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- From: mwasson@minnie.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Michael Wasson)
- Subject: Re: God and Science: The Ramblings of The Nightstalker
- Message-ID: <1992Nov17.013143.386@news.Hawaii.Edu>
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- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:31:43 GMT
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- >: = "Science and religion need not even butt heads. A very scientific
- >: =proof of the existance of God was given by Saint Thomas Aquinas I
- >: =believe. It was based on the principle of cause and effect. For every
- >: =effect there is a cause. Now if you trace all of these causes back to
- >: =the begining of time you reach a root caust the Motis Prime. The thing
- >: =which caused all following things to happen, This is God."
- >:
- >: StM says, "Interesting proof. If that proof is valid, then Aquinas could also
- >: answer the question, `What is the largest natural number?'"
- >
- >The point is (which I think StM is making here) that there isn't a Motis
- >Prime in an infinite recursion ... mediaeval thinkers took things like this
- >back until their heads (metaphorically!) exploded and they mentally gave up
- >and said "there MUST be a god". BUT, this uses "MUST" in the same way as a
- >child uses it in "There MUST be a Santa Claus".
- >
- >Thomas of Aquinas may have been a philosopher of note in his era (I doubt it,
- >or he'd be in The Song ;-)), but he waay predated (and no, I don't mean he
-
- "Wah! Don't tell that to a devout Catholic! (No, silly, I'm not talking
- about *me* I just mean in general ;-))"
-
- >hunted and killed) proper logical thinkers (No again, I am NOT referring to
-
- "Well, Aquinas, like the Medieval [sp?] philosophers in general, was raised
- on Aristotle (I *believe* through the work of Arab translators but maybe
- more indirectly) and Aristotle is the founder of modern logic."
-
- Gecko-boy thinks for a second. "No that doesn't make sense. Was the founder
- of *formal* logic and thus the great-grand-pappy of modern logic. BTW, his
- proof from causality was only one of five he offered. Does anyone remember
- the others?"
-
- >
- >The glass flies,
- >tumbles, catches stray light
- >and shatters on the hearth at last
- >
- > <Crash!>
- <crash!>
- Gecko-boy aka Mike
- ______________________________________________________________________
- Mike Wasson --- U.Hawai'i, Manoa --- Fat Messiah Games
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