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- From: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
- Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
- Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
- Message-ID: <3615.403.uupcb@the-matrix.com>
- Date: 15 Nov 92 04:51:00 GMT
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- Organization: The MATRIX BBS - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016
- Reply-To: mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis)
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- >you can get just from classes. i've learned probably twice as much
- >useful stuff on my own then i have in class. women don't seem to get
- >into reading tech manuals & magazines & source code *just for the fun
- >of it*.
- KH> A lot of women, no. I avoid them unless I want an answer to
- > a specific question - like a programming question, or a
- > specific bit of software in general.
-
- I think the point of this section was that for *most* people (the majority
- male), technical excellence with computers requires the obsession with
- the technical. I don't really know if it has anything to do with the
- societal influences (acutally, I don't know how *much*). Quite a bit, I'm
- sure.
- >i guess what i'm trying to say is that women aren't expected to be
- >as obsessive about things as men.
- KH> Sure we are. Haven't you ever listened to women discussing
- > men, makeup, hair, clothes, fashion, soap operas? I'm willing
-
- Careful here, you're stereotyping :)
- Seriously though, I agree that _people_ are obsessive. The direction of this
- argument is such that the nature of the obsessions have a different value for
- mens vs. womens. The obsessions of men (in this case technical knowledge)
- outweigh the value of the obsessions of the women (pick your favorite example
- from your list) based on the measure created by society. But that's sort
- of off-topic.
- >how do we promote these topics as fun to women? should -anyone-
- >think they're fun? i happen to think so, but then again, i'm biased.
- KH> I think computers are a blast. Then, I've been playing with them
- > for 8 years now. (I'm 18. Simple math).
- > Anyway, it's simple. Get rid of the society bias that women
- > aren't as competent with machines/technology as men. That should
- > fix everything quite nicely.
- While I'm at it, would you like peace on earth, good will towards men, and a
- cure for the common cold? :)
- It's great that you have a penchant for computers (assumed that you do). But
- that makes you something of an anomoly (sp?) in our current society. The
- solution to this problem reminds me of a Star Trek: TNG episode that I didn't
- watch (never do). Virus in the computer, so they suggest just reloading from
- a clean backup. Problem is, our society has no clean backup. This has
- been going on for a long, long time.
- Major changes in the mental makeup of society are interesting to think about,
- but really don't exist except as amassed groups of tiny changes. As I stated
- elsewhere, social change is rarely achieved in any positive way by major
- upheaval. It occurs best in large numbers of small ways. Shaping, a
- therapy techique of the behaviorists, gets some of the best results of any.
- It's method is small changes, but keep pushing for the goal.
-
- Just my thoughts on this at 4:50am. Thanks for your time.
- Mykel
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