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- From: dlester@cs.man.ac.uk (David Lester)
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- Subject: Mr K Walsh, a word in your ear (Was: Shut the fuck up)
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.111301@cs.man.ac.uk>
- Date: 17 Nov 92 11:13:01 GMT
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- Dear Mr Walsh,
-
- I trust you will find the following article (from the archives) amusing,
- rather than prophetic.
-
- Yours didactically,
-
- ---
- David Lester, Manchester University, UK.
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- Article <l7qrodINNa23@news.bbn.com>,
- From: levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin)
-
-
- (from the Business section of the San Jose Mercury News,
- Friday, July 31, 1992)
-
- "Email epithets spark Sun lawsuit"
-
- by Brandon Bailey
-
- By his own admission, Philip Stromer liked to push the
- boundaries of good taste when he sent out jokes and
- political statements on his employer's electronic
- mail network.
-
- But according to a lawsuit filed this week in Santa
- Clara County Superior Court, Stromer pushed too far.
-
- The 32-year-old technical writer says he was fired by
- Sun Microsystems in April after he sent a series of
- email messages that were anything but politically
- correct.
-
- The messages were posted on an electronic bulletin
- board used by Sun workers to exchange jokes and
- running commentary on a variety of topcis unrelated
- to their jobs.
-
- "I was just trying to make conversation," Stromer
- said in an interview. "I would normally take
- whatever position was unpopular."
-
- His electronic broadsides ranged from pro-Israel
- and anti-abortion arguments to jokes about AIDS
- and graphic epithets about gays. Eventually he
- signed on to a nationwide computer network using
- his terminal at Sun and typed what he described
- as "some very extremely nasty stuff" on a bulletin
- board used primarily to exchange sarcastic insults
- and vitriolic humor.
-
- A Sun spokeswoman said the company would not comment.
-
- The case raises interesting questions about the
- increasing popularity of electronic bulletin
- boards and message systems on which users can
- type all kinds of outrageous statements without
- having to look their audience in the eye. Stromer
- says he always signed his own name to his messages
- and never meant to threaten anyone personally.
-
- But several legal experts say that anti-discrimination
- laws require management to step in when employees
- create an atmosphere that is hostile or intimidating
- to any group.
-
- "An occasional joke, maybe," said Patricia Shiu, staff
- attorney at the non-profit Employment Law Center in
- San Francisco. "But if an employer (allows) that kind
- of thing repeatedly, he exposes himself to liability
- for allowing a discriminatory environment."
-
- In his lawsuit, Stromer claims his bosses violated his
- right to free expression. He said he was just trying
- to liven up the conversations that Sun employees routinely
- conduct on a variety of email bulletin boards. And he
- compared himself with comedian Lenny Bruce. (Stromer
- said he had been scolded before but he drew his first
- written reprimand from Sun for a joke about AIDS and
- Magic Johnson, and another about AIDS and anal sex.)
-
- "This type of exchange... is deemed by Sun management
- to show poor judgment and blatant disregard for the
- feelings of coworkers," said the reprimand.
-
- By Stromer's account, he was fired after he used his
- work computer to hurl messages including graphic epithets
- at gays across a national network. The network automatically
- identified the messages as coming from a Sun computer.
-
- Stromer is acting as his own attorney. He said he sought
- help from the American Civil Liberties Union and a
- conservative foundation but both told him his employer
- had a right to regulate his speech on company computers.
-
- = = =
-
- [Typed in by sf at dec and reposted w/o his permission, which is why
- I'm leaving his name off / JBL]
-