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Date: 7 Jul 1993 18:06:45 GMT
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Archive-name: games/roleplay/part2a
Last-Modified: 6/1/93

A new section, about this topic has been added, Part 2b.  It discusses in
general the fight GAMA and specifically Mike Stackpole have been winning
against BADD and other antigaming groups.

[due to popular demand (i.e. some have complained that part 2 of the general
 FAQs was too big), I have removed the questions about gaming/evil/satan/etc.
 into a separate FAQ.  Numbering begins at 1. ]

1: I have a problem with a friend of mine. He is active in his church and
   feels strongly that any Fantasy Roleplaying Game is Evil. What can I
   tell him?

A0: Roleplaying is an escapist activity that requires a good imagination,
    but it is not recommended for those with a poor grip on reality.  It
    does not make weirdos, it simply attracts them. That aside...

    I have SIX different answers for you. You can pick and choose,
    depending on which one is most applicable to your own situation.

A1:    [e-mail] (Deus Imperator) replies:

       Tell him this story:

       A young boy with STRONG roots in christianity became disenchanted
       with religion in general as he grew up. He fell into very
       antisocial behavior (thieving, pyromania). While in high school,
       he ran across a kid who knew a LOT about magic, and played D&D.
       Our disturbed hero fell in with this crowd, and soon was playing
       D&D regularly. He always played evil characters.

       Now this poor soul never really read for pleasure. In fact, *all*
       that he had read for the past three years was _First Blood_ and
       _Rambo_. One of the players recommended the Dragonlance series to
       him. He loved it, empathizing with Raistlin 100%. He read the
       first book in one night, bought the next two, read BOTH in one
       night, and begged his DM to give him more. His pleas were
       granted: Thomas Covenant; Dune; David Eddings; Tolkien. Soon this
       maladjusted youth began writing himself, specializing in poetry.
       He expanded his reading range, including such great works as Les
       Miserables, all of Joyce, and, oh yeah, the Bible. Indeed, our
       wayward youth regained his faith, and now this year published a
       book of poetry, dedicated to me: The DM. True story.

       Oh, yeah. For what it's worth, he wants to become a priest.

A2:    [e-mail] (Dan Kopes) replies:
       Have the religious "friend" read _Le_Morte_D'Artur_ by Malory
       (or Steinbeck's version). And then have him watch the Family
       Channel's animated version of the Prince Valiant comic. It's on
       Mondays at 8pm.

       Yes, you read right. Pat Robertson's Family Channel is running a
       new show based on the Prince Valiant comic. It's a little cheesy
       but it would be a good way to show a religious person that the
       Arthurian Legends are not satanic literature. Because it is from
       these stories that most frpg's formed. Dragons, knights, damsel
       in distress... all of these came from the Arthurian Legends. So,
       if one set of armored warriors, pious priests, and knowledgeable
       wizards are OK to read, then why isn't another group?

       I made a list of crucial elements that were in the first several
       episodes of Prince Valiant, all of these are also the backbone of
       most RPGs:

          1) Evil baron defeats good guys and exiles them from their home.
           - What!? A religious channel is saying that the bad guys win?!
           - In FRPs this is the plot hook that sets the good guys into
             doing something to regain the home.

          2) Prophetic dreams
           - sounds like Robertson's channel is delving into mysticism.
           - Used in FRPs to nudge the adventurers into going the right
             way.

          3) Spell casting - by swamp witch and Merlin
           - It seems it's OK to pretend that spells exist in stories...
           - One of the spell casters is a good guy so this throws out the
             idea that magic is evil or satanic...only some of it is.
             And the good guys do NOT use the evil magic.

          4) Authority figures can be evil and corrupt
           - another baron suppresses his people and forces the blacksmith's
             daughter to marry his wimpy brother.
           - In FRPs this sets up a lot of adventures...the good guys have
             to overthrow the abusive leader.

          5) Monsters are real and dangerous to let live...
           - The very first episode had a giant lizard, probably meant as a
             dinosaur or dragon.
           - In FRPs monsters as opponents are a staple in an adventurer's
             diet. They have to be killed/defeated for the greater good.

       Now, have your religious "friend" watch this show which is
       broadcast nationally on a religiously affiliated network.
       Robertson himself has spoken out against Fantasy Roleplaying
       Games, but he broadcasts a TV show that is very similar to most
       FRP campaigns.

A3:    Many people seem to think that Fantasy Roleplaying is inspired by
       black magic and Necronomicon-like grimoires. In fact, J.R.R.
       Tolkein's _Lord of the Rings_ and _The Hobbit_ and the world of
       Middle Earth, which are primary influences on almost all
       Roleplaying games, were primarily inspired by Christian
       (Catholic, to be precise) ideas.

       J.R.R. Tolkein was a devout Christian, and a close friend of C.S.
       Lewis, one of the great Christian thinkers of our (or any) time,
       and writer of the fantasy and science fiction classics
       (respectively) The Chronicles of Narnia and the trilogy
       comprising "Out of the Silent Planet," "Perelandra," and "That
       Hideous Strength." Some of Lewis's work in "That Hideous
       Strength" is acknowledged inspiration from Tolkein's writing (not
       to mention a large dose of Christian theology).

       From: <[e-mail]> (Tony Vasquez)
       " A peek inside the Jerusalem Bible (pub. 1966; a Catholic translation)
       will reveal, as a "principal collaborator in translation and literary
       revision" J.R.R. Tolkien. "

       Yes, Virginia, Christianity and fantasy can coexist.

       Another FRP-like Christian fantasy is _The Faerie Queen_ by
       Edmund Spenser, with the Red-Cross Knight and other allegorical
       characters engaging in typical FRP exploring and monster killing.

       Roleplaying gamers should also emphasize that their games exist
       in a moral world (that is, of course, if their players do not
       regularly play evil or psychopathic characters) and that
       wrongdoing and skullduggery usually rebound on the bad guys.
       Despite the fact that TSR strongly discourages evil player
       characters -- providing scenarios that are aimed almost
       exclusively at good and neutral alignments -- most critics think
       that players are all thrilling in immoral deeds.  They don't
       realize most of us play the good guys, in the white hats, who
       ride off into the sunset after the last scene.

A4:    Finally, one of the things that humans enjoy the most is telling
       or listening to a bashing good story. Jesus was well known for
       telling stories, as have been many very holy men and women
       through history.

       Fantasy Roleplaying Games are just another way of telling
       stories, which may or not be objectively good, but are generally
       enjoyed by the participants and certainly involve lots of
       bashing.

A5:    In case you are being persecuted by those who think they are
       only doing the christian thing by trying to convert you from
       what they see as a satanist or evil conspiracy to the only
       right and true way you may find the following arguments to be
       useful.

       Pierre Savoie of CaRPG supplied the following refutations of
       commonly quoted "facts" used by the anti-roleplaying set.

       The original claim of a teen committing suicide due to D&D was a
       hoax. In 1979 James Dallas Egbert III disappeared from Michigan
       State University, as described in a book by the detective on the
       case, William Dear (THE DUNGEON MASTER, 1984, Ballantine,
       biographies). Dear rambles a lot and he may be dramatizing too
       much, but he made headway not from talk about D&D played in
       underground "steam tunnels" on the campus, but only after he
       contacted a man who was keeping boys as young as 11 in his
       apartment, who claimed to know where Dallas was. It turns out the
       boy was 16 years old and in his sophomore year, a genius but also
       lonely, on drugs, and gay. He "ran away from it all", got stoned
       down in those tunnels, and staggered over to the home of a gay
       friend. This person got nervous when later the police search
       started, and Dallas was shuttled from gay to gay until he ended
       up in Louisiana with "friends". It could have been a prostitution
       ring involving juveniles.
          Dear's only concern was to bring the boy back, so he kept the
       facts hidden for 5 years until he wrote the book. For that
       reason D&D continued to be blamed, esp. nine months later when
       Dallas committed suicide (probably out of embarrassment). I
       don't know how far to trust Dear's account, particularly because
       of his choice of title to "market the book better".

       The very first published anti-D&D writings were from the Rev.
       John Torrell in 1980 (Christian Life Ministries, now called
       European-American Evangelistic Crusades, in Sacramento, CA).
       Torrell claimed that "these players go nuts with it! They start
       confusing fantasy with reality." That's an ironic claim in view
       of his own published "political" views in his newsletter, THE
       DOVE. In 1986 to the present, he claims that Ronald Reagan
       secretly surrendered the U.S. to the Soviet Union at the Iceland
       Summit in 1986, with a five-year transition period before the
       Russians assumed complete control. Well, guess who surrendered to
       whom! He has also claimed that George Bush's membership in the
       Order of Skull And Bones fraternity at Yale means that he has
       devoted his life to Satan! Torrell also claimed that the logo for
       the Seoul Olympics was a cyclic "666" symbol, and many other
       inanities. A perfect conspiracy theorist. Torrell's radio show
       got kicked off one radio station for making anti-Catholic
       remarks, but he wound up on another station.

       The famous woman who claims her son killed himself due to D&D,
       Patricia Pulling of Richmond, Virginia, is in league with some
       pretty questionable people. It seems she's a sort of guest
       director of the National Coalition on Television Violence (NCTV)
       run by Dr. Thomas Radecki from near Chicago. This man has put out
       loony claims that people are severely influenced by violent acts
       seen on TV, and counts the number of violent acts per hour.
       According to his criteria, The Smurfs average 13/hr.! He also
       says tickling, snowball fights, Donald Duck cartoons, the
       Christian Broadcasting Network, etc. are all bad for the mind,
       and that anger should be suppressed because "only God has the
       right to be angry", in flagrant opposition to the catharsis
       theories of his psychiatric discipline.
          Now, every issue of THE NCTV NEWS has a margin column where a
       "partial list of endorsers" is listed. Notice that it's
       "partial", so they want to bring out what they feel are the most
       notable names who "support" them. One of these names is Prof. J.
       Phillippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario, in
       London, Ontario, Canada. This professor published his theories of
       a "race hierarchy" where Blacks were rated inferior to Whites,
       and both ranked below Orientals. He got some of his funding from
       an American group called the Pioneer Fund, which is said to be
       racist.
          And yet he is listed as a notable endorser of Pat Pulling and
       Thomas Radecki from 1985 to at least 1989! This raises the
       possibility that various little "causes" such as D&D-bashing are
       really to raise funds for what REALLY interests these groups...
       hatred and racism.

       The only Catholic tract against the game of D&D had to be pulled
       out of religious bookstores--because of its sources of
       information. This was called "Games Unsuspecting People
       Play--Dungeons and Dragons" by The Daughters of St. Paul Press in
       Boston (light green cover, sub-digest size, 24 pages or so) and
       authored by Louise Shanahan.
          Originally this was from a Canadian Catholic magazine called OUR
       FAMILY in Battleford, Saskatchewan, re-made into a tract.
       However, two of their "sources" of information on the game were
       the Rev. John Torrell and also Albert James Dager (who calls
       Catholicism the "Babylon Mystery Religion", claiming it's a mix
       of true Christianity and Babylonian rituals such as communion and
       the confessional). Since both of these were anti-Catholic, the
       tract was discontinued, and the DSP will no longer accept any
       manuscripts from Louise Shanahan! She obviously didn't research
       these sources sufficiently.
          I did, and gleefully pointed it out to the publisher, which
       withdrew the tract.

       In the book CRUEL DOUBT by Joe MacGinnis, he seems to claim that
       D&D was the link between Chris Prichard and the friends he asked
       to help him kill his step-father. In fact, they ALSO went to the
       same school (North Carolina State) and lived in the SAME dorm,
       but these common factors were somehow not considered contributory
       to their conspiracy the way D&D-playing was. The motive for the
       killing, in these recessionary times, was greed for an
       inheritance, not drugs or game-playing.
          Interestingly, a lot of attention is focused on the 70 cases a
       year in the U.S. of kids who murder their parents. The number of
       parents who murder their kids in the same time is 2000! (see IN
       PURSUIT OF SATAN)

       If videos of Sean Sellers (a teen on death-row in Oklahoma) are
       presented on THE 700 CLUB as testimony of the link between
       violence and D&D, it is only because videos are all they can come
       up with. They can't link up with him live--because he no longer
       claims that D&D caused his crime!
          In a letter dated Feb. 5, 1990 from Sean Sellers to game designer
       Michael Stackpole, Sellers concluded with, "Personally, for
       reasons I publish myself, I don't think kids need to be playing
       D&D, but using my past as a common example of the effects of the
       game is either irrational or fanatical."
          Remember, people on death row are opportunists. They will claim
       that UFOs tampered with their brains and this caused them to
       kill. They will claim most anything to get parole, and who can
       blame them? Of course, as more judges and wardens are
       D&D-players, such a claim will not be possible within 10 years.
       In this case, concerning D&D, familiarity will kill the contempt
       against the game rather than 'breeding contempt'. Only distance
       and ignorance breed contempt against the game. The more the game
       is known, the less people make claims against it!

       TSR Inc. does a little to debunk anti-D&D claims, and an
       organization of game manufacturers called the Game Manufacturers'
       Association (GAMA; c/o Greg Stafford; Chaosium Inc.; 950A 56th
       St.; Oakland, CA; 94608) has done a lot to research these claims.
          However, there is now a fan-based organization I helped to found
       in 1988 called the Committee for the Advancement of Role-Playing
       Games (CAR-PGa). The principal people are as follows:

       William Flatt
       8032 Locust Ave.
       Miller, IN
       46403 tel. [phone] [very dedicated to the issue because
       his father assaulted him for playing D&D, with a vacuum cleaner
       pipe]

       the Rev. Paul Cardwell, Jr.
       c/o Hippogriff Books
       111 E. 5th St.
       Bonham, TX
       75418 [a gamer who prefers Chaosium-style rules, author of the
       MYTHWORLD game, and an ordained United Methodist minister
       (teaching, not preaching) aged 58!]

       Mr. Pierre Savoie
       22-B Harris Ave.
       Toronto, ON
       M4C 1P4 CANADA tel. [phone] [age 30, analytical chemist by
       trade. I initially kicked off CAR-PGa with some diligent research
       on the exact groups which criticize D&D. Sometimes jokingly
       called "Head of Research" in the organization because I have 5
       feet deep of files and correspondence on the subject.]

       The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation did a radio show on their
       AM network in the "Ideas" series, Canada's most intellectual
       radio program, entitled "Dungeons and Dragons" (aired May 29,
       1991). It concluded as follows:
          "The National Coalition on Television Violence and BADD say
          they have a hundred and twenty-five cases of D&D-linked
          deaths. Only forty of these cases have been published and half
          of those are anonymous.
             The ones they do cite details for have no causal link with
          games. In every trial where Mrs. Pulling and Dr. Radecki have
          appeared, always as expert witnesses on the defence side, the
          defendants were convicted anyway, and in no case adjudicated
          by the courts has gaming ever been implicated in any crime."
             This is not some schlock show, and transcripts are offered
          for most of their programs, including this one, for 5 Canadian
          dollars per airdate. To order, indicate the title and airdate
          of the show and send CDN$5 or equivalent to: CBC IDEAS
          Transcripts; P.O. Box 500, Station "A"; Toronto, ON; M5W 1E6;
          CANADA.
          I assisted a little in the research for the show, and you may
       find it a refreshingly positive broadcasting of the facts about
       game-playing.

       There are at least two books in print so far which debunk
       anti-D&D theories in the context of "Satanism". These are:

          SATANISM IN AMERICA: How the Devil Got Much More Than His Due
          by Shawn Carlson and Gerald Larue, 1989 by Gaia Press (P.O.
          Box 466; El Cerrito, CA; 94530-0466; tel. [phone]) It
          is spiral-bound, 280 pages and the price is $12.95
          (Californians add .94 tax) plus $1.50 postage.
             50 of these pages is a special appendix by game designer
          Michael Stackpole of Chaosium Inc. directly dealing with the
          anti-D&D claims.

          IN PURSUIT OF SATAN: The Police and the Occult by Robert Hicks
          (1991 by Prometheus Books; 700 East Amherst St.; Buffalo, NY;
          14215; tel. [phone]). Hardcover, 420 pages, US$23.95
          plus maybe $3 postage. 25 pages devoted to D&D by this
          criminal analyst, plus additional chilling references. For
          example, in Chicago there is a wing of the Hartgrove Hospital
          called for the Center for the Treatment of Ritualistic
          Deviance. It's influenced by silly Satanism seminars, and one
          of the criteria for being a potential patient is "heavy
          involvement in fantasy and role play [sic] games". Therefore,
          a young teen can be "hospitalized" here with the consent of
          his parents for being a D&D-player--all legal and proper!
             This book was given a favourable review in an editorial in the
          July 1991 DRAGON, by Michael Stackpole, who curiously did not
          mention his own involvement with the first book.]

       --> generic!pnet91!pro-micol![e-mail]
       (Pierre Savoie; Micol Labs BBS; Toronto. A.k.a. DRACONIAN)

a6: From [e-mail] ("Mars, the Bringer of War")

     As a fairly devout Southern Baptist who has been playing for
     over a decade, I can sympathize with your question and have
     heard that particular arguement before.  The central flaw in
     the line of reasoning is assuming that the play of rpg's,
     whether evil or not, leads people into evil.  This is a classic
     fallacy which can be applied to the Church itself:  if people
     associate Christianity with horrible atrocities of the past,
     such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Jewish pogroms, the
     Crusades, and many other massicres which I am the first to
     admit occurred and were condoned by the Christian Church or by
     prominent Christians; then surely by being an active Christian
     you are telling people that you support these things?  As
     should by readily apparent, the actions of a person or group do
     not always reflect at all upon the nobility of the cause they
     claim to espouse-in this case, some of the most loathsome acts
     in human history being committed in the name of what I consider
     the most noble cause.  The case with role-playing games is
     similar.  A few twisted people have committed acts which are
     highly antisocial, and some people have placed the blame on
     rpg's, perhaps in effort to avoid their own responsibility for
     the actions of themselves or their children, etc.  Obsessive
     behavior of any sort is the sign of serious emotional problems,
     and placing the blame on rpg's is absurd.  A simple look at the
     facts will indicate that far more suicides/killing sprees/etc.
     are committed in the name of parential pressure, peer pressure,
     depression, and similar causes than could ever be linked to
     rpg's, and even in those cases, this blame is just a convenient
     excuse for avoiding those, most sensitive problems (John
     committed suicide?  It couldn't have been his parent's constant
     pressure to do well in school, it must've been those rpg's...)
     In the context of Christian belief, rather than avoid these
     issues, it is our duty to educate people out of their
     ignorance, rather than to just allow it to continue.  Arguing
     that playing rpg's condones sin is a ridiculous arguement, and
     merely demonstrates ignorance of what gaming is all about.

     Mars

From: [e-mail]
Date: 7 Jul 1993 18:07:51 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Message-ID: <21f3dn$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce,news.answers,rec.answers

Archive-name: games/roleplay/part3
Last-Modified: 3/26/93

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Notes:          The champions archive is now active and accepting submissions.
                There are already many characters, stories, plots, and gadgets,
                but we're always looking for more. To submit anything, place it
                in the tmp/ directory, and send mail to [e-mail]
                telling him what it is, and into which sub-directory it should
                go.
                directories:    Bases.Vehicles.Gadgets/  Misc/  Characters/
                                Plots-Stories/  Organizations/

Name:           The Jayhawk series archive sites
Address:        ftp.white.toronto.edu
                potemkin.cs.pdx.edu [ftp.cs.pdx.edu]
Info Updated:   1-May-1991
Notes:          Mary Kuhner's <[e-mail]> Jayhawk series
                of stories (high quality shadowrun writeups) are available in
                several archive sites. Mary has offered to mail the stories if
                you can't get to one of the servers.

                site1:     ftp.white.toronto.edu
                file:      /pub/frp/shadowrun/jayhawk

                site2:     potemkin.cs.pdx.edu  [ftp.cs.pdx.edu]
                directory: /pub/frp/stories/jayhawk


Name:           iesd.auc.dk FTP server
Address:        iesd.auc.dk (130.225.48.4)
Contact:        Soren Parbaek <[e-mail]> or
                              <[e-mail]>
Info Updated:   3-Dec-1991, good until 31-Jan-92
Notes:          Contains: Archive site for the Rolemaster list, Complete
                scenarios to misc. roleplaying games, the
                net.plot.books, a list of rpg-clubs in Denmark and info
                on danish conventions. Submissions to Soren Parbaek or
                in the incoming directory.


Name:           Marshall U. FTP server
Address:        quayle.mu.wvnet.edu (129.71.32.151)
Contact:        Phil Smith <[e-mail]>
Info Updated:   4-Mar-1992
Notes:          Restricted to non-work hours Eastern Standard/Daily Time.
                Use the /pub/rpg and /pub/rpg/dnd directories, and incoming
                goes to /pub/rpg/incoming. The Midnight's Bane stories are
                in /pub/rpg/uploads/Midnights_Bane.

Name:           Northern Arizona University anonymous FTP server
Address:        rainbow.cse.nau.edu (134.114.64.24)
                ftp.nau.edu
Contact:        William E. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Info Updated:   15-dec-1991
Notes:          Currently has general info for Traveller and
                MegaTraveller. Plans to expand offerings by including
                programs and game aids for Rolemaster, MERP, CoC, Dark
                Conspiracy, Cyberpunk and other game systems. If you
                would like to submit something of yours, just e-mail a
                description to the contact.

Name:           University of San Diego anonymous FTP service
Address:        teetot.acusd.edu
Contact:        Jerry Stratton <[e-mail]>
Info Updated:   January 22, 1993
Notes:          Currently includes space for AD&D, Shadowrun, and Brand X
                (an original superhero roleplaying game). This is the
                distribution point for the Neo-Anarchists Guide to
                Everything Else, the net.book for shadowrun players.
                Formerly the USDCSV and Beelzebub site.

*****
Name:               Tiamat ftp site
Address:  tiamat.umd.umich.edu
Info Updated:       10/23/92
Notes:              All submissions should go into the /uploads dir,
                    2-3 days for a submission to be processed.
                    Processed files in /pub/frp

Quoting Mike Suzio (the maintainer):

          I'm hoping to make this site a Champions archive, since potemkin
          gets so little traffic, and I *know* there should be at least
          a few people out there with ideas for champions.

          Oh - I'm asking that all uploads be accompanied by a text file
          explaining what they are (especially with binaries; I don't have
          the time to run everything to find out what it is), and that
          you send me ([e-mail]) mail before uploading
          anything over 2 megs or so, just as a courtesy. Thanks.

Name:          RuneQuest Digest archive site
Address:       soda.berkeley.edu (128.32.149.19)
Contact:       Shannon Appel <[e-mail]>
Notes:         An archive of the old issues of the RQ Digest


Name:          GARFIELD.CATT.NCSU.EDU
Address:       GARFIELD.CATT.NCSU.EDU (152.1.43.23)
Directory:     /pub/DND/*           /incoming/Dnd.stuff/*
Notes:         Small source of misc. AD&D stuff.  (9/15/92) [Thanks Adam Dray]

Name:          FTP.FUNET.FI
Address:       FTP.FUNET.FI (128.214.6.100)
Directory:     /pub/misc/roleplay/*
Notes:         Well-maintained Finnish site.  Extensive RoleMaster.  Some AD&D
               and AD&D DM programs, misc. character sheets, fiction,
               star maps.  (12/5/92)  [Thanks Adam Dray]

MAIL ARCHIVES

Name:           GRASS-SERVER
Address:        [e-mail]
Contact:        [e-mail]
Info Updated:   14-Sep-1991
Notes:          GRASS is a project to explore Generic (i.e. usable for any
                game system) Religions and Secret Societies for roleplaying
                games.

                Archives of GRASS and of the Mythos Delvers lists, and
                interesting postings from rec.games.frp and other newsgroups
                which are appropriate to GRASS may be retrieved via the
                GRASS-SERVER. To use the GRASS-SERVER, send mail containing the
                command HELP within the subject line and/or the body of the
                mail message to the server address. Address comments to the
                administrator.


Name:           ADND-L FILELIST
Address:        [e-mail]
Info Updated:   9-May-1991
Notes:          Most of the net spell books are available here. all you have to
                do is send a mail file or BITNET style interactive message to
                that address. Each line of the mail message should include a
                single command. The most important command to know is GET. The
                second most important command to know is INDEX, which will give
                a listing of the available files. Maybe you should start with
                the HELP command.

                Some of the files on the server include:

                GNSB MAGIC           the great net.spellbook
                MAGIC ITEMS          the magic items list
                POISON DIGEST        the poisons list
                TOME MAGIC           tome of
 might magic
                CANTRIPS DIGEST
                MONSTER MANUAL       fairly small monster manual

Name:           Australian FRP Archive
Address:        yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au in /pub/frp/
Contact:        Aaron Wigley <[e-mail]>
Info Updated:   09-Dec-1992
Notes:          This site contains mirrors of Shadowrun sites, for
                Australian users. Submissions should follow guidelines
                shown when connecting to the site about uploading
                material. Please limit your accesses to between 0800 GMT
                and 2300 GMT (1800 - 0900 AEST).


From: [e-mail]
Date: 8 Jul 1993 12:34:57 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Message-ID: <21h49h$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce,news.answers,rec.answers

Archive-name: games/roleplay/part7
Last-Modified: 3/23/93

NET BOOKS

One class of article which is typically not posted to rec.games.frp.misc
is the net.book. Though they are occasionally posted to
rec.games.frp.archives, you may be more likely to find them at an ftp
site or other archive. Here is a list of net.*.books, along with the
names of the designated compilers, names of archive sites where known,
and a short, opinionated description.

Contents:
        Net.Spell.Book
        Net.Prayer.Book
        Net.Plots.Book
        Net.Traps.Book(s) (two different collections)
        Net.Fantasy.Character.Book
        Net.AD&D.Character.Book
        Net.GURPS.Spell.Book
        Net.Resources.Book
        Net.Forgotten.Realms.Book (Tome of the Forgotten Realms)
        Net.Sphere.Book(s)
        Net.Bard.Songs.Book (V1 and V2)
        Net.Shadowrun.Book
        Net.Monstrous.Compendium
        Net.Fiction.Story
        ADND-L Lists of Net.*.Books

FAQ KEEPERS

In addition to the general FAQ (of which this is part 7, there are other
FAQ (frequently asked question lists) which are maintained by other members
of the net community.

Contents:

**        Shadowrun FAQ
**        GURPS FAQ
**        ADND FAQ
**        The General FAQ

=============== NET.BOOKS ====================================
q1)   Where do I find these?
a1)   Check the FTP and Archive Sites FAQ.  Many of these appear on Greyhawk
      or CCOSUN (q.v.).

Name:           Net.Spell.Book
Compiler:       Boudewijn Wayers <[e-mail]>
Description:    A collection of D&D like spells for magic users. They
                are stored in Zoo'ed, uuencoded format if you get them from
                Boudewijn, so unless you are an old pro at BBS play you better
                look in one of the other archives for them.


Name:           Net.Prayer.Book
Compiler:       Boudewijn Wayers <[e-mail]>
Description:    A collection of D&D like spells for priests. They
                are stored in Zoo'ed, uuencoded format if you get them from
                Boudewijn, so unless you are an old pro at BBS play you better
                look in one of the other archives for them.


Name:           Net.Plots.Book (2 volumes complete, 3rd in progress)
Compiler:       Aaron `Phrixus' Sher <[e-mail]>
Archived:       GRASS-SERVER among others
Description:    A list of plots for roleplaying games in order
                from shortest plots to longest ones. some of them are very
                good. An overabundance of liches in the first. No liches
                in the second.


Name:           Net.Traps.Book(s) (two different collections)
Compilers:      James C Phillips <[e-mail]>
                Michael Sloves <[e-mail]>
Updated:        1-Jan-1992
Description:    A list of traps for dungeons. includes these
                categories, maybe more, Creator, Location type, Trigger
                Type, Trigger Description, Effect Type, Effect, Disarming,
                Game system if necessary.


Name:           Net.GURPS.Spell.Book
Compiler:       Raven <[e-mail]>
Archived:       eklektik.cs.pitt.edu
Description:    A list of spells for the standard GURPS magic system.
                the first collection is pretty well done, with only a few
                munchkin bait spells. The second collection is under way now.
** eklektic is no longer available, watch for an update soon! **

Name:           Net.Forgotten.Realms.Book (Tome of the Forgotten Realms)
Compiler:       Chris <[e-mail]>
Description:    All things forgotten from the Realms. As such,
                plotlines, folklore, new places, NPCs, monsters, and even
                PSEUDO-Fluff are all acceptable submissions. The
                compiler is also looking for information to put in
                Net.books for Greyhawk, Dragonlance, Ravenloft, and
                Spelljammer.



Name:           Net.Bard.Songs.Book
Compiler:       Jeff Gostin <[e-mail]>
Archived:       sandman.cco.caltech.edu, greyhawk.stanford.edu
Description:    A bunch of mostly goofy bard songs. Pretty good. Absolutely
                fits the definition of "fluff".  Versions 1 and 2 are available
                in ASCII only on the above sites.


Name:           Net.Shadowrun.Book
Compiler:       Jerry Stratton <[e-mail]>
Description:    _The Annual Neo-Anarchists' Guide to Everything Else_ is
                coming your way soon. Jerry is looking for Regional
                Descriptions (your home town, chummer!), New Spells,
                Spirits, Cyber, Equipment, Skills, Adventures, Creatures.

                [29-Jun-1992] The First and Second Annual Neo-Anarchists
                Guide to Everything Else are now ready. You can get it
                via ftp at teetot.acusd.edu in the directory /pub/Beelzebub/
          Role-Playing.
                These are in RTF.

Name:           Net.Monstrous.Compendium (LaTeX only currently)
Compiler:       Robert Chrisitian <[e-mail]>
Description:    A collection of AD&D monsters to be used with the 2nd Ed
                rules.  Submissions and requests for the compendium always
                welcomed.

Name:           Net.Fiction.Story
Compiler:       [e-mail]
Archived:       suphys.physics.su.OZ.AU rpghelper/net.fiction.story
Description:    Up to the minute-proofread and edited version of the
                Net.Fiction Story in LaTex format.  Files are allofit.tex (for
                the LaTex version) and allofit.tex.z for the compressed version
                of the same.

    *      *      *      *      *      *      *      *      *      *

Name:           ADND-L Lists of Net.*.Books
Compiler:       Freeman MacCleane <[e-mail]>
Description:    A list of projects begun and/or announced fairly
                recently on the ADND-L mailing list, all centered around the
                xD&D game(s).


============= FAQ Keepers ===================================================

Name:               Shadowrun FAQ
Keeper:             Wordman ([e-mail])
Posting:            Monthly (or more often when needed)

Name:               GURPS FAQ
Keeper:             Kevin Wong <[e-mail]>
Notes:              Quoted from the Keeper:

          GURPS FAQ has changed hands as far as maintaining the list.

Name:               ADND FAQ
Keeper:             Chris Warren ([e-mail])
Posting:            Monthly

Name:               The General rec.games.frp.* FAQs
Keeper:             [e-mail] (Coyt Watters)
Posting:            Monthly (June-August), Biweekly during quarters,
                weekly at beginning of fall quarter.
Notes:              Email me with any changes to the 8 (soon to be 9) part
                    general FAQ.  Typos, corrections, suggestions, submissions
                    all cheerfully received by my automated mailer, then
                    scowlingly inserted somewhere into the FAQ.


From: [e-mail]
Date: 8 Jul 1993 12:34:07 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Message-ID: <21h47v$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce,news.answers,rec.answers

Archive-name: games/roleplay/part4
Last-modified: 6/1/93

MAILING LISTS AND DIGESTS part 1/2

In addition to rec.games.frp, there are a number of mailing lists and
digests on the net which may be of interest to role-playing enthusiasts.
The difference between a mailing list and a digest is that a digest is
collected, edited, and distributed by an editor, while a mailing list
simply forwards all incoming mail to a list of subscribers. Mailing
lists tend toward high volume with many digressions; digests tend toward
low volume with high signal-to-noise ratios.

Note that some forums are available only for a monetary charge. I do not
wish to include them in this posting, and will not do so knowingly. I
appreciate anything you can tell me about the forums in this resource
list.

Contents:
        The RuneQuest (tm) Digest
        MULTI USER DUNGEON (MUD) List
        Flashlife
        The Tekumel Digest
        The Elfinkind Digest
        The Pern Digest
        Stafnord RolePlayers (digest)
        BattleTech digest
        Fimbulwinter Newsletter
        Abandon Babylon
        ADND-L
        GMAST-L
        ROBOTECH - Robotech Mecha Listserv Group
        Conflict Simulation Games List
        SHADOWRN -- discussion of the Shadowrun fantasy game
        SHADOWTK -- Interactive fiction
        MYTHUS-L -- Dangerous Journeys

Digests
-------

Name:           The RuneQuest (tm) Daily/Digest
Contact:        [e-mail] (Henk Langeveld)
Trouble:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Archived:       FTP from Runequest Digest archives (q.v.)
                Automated access via GRASS-SERVER (q.v.)
Info Updated:   Fri May  7 09:41:39 MET DST 1993
Notes:          The RuneQuest Digest is courtesy of Henk Langeveld
                ([e-mail]).
                Originiall started by Andrew Bell ([e-mail]) as the
                RuneQuest Digest back in 1988,  it deals with all
                aspects of the RuneQuest Role Playing Game.

                An important aspect of RuneQuest is the game world
                of Glorantha, discovered by Greg Stafford in 1966, and
                still being developed by people all over the world.
                Many people from the RQ "incrowd" are subscribed to
                the RQ Daily or Digest.

                Discussion focuses on the rules rewrite currently
                going on, and on the world of Glorantha.

                RuneQuest (RQ) was created by Chaosium, Inc. and is
                published by Avalon Hill, the current trade mark
                owner.

Name:           MULTI USER DUNGEON (MUD) List
Contact:        [e-mail] <Joseph Wisdom>
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   4-Apr-1991
Notes:          If you are new in the MUD world, or are simply looking for new
                places to get into, try subscribing to Internet Games MUD-List
                today! Make sure to include the string "mud list" in the
                subject header.

Name:           Flashlife
Contact:        [e-mail] (Carl Rigney)
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Archived:       Mail from [e-mail]
Info Updated:   15-Aug-1991
Notes:          A Digest for GMs of Shadowrun and other cyberpunk roleplaying
                games to discuss rules and scenarios, ask questions, make up
                answers, and similar fasfax.

Name:           The Tekumel Digest
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active

Archived:       anonymous FTP from:
                rainbow.cse.nau.edu in /rpg/tekumel (uncompressed)
                potemkin.cs.pdx.edu in /pub/frp/tmp (compressed)
                quayle.mu.wvnet.edu in /pub/rpg/uploads (compressed)
Info Updated:   15-dec-1991
Notes:          This mailing list exists to discuss the world of
                Tekumel, the fantasy world invented by M.A.R. Barker in
                the roleplaying games "Empire of the Petal Throne" and
                "Swords and Glory", and the DAW novels "Man of Gold" and
                "Flamesong".

                Anything related to Tekumel is welcome: game
                modifications, accounts of campaigns, questions,
                fiction, tables, NPCs, tips for converting to new game
                systems, etc. Listeners as well as contributors are
                welcome. This list is in digest format and is mailed
                when submissions warrant it (weekly if possible).

Name:           The Elfinkind Digest
Contact         [e-mail] (R'ykandar Korra'ti)
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   2-Apr-1992
Notes:          I run a small mail-based digest for elves and interested
                observers. It has been in existence for a couple of
                years now, but has not been posted about in public
                before. We have an open membership policy, so if you're
                interested in being added to the distribution list,
                please let me know. Details will be made available upon
                request.

Name:           The Pern Digest
Contact         [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   15-Mar-1992
Notes:          For those who are interested: the Pern digest is now in
                existence. It's still in its very early stages so bear
                with the moderator -- it'll take time to get going.
                Please put "Pern" or "Pern mailing list" in the subject
                of any messages you send Malcolm about the mailing
                list/digest.

Name:           Stafnord RolePlayers (digest)
Contact:        [e-mail] (Pierre Uszynski)
List:           No automated mailing. Send to the contact/editor.
Archived:       Partial, no automated access yet.
Info Updated:   6-Mar-1992
Notes:          Stafnord RolePlayers (SRP) is an open informal gaming
                group dedicated to role-playing games on the San
                Francisco peninsula (California, USA). SRP itself does
                not organize games, the game masters do. SRP provides a
                forum for scheduling games, finding players, finding
                game masters, sharing worlds and systems, etc... SRP
                generates a weekly newsletter to keep everybody aware
                of upcoming and ongoing games. We email 3 pages weekly,
                plus supplements at the beginning of new games.

Name:           BattleTech digest
Contact:        [e-mail] (Glen Davis)
List:           No automated mailing. Send to the contact/editor.
Archived:       mail to [e-mail]
Info Updated:   2-Apr-1992
Notes:          This list is a forum for the discussion of Battletech
                and related games such as Renegade Legion. Mail messages
                are grouped and mailed out periodically.


Name:           Fimbulwinter Newsletter
Contact:        [e-mail]
Trouble:        [e-mail]

List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Archived:       All.  Request in mail.
Info Updated:   24-Sept-1992
Notes:          Fimbulwinter is a playtester newsletter dedicated
                to discussion of Ysgarth and To Challenge Tomorrow from
                Ragnarok Enterprises.  It includes a question and answer
                section, articles on world background, examinations of
                game mechanics and previews of upcoming releases.
                It was originally conceived and designed as a newsletter
                for playtest groups, but it is now also available to the
                general net public.  It can also be subscribed to in hard
                copy at $5 for 4 issues from Ragnarok Enterprises at
                POB 140333, Austin, TX  78714.

Name:           Abandon Babylon
Contact:        [e-mail]
Trouble:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Archived:       All.  Request in mail.
Info Updated:   24-Sept-1992
Notes:          Abandon Babylon is a topical news and info zine on Popes &
                Princes and other strategy games from Ragnarok Enterprises.
                It includes a question and answer section, articles on world
                background, examinations of game mechanics and previews of
                upcoming releases.
                It was originally conceived and designed as a newsletter
                for playtest groups, but it is now also available to the
                general net public.  It can also be subscribed to in hard
                copy at $5 for 4 issues from Ragnarok Enterprises at
                POB 140333, Austin, TX  78714.

Mailing Lists
-------------

The next few items are BITNET mailing lists. To join any of them,
send a mail file to the CONTACT address where the first line of the mail
file consists of the command:

        SUBSCRIBE <listname> <your-name-here>

        (e.g. "SUBSCRIBE GMAST-L John Doe")

Your successful subscription request will prompt the list-server to send
you a mail message with complete information on how to sign off the
mailing list and make other changes to your subscription. Read it and
keep it, or you'll be kicking yourself later when you're snowed under by
mail and don't know how to stop it.

Send actual submissions to the LIST address. Do NOT send requests to
sign off, requests for help, etc. to the list--you'll only succeed in
annoying people. Do not send submissions to the contact address
; it is a simple-minded program which will reject them.

Name:           ADND-L
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991
Notes:          The ADND-L mailing list is for the discussion of all aspects of
                TSR's Dungeons and Dragons (D&D) and Advanced Dungeons and
                Dragons (AD&D) role-playing games. A full archive of this
                list *might* be available through LISTSERV on UTARLVM1.

Name:           GMAST-L
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991
Notes:          The GMAST-L mailing list was originally created for the
                development of computer RPG aids, but it metamorphosed into a
                mailing list covering the concerns of the role-playing game GM
                (Game Master). Pretty much every role-playing game on the
                market has been discussed at some length, as have the various
                facets of ole-playing game design. (Most D&D discussion goes
                to ADND-L, however.) Limited archives are available, if you
                know how to use the LISTSERV database search functions.

Name:           ROBOTECH - Robotech Mecha Listserv Group
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991

Name:           Conflict Simulation Games List
Contact:        [e-mail]
TNET or [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991
Notes:          CONSIM-L is a new list to provide an unmoderated environment
                for discussion of historical conflict simulation games,
                particularly the games published in Strategy and Tactics and
                Command magazines, but also including boxed games from such
                publishers as The Avalon Hill Game Company, Victory Games, and
                Game Designers Workshop.

                The explicit purpose of CONSIM-L is to provide a platform for
                discussion of recently published games, but discussion can
                range over the general topics of conflict simulation design,
                military history, tactics and strategy, game collecting,
                convention and club announcements, or any other topic related
                to conflict simulation games. As is the case on all unmoderated
                lists, the discussion and topics are only limited by the
                participation and interest of its subscribers.  Subscribers
                are welcome to take an  active role by posting and/or an
                inactive role by monitoring the list. Although not necessary
                for participation, it shall be assumed that all subscribers
                are basically familiar with board wargames.


Name:           SHADOWRN -- discussion of the Shadowrun fantasy game
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
List Owner:     Brett Barnhart <[e-mail]>
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   4-Mar-1992
                SHADOWRN is a list for the discussion of the game Shadowrun.
                This can be questions, comments, stories (fluff), anything to
                do with the game Shadowrun.

                Archives of SHADOWRN can be listed by sending the command INDEX
                SHADOWRN to [e-mail]

Name:           SHADOWTK
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
List Owner:     R Andrew Hayden <[e-mail]>
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   January 22, 1993

                SHADOWTK, bitnet convention for ShadowTalk, is a Listserv
                devoted to the role-playing game Shadowrun, which is published
                by FASA.

                Shadowrun takes place in the year 2054 and centers in the city
                of Seattle.  ShadowTalk is an attempt to emulate the public
                communications networks presented in the game.

                An FAQ is posted monthly and is available from the owner.

Name:           Dangerous Journeys: Mythus Mailing List (Mythus-L)
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           Given when subscribed
List Owner:     [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   1/8/93
Notes:          This mailing list exists to provide free and available
                support for the GDW Dangerous Journeys: Mythus Role
                Playing Game System. An FTP site is forthcoming and we
                appreciate any files relating to the game you
                can send us! Please send all submission of files to the
                listowner.

                To Join:
                Send a message to: [e-mail]
                Text of message: SUBSCRIBE MYTHUS-L <real name>
                If you put HELP on another line in the text you
                will get some help on other listserv commands.

From: [e-mail]
Date: 8 Jul 1993 12:34:26 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Message-ID: <21h48i$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce,news.answers,rec.answers

Archive-name: games/roleplay/part5
Last-modified: 6/1/93

MAILING LISTS AND DIGESTS part 2/2

The next large group of entries describe Internet mailing lists.
Some of them allow automated subscriptions and/or archive retrieval,
others do not. To join, send electronic mail to the address listed under
"Contact:". Send submissions to the "List:" address.

Contents:
        Traveller Mailing List
        Ars Magica Mailing List
        GRASS (Generic Religions and Secret Societies   )
        Champions mailing list
        TORG
        Call of Cthulhu Mailing List
        Warhammer Mailing List
        CAMELOT mailing list
        VAMPIRE Mailing List
        IFGS Mailing List
        Forgotten Realms Mailing List
        Interactive Literature Foundation (ILF) mailing list
        Warhammer 40K Mailing List
        San Francisco Bay Area Gamer's Mailing List
**      Miniatures Mailing List
        Ravenloft Mailing List
        Amber Mailing List
        The Wizards of the Coast announcement list
        The Talislanta discussion group
        The Primal Order discussion group
        The Experts development group
        The Rivals of Estedhil development group
        The Art of Game Mastering development group
        The Military Order development group
        GURPS Announcements
        GURPS discussion group
        Chaosium Digest
        The FRP Portable Tools Project

** - new or changed entry.

Name:           Traveller Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail] (James T.Perkins)
List:           List address made available once a new member has subscribed.
Archived:       FTP from ftp.engrg.uwo.ca (129.100.100.12)
Info Updated:   February 5, 1993
Notes:          The Internet Traveller Mailing List is intended for the
                discussion of the Traveller Science Fiction Role Playing
                Game, published by Game Designers' Workshop. All variants of
                Traveller (Traveller 2300, MegaTraveller, The New Era), and
                Traveller games (Snapshot, Trillion Credit Squadron, etc.)
                are included, too. Discussion is unmoderated and open to all
                facets and levels of Traveller discussion. Listeners as well
                as contributors are welcome.
                Past messages are available via anonymous FTP from
                ftp.engrg.uwo.ca (129.100.100.12) in the /pub/traveller
                directory. The list manager can retrieve old articles, too
                (but try the automated sources first, please). The archive
                site is graciously administered by Dan Corrin
                <[e-mail]>.


Name:           Ars Magica Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Archived:       FTP from soda.berkeley.edu
Info Updated:   12-Mar-1992
Notes:          An FTP-able archive exists at soda.berkeley.edu in
                the pub/ars_magica directory. Send requests for archive info to
                Shannon D. Appel <[e-mail]>.

Name:           GRASS (Generic Religions and Secret Societies)
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Archived:       Mail to [e-mail]
Info Updated:   29-Jun-1992
Notes:          The GRASS (Generic Religions and Secret Societies) mailing list
                is a small working group formed in order to write up religions
                and secret societies for use in role-playing games. Both
                real-world and fictional religions and secret societies are
                covered. Before you join GRASS you must demonstrate that you
                are serious about at least occasionally producing something
                useful by producing a substantive original writeup of a
                religion or secret society in some format or another and
                sending it to [e-mail]. Once you have sent your
                first writeup in you will be added to the mailing list. We do
                have a preferred format for write-ups. In order to get a copy
                send mail to [e-mail] with a subject line
                of GET GRASS.FORMAT You do NOT have to join the mailing list in
                order to see what the mailing list produces. Anyone can use the
                mail archive server to retrieve articles or discussion logs.
                Archives may be retrieved via GRASS-SERVER. To use the
                GRASS-SERVER, send mail containing the command HELP within the
                subject line and/or the body of the mail message to:
                [e-mail]

Name:           Champions mailing list
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active:
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991
Notes:          The list manager asks that new subscribers include their
                address (preferably in domain notation) in their subscription
                request.


Name:           TORG
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Archived:       FTP from morticia.cnns.unt.edu.
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   15-Aug-1991
Notes:          An Internet mailing list to discuss the possibilities of the
                Infiniverse. For information, send email to the contact
                address. On the subject line, type the single word "help". This
                mailing list is also gatewayed to the usenet newsgroup
                alt.games.torg.  To subscribe, send email to the contact
                address. On the subject line type "subscribe" (or "sub"). No
                parameter is necessary for the subscription command.
                Optionally, you may type your name after the subscription
                command. It will be visible on the list along with your
                address. Optionally, also, you may give the command "subscribe
                -".  This hides your address from others on the list.  To
                unsubscribe, send your request to torg-request. The subject
                line and/or the first line of the mail should read:
                unsubscribe {user}
                where {user} is the address that you wish to unsubscribe.  Torg
                archives are available via anonymous ftp in pub/lists at
                morticia.cnns.unt.edu. You may make submissions in the
                directory pub/lists/submissions  The list is coordinated by
                Clay Luther    ([e-mail]).


Name:           Call of Cthulhu Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   12-May-1991
Notes:          A mailing list for discussion about *the* horror frp. CoC.


Name:           The Warhammer Mailing List
List:           [e-mail]
Contact:        [e-mail]
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Status:         Active?
Info Updated:   13-April-1993
Notes:          For the discussion of Games Workshop's Warhammer Universe, the
                Old World,  Warhammer Fantasy Role Play, and Warhammer Fantasy
                Battle. The Warhammer mailing list is running ListMan 1.0b List
                Manager software.  To subscribe, send email to the above
                request address and as the first word on the subject line or
                any line in the text of the message put the word "sub". You may
                also include a parameter with the sub command.  This parameter
                will be treated as your *real* name, not your address (which is
                determined from your mail headers).  You may also send
                wfrp-request other commands, not the least of which is "help".

Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   15-Jun-1991
Notes:    A new mailing list on the subject of Arthurian legend and Grail
          Lore. The 'Matter of Britain', as it is known, in all its
          guises and all related subjects will be discussed in an
          unmoderated mailing list. Camelot is a forum for discussion of
          all Arthurian fields of interest.  The mailing list is new
          (started on 11 Jun 1991) and is run by Chris Thornborrow, a
          (new) member of the Pendragon Society who has studied Arthurian
          legend and Grail Lore for quite a while.

Name:           VAMPIRE Mailing List
List:           [e-mail]
Contact:        [e-mail]
Administrator:  Bob Slaughter <[e-mail]>
Archived:       anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu in pub/vampire
Info Updated:   5-jun-1992
Notes:          There is now a mailing list dedicated to the White Wolf
                Role-Playing game, "Vampire". To subscribe, send a message
                containing "sub <addr> vampire" to [e-mail]. To
                UNSUB, send a message containing "unsub <addr> vampire" to the
                listserver as well. The <addr> is optional, in case you want to
                receive the list at a different mailing address.


Name:           IFGS, International Fantasy Gaming Society
Contact:        Greg Trotter <[e-mail]>
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   03-Sept-1991
Notes:          This is a FidoNet/Internet email list for the promotion and
                discussion of Live Action Roleplaying games, mainly of the IFGS
                variety (but we LOVE to hear about other games like SIL/ILF,
                The Fantasy Alternative, The Great Escape, etc.)


Name:           The Forgotten Realms Mailing List
Contact         John Feldmeier <[e-mail]>
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         active
Info Updated:   12-Jan-1992
Notes:          Anything involving the Forgotten Realms is accepted.


Name:           Interactive Literature Foundation (ILF) mailing list
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   20-Sep-1992
Notes:          This mailing list is for the discussion of live action role
                playing, most often the type not covered by IFGS-style games,
                but open to all discussions of interactive literature (another
                name for live action role playing games!).  US Mail address for
                the ILF:
                PO Box 196
                Merrifield, VA 22116-0196
                The ILF's quarterly journal is called METAGAME and articles
                about live action role playing are always welcome!  Send
                articles to: [e-mail].  Other questions about the ILF
                should be sent to: Terilee Edwards <tnc![e-mail]>
                Ilf-info is NOT a function of nor is it sponsored by the
                Interactive Literature Foundation and never really has been.
                It is a mail repeater run by Tom Jewell of Cruel Hoax
                Productions (an IL game production group) as a public service.
                Tom is not associated with the ILF and merely sponsors the list
                for fun.

Name:           The Warhammer 40K Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Admin:          Greg Williams <[e-mail]>
Status:         Active
Info Updated:   12-Jan-1992
Notes:          Reviews of 40K books as they come out, preferably from
                more than one source. Other people's armies in detail. A
                section on paint schemes and markings. New equiptment.
                Houserules. Discussions of tactics in 40K. What's worked
                for you in the past, Space Marine, etc.

Name:           The San Francisco Bay Area Gamer's Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]  (D. J. McCarthy)
List:           List adress made available once a new member has subscribed.
Archived:       No
Info Updated:   23-SEP-1991
Notes:          The Bay Area Gamer's mailing list is for discussion and
                information-spreading about various role-playing, board, and
                war games and conventions throughout the 408, 415, and 510 area
                codes.

Name:          The Miniatures Mailing List
Contact        [e-mail]
Status:        Inactive
Notes:         The Figures Mailing List was an archived mailing list for
               discussion of painting, sculpting, converting, and
               displaying of miniature figurines, generally for
               wargaming or fantasy role-playing games, and generally in
               the smaller scales (15mm-30mm).

               Back issues are still available from an archive server.
               For information, send e-mail to
                  [e-mail]
               with subject
                  HELP

Name:           Ravenloft Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           to be given with new member information
Archived:       ftp from tybalt and greyhawk
Info Updated:   20-April-1993
Notes:          Chat about doomful things in general, centered around TSR's
                campaign world of Ravenloft. Archived materials include
                reviews, discussion, monsters, magic items, computerized sound
                files, etc.

Name:           Amber Mailing List
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           [e-mail]
Listowner:      [e-mail]
Moderator:      Cliff Winnig
Archived:       not at this time
Info Updated:   11-Nov-1992
Notes:          This list is for the discussion of the Amber Diceless
                Role-Playing Game and the Amber novels, and is completely
                unmoderated.
Mod-Quote:      I'd like to publicly thank Dave Martin for doing a wonderful
                job as the list's founder and first administrator!

Name:           The Wizards of the Coast announcement list
Contact:        [e-mail]
List:           not applicable
Moderator:      Peter D Adkison <[e-mail]>
Notes:          This mailing list is used for general announcements and press
                releases.  Posting to this list should only be done by WotC
                personnel.  Membership on this list will keep you informed of
                forthcoming WotC products, changes in management, and so forth.
                Mail volume is kept light, and all messages clearly state the
                intent of the message right at the beginning so people can skip
                to the next message if they're not interested.
Requirements:   None.  We recommend that everyone who has any interest in
                Wizards of the Coast at all join this mailing list.


Name:           The Talislanta discussion group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Beverly Marshall Saling ([e-mail])
Notes:          Free form discussion of the Talislanta game system and
                universe.

Name:           The Primal Order discussion group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Peter D Adkison <[e-mail]>
Notes:          Free form discussion of *The Primal Order.*  The author of the
                book is the moderator of the group.

Name:           The Experts development group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Peter D Adkison <[e-mail]>
Notes:          This group focuses in on the task of writing integration notes
                for converting gaming stats from some system-independent
                platform to various game systems.  The integration notes for
                *The Primal Order,* and the upcoming *Pawns: The Opening Move*
                were written by this group.  If you're a rules-lawyer this is
                the place for you.
Requirements:   Thorough knowledge of at least one game system in print.

Name:           The Rivals of Estedhil development group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Jonathan Tweet <[e-mail]>
Notes:          This group is for playtesting and critique of the *Rivals of
                Estedhil* module being written for Wizards of the Coast by
                Jonathan Tweet (*Ars Magica, Talislanta, Over The Edge*).  This

               module is for the Primal Order line.
Requirements:   Familiarity with *The Primal Order.*

Name:           The Art of Game Mastering development group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Ken McGlothlen <[e-mail]>
Notes:          Development group for discussion, critique, and research
                involving the forthcoming book by Ken McGlothlen, *The Art of
                Game Mastering (TaoGM).*

Name:           The Military Order development group
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        [e-mail]
Moderator:      Peter D Adkison <[e-mail]>
Notes:          Development group for discussion, critique, and research
                involving the forthcoming capsystem by Peter Adkison,
                *The Military Order.*

Name:           gurps-announce-ext
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        on approval of subscription
Moderator:      Laird Popkin ([e-mail])
Notes:          gurps-announce-ext, is for occasional GURPS product and
                playtest announcements and things along those lines.

Name:           gurps-ext
Subscription:   [e-mail]
Posting:        on approval of subscription
Moderator:      Laird Popkin ([e-mail])
Notes:          gurps-ext, is for general GURPS discussion.  It's a small
                list right now, intended for "serious" discussions of GURPS
                issues.  The current topic of discussion is "what should be
                in the next edition of the GURPS Basic Set."

Name:           Chaosium Digest
Contact:        [e-mail]
Notes:          The Chaosium Digest shall specifically be a forum for all
                of the great Chaosium games that do not already have a
                place of discussion.

                This includes (but is not limited to): Basic Role Playing,
                Call of Cthulhu, Elric!, Elfquest, Hawkmoon, Pendragon,
                Ringworld, Stormbringer, Superworld, Worlds of Wonder,
                Arkham Horror, Perilous Encounters and Stomp!

                The Chaosium Digest will NOT include articles for games
                which already have forums of discussion.  As far as I know,
                this only includes Runequest right now (all discussion on
                Runequest should be directed to the excellent RuneQuest
                digest, administered by Henk Langeveld).

Name:          The FRP Portable Tools Project
Contact:       [e-mail]
Trouble:       [e-mail]
List:          [e-mail]
Status:        Active
Archived:      Automated access from listserv (above)
Info Updated:  13-Mar-1993
Notes:         The goal of this project is to become the GNU of the
               FRP world.  We are a group of primarily AD&D players
               who have gotten together to write programs in portable
               ANSI C for everyone to use.

               Being tired of substandard shareware, this group desires
               to create quality software for both the players and the
               GMs that is completely free to the user.

               Programmers and documentation writers are always
               welcome, but if you don't feel like contributing in
               those areas, your ideas are valuable also!




From: [e-mail]
Date: 8 Jul 1993 12:34:46 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
Message-ID: <21h496$[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.announce,news.answers,rec.answers

Archive-name: games/roleplay/part6
Last-Modified:6/1/93


                    BBS's for Roleplayers

Contents:
        The Steve Jackson Games BBS -- Austin, Texas, USA
        The Red October BBS (Hero Games) -- Austin, Texas, USA
        The Harnline BBS (Columbia Games) -- Vancouver Canada
        Blacksburg Tactical Research Center (BTRC) Internet Mail Address
        Necropolis of Dreams (Ragnarok Games)   --   Austin, TX, USA
        The Broken Blade BBS (Unaffiliated) -- Seattle, Washington, USA
        Astral Void BBS (Unaffiliated) -- Mesa, Arizona, USA
        Red Star BBS (Vervan Net backbone) -- Burlington, IL, USA
        Purgatory BBS  (Unaffiliated) --  Salem, Oregon, USA
        Bladerunner BBS (Unaffiliated) -- Waltham, Mass. USA
        The DUNGEON BBS (Unaffiliated) -- western (?) NY State, USA
        TeleDunjon III and IV (Unaffiliated) -- Dallas/Ft Worth, Texas, USA
        Smasher Land BBS (Unaffiliated) -- Athens, Ohio, USA
        U Want What!?! BBS (Unaffiliated), Macon, GA, USA
        StormGate Aerie BBS (Other Suns), L.A. CA, 310 area code, USA
        The Fantasy Shop (Unaffiliated), Suitland, Maryland, USA
        The Guild (Unaffiliated), Los Angeles, California, USA
        Mindvox (Unaffiliated), New York, NY, USA
        Dunkelzahn's Lair (Unaffiliated) Amherst, MA, USA
**      Pooh's Corner (Unaffiliated) Baltimore, MD, USA
**      Tower of Magery (Unaffiliated) Helsinki, Finland

GAME COMPANY BBS's

Several RPG companies now run their own electronic bulletin boards.  To
connect to them, you must use a personal computer and a modem.
(Exception: the BTRC address is not a BBS, but a real live game designer
with an internet connection.)


Name:           The Steve Jackson Games BBS -- Austin, TX, USA
Dial:           (512)-447-4449
Comm Settings:  8-N-1 (7-E-1 may work too)
Baud:           300,1200,2400
Info Updated:   3-Dec-1991
Notes:          Steve Jackson Games operates a two line BBS, named the
                Illuminati BBS, with discussion areas for most of SJG's
                games, including GURPS. Much of the playtest feedback
                for new products comes from the BBS.


Name:           The Red October BBS (Hero Games) -- Austin, TX, USA
Dial:           (512)-834-2548
Comm Settings:  8-N-1???
Baud:           300,1200,2400???
Info Updated:   1-Feb-1991
Notes:          Red October is the semi-official BBS of Hero Games. Many Hero
                games supplement authors regularly call and there are several
                discussion boards about Hero Games.
                There are also pre-release beta test versions of most of the
                upcoming supplements from Hero Games, as well as up-to-the-
                minute news.

Name:           The Harnline BBS (Columbia Games) -- Vancouver Canada
Dial:           (604)-998-1703
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           300,1200,2400
Info Updated:   20-Sep-1992
Notes:          Columbia Games (makers of the Harn series of campaign
                supplements and the fantasy RPG system Harnmaster) has a BBS
                called Harnline. There are currently about 50 files, mostly
                unpublished material or revisions of published material.  User
                contributions are encouraged.

                The home of Harnline is Duffle Board - Rob Duff runs the board.

Name:           Blacksburg Tactical Research Center (BTRC) Email Address
Info Updated:   19-Nov-1992
Notes:          Greg Porter of BTRC is available for any and all questions
                relating to the BTRC's line of games and game products
                (TimeLords and SpaceTime RPG's, Macho Women with Guns, 3G,
                CORPS, WarpWorld, etc.). BTRC is an AMERICA ONLINE (AOL)
                account, Internet readers can use [e-mail]   .

Name:           Necropolis of Dreams (Ragnarok Games)   --   Austin, TX, USA
Dial:           (512)-472-6905, (512)-472-6220
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           2400, 9600
Info Updated:   4-Dec-1992
Notes:          Necropolis of Dreams has been online for almost 8 years.  It
                features over 50 message bases with a heavy concentration on
                gaming and game design as well as alternative political and
                arts topics.  It is sponsored by Ragnarok Games (publishers of
                Ysgarth, Suburban Slasher, To Challenge Tomorrow, etc), but
                discussion is not limited by that and a wide variety of gaming
                topics are addressed. The user base is very active and much
                fun is to be had by all. Operating 24 hours on both lines.


NON-AFFILIATED ROLE-PLAYING GAME BBS's

There are quite a few Independent BBS's with a strong RPG slant out there in
the great land of telecommunications.  Any comments on the suitability of
including them in this file are welcomed.

Note that the compiler of this list cannot check out these BBS's to
ensure that they work as described.  If you send information about a BBS
to me, please make sure your information is *complete* and accurate.
Thanks.


Name:           The Broken Blade BBS -- Seattle, Washington, USA
Dial:           [phone]
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           300,1200,2400
Info Updated:   31-Oct-1991
Notes:
      Mike Owen <[e-mail]> is the sysop
                of the Broken Blade: a free access bulletin board
                system.

                Although the message base is oriented toward
                general-purpose discussions (there are only a couple of
                RPG-oriented message areas), quite a few files are
                available of interest to RPGers.

Name:           Astral Void BBS -- Mesa, Arizona, USA
Dial:           [phone]
Comm Settings:  8-N-1

Baud:           300,1200
Info Updated:   6-26-1991
Notes:          Tony Hamilton <[e-mail]> runs a
                Roleplaying BBS.

                The Astral Void BBS is home to role-players who conduct
                games on the message boards, and also PBeM games.  The
                BBS is single-lined, and currently is running 11 games.
                New product information is posted for all the major game
                companies, along with occasional reviews.  There are
                also various text files on-line concerning various
                role-playing topics.

Name:           Red Star BBS (Vervan Net backbone) -- Burlington, IL, USA
Dial:           [phone] -- (vervan net is at other sites too)
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           1200-9600 -- HST or V.32
Info Updated:   15-Nov-1991
Notes:          There's at least one BBS network devoted solely to
                playing RPGs that you might want to look into. It's
                called V-Net. For information about V-net, contact:

                Joel Veeneman
                P.O. Box 7
                Burlington, IL 60109

                Internet: [e-mail]
                UUnet:    uunet!devcom!marcal!redstar!joel
                Fidonet:  1:115/639.0

Name:           Purgatory BBS  --  Salem, Oregon, USA
Dial:           [phone]
Sysop:          ???
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           300 - 14400
Status:         Down ??? I've heard reports that Purgatory is down
Info Updated:   16-Mar-1992
Notes:          Linked to Vervan's Gaming Network as well as half a
                dozen other nets (including Usenet through a Fido
                Gateway operated by Joel Veeneman -- see entry for
                Vervan Net).

                Main thrust of the BBS is gaming and there are online
                games for about a dozen systems. In addition we also are
                one of the biggest Occult BBSs in the Pacific North-West
                with a great deal of files on the subject. The other
                thrusts are Fantasy/Sci Fi, and current events debate
                and discussion type echos.

Name:           Bladerunner BBS -- Waltham, Mass. USA
Dial:           [phone]
Sysop:          Laird Popkin ([e-mail])
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           300 - 2400 + PEP (Trailblazer Plus)
Info Updated:   14-Sep-1991
Notes:          Connected to the Citadel and usenet networks (as
                blade.via.mind.org). The BBS runs STadel (a Citadel variant)
                on an Atari ST.

                Topics discussed: Role Playing Games, GURPS, Warhammer,
                AD&D, Call of Cthulhu, Hero/Champions, as well as assorted
                Fantasy and SF and computer-related topics.  There are
                also a number of online games, and discussions of SF,
                various computers, and whatever other topics arise.
                There are no online time limits or upload/download rations.

Name:           The DUNGEON BBS -- Buffalo, NY State, USA
Dial:           [phone]
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Sysop:          Master DaarKhan ???
Baud:           300 - 2400
Info Updated:   14-Sep-1991
Notes:          Western New York's finest board devoted to fantasy role
                playing. Features include over 50 message bases of all
                types, most of which are WWIVnet, the world's second
                largest private network.

                WWIVnet @ 7653

Name:           TeleDunjon III and IV -- Dallas/Ft Worth, Texas, USA
Dial:           [phone] and [phone]
Sysop:          ???
Comm Settings:  8-N-1
Baud:           300 - 2400
Info Updated:   14-Sep-1991
Notes:          The Teledunjon III and Teledunjon IV boards offer
                play-by-modem roleplaying games. They also publish the
                TeleDunjon Journal, an irregular online magazine for
                modem RPG enthusiasts.

                If you're in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex (north
                Texas) or can afford to call it regularly, check out the
                Teledunjon systems and join a game (or run your own).

Name:          Pyramid BBS, DC Metro Area, Virginia
Dial:          [phone]
Sysop:         Terilee Edwards
               Suite 548, 7010 Brookfield Plaza, Springfield, VA 22150
Comm Settings: 8-N-1
Baud:          300 to 2400 ?
Info Updated:  1 October 1991
Notes:         A free BBS, with two areas dedicated to gaming, with one
               area for live action role playing gaming and discussion
               and bulletins about the Interactive Literature Foundation
               (a live gaming organization).

Name:          Smasher Land BBS (Unaffiliated) -- Athens, Ohio, USA
Dial:          [phone]
Sysop:         Scott Mash <[e-mail]>
Comm Settings: 8-N-1 (Proboard v.1.17) Free
Baud:          300 to 2400
Info Updated:  29-Feb-1992
Notes:         Smasher Land has textfiles and utilities for AD&D,
               GURPS, Shadowrun, Fantasy Hero, Champions, Traveller,
               etc.  As well as a messagebase for each.  Smasher Land
               also offers a variety of online games that are
               accessable by all users.

               Internet/Usenet limited access is now available to all
               users on Smasher Land BBS.  You can send email to any
               internet, bitnet etc. address.


Name:          U Want What!?! BBS, Macon, GA, USA
Dial:          [phone] (soon 2 lines)
Sysop:         Richard Weeks <[e-mail]>
Comm
Settings: 8-N-1
Baud:          300 to 2400
Info Updated:  15-Feb-1992
Notes:         Several RPG doors are functioning including Barons,
               Axoru (shareware for now), Steller Quest, Trade Wars
               2002, and others.  We have an AD&D and RPG message area
               and I am a 14 yr Dungeon Master for AD&D, as well as
               playing and GM for Dragon Quest, Champions, RIFTS, V&V
               and others.

Name:          StormGate Aerie BBS, Los Angeles CA, 310 area code, USA
Dial:          310-822-6729
Sysop:         Nicolai Shapero
Comm Settings: 8-N-1
Baud:          300/1200/2400/9600M G4400HST
Network:       Fidonet
Info-Updated:  15-Apr-1992
Notes:         OTHER SUNS (sf role playing game) headquarters.
               Several multiplayer role playing games available
               through echomail.  (A FidoNet echomail conference
               is similar to an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.)

Name:          The Fantasy Shop, Suitland, Maryland, USA
Dial:          301 967 1843
Sponsor:       Washington Metropolitan Area Gaming Society
Contact:       Jon F. Zeigler <[e-mail]>
Comm Settings: 8-N-1
Baud:          300/1200/2400
Info-Updated:  2-May-1992
Notes:         The Fantasy Shop is a new (less than 2 months old) BBS
               sponsored and operated by the Washington Metropolitan
               Area Gaming Society.  It is devoted to discussion and
               on-line play related to all aspects of the gaming hobby,
               particularly role-playing games.  There are as yet no
               user fees,  although access is greater for members of the
               Society.  The new-user's password is "WMAGS".

Name:          The Guild [FTS]
Type:          CNet 2.x (Amiga 2000)
Location:      Los Angeles, CA
Admin:         Guy Bartoli
To Contact:    [e-mail]
Ph#/Address:   310-641-6909 (5 lines)
Bps:           300/1200/2400
Bits/Par/stop: 8N1
Access details: RPG'ers, Cyperpunks, and opinionated people welcome.
Fees:           RPG games and all local discussion groups are free of charge.
                Access to UseNet requires a small donation to subsidize paying
                for my feed.
Desc:           The Guild [FTS] is approximately a year old. It was founded
                with the premise that it would be primarily a RPG oriented BBS,
                but has since evolved into carrying many different SIG's.
                The Guild [FTS] >does< pick up the rec.games.frp.* hierarcy and
                is also a member of the C-Link network (private FIDOnet, over
                120 nodes world-wide), which also has forums on RPG games.
Notes:          None - Give The Guild a call, and please mention that you saw
                it advertised on the UseNet so that I know where you are coming
                from.


Name:          MindVox
Location:      New York, NY
Administrator: Phantom Access Technologies, Inc.
To contact:    [e-mail] - 212-988-5987 (voice)
Ph#/Address:   212-988-5030 (or telnet phantom.com)
Access Details:24 local dial-ups @ 1200 - 19.2k / Live on Internet
Fees:          Ranges from $10 - $15 per month - flat rate

Description:   MindVox offers access to about a dozen single and multi
               player games online, ranging from the classics like Adventure
               Rogue, Hack, Empire, Larn and UltraRogue, to continuing work
               on its custom object-oriented virtual world called MAELSTROM.
               MAELSTROM is currently up and down depending on its testing
               status but is expected to be solid by late 1992.  Members can
               also use MindVox to access a list of 10 different Multi-User
               Dimensions throughout the United States, Germany and Sweden
               (the latter two come with english-version toggles and various
               MUD's include 3-d graphics and POV player location charts).
               A huge variety of material and scenarios to deal with, their
               development team at Phantom Access includes some of the
               members of the original teams that designed the first online
               multi-player games to ever exist.


Notes:         MindVox is the system of Phantom Access.  It's very large
               and covers a wide variety of features and services that
               are included in signing on (Usenet, worldwide Chat network,
               online single and multi-user games, etc).  The main focus
               of MindVox is on Cyberspace and role-playing.  They have
               been covered in dozens of articles both hard-copy and
               electronically.  One of the principle owners is a writer
               for Mondo 2000; most of the owners are ex-Legion of Doom
               and other older hacker groups.  Overall its a very
               interesting place to hang out even discounting the games.
               All new accounts are offered demo-time to look through the
               system and get familiar with its features before subscribing.


Name:            Dunkelzahn's Lair
Type:            TinyMUD hybrid (With message bases, etc.)
Access:          [phone] During the School Year.
Location:        University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Description:     For everyone who likes games.  Also offers a
                 reactive environment for posting.
Note:            Is run on a 286, so is not the true MUD, it is a
                 hybrid version.

Name:            Toronto Twilight Communications (TTC)
Type:            PCBoard v14.5 (IBM, AMIGA, MAC support)
Location:        Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Administrator:   Rick DiLorenzo (SysOp), Various Co-SysOps
To contact:      [e-mail]
Ph#/Address:     [phone] DATA
Access Details:  All BPS rates, 6 Nodes, N-8-1 supported
Fees:            FREE
Description:     AD&D, Call of Cthulhu, D&D, GURPS, Paranoia, Lost Souls,
                 Rifts, many others.
Notes:           Call - any games not listed may be set up and run!
                 On-line doors (20+, from Trade Wars 2002 to The Pit),
                 1.2gb file section (2 CD-ROM drives), 5+ mail networks.

Name:            Pooh's Corner
Type:            Maximus 2.01 [IBM]
Location        : Baltimore, MD
Administrator   : Mark Truelove
To contact      : [e-mail]
Ph#/Address     : 410-327-9263
Access Details  : RPG players, special interests all welcome
Fees            : Public access -- free at present
Description     : The Corner has been around since Nov., 1991,
                  after I discovered play-by-email RPGs and just
                  _had_ to bring it into the area.  Since then, I've
                  discovered BBSing is just _full_ of new surprises
                  <grin>, and am always looking for ways to expand the
                  experience (for my callers, and myself).  Got some
                  ideas?  Wanna play?  Drop a line!

Name            :       Tower of Magery
Type            :       SBBS & Waffle
Location        :       Helsinki, Finland
Administrator   :       Ismo Peltonen
To contact      :       [e-mail]
                        Fidonet: Ismo Peltonen, 2:220/295
                        VNET: Ismo Peltonen, 46:9616/140
Ph#/Address     :       [phone]
                        in Finland through DIANA: 9102-0-5072005
Access Details  :       8-N-1, 24 hours a day, CCITT v22 to v32bis,
                        v42, v42bis, MNP1-5
Fees            :       Usenet write access limited to members of
                        NullNet ry (50FIM a year), otherwise free access.
Description     :       Linked to VNET, Fidonet, and Usenet. Tower is
                        a couple of years old RPG oriented BBS. It's public,
                        and contains mostly Roleplaying messages, but also
                        some files. rec.games.frp.archives is archived by
                        the sysop, and everything that has appeared there
                        will be made available when requested if not before
                        that.
                        Tower is not sponsored, it's totally controlled
                        by the sysop and the users. Best supported
                        system is GURPS by SJG, though.



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