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- From: lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Speaker-to-Minerals)
- Newsgroups: alt.callahans
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Date: 18 Nov 1992 22:25:06 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- In article <1992Nov18.203953.4479@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
- =In article <1edn7hINNrsm@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- =->In article <1992Nov18.043643.16303@muddcs.claremont.edu>, dgreen@jarthur.claremont.edu (David Green) writes:
- =->=->Then again, why does believing in a deity or being a Christian, make you
- =->=->more moral than anyone else? Especially when empirical evidence doesn't
- =->=->show a clear cut difference.
- =->
- =->=Because I happened to draw my moral code from the teachings of the Bible. If
- =->=I didn't have the Bible, things might be different.
- =->
- =->That means that if someone behaves exactly like a Christian (except he doesn't
- =->go to church), then he's STILL less moral than the Christian? Who was it who
- =->said something like "By their fruits shall ye know them"?
- =
- =This person's attendance of church says absolutely nothing about his belief.
- =That's the important part.
-
- How about answering the question? If a person behaves in the manner that your
- moral code says is desirable, is that person moral even if he doesn't happen to
- be a Christian? And if the answer is "no," then what the hell happened to "by
- their fruits shall ye know them"?
-
- =->=I don't follow this point at all. I consider atheism and agnosticism to be
- =->=religions in that they are a series of beliefs about God.
- =->
- =->"I don't know" is now a belief?
- =
- =To answer a question with a question: How would an agnostic respond if I
- =were to ask, "What do you believe about God?"
-
- An agnostic would respond along the lines of "The question is ill-formed. I
- don't know whether or not god exists, so how can I possibly believe anything
- about it?"
-