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- From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov19.052510.5347@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 05:25:10 GMT
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- In article <1ef16kINNobt@gap.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
- >Michael says:
-
- >> "To be fair, they're hardly saying that people should go
- >>around having unprotected sex. Their line is that the main point of
- >>sex is procreation within a monogamous marriage, and that sex which is
- >>_not_ directed towards that is sinful.
-
- >Abner blinks, looking startled. "Wait a minute ... If sex not directed
- >towards procreation is sinful, then does the Catholic Church officially
- >oppose sex after the wife hits menopause?" After considering a bit, Abner
- >is sure that he would have heard about any belief that silly. Still, that
- >means there must be a flaw in the logic chain somewhere. "If the Catholic
- >Church *doesn't* oppose sex after the woman hits menopause, how would they
- >make that consistant with sex being sinful if not aimed at procreation?"
-
- Michael smiles and shrugs. "Search me. As noted in another
- article, I can't understand how they reconcile Natural Family Planning
- (i.e. timing intercourse to avoid fertile periods) with their primary
- stance, which seems an even greater problem. As for sex after
- menopause, I suspect that it is discouraged, at least if anyone asks,
- but I'll grant I haven't seen any big campaigns against it either.
- And, contrary to any impressions I may have given, the Pope rarely has
- time for me to check these things with him. :-) All I know about
- Catholicism is what I read in the papers-- and what I've absorbed from
- such diverse sources as medieval history, G.K. Chesterton, J.R.R.
- Tolkien, several friends of mine, and probably there's some net
- reading mixed in there as well.
-
- "However, I do think that an institution as old, literate, and
- practised in disputation as the Catholic Church is unlikely to have
- huge gaping holes in their reasoning. Disputable premises, surely--
- obviously, if one doesn't believe that the Pope is divinely inspired
- then a particular Pope's interpretation of an issue is no more or less
- valid than anyone else of his education and background. If the Bible
- is merely a book of tribal legends and partisan history, then
- arguments from Biblical reference will carry no weight. But I'm
- inclined to give them credit for reasonably credible reasoning from
- their premises (not perfect, and not necessarily mathematically
- rigorous, but not foolish credulousness either). And I'm inclined to
- give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're generally trying
- to honestly reason from their premises to their conclusions rather
- than trying to justify a predetermined agenda via casuistry. Not
- always, of course, any more than any human institution, but as much as
- any organization of people might be. That being the case, I'd guess
- they have some explanation-- not necessarily one that satisfies you or
- me, but something somewhat more thought out than `because we say so'
- or `well, nonprocreative sex is _sometimes_ okay, as long as it
- doesn't involve latex'. :-) I suppose if someone is really
- interested he or she could head over to soc.religion.christian or
- bit.listserv.catholic and ask about there."
-
- Michael
- --
- Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS "Indeed I tremble for my country
- mss2@midway.uchicago.edu when I reflect that God is just."
- mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
- mschiffer@aal.itd.umich.edu Virginia (1784)
-