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- From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
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- Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
- Date: 21 Nov 1992 03:34:22 GMT
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- In article <STEVE.92Nov20164310@styx.crc.ricoh.COM>, steve@crc.ricoh.COM (Stephen R. Savitzky) writes:
- >"The true meaning of 'freedom of speech' and 'freedom of religion' is
- >that the U.S. Constitution specifically defines speech and religious
- >practices as being non-injurious (with a few exceptions, though IMHO
- >not few enough)."
-
- StM once again looks confused. "I don't know whether I agree with you or
- disagree with you. Your statement is somewhat ambiguous. If you meant
- `defines speech and religions practices as not being intrinsically injurious,'
- I agree with you. If you mean it precisely as stated, I disagree with you. I
- agree with Justice Holmes, I think it was: Freedom of speech does NOT extend
- to yelling `FIRE!' in a crowded theater (unless, of course, there IS a fire).
- Such exercises of speech are, in most places, illegal, and rightly so.
- Furthermore, slander and libel can be injurious, though these are civil and
- not criminal offenses. Remember: The Bill of Rights does NOT limit the
- rights of private citizens (or, as the Constitution puts it `The People'); it
- limits the power of the government to restrict the rights of the people. Or
- at least that's what it meant when it was written. Part of it says that it
- means whatever the Supreme Court decides it means, and in the last half
- century, they decided that the 9th (I think it's the ninth; the one that
- explicitly states that any powers not explicitly granted to the government are
- reserved for the people) doesn't count."
-