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- From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.190825.174@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:08:25 GMT
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- In article <0f2wjne00awT01Q1U3@andrew.cmu.edu> Mark Beirne Lively <ml5a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
-
- > Obout the after menopause and the use of the rythem method. Both are
- >allowable because it is still possible for a child to be born. There
- >are at least 2 bible stories where a child was born after the woman was
- >too old. So there is a possiblity that a child could be born if it was
- >God's plan without too much difficulty or trouble onhis part. With the
- >rytem method there is the same arguement. That the cycles are generally
- >evenly spaced but it is a relatively common occurance for the timing to
- >be off(at least thats What I was told in sex ed many years ago)
-
- "Well, but it's still possible with artificial methods as
- well: 1 chance in 100 (over a year) for the Pill, 3 in a hundred for
- condoms, and I think something like 13% for the sponge (all of these
- are assuming the couple uses them correctly every time-- actual
- results are closer to 3% failure for the Pill, 10% for condoms, 18%
- for the sponge). The basal temperature NFP method has a theoretical
- failure of 7%, and an actual rate of 20% (I speculate the much higher
- actual failure rate has to do with the fact that people find `wait two
- days' harder to manage than `wait a minute while I find a condom'.)
- But if the couple is actually able to follow it the woman is less
- likely to get pregnant than if she uses a contraceptive sponge, yet
- the former is permitted and the latter isn't. So probabilities can't
- be the only angle considered here."
-
- Michael
- --
- Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS "Indeed I tremble for my country
- mss2@midway.uchicago.edu when I reflect that God is just."
- mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
- mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu Virginia (1784)
-