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- From: mss2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer)
- Subject: Re: Science and god: Are they incompatible? If so, why?
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.072039.3429@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 07:20:39 GMT
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- In article <1e3lqaINNadv@gap.caltech.edu> lydick@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- > The Christian god, on the other hand, may pose some problems.
- > The god of those who interpret the Bible metaphorically and who allow
- > that their god is no longer in the miracle business is not in
- > conflict, as far as I can see, with science.
-
- > The god of the Pentecostal religions who is omnipotent and who
- > intervenes on almost a daily basis in the affairs of the world,
- > however, is another matter. Such a god renders the universe
- > unpredictable. Given such an all-powerful kibbitzer, the only
- > possible explanation for anything is "It's god's will."
-
- "I'd think there's a middle ground between `no longer in the
- miracle business' and `intervenes [implicitly `intervenes by
- detectably suspending natural law'] on almost a daily basis. Consider
- a simple universe: a pinball machine. From observations of the
- universe beneath the glass, one might be able to develop a
- sophisticated science of mechanics. But while one could develop some
- hypotheses as to when the flippers would flip, it would be impossible
- to reduce it to a science. Too many factors intervene. (We presume
- that the player is unknowable except in his manifestations as flipper
- movements; for this thought experiment we are limited only to the
- world of bumpers, lights, balls, flippers, etc. which exist within the
- limits of the pinball playfield.) The vast majority of the balls' motions is
- perfectly lawful (and almost perfectly Newtonian)-- but every so often
- an unpredictable factor is introduced into it, at intervals which are
- not known to the inhabitants (a ball can pass a flipper with no
- action, or a player could nervously work the flipper when no ball is
- nearby). Is science possible within the pinball universe?"
-
- Michael
- --
- Michael S. Schiffer, LHN, FCS "Indeed I tremble for my country
- mss2@midway.uchicago.edu when I reflect that God is just."
- mike.schiffer@um.cc.umich.edu -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on
- mss2@amber.uchicago.edu Virginia (1784)
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