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- From: gordons@CS.ColoState.EDU (vahl scott gordon)
- Subject: Scouts 93
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:33:52 GMT
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- From: <MHUGHES@MIAMIU.BITNET>
-
- >Yes, there is something to be said for history and the repetition and slight
- >variation on it.....the trouble is that it's damn near the ONLY thing that
- >Madison is capable of these days. Just look at the past few years:
- >
- > 1986 - Gershwin music from the 1970s regurgutated
- > 1987 - (I forgot this one...sorry)
- > 1988 - Maleguena regurgitated for the umpteenth time
- > 1989 - Slaughter on 10th Avenue regurgitated for the umpteenth+1 time
- > 1990 - an original show that I actually liked (but noone else did)
- > 1991 - City of Angels...an excellent production
- > 1992 - City of Angels...an excellent production (yawn)
- > 1993 - excerpts from the 1981, 1983 and 1990 shows
- >
- >C'mon!!!!!!!!!! How can you defend this lack of musical creativity?
- >Would you defend the corps if they did the same drill moves year after year?
- >Used the same guard uniforms and equipment? Etc, etc, etc....
- >
- >Mike Hughes
-
- I think you're confusing musical creativity with playing different songs.
- Would you contend that classical musicians all necessarily have no
- musical creativity because they play pieces that have been played before?
- Does Wynton Marsalis have no musical creativity when he plays an Ellington
- or Parker song?
-
- It's unfair to say that they are "regurgitating" these pieces. Did ANY of
- the musicians simply regurgitate the music? I suspect that NONE of them
- were around when they were done the first time. What about the arrangement?
- Were they "regurgitated"? They sound completely different to me on the
- recordings than the originals. Were the visuals regurgitated? No comment
- necessary there. What about the two City of Angels productions... a few
- of the musical passages were the same, and they borrowed the drill move
- used in the 1991 closer to finish the 1992 opener. Otherwise the show
- looked completely re-worked to me.
-
- How do I defend the use of previously used material? How about the
- screaming applause that Madison manages to get nearly every year? (well, there
- was 1990 but you liked that show). How about the high that the members
- get by getting more audience response than most other corps? What about
- the challenge of playing intricate and difficult music? What about the
- joy of being a part of a long, proud heritage? What about the joy of
- getting the opportunity to play music that you've always wanted to play?
- Looking back is part of Madison's style. It's part of what draws people
- to play in their corps, and it's part of what fans look forward to when
- they take the field.
-
- There should be room for this in the activity. What is WRONG with this???
- If in the process of putting together such a show a corps is the BEST,
- then why shouldn't they win?
-
- But let me get back to my discussion of what innovation is. Do we penalize
- corps for using flags? After all, flags have been used before. No, we say
- it's how they USE the flags. But apparently DCI doesn't think this applies
- to music. Why does innovation have to mean songs that have never before
- been used on the field? Remember Garfield 84, one of the most innovative shows
- in history? West Side Story was one of the most often played pieces in corps.
- But it was WHAT they did with it! Remember the groans when Sky Ryders
- announced that they were going to do it too in 87? But what THEY did with
- it was regarded as thoroughly innovative! The feeling lately seems to be
- that you won't get good marks from DCI unless you play songs that no
- drum corps ever played before. (especially not your own, even if it was
- 20 years ago before any of the staff or members were even born)
-
- Don't get me wrong, I think it's GREAT when a corps plays new music.
- I also think it's GREAT to be blown away by a piece that is known to be
- a good vehicle for drum corps innovation. There should be room for both.
-
- Scott
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