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- From: mjmh@crsa.bu.edu (Michael J M Holmes)
- Newsgroups: alt.callahans
- Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
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- Date: 17 Nov 92 16:00:48 GMT
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- In article <1e78bdINNppi@gap.caltech.edu> ajm@wag.caltech.edu (Abner J. Mintz) writes:
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- >As another aside ... Christianity has historically been a missionary
- >religion (one of few). So you could say that someone who tries to 'spread
- >the word' is living up to some of the traditional values of the religion.
- >Similarly, since the Christian God is quoted as calling himself a jealous
- >God, it's unlikely that someone who believes those quotes is going to admit
- >the possible validity of other moral systems.
-
- /*, holding his (3rd? 4th?) grape crush, turns.
-
- "This is one of the most interesting topics that came out of my
- talks with my brother."
-
- "I had obviously been turned off by his preaching and arguing,
- but when we were able to talk rationally (and he didn't come off
- as believing 'Christian good. Non-Christian bad.'), we talked
- about why he does it."
-
- "He really feels a deep need to 'get' people to Jesus. He really
- feels that he 'personally' has been called by what God tells him
- through the Bible. Even when he knows people will react negatively,
- if he *doesn't* make an attempt to talk about Jesus, he feels like
- he is being a coward, or letting Jesus down. He *hadn't* realized
- how righteous he sounded when making those attempts, but the
- principle of making the attempt was still there."
-
- "So, our dilemma was in accepting each other's need to believe
- and express our beliefs as required. One good aspect of this
- discussion was that we decided that there were many ways my
- brother could be a disciple of his Christianity - and that
- constantly bringing up the Bible wasn't the only way."
-
- "If he kept talking 'Bible' to a friend who asked him not to,
- or even worse, if he stopped talking to friends who wouldn't
- let him talk 'Bible,' I pointed out that he ended up looking
- like a person who didn't know how to listen, or be supportive,
- or showed respect for another person."
-
- "I then asked him this question: If you have a friend whom
- you've turned off of the Bible because of the way you constantly
- beat him/her over the head with it; or if you 'drop' a friend
- because you don't think you can turn them into a 'Christian;'
- but if all that friend needed was a few years of a friendship
- with a non-judgemental person who behaved Christian without talking
- Christian - in order to become a Christian themselves; well, then
- which was really doing Jesus' will?"
-
- "This really sparked a lot of talk between us, and a lot of thought
- in him. Not only do individuals have different 'styles' of their
- religion, but you can't talk or act the same way to everyone you know...
- you need to be able to change your 'style' of communicating, based
- on what you 'hear' from the other person."
-
- "I know my brother still wants me to be a Christian. He no longer
- says it flat out, but we both know it is part of his belief - and
- we both accept it. We can talk about once-sensitive subjects, and
- we can grow in our understanding of each other's perspective. Just to
- give you a quick example - we have recently had a serious discussion
- about abortion that did NOT become heated!! We even discovered a point
- of agreement - that the politicization of the issue was NOT a good thing!"
-
- "I hope this helps people on both sides of the issue. I learned that
- I couldn't stop my brother's evangelizing impulse without seriously
- compromising his freedom of religion. My brother learned to evaluate
- the effect he was having on people, that his actions often speak
- louder than his words, and not to expect 'instant' results. We
- also learned to disagree and still respect each other. The compromise
- allows both of us to retain our beliefs, and still benefit from a
- good brotherly relationship."
-
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