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- From: hughes@gloin.cis.udel.edu (John Hughes)
- Subject: Re: Reasoning with homophobes?? (was: Re: Reasoning of homos???
- Message-ID: <1992Nov20.030810.2716@udel.edu>
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- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 03:08:10 GMT
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- In article <1e9oo5INN3io@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST402341@brownvm.brown.edu (Gary Byma) writes:
- >In article <1992Nov16.191127.5469@samba.oit.unc.edu>,
- >Gary.Saunders@launchpad.unc.edu (Gary Saunders) said:
- >>
- >>If he calls you a faggot, and you call him a stupid het boy, have the two
- >>of you made any progress? Are you any closer to a tolerant society in
- >>which homosexuality is not frowned upon?
- >
- >>
- >Sorry, Gary, you are flat wrong. Why must it always be the oppressed
- >group that is tolerant of the ignorance and vituperative diatribes
- >of the oppressors?
-
- Actually, I think you are wrong. It's not that oppressed groups especially
- should be tolerant. It's that everyone should be tolerant. It's a sad fact that
- people (gay or straight) need to hurl insults at each other to feel better
- about themselves. I would think that whenever anyone detected this behavior
- in onesself, one would immediately do a little growing up.
-
- [...]
- >Clearly, while you may not be guilty of
- >posting this homophobic crap yourself, you do not understand the anger
- >that wells up each time you are forced to face it again.
-
- Oh, I expect most people have felt extreme anger welling up inside them; it's
- not a difficult thing to understand. It's not even particularly impressive.
- Everyone feels rage and anger. The whole point to civilized living is to
- sublimate some of those urges and actually *live* together.
-
- >>All I'm asking is that each of us be treated as individuals.
- >
- >You got it. But as soon as an individual shows his/her stripes,
- >they get treated accordingly, which is what happened in the cited
- >case.
-
- It all really just strikes me as a waste of energy. There's a lot more good
- you can do in the world than shout down silly little children who like saying
- dirty, mean little things and gleefully watching the results.
-
- >>Gary.Saunders
- >
- >Gary Byma
-
- John
-