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- From: mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf)
- Newsgroups: alt.california
- Subject: Re: relocation
- Message-ID: <1992Nov16.144700.4316@gdr.bath.ac.uk>
- Date: 16 Nov 92 14:47:00 GMT
- References: <1dp12pINNn7j@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> <1992Nov12.100452.17495@gdr.bath.ac.uk> <162@steiny.com>
- Organization: School of Mathematics, University of Bath, UK
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- In the referenced article, steiny@steiny.com (Don Steiny) writes:
- >mascdb@gdr.bath.ac.uk (C D Burdorf) writes:
- >
-
-
- > OK Chris, I won't ignore you. Now, don't get me wrong, I never
- >voted for a Republican in my life and I am not defending Bush. However,
- >I think that calling him a facist is ignorant.
- >
-
- Well, pusuing policies that have dumped thousands of people
- out of work (as Bush has done) isn't exactly humanitarian, is it?
- The Willie Horton ads definitely had racist undertones. The
- environment and educational system have been raped and neglected
- under Bush. The Republican party platform with it's anti-gay
- message had some real fascist sentiments as well.
-
- >
- > It is not 100% clear that one course of action is better or worse
- >in the long run. At least not at the time. Later with the hindsight
- >of history we may be able to tell.
-
- I think it's pretty obvious that when people are attacking
- minorities, favoring the rich, and are anti-environment (as Bush as done)
- that they are bad news. Apparently most Americans agree with me,
- becuase they voted the bozo out of office.
-
- >
- > To keep up on world affairs I read: The Economist, The Wall Street
- >Journal, The Christian Science Monitor, Mother Jones, Foreign Affairs,
- >Scientific American, The SF Chronicle, and several other newspapers and
- >magazines.
- >
-
- Why not try reading something more interesting like the Nation or
- the Progressive or even the Guardian?
-
- > For example, there is no question that communism collapsed. The
- >question to me is, "how much did Reagan's policies have to do with it?"
- >"Foreign Affairs" the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations (often
- >accussed by the right as being a communist run world government in and of
- >itself) has had articles saying that they did, including the Iraq war.
- >The Russians themselves also feel that Star Wars was instrumental in
- >bringing the arms race to an end.
- >
-
- But is the result any better? World economic slump. An
- unstable former Soviet block, huge budget deficits. I'm glad
- the Soviet Union collapsed. I despised it as much as anybody.
- I believe they would have collapsed anyway, but by accerlating
- the arms race, we chocked up huge budget deficts and pretty
- much slit the throat of the economy. Just ask Ross Perot.
-
-
- >
- > Facism was a popular movement. It was not so much a top-down
- >approach, but rather bottom up. People were in a recession there was
- >a bad economy, they blamed their problems on other races and nationalities.
- >
-
- Yeah, sort of like what's happening right now.
-
- > By blaming so much on Reagan and Bush, you sound like a facist your-
- >self.
-
- Sorry, but I think you just jumped over the edge. You've made
- a big jump from a somewhat logical argument into false name
- calling.
-
- >Facism was a simple solution that reduced complex issues to simple
- >slogans.
-
- You can say the same thing for religion, communism, etc.
-
- > History proved that the facist's alleged solutions to their
- >problems did not work.
-
- Unfortunately, history tends to repeat itself.
-
- > Likewise, simply deciding that everything Bush
- >and Reagan did was terrible and wrong and not bothering to learn is unlikely
- >to work in the long run.
-
- Sorry, but I just can't see anything good in a society
- where greed is the prime motivator.
-
- > I am more afraid that YOU will want to round people up and gas them
- >that that Bush or Reagan will.
-
- What planet are you from? You're paranoid.
-
- > You seem to have your mind made up and
- >do not want to cloud it with information.
- >
-
- Oh, so if I attack the right, then I must be crazy. Grow up!!
-