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- From: turner@reed.edu (hallucinations )
- Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
- References: <1992Nov13.093721.18637@muddcs.claremont.edu> <1992Nov20.002622.10637@ucc.su.OZ.AU> <102726@bu.edu>
- Organization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon
- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 19:48:31 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Nov23.194831.438@reed.edu>
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- >In article <1992Nov20.002622.10637@ucc.su.OZ.AU> pope@physics.su.OZ.AU (The Nightstalker) writes:
- >>The Nightstalker reappears from the shadows.
- >>"Does anyone know where the books are kept in this place, I need something
- >>on EASTERN RELIGIONS AND BELIEF SYSTEMS. BTW, Mike could you get
- >>Mishael anything that he would like to drink/eat/whatever, and tell him
- >>that I'll be wherever the books are kept here if he wants a chat."
-
- Caithelin comes in carrying a bag of books. "Well I should be able to say
- something on this...I mean what else is my degree good for. The following
- list is mostly from classes I've taken in the past couple years. There are
- a couple exceptions, namely the first one. The first is one of my favorites
- on comparative religion."
-
- Rao, K.L. Seshagiri. "Mahatma Gandhi and Comparative Religion." Motilal
- Banarsidass, 1978. I don't know if it's still available. But it's
- very good...I think. Not necessarily a lot of information on
- religions but I like his point of view. I also have enormous
- respect for Gandhi-ji.
-
- "Religions of the World" 2nd Edition. St. Martin's Press, 1988. ISBN:
- 0-312-00308-0. Very good overview of world religions.
-
- Hopkins. "The Hindu Religious Tradition" Wadsworth Publ, 1971. ISBN:
- 0-8221-0022-3.
-
- Singer, Milton, ed. "Krishna: Myths, Rites and Attitudes" Univ. of Chicago
- Press, 1966. ISBN: 0-226-76101-0
-
- Lao Tzu "Toa Te Ching" tr. by D.C. Lau. Penguin Classics, 1963. Not very
- informative about theology but kind of neat to read. It was my
- bedtime reading last night.
-
- Conze, Edward. "Buddhism: Its Essence and Development" Harper&Row, 1975.
- ISBN: 0-06-130058-6
-
- Embree, Ainslie T. "Sources of Indian Tradition" 2nd Ed. (two volumes,
- I've only seen volume 1) Columbia Univ. Press, 1988 0-231-06151-1.
- This is another really good one. Covers a lot of ground fairly
- extensively.
-
- Also, same publisher, but it's being borrowed by a friend so I don't have it
- in front of me is "Sources of Chinese Tradition".
-
- None of these are particularly quick reads...maybe Tao Te Ching..
-
- My favorite way perhaps of getting a feel for a religion is to read some of
- it's myths and legends. The Mahabharata is wonderful (though long). It was
- made into a movie (several different lengths) and might be available on
- video. When they show it on Indian TV everything stops so people can watch
- the episode. (It's many hours long). Once they've gone through it they run
- it again. Also for other things to read: The Ramayana, Bhagavad Gita (not
- legend, just a part of the Mahabharata), any collection of folk tales you
- can find.
-
- Another note: Hinduism should probably not be considered a religion...it's
- more of a culture. There are various religions within that culture:
- Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Brahmanism, etc. But the holy days for all of them
- are celebrated by almost everyone, and most people even if they worship one
- deity mostly will still visit the other temples. So it gets very
- confusing. But trying to come up with any kind of consistent set of beliefs
- for "Hinduism" is really very difficult. Each group believes their god is
- the highest and the others are just manifestations of their god. This
- creates a very tolerant atmosphere. They spread this to a large extent to
- the western religions also. (This historically tended to drive Christian
- missionaries *nuts*.) Culturally they believe there are many paths to
- truth, they just perhaps have a higher path (or it's the right path for
- them) and if we're all good in this life time, next life time we might have
- the good fortune to be born a low caste Hindu. Eventually we might even
- make it up to a Brahman and from there to a divine being and from there we
- might attain enlightenment. (Well maybe not exactly that order but close.)
- People cannot convert to Hinduism. You can however convert to Shaivism for
- example and practice the Shaivite teachings.
-
- I hope this clears up a little confusion. Or causes a little more.
- Hinduism is amazingly rich and complex. Writing it off as "just an
- ideology" is in my mind almost inexcuseable. Read some stuff on it. And
- please if you have questions, ask. I'm not a scientist, I can't answer
- those questions, I have however spent many years studying eastern religions
- in general and Hinduism in particular and know perhaps a few general sorts
- of answers. Hmmm. I definitely seem to be on a soapbox now. Time to get
- down." She hops down.
-
- Caithelin wanders to the bar for a drink. All that talking made her
- thirsty. "Do you have any Mangolas Mike? ...Ah, I knew I could count on
- you." She takes the dusty bottle full of thick orange stuff and settles in
- a chair. She pours a bit into a metal glass and sips it.
-
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