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- From: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
- Newsgroups: alt.cyberpunk
- Subject: Re: Women in CP/Industria
- Date: 15 Nov 1992 23:58:34 GMT
- Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
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- Reply-To: kxh16@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen Hardy)
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- In a previous article, mykel.alvis@the-matrix.com (Mykel Alvis) says:
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- >KH> Sure we are. Haven't you ever listened to women discussing
- > > men, makeup, hair, clothes, fashion, soap operas? I'm willing
- >
- >Careful here, you're stereotyping :)
- Actually, no. :) I'm basing this on observation of other
- females I know - the more 'normal' ones I happen to live with,
- others that I have known, etc. Sure, they wander off on other
- things, but typical content deals with less than highly
- educational topics. There there's me and the people I talk to -
- psychology theories, gaming, cyberpunk, and whether or not
- wind chill factor affects the freezing point of water. ;)
- >Seriously though, I agree that _people_ are obsessive. The direction of this
- >argument is such that the nature of the obsessions have a different value for
- >mens vs. womens. The obsessions of men (in this case technical knowledge)
- >outweigh the value of the obsessions of the women (pick your favorite example
- >from your list) based on the measure created by society. But that's sort
- >of off-topic.
- Actually, I think that's right on topic. The area of obsession
- that's considered acceptable is to a large extent set by society.
- I know *I* get weird looks when I demonstrate that I know perfectly
- well how to work networking software, hook up a computer, etc.
- >While I'm at it, would you like peace on earth, good will towards men, and a
- >cure for the common cold? :)
- Go fer it. ;)
- >It's great that you have a penchant for computers (assumed that you do). But
- Would I be here if I weren't? :)
- >that makes you something of an anomoly (sp?) in our current society.
- Pffooo.... don't remind me....
- >Major changes in the mental makeup of society are interesting to think about,
- >but really don't exist except as amassed groups of tiny changes. As I stated
- >elsewhere, social change is rarely achieved in any positive way by major
- >upheaval. It occurs best in large numbers of small ways. Shaping, a
- >therapy techique of the behaviorists, gets some of the best results of any.
- >It's method is small changes, but keep pushing for the goal.
- Shaping, however, can be long and tedious, and does tend to be
- 1) subtle and 2) easily sabotaged. There was a study a few
- years ago (I can post the particulars if someone wants them)
- that found that people tend to fit into the role expected of
- them (there's another one called the Stanford Prison Expt.
- that goes into more detail on it).
- >Just my thoughts on this at 4:50am. Thanks for your time.
- Hey, thanks for yours, too. :)
-
- Kitten
- Life is a sexually transmitted disease. - R.G.
- --
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- Do you like the way it moves?
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