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- From: ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz)
- Newsgroups: alt.callahans
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Date: 19 Nov 1992 03:02:29 GMT
- Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA
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- P'relan writes:
- >Michael S. Schiffer writes:
- >> "Granted, science cannot operate in a world which is not
- >> uniformly lawful a large majority of the time. But the existence of a
- >> being or beings with the power to violate those laws does not
- >> invalidate science (though it might circumscribe its scope) so long as
- >> that power is not used to violate laws too often.
-
- >No, even one violation of the physical laws invalidates science. Extremely
- >limited intervention does not prevent science from being *useful* though it
- >remove any chance of it being correct which may be what you meant by not
- >invalidating science.
-
- Hmmm. Depends. Maybe you can expand science to cover the violations. In
- other words, if the rules as known are being violated, start studying when
- the violations occur. Then classify them, and start theorizing how such
- violations could occur.
-
- The only reason we can't study the rules outside the universe ('outside the
- pinball machine') is lack of access to this outside. By studying the actions
- of a being outside the machine, could we get some idea of the being's nature
- and thus the nature of the outside?
-
- The next time Jesus Christ shows up, I say we draft him and send him to
- Caltech to be studied! ;)
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