NetNews Usenet Archive 1992 #27/NN_1992_27.iso/spool/alt/bbs/7128

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Snyder)
Subject: Re: TBBS versus RA/Netware
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[e-mail] writes:

>TBBS has much flexibility in presenting menus/screens/file areas/etc.

I wouldn't go that far -- you for example, can't put the time/date
in the menus, nor can you have the menus spawn external applications.

It's someone flexible, yes -- but I wouldn't say "much"

>Doesn't have to be Desqview capable. Running RA under Desqview is only required
>because of the limitations of RA. TBBS runs multi-user without the requirement
>for the additional complexity/overhead of something like Desqview.

And TBBS ML donsn't support the execution of real time applications in
DOS, but RA does.  TBBS hogs  your computer -- makeing unusable for
anything else while callers are on-line.

>You 'believe' wrong. With Topic based messaging the number of message areas
>that could be defined is something on the order of 15,000,000 and there's
>really no limit to file areas, other than disk space :-).

And it doesn't support the conversion of usenet traffic in real time -- the
whole machine has to go down to single user mode --


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Larry Snyder                                    internet: [e-mail]
keeper of the Gator                                  uucp: uunet!gator!larry
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From: [e-mail] (Michael S. Pettersen)
Newsgroups: soc.motss
Subject: Re: Food for thought, was : Bear Crap
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (a flying squirrel) writes:
> Dave Kerlick writes:
>
>>>GDM:
>>>I realize we're probably not going to do away with the prejudice
>>>against "overweight" any time soon; but there is no reason
>
>>To put it in another light, how would tall people feel if they were
>>referred to in the media and by others as "overheight?"
>
> Your analogy does not wash, m'dear.  The common perception, right or
> wrong, is that people can control their weight through exercise and
> diet.  With vertical stature, one gets what one's genes dictate.  No
> amount of "Richard Simmons' Deal-A-Meal" would shorten (or lengthen)
> people.  Only a bandsaw could do that.

Choice or no choice, discrimination on the basis of height also exists.
It's well known, I think, that the taller candidate for president is more
likely to win; it may not be as widely known that there is a correlation
between height and wages (tall=$$$).

--
Mike Pettersen
[e-mail]
Perfect love casteth out fear.
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From: [e-mail] (CYCLOPS 2000-3D 22-Nov-1992 1048)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Nga^y Tho+
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Ba` no. da^~n ddu+'a con trai khoa?ng sa'u tuo^?i
ddi cho+. , bo^~ng tha^'y co' mo^.t con cho' ca'i
"co~ng" tre^n lu+ng mo^.t con cho' ddu+.c .

-Du+'a be' tha('c ma('c :

    - Hai con cho' ddang la`m gi` va^.y ma' ?

    - A`, chu'ng no' ddang la`m "cho' con" dda^'y con a`!

Va`i ho^m sau tha(`ng be' va`o pho`ng cu?a bo^' ma' no' ...

    - Bo^' o+i, bo^' ddang la`m gi` vo+'i ma' the^' ?

Ngu+o+`i cha gia? nho+`i :

    - Bo^' ma' ddang la`m "em be'" dda^'y ...

     - Bo^' o+i, la^.t ma' ngu+o+.c la.i ddi ! Con muo^'n
      co' "cho' con" co+ ...

T.M
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From: [e-mail] (Chua Hak Lien)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.asean
Subject: A message to Fluffy
Followup-To: poster
Date: 22 Nov 1992 16:17:02 GMT
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This message is for Ms Candy Lee, account aq668hela.ins.cwru.edu


Still wearing diapers?
If you want to dish it out, better learn how to take it as well, hor? =)

Chua
+==+
PS: Apologies for the bandwidth
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From: [e-mail] (Maria Swietorzecka)
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Subject: XXII Kongres Technikow Polskich
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W ostatnim "Przegladzie Technicznym" przeczytalam artykul na temat
XXII Kongresu Technikow Polskich". Sytuacja inzynierow w Polsce
nie wyglada zbyt ciekawie. W opublikowanych dyskusjach przebija
wola zmiany prestizu spolecznego tej grupy spolecznej i zaoferowanie
swego doswiadczenia i intelektu dla dobra rozwijajacej sie III
Rzeczypospolitej.

Dalej w dyskusjach jest wiele zalu pod adresem rzadu, ze nie stwarza
odpowiedniej atmosfery dla umozliwienia rodzimej  kadrze technicznej
szansy wykazania sie i stania sie prawdziwa elita wiadaca kraj do dobrobytu.

Chetnie dowiedzialabym sie czegos wiecej na ten temat. Kongres ma sie odbyc
w dniach 27-28 listopad. Warto wiedziec co technicy polscy chca zaproponowac
rodakom.  Mam nadzieje, ze caly ten zapal nie skonczy sie takimi
obowiazkami/przywilejami jak np w Kanadzie, ze tytul profesjonalnego inzyniera
bedzie niezbedny, do poswiadczenia tozsmosci osoby ubiegajacej sie o paszport.

Maria Swietorzecka
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From: [e-mail] (Anh Ha`o)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.vietnamese
Subject: Re: Song request
Keywords: You mean everything to me
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   I am looking for the lyric of the song "You mean everthing to me".
If any kind soul out there have it, could you please e-mail me a copy?
Thanks
Tony
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From: [e-mail] (Anh Ha`o)
Subject: Re:testing
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Keywords: Testing
 This is only a test, please ignore.
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From: [e-mail] (Moises Carrasco-Forcada)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.spain
Subject: Re: nueva devaluacion de la peseta
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Me cago en Solchaga!!
Y este inepto es que repite una y otra vez que no se necesita devaluar
la peseta!
Se la voy a meter por el c...!

perdonad pero me estan alterando los nervios.

Moises
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From: [e-mail] (Morris J. Schwartz (gt7491a))
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Mathematical Proof of G-d?
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Date: 22 Nov 92 16:03:25 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Roth) writes:

>Pi != Pi means, not Pi factorial equals Pi, but Pi is not equal to Pi.

>!= is a CS notation for not equal.

It actually means "Pi _is_very_equal_ to Pi"

>David
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From: [e-mail] (Gavan Tredoux)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: TODAY IN AFRICA.
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Date: 22 Nov 92 15:00:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (Nicholas R. Swart) writes:
: Most North Americans are terribly ignorant about the rest of the world
: including Africa. Not only that, what little they do know is incredibly
: biased by what they see on the television. I was always amazed when coming
: to Canada that I knew more about Canadian history and geography than
: Canadian students! I kid you not! And what little they knew of Africa was
: pure 'politically correct' rot.

Tell it like it is. Nice to see some straight shooting in this group
for a change.

Gavan Tredoux
UCT
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From: [e-mail] (Brendt Wohlberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african
Subject: Re: Kou-wa-banga Afrikana! (was Re: Walt Mweene Disney does UCT)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Mukasa) writes:
> A small note on posting in Afrikkans.
> if I came from a culture that esposed laws that had been condemed by the
> world and had the blood of tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives on
> its hands, I would not be raising my head in pride.  Since most of the
> people who READ and not necessarily POST here  are probably Africans who
> identify and empathise with the oppressed majority in South Africa, I
> would suggest you help the healing process by refraining from angering
> readers on this net.

While the majority of Afrikaaners probably supported apartheid, this doesn't
make apartheid a part of Afrikaaner culture. Should Iraquis avoid using their
language so as not to offend Kurds? Perhaps Croats might be offended on
reading/hearing Serbian? Are you aware that a section of the oppressed majority
(the 'coloured' community) actually speaks Afrikaans?

If you've read their English postings, you'd see that most (or all) of the
Afrikaaners that post here do not support apartheid. Why should they abandon
their culture/language because of what other Afrikaaners have done?

I haven`t noticed anyone else offended by the use of Afrikaans - most of the
comments were along the lines of `use a language we all understand, or at
least translate.'


--
Brendt Wohlberg
Electronic Engineering Department
University of Cape Town
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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Tom Holub) writes:
>
>I don't have a copy of the Usenet group creation guidelines with me,
>but they are quite explicit on this point; discussion belongs in
>news.groups, not in the affected newsgroup.  A RFD should be posted
>to all interested groups with followups set to news.groups.  This
>is to allow people who aren't interested in the discussion to ignore
>it, and to force people to work harder to get a successful CFV; the
>newsgroup creation process is intended to make it as difficult as
>possible to create new groups.
>
>In short, Alan's procedures are by the book, except perhaps for
>his self-nomination for moderator.  The idea still rots, however.

Gee Tom, you've kindof put me into a catch-22 situation.  First you
advocate, no direct, me to post an RFD and further stipulate that ALL
discussion takes place on news.groups.  With that in mind, where was I
supposed to begin a discussion as to who would like to be a moderator?

Or maybe the interpretation of an RFD could be that it is just a
proposal, subject to modification.  So it really doesn't matter
who originally gets nominated for moderator.

Which is it Tom?  In any case your point about my self-nomination for
moderator is moot.


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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Robert Hill) writes:
>Alan D. Cabrera writes
>> Where do I say that my idea is mainstream?  As I told you via personal
>> email I posted the RFD, request for DISCUSSION, because I wanted to
>> discuss the idea.  I tried to discuss it on r.g.n and all I got was
>> some flippant answers and a recomendation that if I was serious to post
>> an RFD; so I did, after several positive email responses for the
>> split.  I don't understand why everyone is taking this so personally.
>
>You didn't say that it was mainstream.

Thank you.  I'm tired of people conveniently leaving out contexts for
their own benefit.  Let me quote you:

In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Robert Hill) writes:
>
> My recommendation is for alan to scrap the idea and to discuss possible
> future reorganizations on rec.games.netrek to see what the readers want
> out of rec.games.netrek, instead of assuming that his idea is the
> mainstream.


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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (Mr. Heiji Horde) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]:
>>> I for one wouldn't mind an UNmoderated rec.games.netrek.programmer.  Just
>>> one, no moderation.
>>The reason I would like to see it moderated is so that it the group would
>>stick to the topics at hand.  A moderator also goes a long way in culling
>>FAQs that are frequently posted by new readers.
>
>But I thought you were going to put the FAQs in the .announce group. Sorry,
>  but if there is going to be a .programmer group, it had better damn well
>  be unmoderated.
>Alan, we are so sorry that there are people out there who are human and
>  don't always stay on topic. My opinion...DEAL WITH IT! If you don't want
>  to deal with people going off the topic, why didn't you make the ENTIRE
>  rec.arts.netrek* heirarchy moderated???

Gee Heiji, after reading such a strong argument against moderating
.programmer, what with all those great big capital letters and triple
punctuation marks, I'm begining to wonder why have anything moderated?
Goodie, I finally have an excuse to post hundreds of RFDs with
proposals to unmoderate groups.

>>Ummm, fascist-sounding?
>
>Yes, "fascist-sounding". Might have been less so if you hadn't listed
>  yourself as moderator for those two groups. *yawn* But we've beaten
>  that to death...

I listed myself as one of the moderators, asking for others.  If I
wasn't allowed to talk about it on r.g.n, how was I supposed to solicit
moderators?


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From: [e-mail] (Alan D. Cabrera)
Newsgroups: news.groups
Subject: Re: RFD: rec.games.netrek reorganization
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (J. Scott Farrow) writes:
>[e-mail] (Alan D. Cabrera) writes:
>
>[...]
>>> Before you completely write off his proposals, keep in mind that he's trying
>>> to make our lives easier by taking the initiative and doing something.  I
>>> think he could've presented it in a less fascist-sounding manner, but I
>>> don't see anything wrong with talking it over.
>
>>Ummm, fascist-sounding?  I believe that it is of the same formal tone
>>as other RFDs.  As a matter of fact I used an RFD for the splitting of
>>linux as a template.
>
>At least in comp.os.linux, there was a real honest-to-goodness discussion
>(argument) about whether a split is needed, as opposed to your one-sided, one-
>supporter proposal. Hell, the traffic in comp.os.linux must be 10 times that
>in rec.games.netrek anyway. They need to be thinking about a split.
>rec.games.netrek does not have the traffic to warrant a split.

You've obviously neglected to read my previous posts or chose not to
reference them to your advantage.  I was told to post an RFD and no one
objected until I actually posted the damn thing.  With that in mind,
how does the above response relate to the tone of my RFD?

Seperating the wheat from the chaff, it's a good argument against a
split.


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From: [e-mail] (Eric S. Raymond)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.sysv386
Subject: Re: How does a mortal become a UNIX WIZARD ?
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In <[e-mail]> Ade Barkah wrote:
>
> What does it take for a man, er, person, to become a Unix Wizard ?

Oh, Nobly Born: know that the Way to Wizardhood is long, and winding,
and fraught with Peril.  Thou must Attune thyself with the Source,
attaining the arcane Knowledge and Conversation of the System Libraries
and Internals.

> Which bibles should we study ? (after memorizing O'Rileys to become
>   an X Wizzie ?)

Oh, Nobly Born: the O'Reilly books are but the palest shadow, the
outermost Portal of the True Enlightenment.

If thou desirest with true desire to tread the Path of Wizardly Wisdom, first
learn the elementary postures of Kernighan & Pike's _The_Unix_Programming_
Environment_; then, absorb the mantic puissance of March Rochkind's _Advanced_
Unix_Programming_.  Immerse thyself, then, in the Pure Light of Maurice J.
Bach's _The_Design_Of_The_UNIX_Operating_System_.  Neglect not the Berkelian
Way; study also _The_Design_Of_The_4.3BSD_UNIX_Operating System_ by Samuel
Leffler, Kirk McKusick et. al.  Consider also the dark wisdom to be gained from
contemplation of the dread _Portable_C_And_UNIX_Systems_Programming_, e'en
though it hath flowed from the pen of the mad and doomed Malvernite whom the
world of unknowing Man misnames "J. E. Lapin".

These tomes shall instruct thy Left Brain in the Nature of the UNIX System;
to feed the other half of thy head, oh Nobly Born, embrace also the Lore
of its Nurture.  Don Libes's and Sandy Ressler's _Life_With_UNIX_ will
set thy feet unerringly upon that Path; take as thy Travelling Companion
the erratic but illuminating compendium called _The_New_Hacker's_Dictionary_.

(In this wise shalt thou travel the Way of the Camel.)

> How many kernels (and which ones) we need to take apart and reassemble ?

Oh Nobly Born: this question reveals that indeed thou hast touched upon the
Ineffable Truth about UNIX --- that thou canst not Plumb its Mysteries by
mere Study but must become One with it through Practice.  The true Way to the
Knowledge of the Source is not the timid and footling way of the Student,
but the Divine Foolery of the Hacker.  Hack, then; strive against Mighty
Problems, have joy in your Striving, and let the Crashes fall where they
may (maintaining the while, for the Good of your Karma, a Rigorous Backup
Policy).

(In this wise shalt thou travel the Way of the Lion.)

In this day of Boot-Time Autoconfiguration and Dynamically Loadable Device
Drivers, reassembling a Kernel is no longer the daunting test and seal of
Mastery that it once was.  However, writing and verifying your own Device
Driver for some piece of Exotic Hardware is still a worthy challenge to
thy Budding Guruhood.

> Some doth say that the only way thou shall gain salvation is to
> partake in the (sacrireligios) ceremony of rewriting Unix from
> scratch.

Sacrilegious, oh Nobly Born?  Nay!  Certainly the Source is the Inmost
Mystery of UNIX --- but there is a Mystery beyond that Mystery.  The Nature
of UNIX inhereth not in any one version but in the Design Tradition of which
all UNIXes are Evolving Parts.

The Rite of the Rewrite is not the only Path to Mastery, but it is perhaps
the highest and most Sacred of all Paths.  Few indeed are those who, travelling
it, have crossed the dark and yawning Abyss of Implementation to Delivery.
Many, yea, many in truth stagnate yet in the Desert of Delay, or linger ever
in the ghastly limbo called Perpetual Beta.

> So, oh, mylord, how does a mortal become a Unix Wizard ?

Oh Nobly Born: learn, and seek within yourself.  Cultivate the cunning of
the Serpent and the courage of the Tiger; sup deeply from the Wisdom of
those who came before thee.  Hack, and hack again; grow, by trial and by
error.  Post thy best hacks to the Net and gain in Repute thereby.  Also, oh
Nobly Born, be thou grave and courteous in thy speech; be helpful to those
less than thee, quick to ponder and slow to flame.

If thou dost these things faithfully, if thou travellest with high heart
and pure intention, soon shall thy callow Newbiehood be shed.  By degrees
imperceptible to thyself shalt thou gain Power and Wisdom, striving and
doing all the while.  Gradually shall thy puissance unfold and deepen.

Oh Nobly Born, if thou dost all these things, thy Wizardhood shall surely come
upon thee; but not of a sudden, and not until after thy arrogant Mind hath
more than half forgotten that such was its aim.  For know this --- you may not
by yourself in Pride claim the Mantle of Wizardry; that way lies only Bogosity
without End.

Rather must you Become, and Become, and Become, until Hackers respect your
Power, and other Wizards hail you as a Brother in Wisdom, and you wake up and
realize that the Mantle hath lain unknown upon your Shoulders since you knew
not when.

(In this wise shalt thou travel the Way of the Child.)

> (next question: how does a newbie become a net.personality ?)

Oh, Nobly Born: not by trying...
--
                    Eric S. Raymond <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail] (John Hascall)
Subject: Re: printf() & fork() ......
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[e-mail] (Ming-Chuan Huang) writes:
~void main() {
~    printf("Hello ");
~    if (fork() == 0) printf("world\n");
~}
~result: Hello Hello world

~void main() {
~    printf("Hello \n");
~    if (fork() == 0) printf("world\n");
~}
}result: Hello
         world
~is there anybody who knows the difference between the two programs ?

Yes.

John
(hint: try comp.unix.questions)

(useful hint: `line buffered')
--
John Hascall                   ``An ill-chosen word is the fool's messenger.''
Systems Software Engineer
Project Vincent
Iowa State University Computation Center  +  Ames, IA  50011  +  515/294-9551