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- Subject: Re: Diamond-hard SF
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- Date: 21 Nov 92 20:41:26 GMT
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- In article <4f3NKmW00WBO88d71X@andrew.cmu.edu> Elistan+@CMU.EDU (Mark Alan Lang) writes:
- >
- > Have you read much by Larry Niven? From what I've seen and heard,
-
- You might want to include Pournelle in there as well. For
- me they're nearly synonymous :)
-
- >he's considered one of the best hard science fiction authors there is.
-
- Really? I will admit that he and Pournelle both love to
- play with technology in their books, but they lack something which
- would put them in my "diamond-hard SF" category. Perhaps not enough
- imagination or something, can't tell. Give me a few days to mull it
- over...
-
- >I agree - he certainly has a LOT of really interesting ideas. He also
- >has some of the best characters and plots I've ever come accross.
-
- You're kidding right? His and Pournelle's books tend to
- revolve around a central idea (Invasion of Earth [Footfall], First
- Contact [Mote in God's Eye], etc) and then they just show off right
- and left. Neither of their books are as serious as I wish they
- were.
- Both of them seem to lack some really interesting ideas that
- would really interest me. Gibson and Sterling both strike me as
- more "hard SF" for some reason (flame me, I know. They're both
- getting to be cliches, but they're the ones who come first to my
- mind).
- Oath of Fealty was interesting, but again it wasn't all that
- impressive so far as Incredible Ideas are concerned. They're
- writing about an arcology (seen it before), they talk about icebergs
- being pulled into LA for water (seen it before), they talk on
- occasion about what society would be like living in an arcology and
- the difficulties involved (interesting, but not really SF).
- Footfall was severely lacking. Niven and Pournelle
- basically showed off along on the lines of, "Boy, SF writers have
- suddenly become the most important people on the planet! Let's go
- off on this idea..." Nothing very incredible...
- The Mote in God's Eye was similar. Intersting alien
- culture, but the technology wasn't original at all. Same general SF
- stuff...
- Ringworld had a single good idea (the ringworld), but beyond
- that, what was so exciting so far as technology was concerned?
-
- Perhaps I'm biased, but I do try to read a variety of works
- by different authors, regardless of whether I like them or not.
- Niven has never really struck me as an incredible author so far as
- technology was concerned. His books are interesting reads and I
- certainly consider him an important member of the SF community, but
- not because of his impressively novel uses for technology...
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- >| Mark Lang | ml5t+@andrew.cmu.edu |
- >| elistan+@cmu.edu | elistan@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu |
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