply to a NOTICE, especially with
- a PRIVMSG, you dont reply with a PRIVMSG to a PRIVMSG, Understand?,
- Comprende?, Sjo"nner Dere?, Fo"sta'r du?, Verstehen sie?
-
- >And in fact, I _am_ working on a bot now, programmed in C, which will register
- >the last message from a nick to compare with the newest, and also check the
- >time. If it clearly is a flood, the message will be ignored.
- >Well, this test can of course be omitted by changing between several nicks
- >and thereby giving each nick enough time, but I will be working on this, too.
- >So it's not me not listening. I have just proven that it is impossible to
- >do a bot as fool proof as you want it to be in 100% ircii.
-
- >What will be the next? All ircii bots to be removed and replaced with bots
- >written in a language that is capable of timing each nick to discover a flood
- >attempt? Well, you don't have to wait for me, my new version is under
- >developement...
-
- You are not listening, there is a method to solve the flooding problem.
- That is to have all automata follow a simple rule. As specified in the
- protocol description.
-
- to who ever is maintaining the current ircII: Can you please remove the
- "-msg" flag from /exec, when /exec is called from /on msg or /on notice,
- and possibly others like /on ctcp and /on ctcp_reply, so that dorks like
- this wont keep shooting themselves in the foot, in the next version.
-
- herm.
- (say NO to unattended bots)
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