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#: 16311 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  16:04:17
Sb: WIN32/NT SDK Release 2
Fm: Don Perry 76676,1127
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Thanks Stu for the info.

Your prompt response is appreciated!!!

Don Perry


#: 16340 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  10:35:17
Sb: Setup, Dev Kit
Fm: Bob Soodak 71055,542
To: All

Re: Problem installing NT from MS-Win32 SDK CD-ROM

Motherboard: IBM PS/2 Model 40SX

SCSI Adapters:
  TCM-850IBM Manufactured for IBM by Future Domain;
  IBM 3.5 inch rewritable optical drive attached, installed internally.

  Adaptec AHA-1510 (from Corel systems);
  Corel (manufactured by Toshiba) CD-ROM attached, installed externally.

Problem: Boot Disk (July 1992) Setup program fails to recognize the
  presence of a valid CD-ROM drive.

Note: In all other respects, the CD-ROM drive functions normally. I had
  no problem installing the MS-Developer Network software from the same
  drive.

#: 16350 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  11:23:29
Sb: WINDOWS NT BETA
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Sung Y. Kim 70353,2743 (X)

Send a letter in to Microsoft, attention Windows NT Beta coordinator and
request inclusion to the Beta program.  Alternatively you may fax to
206/936-7329. Microsoft One Microsoft Way, redmond, WA 98052 Stu Wiley
Developer Service team

#: 16362 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  12:43:48
Sb: MSCDEX
Fm: Ralph H. Brenner 71730,2203
To: anyone

To use my CD-ROM drive I need the Microsoft Compact Disc Extensions (MSCDEX)
version 2.2 or later.  How or where do I get this?

Ralph Brenner

#: 16391 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:57:19
Sb: #16264-MSDN CD Crash
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Richard George 70640,2614

Hi Richard,

You might ask this question in the MSDNLIB forum.  We don't handle many of
their detailed issues in this forum.  I haven't seen this problem before (but
again you wouldn't expect to see many like this in this section).  This sounds
like a problem with their installation tool.

Another possibility, do you have empty space on the drive where your swapfile
is located?  See if the problem is resolved by making a little more room for
your swapfile to grow.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]

#: 16278 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    31-Oct-92  10:42:25
Sb: SDK install error msg
Fm: Bruce D Franson 71053,3415
To: all

Thanks for the new cd (October Beta).  Looks great!
Had an informational message when I installed the sdk after installing
the new windows NT.  Right when it was creating the new windows under
the NT program manager it gave me a non-fatal dde error - twice.  I
selected the "continue" option and it then the next thing it did was
create the sdk group under the program manager, then install the items
one after another.  Looked ok at the end, but thought I would let you
know, since that's what beta programs are for, right :-).
I did the normal install from CD, didn't select custom or anything.
Bruce


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#: 16392 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:57:24
Sb: #16278-SDK install error msg
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Bruce D Franson 71053,3415 (X)

Hi Bruce,

Thanks for the information.  I've passed this information internally to the
guys handling these kinds of issues.  For future reference, if you experience
setup problems with the SDK, please let the folks in Section 7 know about
them.

Thanks much,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]

#: 16393 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:57:29
Sb: #16214-Remote Login?
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Andrew Potter 71075,614 (X)

Hi Andrew,

When I saw your initial posting, I happened to see Bruce and asked him to
comment on your question.  Bruce doesn't typically visit this section.
Unfortunately LAN questions are not my forte.  If you'd like to hook up with
Bruce again and ask him to readdress this question, please repost in Section
12, "WinNet and RPC".  There is also a Network Services section available in
the WinNT forum, Section 11.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]

#: 16289 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  00:39:33
Sb: robustness vs speed
Fm: Jeong Ho Lee 70253,1244
To: sysop (X)

Hello,
Has Oct. Beta achieved *speed* by sacrificing *robustness* ? With Oct.
release, everything is reasonably fast. I can use almost ALL Win16 apps and
DOS Apps. TapCIS is working well.....Great! But reliability of Oct. release
is not as solid as Jul release. With Jul release, my system never be locked
or hanged. But Oct release *randomly* is broken. There has been no changes
on my system. Even , I can not report BUG, since the behaviour is not
re-produceable. We need robust OS, not fast OS. Because hardwares are always
improving. Please do not sacrifice *robustness* to improve *speed*.
jLee

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#: 16394 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:57:35
Sb: #16289-robustness vs speed
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Jeong Ho Lee 70253,1244 (X)

We think much along the same lines as you do; it doesn't make since to
sacrifice robustness for speed.  A slow piece of code is infinitely better
than one that doesn't work at all.  This is the first time I've seen a report
like you've submitted.  If you can at all narrow down the problems or find a
pattern, please let us know.  Even if it is something only specific to your
machine, we'd like to figure out what is going on and fix it.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]

#: 16310 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  15:18:06
Sb: NTSD display drvr debug
Fm: ray shapiro 71431,1450
To: sysop (X)

Hi,

When I was out in Anaheim, I asked about using NTSD to debug
display drivers.  The answer was "yes", but the magic incantaions
went by a bit fast.  Could someone please post the rules for
invoking NTSD to debug display drivers.

Thanks,
Ray

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#: 16400 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:08:12
Sb: #16310-NTSD display drvr debug
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: ray shapiro 71431,1450 (X)

Ray,

This message will probably get more specific attention if in the WINNT forum
section 10 (Drivers).  Stu Wiley Developer Service Team

#: 16337 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  10:08:43
Sb: Where is system guide?
Fm: Tim Johnson 71071,1215
To: Sysop (X)

There's some discussion over on WINNT about how NT/SDK developers got the
October release without the System Guide, even though it's mentioned in the
two books we DID get (Release notes and WIN32s notes).  Evidently users'
updates included this guide.

How can us humble developers get this thing?  Hate having users know more
about installing it than me!

Tim Johnson Teknekron Software Systems 530 Lytton Ave. Suite 301 Palo Alto, CA
94301



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#: 16388 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:27:03
Sb: #16337-Where is system guide?
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Tim Johnson 71071,1215 (X)

the system guide is on the cd in \doc\enduser\ps or \doc\enduser\write.

-Dwight (MS)




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#: 16401 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:19:10
Sb: #16388-Where is system guide?
Fm: Tim Johnson 71071,1215
To: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340 (X)

Dwight,

Thanks for the System Guide pointer.  I'll post this info over on WINNT too.

Tim

#: 16412 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:47:13
Sb: 2nd SDK Ship Date
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: William H. Beebe, Jr. 70720,375 (X)

Hi William,

PMJI, but Dwight must be out of town.  We don't typically have information
like this regarding support of specific hardware in future releases.  I
understand for this, another driver will have to be written to support the
CD-ROM under this card; however, Creative Labs will have to tell you
specifically what work is being done towards this.

Their is a form that you can fill out and submit to help us identify the need
for specific drivers on the market, so that we can take steps to insure
they're produced.  I've cut and pasted the steps on how to fill out this form
(hwfeed.txt) and submit it to us.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]


===============================================================================
Hwfeed.txtcan be found in MSWIN32, Lib 17; or WINNT, Lib 1.

In order to send mail to the address mentioned via CompuServe, you have to:

 * Leave the forum.
 * At any "!" prompt, enter GO MAIL.
 * Mail your request to:
 ">internet:[e-mail]"

#: 16273 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    31-Oct-92  09:17:25
Sb: Device Driver
Fm: GMS 100063,2012
To: Leon G Rollison 70421,1702

No!


#: 16413 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:47:20
Sb: Device Driver
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Leon G Rollison 70421,1702

Hi Leon,

Just for future reference, if Dave to see something specifically, he doesn't
typically visit this section.  He is more often in section 9 or section 12. To
answer your questions, no, that card is not yet listed on the hardware
compatibility list.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]

#: 16449 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  06:14:28
Sb: More DRIVERS congestion
Fm: Arthur Knowles 71041,2613
To: Robert Eidson 70214,2115 (X)

Bob,

FWIW: I use qemm and it's stealth technology to create about 200+ Kb of UMB
space. Even with WFW and Netware driver and my CD-ROM, etc I still have about
570+ kb free. I've stuffed the UMB space with these drivers (and a few low) so
if EMM386 can't free enough memory you might think about qemm.

Art

PS: I also use Quick/C for Windows to do my normal compiles and only use MS C
for the final optimization phase. It's worked very well since you don't have
the DOS memory limits.

#: 16402 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:30:50
Sb: Beta release
Fm: Frido Garritsen 100041,1671
To: SYSOP (X)

I have purchased the July version of the SDK. Is it possible to get the newer
October version? I have been a Beta tester for Windows 3.1.

Frido Garritsen Himalaya Software



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#: 16451 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  06:24:46
Sb: #16402-Beta release
Fm: Arthur Knowles 71041,2613
To: Frido Garritsen 100041,1671 (X)

Frido,

<<I have purchased the July version of the SDK. Is it possible to get the
newer October version?>>

The oct beta should be sent to you automatically along with all future
updates.

Art

#: 16453 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  07:42:14
Sb: #16228-Win NT tradmark instruct
Fm: Andrew Potter 71075,614
To: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340 (X)

Dwight,

Found it!

Thanks,
       Andrew

#: 16318 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  19:05:25
Sb: October/ dual boot
Fm: frederick c kirk 70570,2273
To: all

After installing the october beta version, (and selecting the NTFS file
option) I discovered that I could not boot DOS (and could not run my
telecommunications software to access this forum!). I re installed NT with the
FAT option. then I could boot DOS. Am I doing something wrong? Do I give up
the DOS option when I go to NTFS? When I tried to select "previous operating
system on C" I got: BOOT: couldn't find NTLDR please insert another disk" and
then things kind of locked up. Also, since July, I have had to boot DOS from a
diskette, the "previous operating system on c" option hasn't worked. How do I
re establish that?

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#: 16457 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  09:26:09
Sb: #16318-October/ dual boot
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: frederick c kirk 70570,2273

Frederick, I suggest you place this in the WINNT forum section 3.  I have
heard similar comments, relative to installation procedures.  I think someone
there will be able to help you.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team

#: 16466 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  09:50:41
Sb: #16318-October/ dual boot
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: frederick c kirk 70570,2273

Frederick, I addition to the previous, you may want to take a look in section
7 of WINNT.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team

#: 16279 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    31-Oct-92  10:44:16
Sb: INSTALL NON_SCSI PRELIM
Fm: Schroeder 74746,11
To: All

Please Help!...Here's my problem...

Equipment:

Generic 386DX-33 system
Proprietary SCSI (Sysquest) - not use for NT install
Sound Blaster Pro based CD-ROM
3.5(A:) & 5.25(B:) Floppies
500MB Hard Storage (C:80MB D:420MB)

History:

Installed Pre-Release version using DOS method.
Experienced one minor problem with keyboard...
...resolved by changing statis of keyboard in CMOS
during one portion of the install.
No other significant problems encountered in
installation or operation of Pre-Release version

Problem encounter with Preliminary (October) Release:

First, removed prior copy of Windows NT from system.
Using METHOD-2 label for networks or unsupported
CD-ROM players.  WINNT prepares a floppy diskette,
places a directory on the designated drive (D:)
and attempts to reboot.
Unfortunately, floppy will not boot to NT.
System hangs with the message:

BOOT: I/O error reading disk
Please insert another disk

Of course, inserting disks, or pressing keys has
no effect, the system is quite well hung.
Also, this is the same message that is received
from the Microsoft suppied boot disk (for supported
SCSI drives).

Does the floppy or the BIOS lack some degree of
compatibility with the new release?  Is the
proprietary SCSI controller confusing the boot
system?  Did NT incorrectly create this "Setup"
floppy?  Am I left out in the cold with no where
to go?  Answers to these questions and more in
messages to follow (I hope).

Thank you in advance for any and all assistance.

Schroeder


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#: 16324 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  06:22:09
Sb: #16279-INSTALL NON_SCSI PRELIM
Fm: Schroeder 74746,11
To: Schroeder 74746,11

OK...so I answered my own question...

For those that might experience similiar
problems, here's the solution.

I removed the SyQuest Proprietary SCSI
controller from my system and repeated
the DOS installation procedure.  This time
it work just fine.  Apparently, if WINNT
finds a SCSI controller, it assumes that
device 0 on that contrller will be the
CD-ROM drive, Unfortunately, this is not
a vaild assumtion on my system.

I am now plagued with two remaining problems.
The first one existed in the Pre-Release and
is still present.  The second is new.

First.  After the initial boot, just as the
screen turns to blue background text mode
(for file system validation), the NumLock
light on my keyboard is switched off and the
keyboard is no longer accessible to the
system.  When the Logon prompt appears, the
keyboard lights are still off and no keypress,
including the requested Crtl-Alt-Del, has any
effect.  Even worse, this problem is
intermittent...50% of the time it occurs and
requires a system cold boot (system reset
button will do)...50% of the time the system
behaves just fine (no flashing keyboard lights
or nuttin').  I have been unable to assertain
any other relavant criteria for this failure
as it occurs from a cold start with the same
intermittent behavior... Any suggestions?

Second.  The Pre-Release version worked just
fine with my ATI VGA Wonder XL mouse.  The
Preliminary Release will not recognize it at
all.  The Express install does setup the
system for a Microsoft Inport Mouse, so I
assume it found some hardware signature
somewhere.  Help!?!

Thanks for your patience and assistance.

Schroeder


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#: 16467 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  09:50:45
Sb: #16324-INSTALL NON_SCSI PRELIM
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Schroeder 74746,11

Schroeder, Still working...
 Stu Wiley

#: 16342 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  10:51:57
Sb: #16279-INSTALL NON_SCSI PRELIM
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Schroeder 74746,11 (X)

Schroeder, You may find better answers on the WINNT forum section 8, which
deals specifically with hardware compatabilities.  I'll also check with some
folks here to see how we can assist you.  Please make sure you post this in
the WINNT forum as well.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team

#: 16486 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  12:17:07
Sb: INSTALL NON SCSI PROBLEM
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: schroeder 74746,11

Schroeder, The advice I received was to have you repost this message in the
WINNT forum section 3.
 Sounds like a driver problem and that's where the experts are.  they can
assist and redirect you from there, hopfully it's somthing they've seen
before.
 Stu Wiley Developer Service Team

#: 16512 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  16:30:15
Sb: net start/stop [driver]
Fm: Michael Hall 72607,3422
To: Paul Sanders [MS] 72350,2053 (X)

Paul Sanders:

I am writing an NT device driver and would like to be able to dynamically
load and unload it using "net start <drivername>" and "net stop <drivername>".
If <drivername> is a monolithic device driver then the driver successfully
loads and unloads.  Unfortunately, my device driver is layered.

My class driver successfully unloads but I am unable to reload it.  This is
the error that it gives me the first time:

     System error 5 has occurred.
     Access Denied.

This is the error that it gives me every other time:

     System error 2 has occurred.
     The system cannot find the file specified.

The information printed out by my class driver indicates that it was unable
to get the port device driver object.  I believe that this is because when
the class driver is unloaded, I don't undo the effect of the
IoGetDeviceObjectPointer() call that my class driver's DriverEntry() uses
to establish a connection to my port driver.

If I try to unload my port driver then the system seems to go through some
timeout period and then claims that it has unloaded my port driver:

     The BRUTUS service is stopping......
     The BRUTUS service was successfully stopped.

However, the port driver's unload routine is never called and when I
subsequently try to load my port driver I get the following error:

     The requested service has already been started.
     More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 2182.

I believe that the port driver is never really unloaded, but the net
program incorrectly reports that it was.  I also believe that the reason
that the port driver is unable to unload is because it thinks that it is
still being used because the class driver was unable to undo the effect of
its IoGetDeviceObjectPointer() call.

Please help me understand what is going wrong and explain how I can fix it.

Thanks for your time,

Clay Bean.

#: 16501 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  15:13:48
Sb: NT and Networks
Fm: Michael L. Giancola 76416,1464
To: All

Hello:
Well, I finally have the correct hardware up and running to give NT's network
capabilities a try. I am new to LANs so please be kind. Here goes...
I want to run NT on the server. The work stations are currently running DOS
5.0 on one machine and Windows 3.1 on the other. If I can limit my purchases
to one software package, what would it take to start the machines talking? Do
I need to run NT on all stations? What about LAN Manager?
Any and all help is appreciated.
Confused in LANtown...
Michael

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#: 16540 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  20:13:17
Sb: #16501-NT and Networks
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Michael L. Giancola 76416,1464 (X)

Hi Michael,

NT will work on a machine as a server, and will allow DOS clients to connect
to it.  You don't have to be running NT on the work stations.  For more
information, and follow up questions, please post to the Networking Services
section (WinNT, Section 11).

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16500 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  15:11:11
Sb: Can't "install" SDK
Fm: Edward C Llewellyn 76360,3564
To: sysop (X)

I successfully installed the new (Oct.) Windows NT release, and
the Win32 SDK, but I can't get the icons to appear when
I set up a new user account.  I tried using Windows NT Setup
program with the Options|Setup Applications... command, but this
won't make the icons for him, even after logging out and in again.
I also tried the Options|Add/Remove Windows components... but this
seems to have nothing to do with the SDK.

I'm using a 0x486 PC, by the way.

--Ed

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#: 16541 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  20:13:23
Sb: #16500-Can't "install" SDK
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Edward C Llewellyn 76360,3564 (X)

Hi Ed,

Sorry, your question is in the wrong forum and wrong section.  This is for
non-technical issues for the SDK (disk replacements, that sort of thing).
Please repost your question in the WINNT forum.  I think the most appropriate
section would be the Utilities and Applets section (Section 7). It looks like
you're having some trouble with the User Manager.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16426 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  19:13:58
Sb: Logitech Mouse w/NT
Fm: Trey C. Johnson 71213,1416
To: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635 (X)

Doug,

Hi, this is the first message I've sent on this forum.  I hope you don't mind,
I got your name & address from another mail.  Is there a generic destination
for NT questions?

I've installed the new October release of NT and it doesn't recognize my
Logitech Bus Mouse.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Trey Johnson

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#: 16452 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  06:26:57
Sb: #16426-Logitech Mouse w/NT
Fm: Arthur Knowles 71041,2613
To: Trey C. Johnson 71213,1416

Trey,

<<I've installed the new October release of NT and it doesn't recognize my
Logitech Bus Mouse.  Any ideas?>>

Last I heard NT only supported 100% MS compatible mice. I do not believe the
Logitech mouse fits this description. You might talk to logitech and see what
their NT plans are.

Art

#: 16543 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  20:13:37
Sb: #16426-Logitech Mouse w/NT
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Trey C. Johnson 71213,1416

Hi Trey,

No, we really don't have a generic place to ask NT questions.  We try to
devide the question between two forums, with multiple sections.  The reason
that we do this is so that we can locate our expertise in the appropriate
sections; and so you can go to a section and look at postings related to your
problem (instead of having to look at hundreds of LAN questions to solve your
compiler issues etc.)  The MSWIN32 forum is for SDK and application
development questions.  The WINNT forum is more for general questions about
Windows NT.  The section you're looking for specifically is the WINNT, Section
3 "Setup".  They can address your issues for you.

Another thing to note, is that you don't have to address your post to anyone
specific at Microsoft.  If you address it to Microsoft, or SysOp; someone from
Microsoft will generally try to get involved in the thread.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16387 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:26:24
Sb: Can't inst. W/NEC CD Dr.
Fm: John Brooks 70214,3533
To: all

Having problem installing from CD ROM Drive "NEC CDR35" ? Keep getting message
no cdrom present??? /exit

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#: 16450 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  06:22:09
Sb: #16387-Can't inst. W/NEC CD Dr.
Fm: Arthur Knowles 71041,2613
To: John Brooks 70214,3533 (X)

John,

<<Having problem installing from CD ROM Drive "NEC CDR35" ? Keep getting
message no cdrom present???>>

It appears that you have either an unsupported SCSI adapter or CD-ROM drive.
But you can install NT with the manuall (WINNT) method and then the SDK with
the manual (MANUAL) setup apps. They are documented in the release notes.

Art

#: 16544 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  20:13:43
Sb: #16387-Can't inst. W/NEC CD Dr.
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: John Brooks 70214,3533

Hi John,

Art is right, the NEC CDR35 doesn't appear to be on the hardware compatibility
list yet.  For follow up questions, or more information; please post your
setup questions in the WINNT forum, Section 3 "System Setup"

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16435 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  22:13:11
Sb: NT for pen-computers?
Fm: David A Hand 70621,3624
To: ALL

Does anyone know if Microsoft intends to have a version of NT running on
pen-computers? I had assumed the memory requirements would preclude this, but
I recently read somewhere that they are experimenting with a ROM verson of NT
for portables. Will this include the pen extensions?
Thanks,
Dave Hand

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#: 16468 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  09:50:49
Sb: #16435-NT for pen-computers?
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: David A Hand 70621,3624 (X)

Dave, It is my understanding that we are working on supporting teh same things
with NT as we do with Windows.  I have no specific information, but
undoubtedly this is being addressed somewhere within MS.  You may want to ask
these theoretical questions in the WINEXT forum...where the PEN folks reside.
They may have a better handle on the specific issues.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team



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#: 16558 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  23:33:27
Sb: #16468-NT for pen-computers?
Fm: David A Hand 70621,3624
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Stu,
Thanks, I'll do that.

#: 16592 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  10:35:34
Sb: CMD white space for BAT
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: sysop (X)

The new command interpreter CMD.EXE apparently does not treat
horizontal tabs (0x09) as white space.  Executing the following
batch file creates error message "cannot find the label setnt300".
The batch file will run correctly under DOS 5.0, but not in the
MSDOS window under NT.  The characters <HT><CR><LF> follow
"goto setnt300" in line 3.

echo off
  if "%1"=="" goto help
  if "%1"=="nt300" goto setnt300
  goto help

:setnt300
  set CADVER=300
  set WINVER=0x0314
  set CADSRC=\SRCNT300
  goto exit

:help
  echo Copyright (c) 1992 Foresight Resource Corporation
  echo CADSET [os-ver] [country]
:exit

Chuck Atwood (Foresight Resources Corporation)

#: 16595 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  10:37:22
Sb: SUBST problem
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: sysop (X)

Problem with the SUBST command using the MSDOS windows under NT:

The copy command won't work when copying a file from one SUBST drive
to another ("cant find device"):

        SUBST I: \SRCWN210
        SUBST J: C:\SRCNT300
        copy I:a.b J:a.b

Chuck Atwood (Foresight Resources Corporation)

#: 16576 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  07:33:25
Sb: DDK offer, when ?
Fm: Jeong Ho Lee 70253,1244
To: SYSOP (X)

Hello,
I heard from this Forum that MS was going to send SDK users DDK offer (
discount ? ) If it's a discount offer, do we have to wait for it ? I mean,
can we just call MS right now and get DDK after verifying ourselves SDK
owner ? What's going on ?
Thanks
jLee

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16624 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  13:22:30
Sb: #16576-DDK offer, when ?
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Jeong Ho Lee 70253,1244 (X)

It's not a discount offer. We will mail the info on the DDK before it ships,
in plenty of time to place an order. We're asking that you not call to place
an order right now because our Developer Services Team is swamped w/ calls for
the SDK, MSDN, and the new Visual Basic 2.0.

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16569 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  05:40:47
Sb: Oct. release in Europe
Fm: Tom Doust 100015,3011
To: MSFT

What's the deal about european customers getting october release. I got my
July PDK by going to the European developers conference and I kind of assumed
that I would get the next release automatically. I'm now reading all these
messages from people saying how much better the new version is and I haven't
got it!

Do I have to do something or will it happen automatically - just a bit slower
than in the US.


There is 1 Reply.

#: 16625 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  13:22:35
Sb: #16569-Oct. release in Europe
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Tom Doust 100015,3011 (X)

It will happen automatically. Our European subs started receiving their SDKs a
few days ago.

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16292 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  09:00:15
Sb: DDK Availability
Fm: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312
To: Sysop (X)

Hi,

I'm in the UK, and I 'phoned MS UK about getting the CD only DDK, and was told
this was not possible. I only need the DDK to write 'personal' drivers for
some lab equipment - I don't want to spend 500 pounds ($800) going to a
conference! Can you please advise on how I can get hold of this CD?

Thanks,

Anthony.



There are 3 Replies.

#: 16336 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  10:07:15
Sb: #16292-DDK Availability
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312 (X)

I've sent mail to MS UK to see what's going on here. Perhaps they're just not
taking orders yet since the product won't ship for several weeks.

-Dwight (MS)



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16361 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  12:40:48
Sb: #16336-DDK Availability
Fm: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312
To: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340 (X)

DM>I've sent mail to MS UK to see what's going on here. Perhaps they're just
not DM>taking orders yet since the product won't ship for several weeks.

Cheers Dwight - I look forward to the outcome.

Anthony.

#: 16389 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  15:38:10
Sb: #16292-DDK Availability
Fm: Graham Welland 70023,1267
To: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312 (X)

I suspect that the response to your query is to that you should wait until the
product goes retail.

On the other hand, the NT DD conference should be interesting.... certainly
better value than the UK windows developer conference.

Graham (in UK)

#: 16474 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  10:49:45
Sb: #16292-DDK Availability
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312 (X)

Anthony,

I got a response from MS UK. The situation there is the same as here- the DDK
was made available first at the conference, but is also orderable by people
not attending the conference. We will be shipping the DDK to non-conference
attendees as soon as the docs are ready to go. You should be able to order
this from MS UK now.

-Dwight (MS)






There are 2 Replies.

#: 16496 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  14:55:21
Sb: #16474-DDK Availability
Fm: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326
To: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340 (X)

Errrm, I'm going to the DDK conference this Thursday (5th Nov ) and I am
destined to get a copy of the DDK. However I just read that there is to be a
NEW DDK in the next week, how long will that take to filter through to the UK
developer (2nd class citizens) ? Any ideas?

Christian

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16632 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  13:45:12
Sb: #16496-DDK Availability
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326

There is no new DDK. We cut special CDs without the docs for the two
developers conferences. The CDs that everyone else will be receiving will be
exactly the same except for the online docs (which weren't ready in time for
the conference.)

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16513 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  16:40:32
Sb: #16474-DDK Availability
Fm: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312
To: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340 (X)

Dwight,

I can't order it now, 'cos I've tried. Do you have a date for when it will be
ready (to within a week or to) so I can try again around then?

Thanks, Anthony.



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16631 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  13:45:08
Sb: #16513-DDK Availability
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Anthony Wilkinson 100010,2312

No, I don't know the UK dates. My goal is to ship in the US before the end of
the month. My contact at MS UK told me they are now taking orders- I'll send
him your message to let him know that's not true.

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16290 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  04:12:09
Sb: NT BETA !!!!!
Fm: Derek Hellmons 100022,1636
To: ALL

Hi
  I'v been calling Microsoft in munchen (germany) trying to get a lead where I
can get a hold of the Windows NT beta I did a lot of work on the win 3.1 beta
,even helped Microsoft get the german OEM version out on time and now ....I
don't now sir please call next week....is this the way microsoft wants to
become the world leader....


If any one can give me a number any where in the World where I can get a Hold
of the NT beta then thanks in advance..


Derek.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16343 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  10:52:02
Sb: #16290-NT BETA !!!!!
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Derek Hellmons 100022,1636 (X)

I'll forward your request to the Munchen SUB.  they typically have a time lag
behind the U.S. so be patient.  Stu Wiley Developer Service Team




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16377 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  14:36:20
Sb: #16343-NT BETA !!!!!
Fm: Derek Hellmons 100022,1636
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Thanks
      But whats his name,I mean the guy in munchen so I can bug him,Iknow that
not everyone at MS looks at there email everday (or was that week) so that I
can Bug him.We have many Large customers interesed,Insurance companys, Banks
and little old MAN (largest truck manufacture) and all we have to show is a
copyed SDK....which crashes they want to Spend Mega DM in Downsizing and all
we hear is "oh I'm sorry We don't have anyone here you can help you sir..."


Thanks in advance

Derek...

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16641 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  15:32:49
Sb: #16377-NT BETA !!!!!
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Derek Hellmons 100022,1636 (X)

The product management isn't on CIS.  I'll ask for a phone call if you want to
post the number.   Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team

#: 16679 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  20:11:09
Sb: Windows NT Hardware
Fm: Mark Westerhaus 72427,2000
To: Mark Westerhaus

How can I obtain the Hardware Compatibility List for Windows NT?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16768 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  16:10:44
Sb: #16679-Windows NT Hardware
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Mark Westerhaus 72427,2000 (X)

This should be in library 17, 1092hw.txt.

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16779 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  18:01:46
Sb: Shareware Editor
Fm: Dan  Sodhi 71212,2333
To: All

Does any one know of a Windows based (NT would be better) Programmer's Editor
I can download.

#: 16593 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  10:36:25
Sb: NMAKE problems
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: sysop (X)

NMAKE doesn't check dependencies correctly for directories.  The
following makefile works using NMAKE from C7 with DOS 5.0 but will
display "'CHUCK' is up-to-date" in the MSDOS window under NT.
I am using the FAT file system.  Make a directory CHUCK and type:
NMAKE -f NTBAD.MAK.

        # NTBAD.MAK
        # author: cla

        DIRS = CHUCK

        $(DIRS):
                cd $(*)
                copy ..\ntbad.mak .
                cd..

        # [EndOfMake]

P.S. NMAKE needs !ELSE which is available in 3.1/C700 SDK.

Chuck Atwood (Foresight Resources Corporation)

#: 16790 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  19:10:39
Sb: NMAKE problems
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Sorry, sending my NMAKE problem to Tools was my intention.

This is my first adventure in compuserve land.

#: 16351 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  11:36:54
Sb: Shareware contest
Fm: Robert Zeff 70323,1251
To: All

I have not received confirmation of my entry into the shareware contest. Has
anyone else?

Thanks,

-Robert




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16528 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  17:53:45
Sb: #16351-Shareware contest
Fm: Daniel Green 70312,3470
To: Robert Zeff 70323,1251 (X)

I also submitted an entry to the shareware contest, and I haven't received any
acknowledgement or info from Microsoft about it (not that I expected any, but
it would nice to know that they at least received the package).  By the way,
my app doesn't run on the October release - it is looking for "USERRTL.DLL"
which doesn't exist (apparently) in the October release.  Looks like I must
have linked with the wrong run-time library libs or something.  Oh well.  I
guess 24 hours before Comdex I'll get a call asking me to recompile and
resubmit my app...
-- Dan


There are 2 Replies.

#: 16572 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  05:57:35
Sb: #16528-Shareware contest
Fm: Bill Cohagan 74375,313
To: Daniel Green 70312,3470

Dan-

 |                                                   ...   By the way, my
 |app doesn't run on the October release - it is looking for "USERRTL.DLL"
which
 |doesn't exist (apparently) in the October release.  Looks like I must have
 |linked with the wrong run-time library libs or something.

I've seen others with this problem and, as I recall, it indicates that you
have not recompiled your app under the Oct release.  If you *have* then you
might double check you makefile to see if one or more modules got left out. I
think all it takes is one module not recompiled and you'll get this error. As
I understand it this DLL doesn't exist anymore (obviously!) and its components
have been distributed among other DLLs that *do* exist.

Hope this helps.

 Bill

#: 16587 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  09:56:22
Sb: #16528-Shareware contest
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: Daniel Green 70312,3470

I contacted Microsoft regarding shareware contest entries and the October
release.  All apps have the same problem - there were changes made to the
library call formats.

I was told that all entries would be judged under the July pre-release so that
no rebuilds are required.  Whether or not MS will ask for rebuilds of apps
following the judging, I'm not sure.

  Len



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16796 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  19:53:14
Sb: #16587-Shareware contest
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Hi all,

 >>I was told that all entries would be judged under the July pre-release so
that
  no rebuilds are required.  Whether or not MS will ask for rebuilds of apps
  following the judging, I'm not sure.

I've done some checking around on this.  The submissions are being tested
under the July release; and although it says in the form that you may be asked
to rebuild your sample with a later release, it doesn't look like that is
being the case so far.  Earlier in this thread someone asked about
confirmation for the submissions.  Apparently confirmations started going out
only just a day or so ago.  If you haven't received a confirmation for your
submission, it's nothing to worry about at this point.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16546 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    03-Nov-92  21:22:47
Sb: WIN32 PROGRAMMING
Fm: Michael Trier 71044,2032
To: ALL

I am a Visual Basic programmer and before that in Turbo Pascual.  I am
interested in writing Windows programs in C (With the big boys).  I would like
to start out writing 32 Bit programs, to avoid the transition from 16 Bit
Windows.  I have the Win32 SDK CD-ROM.  What else do I need to begin writing
32 bit Windows programs.  I will need some C instruction,  I've messed around
with C in the past but I'm not strong in it.  Any help would be appreciated

Thanx
Michael

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16758 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  15:17:57
Sb: #16546-WIN32 PROGRAMMING
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Michael Trier 71044,2032 (X)

Michael,

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your order of development priority.
Although with the WIN32SDK  (32S) you can create 32 apps and run them on the
16 bit platforms, WINNT is probably best utilized through production of a
WIndows 3.1 16 bit application first.  Not only more forgiving as a
development platform, the skills gained will be readily adaptable to the
closely structured WIN32 API, and speed your development effort through a
flatter learning curve.  (Sort of like graduating the 101 course before
tackling the next level.)  Microsoft has taken great efforts to bring visual
BASIC programmers into the C world through Quick C for Windows, and then
teaching you to leverage the skills learned by moving up to the C/C++ 7.0 and
the Windows 3.1 SDK. Arguably, this is where the majority of the Windows ISV's
are, necessitating Microsoft's attention to this large group needing smooth
upward migration.

You should consider attending a Microsoft University Windows programming track
or C course, the catalog is available at 206/828-1507.  Strengthen your
skills, and then put them to use with the SDK's.  Don't worry, the WIN32SDK
CD-Roms will become that much more valuable to you.  Anyway, give it a wack,
and welcome aboard.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16800 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  20:59:02
Sb: #16758-WIN32 PROGRAMMING
Fm: Michael Trier 71044,2032
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Stu,

<<Reconsider your order of approaching Windows programming in C>>

        Thanks for the info.  After alot of reviewing today, I also came to
your conclussion that Quick C for Windows would be a good place for me to
start and then move on to MS C/C++ 7.0  and the Win 3.1 SDK.  I'm looking
forward to the world of Windows programming.

Sincerely,

Michael

#: 16804 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  22:44:04
Sb: July NT Video Drivers...
Fm: Steve Gibson 76067,4106
To: ALL


Hello Anyone!

I'm going NUTS looking at this 640x480 VGA standard res screen.  I've got S3
and Tseng4000 based boards ... but NT's setup won't give me these options.  I
can even see some tasty DLL's named TS_1024 and V7_1024 ... but they're
"beyond reach" !!!

Has ANYONE got any idea how to get the JULY version of NT (October worked
fine, but I **MUST** use JULY for judging the NT Shareware contest for COMDEX)
to ask me for more video card options??????????

HELP!                  ----->                  - Steve Gibson
                                                 (InfoWorld Magazine)
                                                 (SpinRite)




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16805 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  01:05:42
Sb: #16804-July NT Video Drivers...
Fm: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570
To: Steve Gibson 76067,4106

Steve,

It isn't as easy as a config dialog box...

If you read the July release notes, pages 54-55.  It has descriptions of how to
use et4000 and video-7 boards.  It's basicly a matter of copying the .sys
file to vga.sys, and the correct .dll file to vga.dll. (if running nt you
must ren the old files so that you don't get sharing violations)

Since you mentioned the et4000....

et400_60.sys --> vga.sys  60hz
et400_70.sys --> vga.sys  70hz
pdii.sys     --> vga.sys Orchard ProDesigner IIs

And

ts_1024.dll  --> vga.dll   1024x786
ts_800.dll   --> vga.dll    800x600

Good Luck.

Peter

#: 16314 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  17:25:45
Sb: WIN32 Shipment == WfW !
Fm: Mark Gibbons 76216,1032
To: Wayne C. Cannon 72330,177 (X)

       Actually, Wayne, the WFW disks probably are worth more than the CD.
Hopefully it's WFW 2.0. A great software product, from what I understand.



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16806 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  01:21:10
Sb: #16314-WIN32 Shipment == WfW !
Fm: Wayne C. Cannon 72330,177
To: Mark Gibbons 76216,1032 (X)

Unfortunately I   1) Already have WfW 2.0, and   2) am pretty insistant on
keeping straight-up in all my dealings with vendors, including Microsoft.
Unfortunately, with the very significant discounts being offered to and
demanded by large accounts, we little guys are the only ones paying
significant bucks for application software products like WfW.

Thanks.

--Wayne

#: 16702 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  04:25:20
Sb: Getting old messages
Fm: Randy Threewits 71005,1373
To: sysop (X)

Is there a way to retrieve old messages?  I was in a message thread addressing
a problem with the last message number of 15455.  I went to the DDK conference
and on vacation.  And it now that I'm back it seems that I have missed any
responses to my last message. If these old messages are in an archive
somewhere, please point me there. I found in the WINNT forum the archive
library, where they have a ZIP file of all the messages in WINNT for each
week.  If there does not exist such a library for MSWIN32, it would be a good
idea to add one.

Thanks.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16781 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  18:04:43
Sb: #16702-Getting old messages
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Randy Threewits 71005,1373 (X)

What section were you in Randy?  I know that Otto Fung was zipping them and
uploading messages to one of the libraries; but I haven't been up there nor
have I heard anything lately about this, so I don't know where they are on
this.  However, the internal tool that I use is able to retrieve some of the
messages that have scrolled off.  If you like, I can grab them and paste them
into a post to you.  I do have to know what section they are in though so that
this tool can find them.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16807 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  03:59:19
Sb: #16781-Getting old messages
Fm: Randy Threewits 71005,1373
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

The section of the message was #13 (NT DDK), the message number that I needed
and any resulting responses was #15455. Thanks for bailing me out, I guess I
shouldn't take vacations eh?

#: 16672 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    04-Nov-92  18:49:32
Sb: NT Speaker
Fm: Douglas MacDonald 70760,20
To: sysop (X)

I am involved in the /cny UNIX Users Group and would like to have someone
knowledgeable of Windows NT speak at our December 10th UNIX User Group
meeting.  I have spoken with a Bryan Moran at Microsoft and he indicated that
there was perhaps someone in Ithaca New York who could do it.  It has been a
couple weeks since I last spoke with Bryan and have left several voice mails
on his phone but he has never returned them.

Is there someone available to speak on NT?  We are a small group (60 members,
300 mailing list) and are not able to pay for the speaker or the
transportation.  Bryan seemed to indicate that Microsoft had "Evangelists"
just for this type of NT presentation.    Thanks   Doug MacDonald




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16821 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  10:47:00
Sb: #16672-NT Speaker
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Douglas MacDonald 70760,20

Doug,

I sent your request on to the various parties who handle speaking engagements
relative to NT.  I'm waiting for a response and will fill you in as soon as I
hear anything.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team

#: 16302 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    01-Nov-92  12:25:44
Sb: Oct. rel. in Canada
Fm: Louis Bouchard 72301,3565
To: all

When canadian developers are supposed to receive the october release of
Windows NT ?

and could you please check if my name is still on your mailing list:
   Louis Bouchard
   179 Des Jesuites
   Chicoutimi, PQ
   G7H 3B4, Canada

Thanks

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16399 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    02-Nov-92  16:08:07
Sb: #16302-Oct. rel. in Canada
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Louis Bouchard 72301,3565 (X)

Checking for you, looks liketwo weeks or so.  You are still on our mailing
list.
 Stu Wiley Developer Service Team



There are 2 Replies.

#: 16802 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    05-Nov-92  21:43:44
Sb: #16399-Oct. rel. in Canada
Fm: Jonathan Carroll 74017,3242
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

I too am on the Canadian list or should be, for the Win NT Beta. My name is
Jonathan Carroll, Montreal Canada.  Could you check if I'm still listed?
We've got a large Novell base (87 servers connected by fiber optic backbone)
and would like to make sure the stuff we've already written is still ok.

Jon.

#: 16853 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  15:45:18
Sb: #16399-Oct. rel. in Canada
Fm: Louis Bouchard 72301,3565
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Thanks,

    I hope i will have less problem to install this new release than I had to
install the last one... anyway we will see in a few weeks.

Louis

#: 16870 S1/NonTech Cust. Serv.
    06-Nov-92  18:00:59
Sb: Win32 SDK installation
Fm: Ron Simmons 76615,3452
To: SYSOP

I just installed NT on an 80386/40 system which uses and Adaptek 1542
controller to support a Segate 296N (80Mb drive) and a Syquest 555 (40 Mb
removable).  I used a Toshiba XM3301 to install the system from the October
1992 release. Everything worked fine until I tried to install the SDK portion.
I had wanted to set it up on the Syquest device, but the installation will not
recognise the drive (the rest of NT works just fine with it). Any
suggestions?...

Thanks, Ron Simmons (76615,3452)




#: 16610 S3/SQL Server SDK
    04-Nov-92  11:23:21
Sb: SQL server on NT:TCP/IP
Fm: Mike Snowden 100021,3015
To: James McDaniel [MS] 71075,415

We would like to be able to use the TCP/IP link from a SYBASE open client
interface directly into an NT SQL server; the cost of including the SQL
bridge means that we might as well go SYBASE all the way.

Any comments?





#: 16298 S4/API-User Interface
    01-Nov-92  11:49:48
Sb: FM extension
Fm: Mark Gamber 76450,2754
To:  76450,2754 (X)

I'm writing a File Manager extension that creates a small window used for
drag-drop to delete files. The menu hooks in, the window is created and when I
drag selected files over the window, I get the little "document" cursor. The
problem is, I never get a WM_DROPFILES message from the shell. I've tried the
CreateWindowEx using WS_ACCEPT_FILES and DragAcceptFiles() methods, both to no
avail. Any idea if something's wrong internally? I can upload source for
examination if you'd like.
   Mark


#: 16303 S4/API-User Interface
    01-Nov-92  12:58:15
Sb: FM extension (pt 2)
Fm: Mark Gamber 76450,2754
To:  76450,2754 (X)

Update to previous Drag-Drop problem: When I run Spy and spy on the FM
extension's window, it gets the WM_DROPFILES message and everything works ok.
Exit Spy and it stops getting the message. I used Pview before during and
after and the extension and SHELL32 is loaded into Winfile's address space, so
everything seems to be there....just no working.
   Mark

#: 16332 S4/API-User Interface
    02-Nov-92  09:44:38
Sb: Win32s programing in 3.1
Fm: Paul Ligeski 76636,1166
To: Sysop (X)

Hi,

<This is the best place I can find for this Win32s question> <I can't see
sections 13 or 14>


Is there a way to use the Win32s libraries under Windows 3.1?  Currently, I
cannot get 3.1 apps to run under Windows NT.


--Paul



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#: 16395 S4/API-User Interface
    02-Nov-92  15:59:11
Sb: #16332-Win32s programing in 3.1
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Paul Ligeski 76636,1166 (X)

Paul,  The software that you are using to access CIS may be preventing you
from seeing sections 13 & 14 since they were probably closed when you first
joined this forum.  Both of these sections ARE open at this point. Section 14
is the correct place to get Win32s help.  Look for messages 16209 or 16330.
These were both posted in section 14.

 >Is there a way to use the Win32s libraries under Windows 3.1?

Yes, the October beta release provides the technology necessary for you to run
applications built for the Win32 API on Windows 3.1.  See page 11 of the
release notes for more information on win32s.  See the \mstools\win32s
directory on the compact disk for the relevant files.

 >Currently, I cannot get 3.1 apps to run under Windows NT.

This is a separate issue from Win32s.  If you just have the executable files
for the 3.1 applications, I'd recommend asking for help in section 4 of the
WINNT (end user issues) forum.  If you are talking about your own applications
that you have source code for, you are welcome to ask the questions here.  It
would help if you could be more specific.  Thanks,

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16396 S4/API-User Interface
    02-Nov-92  15:59:16
Sb: #16190-DLGTEMPLATE
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

To: Anyone interested in the win32 dlgtemplate format.

I just uploaded a small sample to library 4 which shows how to dynamically
create a dialog from a dlgtemplate structure in memory.  The file is named
DYNDLG.ZIP, and includes the c file and a makefile.

Howard Myers was correct (perhaps this was no surprise to anyone).  Even
CreateDialogIndirectA() expected the strings in the dlgtemplate to be unicode
strings.

I hope that you find this sample useful.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16600 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  10:52:41
Sb: UDP datagrams
Fm: John Dinga 75300,1745
To: sysop (X)

I asked this question of the WINNT forum and they sent me here. I would like
write a program under NT that sends and receives UDP datagrams.  Does anyone
have any example code.  Is this covered in any of the manuals I received with
my NT beta kit.

Thanks, Max.

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#: 16621 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  13:18:46
Sb: #16600-UDP datagrams
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: John Dinga 75300,1745 (X)

Hi John,
  >I would like write a program under NT that sends and receives UDP
  >datagrams.  Does anyone have any example code.  Is this covered in any
  >of the manuals I received with my NT beta kit.

  You can use the Windows Sockets DLL to send datagrams.  This provides
  API is based on Berkeley sockets.  Here is a small example:
  {
    PPROTOENT pprotoent;
    SOCKET s;
    int cc;

    pprotoent = getprotobyname("UDP");
    s = socket( AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, pprotoent->p_proto);
    cc = sendto( s, buf..)
   }
  In the Windows Sockets implementation they provide Windows Specific Api
  (WSA prefixed) functions which anables the Windows programmer to receive
  notice of socket events via the message queue.

  If you have any follow up questions, please post in section 12 of Forum
  MSWIN32 (RPC/WinNet).

  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16397 S4/API-User Interface
    02-Nov-92  15:59:22
Sb: Resource formats
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: All

There have been several inquiries in this section about dialog templates and
menu templates in Win32.  The binary formats have been widened, and are no
longer the same as they were in Windows 3.1.

I have just uploaded a file which documents the win32 resource formats. The
file is RESFMT.ZIP, in library 4.  It includes a WinWord DOC file as well as a
plain text TXT file.  Notice that these formats are not documented anywhere on
the distributed compact disk.  This is currently the only place that you can
get them.  (My understanding is that the printed and online references will be
updated by the next release to include the information which we are now
distributing here.)

If anyone has any problems with this file, please let me know.  Thanks,

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16655 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  16:11:05
Sb: #16397-Resource formats
Fm: Samuel Feldman 70403,432
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Steve,

Thank you for uploading RESFMT.ZIP.  Here is some feedback on its contents.

Section 2.1.1.5
        PUSHBOX is obsolete

Section 2.1.2  EXSTYLE
        The form EXSTYLE=<flags> appearing on the DIALOG statement
        is not supported (apparently).  I'm not sure it made sense anyway.

Section 2.1.6  MESSAGETABLE
        What is the format of the message file?  Is this really a supported
        statement?

Section 3.5  Additional Header Information
        Although the data presented here is all correct, the section refers
        to "additional information" and "the ResAdditional structure."
        These references should be removed for clarity, since there is a
        single structure documented.

Section 3.5.2  Memory Flags
        The resource compiler does not ignore the specified settings.  Of
        course they are ignored in the .EXE file (right?).

Section 4.2  Icon Resources
        There is no "padding" field in either the IconHeader or
        ResourceDirectory structures.

Section 4.3  Menu Resources
        The text should mention that menu items are not dword-aligned.

Section 4.4  Dialog Box Resources
        PUSHBOX is obsolete

Section 4.5  Cursor Resources
        There is no "padding" field in the CursorHeader structure.
        ResourceDirectory structures do NOT "starts on a DWORD
        boundary."

Section 4.12  Version Resources
        The structure definitions for all sub-blocks are missing the wLength
        and wValueLength fields: StringFileInfo, StringTable, String,
        VarFileInfo, and Var.
        The szKey[] field in the StringTable structure has a comment that it
        is 8 bytes.  Actually it is 8 characters (16 bytes).

Section 4.13  Messagetable Resources
        The format of these does not match what RC currently does -- which
        is to copy the content of the message file byte for byte into the

  [OzCIS: Continued in next msg]

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#: 16656 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  16:11:10
Sb: #16655-Resource formats
Fm: Samuel Feldman 70403,432
To: Samuel Feldman 70403,432 (X)


  [OzCIS: Continued from previous msg]

        .RES file.  Is this supported currently?  If it will be supported,
        the fields in the structures need to be documented, especially those
        that are not obvious (OffsetToEntries, Flags, whether Text[] is
        null-terminated).

That's it for now!

 -- Samuel

#: 16462 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  09:39:49
Sb: Graying EDIT control
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

Having set the initial value of an edit control in the WM_INITDIALOG message
handling, how do I get it drawn grayed out when the dialog is first drawn?
Setting the edit control to disabled in the dialog editor does not appear to
do this.



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#: 16674 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  19:16:01
Sb: #16462-Graying EDIT control
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: David Manns 100112,2773

David Manns,  I have just recreated the problem which you describe. For now, a
reasonable work around is to call EnableWindow, FALSE with each edit control
that you want disabled.  I have observed that such edit controls are painted
gray, as we would expect.  Apparently the text color is set for the HDC only
when the edit control receives a WM_ENABLE message (which is a result of
calling EnableWindow, FALSE). The edit control does NOT set the text color at
create time, based on the WS_DISABLED bit, as it should.  This is a bug, I've
reported it, and we will try to get it fixed by the next release.  Thanks.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16461 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  09:39:45
Sb: rc fails on DLGINCLUDE
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

The dialog editor inserts the line:
    1 DLGINCLUDE "id.h"

in the .DLG file, which causes the resource compiler to fail. Changing the
line to be:
    #include "id.h"

allows RC to work okay. Is this a known problem, or am I doing something
wrong?


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#: 16676 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  19:34:09
Sb: #16461-rc fails on DLGINCLUDE
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: David Manns 100112,2773

David Manns,  I find that I am able to DLGEDIT a res file, allow the DLGEDIT
program to write "1 dlginclude file.h" in the .dlg file, and then successfully
resource compile the .rc file.  However, I will not doubt that you are able to
get it to break.  The semantics of DLGINCLUDE have changed somewhat in Win32.
I am including a "Knowledge Base article" which describes this change.  If you
feel that this covers the problem you are seeing, please consider the issue
reported. If you think that you are seeing a different problem, please respond
again with more information which will allow me to reproduce it here. Thanks,

Steve Firebaugh

 INF: Use of DLGINCLUDE in Resource Files
 ID: Q91697     CREATED:  2-NOV-1992   MODIFIED:  2-NOV-1992
 3.10    WINDOWS


Summary:

The Windows 3.1 SDK Dialog Editor needs a way to know what include file is
associated with a resource file that it opens. Rather than prompt the user for
the same of the include file, the name of the include file is embedded in the
resource file in most cases.

Embedding the name of the include file is done with a resource of type RCDATA
with the special name DLGINCLUDE. This resource is placed into the .res file
and contains the name of the include file. The dialog editor looks for this
resource when it loads a .res file. If it is found, then the include file is
opened also. If not, the editor prompts the user for the name of the include
file.

In some Windows 3.1 build environments, the dialog editor was used to create
dialogs which were placed in more than one .dlg file. These different .dlg
files were then included in one .rc file that was compiled with the resource
compiler. So the resource file gets multiple copies of a RCDATA type resource
with the same name, DLGINCLUDE, but the resouce compiler and dialog editor do
not complain.

In the Win32 Preliminary SDK, changes were made so that this resource has its
own resource type. It was changed from an RCDATA type resource with the
special name, DLGINCLUDE, to a DLGINCLUDE resource type whose

[More]

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#: 16677 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  19:34:15
Sb: #16676-rc fails on DLGINCLUDE
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

[Continued]

name can be specified. The dialog editor would look for resources of the type
DLGINCLUDE.

For the October beta, there was a change made to CvtRes so that it gives an
error if it finds a resource that has the same type, name, and language as
another resource in the file. We are being stricter about the resources
needing to be unique in the Win32 SDK than the Windows 3.1 SDK. This is good,
because there was never any guarantee at run time which of the two or more
resources would be returned by LoadResource().

This means that some apps being ported to Windows NT will give an error when
their resources are compiled, because they will have duplicate RCDATA type
resources with the same name (DLGINCLUDE). This error is by design. The
work-around is straightforward: delete all the DLGINCLUDE RCDATA type resource
statements from all the .dlg files.

Finally, because it does not make much sense to have the DLGINCLUDE type
resources in the executable at all, CvtRes will strip them out so that they do
not get linked into the exe.

#: 16270 S4/API-User Interface
    31-Oct-92  08:41:40
Sb: Comm Defaults
Fm: Kent Stewart 75146,224
To: All

I was caught off guard by the comm side of NT. I'm so used to smart modems and
comm programms that I missed the lack of baud rates > 19200. What is worse is
the choice provide be NT when a high rate is requested. I could understand
setting the connection rate to 19200 in these cases but setting the rate to
300 baud left me shaking my head in disgust. I was using Forsberg's zcomm,
with the rate set to 38400 and using a ns16550afn, and I kept getting
connections at 300 baud. I though I had a modem/port problem until I set the
rate to 19200 and I was able to connect to CIS, Genie, and Bix at my normal
rates of 2400 to 9600.

You really should consider what the default rate is if you don't support the
one requested. Since, you are buffering the connection, setting the rate to
the very slowest is very expensive since most services (including the phone
company) base charges on connection time more than the speed of the
connection.

Kent

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#: 16309 S4/API-User Interface
    01-Nov-92  14:54:22
Sb: #16270-Comm Defaults
Fm: neil colvin 71650,3517
To: Kent Stewart 75146,224 (X)

I have been running NT comm at 38400 since the July release with no problem.
This sounds like a program problem, not a NT problem.

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#: 16317 S4/API-User Interface
    01-Nov-92  18:00:20
Sb: #16309-Comm Defaults
Fm: Kent Stewart 75146,224
To: neil colvin 71650,3517 (X)

It was a dos program running under NT. It thought it was running at 38400. I
have identical responses with Cim 2.0x and Zcomm, which makes it appear to be
a dos/nt interaction.

Kent

#: 16429 S4/API-User Interface
    02-Nov-92  19:45:59
Sb: #16270-Comm Defaults
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Kent Stewart 75146,224 (X)

Hi Kent,

Sorry, this is a little outside my normal realm.  This really isn't a
programming issue, but a configuration issue for the DOS/WOW layer.  Let me
ask you to re-ask this question in WinNT, Section 4 "DOS/Win3.x Apps" support.
I thought the default setting was 1200.  If it's been set to 300 under
DOS/WOW, then it might be a "Lowest Common Denominator" issue. However, like I
said, this is a question that they would be more familiar with.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [@Microsoft]



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#: 16682 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  20:27:09
Sb: #16429-Comm Defaults
Fm: Kent Stewart 75146,224
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

I'll move over to that area, Jerry.  I couldn't imagine 300 baud for the
default but file downloads of 28cps don't lie.

Kent

#: 16495 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  14:53:09
Sb: DDEML connect prob
Fm: David Armitage 76702,1002
To: all


I am working on a DDEML server app that I ported from Win 3.1 and I get an
Access Violation from NTSD. The server app runs without problems in 3.1 and if
I run it as a 3.1 app in NT I have no problem. But if my 32 bit client app
tries to connect to the 32 bit server app I get the error.

When stepping through the assembly code in WinDbg the error occurs after I
have received my XTYP_CONNECT and *BEFORE* I receive my XTYP_CONNECT_CONFIRM.
In other words outside of my callback code.

Here is what NTSD says:
  Access Violation
  USER32! __ClientDDEMLInitiateServer + 0x151:

Is there something that I am not doing that I should be doing for NT? If you
have any ideas on why DdeConnect() would give me this, I would love to here
them.

Thanks

Stephen 76701,1002



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#: 16688 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  21:41:06
Sb: #16495-DDEML connect prob
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: David Armitage 76702,1002 (X)

Hi David,

I went through our knowledge databases, and didn't see anything that seem
related to this.  My first suggestion is to look at the DDEML samples provided
on the SDK.  There are several installed under
..\mstools\samples\ddeml\... See if the client and the server applications can
give you any suggestions.

If you don't get anywhere with that, let me know.  We'll talk about stripping
your code down into some very small examples which I can look at and test for
a possible system bug.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



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#: 16713 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  07:52:06
Sb: #16688-DDEML connect prob
Fm: David Armitage 76702,1002
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Jerry,

Thanks for getting back to me. I did check the sample apps and found nothing
at first and they all ran fine. I'm going to go through them again and see
what I can find. Its weird because my apps ran fine on Win 3.1 and also they
run fine on Win32s. It is just both 32 bit server and client running on NT.

Thanks Stephen

#: 16573 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  07:00:13
Sb: Printf Outputs?
Fm: richard c. allen 71621,2420
To: all

I am starting to play with DLL's under NT, I have a simple question. My first
dll is a simple console dll which used printf()'s to tell me what was
happening. (The order coming out was not sync, but okay). I then called the
DLL from a generic NT WIndows Application. WHERE did the PRINTF's go? I didn't
remove them from the DLL, did the system ignore them? Is there a Stdout/Stdin
for Win32? Curious... Richard C. Allen

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#: 16680 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  20:12:16
Sb: #16573-Printf Outputs?
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: richard c. allen 71621,2420 (X)

Hi Richard,

 >>I am starting to play with DLL's under NT, I have a simple question. My
first
  dll is a simple console dll which used printf()'s to tell me what was
  happening. (The order coming out was not sync, but okay). I then called the
  DLL from a generic NT WIndows Application. WHERE did the PRINTF's go? I
didn't
  remove them from the DLL, did the system ignore them? Is there a
Stdout/Stdin
  for Win32? Curious...

I guess I'm a little confused by what you're doing, and what you're seeing.
Does your DLL allocate a console???  To answer your question: yes, Win32 apps
have a Stdout and a Stdin.  By default though, they don't point to anything.
You can do things like redirect Stdin/Stdout to a file from the command line,
and then call your window app.  This should pipe the printfs to the file.  You
can also allocate a console using AllocConsole from your window app, and get
the printfs that way.  To learn more, you might start browsing the
GetStdHandle() and SetStdHandle() API and go from there (these calls allow you
to get and set the handles).

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



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#: 16708 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  05:51:39
Sb: #16680-Printf Outputs?
Fm: richard c. allen 71621,2420
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Thanks, I will look into it. My simple DLL just used some Printf's in the
entry function and I had the SIMPLE app call to the DLL. I saw the outputs
from the DLL appear on the console where I started SIMPLE. I then used GENERIC
to call my DLL and did not see any outputs from the DLL's Printf's. I did not
use any command line nor AllocConsole. Its a new world.... Richard C. Allen

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#: 16738 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  12:47:57
Sb: #16708-Printf Outputs?
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: richard c. allen 71621,2420 (X)

Hi Richard,

It is: a new concept.  It took me a little getting use to too.  Have a look at
the console stuff.  If you have any questions regarding the console API or
concepts, please post questions in the BASE section (Section 6).

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16498 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  15:06:30
Sb: AllocConsole question
Fm: Alan feuer 75500,3610
To: David Armitage 76702,1002 (X)

How can a console be created with an initial state? The routines to modify a
console require a handle to the console, but the only way to get a handle to a
console is to create one.  Unfortunately, AllocConsole causes the console to
appear.

Is there a way to create a console without causing it to appear?

alan feuer

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#: 16681 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  20:12:23
Sb: #16498-AllocConsole question
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Alan feuer 75500,3610 (X)

Hi Alan,

 >>How can a console be created with an initial state? The routines to modify
a
  console require a handle to the console, but the only way to get a handle to
a
  console is to create one.  Unfortunately, AllocConsole causes the console to
  appear.

  Is there a way to create a console without causing it to appear?

I don't believe there is a way to do this.  I'll have a look in the source
code to see how AllocConsole is working, and perhaps I discover some sort of
work around.  Before I do however, can you please tell me exactly what it is
you're trying to do.  Perhaps I can provide you with another work around, or
it will help me to identify one.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



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#: 16699 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  23:54:01
Sb: #16681-AllocConsole question
Fm: Marc Singer 72130,2546
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Have you the ability to create the console 'off screen' so that it can be
configured before being moved to an on screen location?




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#: 16739 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  12:48:02
Sb: #16699-AllocConsole question
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Marc Singer 72130,2546 (X)

Hi Marc,

 >>Have you the ability to create the console 'off screen' so that it can be
   configured before being moved to an on screen location?

Not that I know of.  I may find out more once I've had a chance to see how the
AllocConsole API is emplemented in the source code.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16710 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  07:03:16
Sb: #16681-AllocConsole question
Fm: Alan feuer 75500,3610
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

I'm simply trying to do something similar to ProgMan. I would like to create a
console from a GUI app, but have the console begin with certain attributes.

Alan Feuer

#: 16554 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  21:38:03
Sb: Win16 on NT
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: David Risack 75300,3712 (X)

Hi David,

 >>I'm trying to figure out how to debug a win-16 app under NT.  Currently the
  App crashes on exit from it and on certain other occasions. How can I
  currently debug I win-16 app. Even something that would tell me the last API
  call made would give me a hint.

Options are pretty limited, as we haven't had time to work on this yet.  I
understand we have some things in the works, but their aren't any details yet
available.  I know that CodeView will not work.  I've heard that QCWin will
work as a debugger now, but I haven't had a chance to do this yet myself, so I
can't answer anything about its robustness yet.  If you have it available to
you, please try it.

 >>Is there anyway to figure out what's going on? (without a way to debug
under
  NT it's hard to be more specific other than the app crashes-- we'll probably
  have to start throwing message boxes or doing file output to try and figure
  where if there is no current way to do this.)

You say this works under Windows 3.1, but not with Windows NT under the WOW
layer.  Are you touching hardware directly with this app?  Is it doing
anything tricky with memory?
 It's very hard to suggest anything without having the problem narrowed down
some.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



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#: 16567 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  04:31:33
Sb: #16554-Win16 on NT
Fm: David Risack 75300,3712
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Nope we aren't accessing any of the hardware directly. I'm not exactly sure
what you mean by doing anything tricky with memory, but I don't think so. I
don't believe I have access to QCWin. So currently I have no debugger to debug
my win-16 apps under NT. (Which I shouldn't have to do anyway because it
should work :) There must be someproblems with the WOW layer.

-->Dave

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#: 16689 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  21:41:11
Sb: #16567-Win16 on NT
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: David Risack 75300,3712 (X)

Hi Dave,


 >>(Which I shouldn't have to do anyway because it
  should work :) There must be someproblems with the WOW layer.

Well, it's pretty early to make that call yet; although I'm sure that the WOW
layer isn't 100% yet.  How big is this code, what's it doing?  Are you getting
anywhere at all with it?  Is it something you can narrow down to a page or two
and demonstrate the crash?  If you can narrow this down to something small and
concrete that I can take to the developers, I'd like to have a look at it.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



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#: 16704 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  05:12:49
Sb: #16689-Win16 on NT
Fm: David Risack 75300,3712
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Unfortunately we haven't tracked down the crash under NT yet (we don't have a
debugger to help us so it's tougher to find.) Since the app runs fine under
Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and the debug versions of either I'd have to presume it's
a bug in the WOW layer. (Because if it fully emulated it properly it would run
right? :)

I believe MS has a copy of our application on file that they can test with
windows NT.

-->Dave

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#: 16742 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  13:02:40
Sb: #16704-Win16 on NT
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: David Risack 75300,3712 (X)

Hi David,

Sorry, can you tell me who here might have a copy of the application?  Were
you in the porting lab at one time, or have you worked with someone
specifically with this application in the past.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16683 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  20:54:10
Sb: #16554-Win16 on NT
Fm: Sheldon Fox 70162,3422
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Jerry,

PMJI,  I have tried QCWin under NT and while it comes up OK and loads my
project (which works fine in Win 3.1 on the same machine), once I press F5
("GO") the whole QCWin sessions hangs.  F8 (to step into the first line of the
program and then stop does the same thing.)  Trying to kill it ends up with
errors saying WOW can't get it to stop.  If you can remember who told you that
QCWin worked, maybe you can ask them if they have any secret incantations that
are usuful in getting it to work <g>.

Sheldon

#: 16748 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  14:15:22
Sb: UnpackDDElParam poor
Fm: Bruce Cowan 73650,32
To: all

I think UnpackDDElParam is a little bit broken: It will crash with an access
violation if called to unpack the lParam received in a WM_DDE_ACK message which
is an answer to a WM_DDE_INITIATE. Now, I can obviously write my code to check
whether I am currently sending a WM_DDE_INITIATE and not call UnpackDDElParam
in this case, and I agree that UnpackDDElParam is only supposed to be called to
process a posted DDE message, not a sent one, but, this makes the winproc ugly:

  ...
  if (!InSendMessage())
     UnpackDDElParam(...)
  else
     unpack it the old way
  ...

Why can't this code be put into UnpackDDElParam itself?

(Previously I reported what I thought were more problems with UnpackDDElParam,
in the wrong forum section, but I've now found that they were all fixed in the
October release. I at first thought they weren't, but that was because I had
some screwy code in my routine to get around problems in the July release.)

Bruce

#: 16684 S4/API-User Interface
    04-Nov-92  21:33:00
Sb: MMSYSTEM.DLL
Fm: John M. Brown 76437,2222
To: all

I am trying to use the MMSYSTEM.DLL for Multi-Media stuff under Oct-MIPS.  I
get and error saying the file is an incompatible file format type...

Is this file corrupted??

jmbrown DiagSoft, Inc.




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#: 16737 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  12:47:54
Sb: #16684-MMSYSTEM.DLL
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: John M. Brown 76437,2222 (X)

Hi John,

First think, make sure you're using the correct MMSYSTEM.DLL file (that it's
not the one for your Win 3.1 machine or something.  The file I have listed on
the MIPs machine is dated 10/10/92, and has a file size of 14848 bytes.

If it's the correct file, please repost this question in the GDI section
(Section 5).  We have some expertise on both MM and MIPs in that section right
now.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16773 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  17:06:39
Sb: #16684-MMSYSTEM.DLL
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: John M. Brown 76437,2222 (X)

Hi John,

In an earlier message to you, I wrote:

 >> First think, make sure you're using the correct MMSYSTEM.DLL file .....

A colleague of mine, who knows me to generally not to be so abrupt, pointed
this out and wondered if I had made a typing error.  I'm sorry, this was a
typing error, I meant to type:

 >> First thing, make sure you're using .....

Sorry if I sounded short to you, it was not intended.  (Thanks for the catch
Paul).

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16808 S4/API-User Interface
    06-Nov-92  04:39:47
Sb: MFC Comm Dlgs
Fm: Trip Tucker 76054,2250
To: Sysop (X)

It seems that there are still some problems with the Print Common Dialog and
MFC in the new release.  While this worked with the previous release, the
dialog does not initialize with the correct page numbers from the structure
and then does not return with the page numbers that were set.

The Font Dialog worked with the last release, but now tells you that there are
no fonts installed for the printer.  This is the same code that works for
WIN16 and worked with the July release.

Have you seen this?  Trip.

#: 16448 S4/API-User Interface
    03-Nov-92  06:07:48
Sb: GetNextWindow()
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Microsoft

I have been unable to get GetNextWindow() to work at all.  I try both of the
following:
        PrevHwnd = GetNextWindow( hwnd, GW_HWNDPREV );
        NextHwnd = GetNextWindow( hwnd, GW_HWNDNEXT ); where hwnd is my main
window handle.  There are other active windows.  While one of these may
legitamately return NULL, at least one of them should return a valid handle,
shouldn't it?  (This code works under 3.x)

The only sample program that uses this call is the OLE Client demo.  I tried
running it under debug to see if it could successfully use this call.
However, it will only call GetNextWindow() if it first gets something returned
from GetTopWindow().  This call was always returning NULL.  That may be
correct, since the sample is passing in a handle, thus, it should only get
handles for child windows.

Additionally, if you call FindWindow() using your own class and NULL for the
Window string, are you guaranteed that it will return a window handle other
than yourself?  I.e., can this function really be used to determine if there
are other instances of yourself running, as suggested in some of the porting
docs I have?  By reading the description of the function, it seems like your
own handle might get returned.  Since there is no way to tell it to then give
you the next occurrence, you'd be stuck, not knowing if there are others or
not.  (Might this only work for truely previous instances? It goes down the
list in order, so if it started before you, you'll get the other handle, if it
started after you, you'll get your own?)

Thanks!

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#: 16736 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  12:47:48
Sb: #16448-GetNextWindow()
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Howard Myers 76711,462 (X)

Hi Howard,

I've been working with a sample that uses the GetNextWindow().  I'm not
running into the same problems you are; however, it's not acting like I would
expect it to.  I've sent some mail to development to clear up a few behavior
and/or documentation errors.  As soon as some of these issues are cleared up,
I'll try and provide you with a sample or some information to help.  This
might take another day or two.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16741 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  12:57:39
Sb: #16736-GetNextWindow()
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056 (X)

Thanks!  I'll wait for your next reply.

Howard Myers

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16857 S4/API-User Interface
    06-Nov-92  16:09:12
Sb: #16741-GetNextWindow()
Fm: Jerry Drain [Microsoft] 72350,2056
To: Howard Myers 76711,462

Hi Howard,

I've just uploaded a very small sample called getnxt.zip into MSWIN32, Lib4.
 It's very simple, but it uses GetNextWindow() to list all of the windows on
the desktop by their caption bar title, and the window handle value.  Please
compare this with your code, and let me know what questions arise.

Thanks,
  -- Jerry [Win32 SDK Developer Support]

#: 16798 S4/API-User Interface
    05-Nov-92  20:46:03
Sb: Status of upload
Fm: murray snowden 76620,702
To: API-User Interface

I uploaded a file that has problem after program exits - sharb.zip. How do i
get status. Did you receive it? File was sent on 10-31-92.
 I placed it under item 4 - API - User Interface.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16858 S4/API-User Interface
    06-Nov-92  16:10:28
Sb: #16798-Status of upload
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: murray snowden 76620,702

Murray,   We have not seen sharb.zip.  I aksed our sysop, and he did not have
any record of it.  That is the first time I have heard of this happening in
this forum.  If you would, please upload it again, and post a message here
with information about it.

Please note that almost all of our work here is driven by message postings. We
do not watch the libraries for work to do.  If you want someone to look at an
issue, please post a message.  Thanks.

Steve Firebaugh




#: 16334 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    02-Nov-92  10:04:05
Sb: #16265-Screen Saver
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Mark Gamber 76450,2754 (X)

Hello Mark,

Thanks for the feedback, I will pass that along to our developers...

petrus


#: 16268 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    31-Oct-92  06:52:30
Sb: Vid driver for ATI UPro?
Fm: Chuck Venter 76424,2626
To: all

I'm guessing at the section here,  I'm assuming video drivers are part of
graphics?

Has anyone got (supported or not) a driver for the october release that
supports the ATI Ultra Pro video accelerator card?

ATI hasn't but i heard that some people at Microsoft were using that card and
wondered if they have something we can use till ATI delivers (or hell freezes
over, whichever comes first).  :)



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#: 16335 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    02-Nov-92  10:04:10
Sb: #16268-Vid driver for ATI UPro?
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Chuck Venter 76424,2626 (X)

Hello Chuck,

 >>Has anyone got (supported or not) a driver for the october release that
supports the ATI Ultra Pro video accelerator card?<<

 No, Windows NT is not supporting the card yet...

 ...petrus

#: 16484 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  12:02:41
Sb: MIPS blt is sloooow!!!
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Lanre Amos 70550,2360 (X)

Hello Lanre,

 >>Blt functions on the MIPS (StretchBlt etc) is slooooooooow on the October
build. Much slower than on the July PDC! Any ideas what's going on here?<<

 Can you provide us with some more information so that we can look into this?

 1. Is this regarding screen update? With wallpaper? If so, how many bits per
pixel?
 2. Is this memory to memory blt?

 thanks,
 petrus

#: 16331 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    02-Nov-92  09:24:58
Sb: #16212-Bug in StretchBlt
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Hi, Steve

I checked out the STREBLT example and find the same problem that I reported.

Try this:

  - Open STREBLT.  Set the Source and Target values to 0, 0, 32, 32.
    This is the setting for a straight transfer of a 32x32 bitmap.

  - Select New Source and open up the EGYPT.BMP bitmap that comes with
    Windows.

  - You should have identical bitmaps on each side.  Note that there is
    tan (color) along the bottom edge of the bitmap.

  - Change the target Y to 31, and the target height to -32.  These
    are the values that I have found do the correct 'flip' since
    Windows 3.0.  Hit ENTER to activate the new settings.

  - Now you see a vertically flipped bitmap in the dest area, but notice
    that there is no color along the top edge.  This is the same result
    that I get in my application when it runs under Windows NT.

Please let me know what you see when you try it on your end.  Thanks!

    Best regards,
    Len



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#: 16602 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  11:03:28
Sb: #16331-Bug in StretchBlt
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Len,  Sorry about taking so long to respond.  I too have seen the 1 pixel
difference between Windows 3.1 and Win32.  I've been trying to track down
someone who can tell me which version is the correct behavior.  No luck yet,
but I'll keep trying.  As you've observed, this mirroring functionality is not
especially well documented, although I do not see any place where it is
actually wrong.

In any case, you are getting a vertically mirrored image right?  For now,
can't you use Y=32 (rather than 31) as a work around?  I find that this gives
me the upside down image exactly where I would want it.  Thanks.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16497 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  14:59:55
Sb: Bug in StretchBlt
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: All

I posted a bug in StretchBlt here last week.  Steve Firebaugh suggested that
there was no bug and to check out the STREBLT sample app.

I have checked out STREBLT and it reproduces the error I reported.  I noticed
that Steve hasn't received messages here since last week - perhaps someone
from Microsoft could read my message #16331 for the bug report. (The original
report is in message #16197).

Thank you!

    Len



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#: 16527 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  17:34:17
Sb: #16497-Bug in StretchBlt
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Len.  I am working on the problem which you posted yesterday.  I will have an
answer for you here by tomorrow morning.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16491 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  13:56:41
Sb: Video Cards
Fm: Absoft Corporation 76360,3551
To: All

92.11.03

Absoft is preparing some Windows NT graphically oriented demonstration
programs that will be displayed in one of the Intel hosted areas of
COMDEX. Many of our demos, written in FORTRAN and compiled with our
32-bit Windows NT compiler, are best when run on high resolution
displays with a bare minimum of 8 bit color. We have been contacting
24bit card manufacturers to see if any of them have drivers for Windows NT.
So far we've been drawing a blank. Can Microsoft supply a list of video
card vendors supporting drivers for the July build of Windows NT? We
would prefer either MCA or EISA cards. If we can't find appropriate
drivers/cards we'll probably change our operating system choice to
DOS or Unix; we'd prefer to show-off under Windows NT (some of our
demo apps make nice use of threads).



Jeff Knaggs
Absoft
2781 Bond St.
Rochester Hills, MI 48309
[phone] voice
[phone] fax
[phone] bbs 2400,8,1,n


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#: 16603 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  11:03:35
Sb: #16491-Video Cards
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Absoft Corporation 76360,3551 (X)

Jeff Knaggs,   If you have the October beta CD, there is a file named
\readme\oct92hcl.txt.  This is the "hardware compatibility list."  (I think
that this is also in a CIS library somewhere.  If you need it, let me know,
and I can either find it for you, or upload it.)  In any case, the supported
video cards from that file are listed below.  I hope that this helps,

Steve Firebaugh

[Excerpt from \readme\oct92hcl.txt...] Display Adapters ---------------The
following display adapters have been tested.

Actix Graphics ENGINE (1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, 256 colors) Diamond Stealth
VRAM (1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, 256 colors) Diamond SpeedStar (1024x768,
800x600, 16 colors) IBM VGA (640x480, 16 colors) Headland Technology/Video 7
VRAM VGA (1024x768, 800x600, 16 colors) Headland Technology/Video 7 VRAM II
(1024x768, 800x600, 16 colors) Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 (1024x768, 800x600,
640x480, 256 colors) Orchid ProDesigner IIs (1024x768, 800x600, 16 colors)
TSENG Labs ET4000 (1024x768, 800x600, 16 colors) IBM XGA(R)  (1024x768,
640x480, 256 colors) DELL DGX (1280x1024, 1152x900, 1024x768, 800x600,
640x480, 256 colors) S3 86C911 (1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, 256 colors)

Native display adapter on MIPS ARC/ R4000 systems from ACER, MIPS and Olivetti
(1280x1024, 1024x768, 256 colors)

#: 16734 S5/API-GDI/Graphics  [MSWIN32]
    05-Nov-92  12:21:23
Sb:
Fm:
To:

 >>Thanks for getting back to me, Bob. I was aware that critical sections are
an extreme solution there, and I used them so I was sure I understood the
sequencing of the threads.  That was while I still suspected the problem was
related to multi-threaded "clients", to use the X terminology.<<

 >>But remember we saw a rarer version of the same bug in Perfmonitor (July
rel) which is a single threaded app.  This make me much more suspicious of a
sequencing problem in the "server": i.e Window Manager.<<

>>>> Hmm...looks like a base issue.  Would you please repost this in the
>>>>API-Base/Section.

>>>> thanks, >>>> petrus

Done,

Dave



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#: 16659 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  16:35:31
Sb: Remember Perfmonitor
Fm: David Arathorn 70412,2772
To: Bob Landau, 70744,21 (X)

Thanks for getting back to me, Bob. I was aware that critical sections are an
extreme solution there, and I used them so I was sure I understood the
sequencing of the threads.  That was while I still suspected the problem was
related to multi-threaded "clients", to use the X terminology.

But remember we saw a rarer version of the same bug in Perfmonitor (July rel)
which is a single threaded app.  This make me much more suspicious of a
sequencing problem in the "server": i.e Window Manager.

Good Luck,

Dave



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#: 16734 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  12:21:23
Sb: #16659-Remember Perfmonitor
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: David Arathorn 70412,2772 (X)

David,

 >>Thanks for getting back to me, Bob. I was aware that critical sections are
an extreme solution there, and I used them so I was sure I understood the
sequencing of the threads.  That was while I still suspected the problem was
related to multi-threaded "clients", to use the X terminology.<<

 >>But remember we saw a rarer version of the same bug in Perfmonitor (July
rel) which is a single threaded app.  This make me much more suspicious of a
sequencing problem in the "server": i.e Window Manager.<<

 Hmm...looks like a base issue.  Would you please repost this in the
API-Base/Section.

 thanks,
 petrus

#: 16538 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  18:59:32
Sb: Real-time animation??
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Joe Peterson[CyberStore] 76150,1714 (X)

Hi Joe:

 Can you be a little bit more specific what kind of support you are looking
for?

 thanks,
 petrus



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16557 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  22:43:42
Sb: #16538-Real-time animation??
Fm: Joe Peterson[CyberStore] 76150,1714
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

If by support, you mean via NT, then here's what we need the ability to do:

1) Real-time animation -- not pre-recorded frame playing, or bitblt-ing.  We
need to generate graphical objects on the fly, and animate them.  That is,
move them around in a three-demensional world created by the software.  (This
world must be as dynamic as the real world, where objects in the world come
and go based on changes in the usage of the software, and what it is supposed
to do.)

2) Full-motion video, both full-screen and in a window.  This video must be of
a quality to parallel that of your average television picture.  This video
must be played back smoothly and without and jerkiness.

3) Full-stereo sound (or at least to the quality of available sound cards).
Just as for video, this sound playback must be smooth and without and
break-up.

4) The system must support a high-speed (9600 bps or better) communications
session while the "virtual world"/multimedia presentation per above is
running.

5) And lastly, the system must be capable of upcoming technologies, such as
voice recognition and generation.

Of course, we'd like all this to happen is a standard GUI environment as well.
 Currently, our view on Windows and OS/2 is that the GDI and GPI,
respectively, cannot handle the requirements I've outlined.  The implication
is that we must use "home-brewed" graphics routines in a full-screen
environment and by-pass all the functionality offered by the Windows or PM
interface.

My question to Microsoft is: can NT fill these requirements, both *currently*
(1 year or less down the pike), and into the future (two or more years along).
Given that we don't expect to complete development much earlier than 12 to 18
months from now, would say that we could count on support for our requirements
in NT?

jep



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#: 16767 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  16:07:59
Sb: #16557-Real-time animation??
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Joe Peterson[CyberStore] 76150,1714

Hello Joe,

 Thanks for the feedback. I will pass them along to our development. For point
3, full-stereo sound, Windows NT already support that.

 As for the other requirements, it really depends on what kind of hardware you
want to run on.  We do have plans to support multimedia areas other than
sound, but I don't have any time frame available for you.

 thanks,
 petrus

#: 16589 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  10:29:52
Sb: GetDC returns NULL-why?
Fm: Mike Payne 71062,3342
To: Anyone

Could someone please give me quick summary of why GetDC would return a value
of NULL. My aplication runs along fine, until, after about 30000 calls to
GetDC (And also calls to releaseDC ), GetDC just starts returning 0 for any
windows (it seems) which were not created before that point. All the windows
are of the same class, and have CS_OWNDC set . (Is this the problem?). Thanks
Chris Hall (71062,3342)

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#: 16799 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  20:58:58
Sb: #16589-GetDC returns NULL-why?
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Mike Payne 71062,3342

Hi Chris,

 >>Could someone please give me quick summary of why GetDC would return a
value of NULL. My aplication runs along fine, until, after about 30000 calls
to GetDC (And also calls to releaseDC ), GetDC just starts returning 0 for any
windows (it seems) which were not created before that point. All the windows
are of the same class, and have CS_OWNDC set . (Is this the problem?).<<

 Is it possible that you are running out of memory or hard disk space for the
swapping file? A memory leak somewhere?

 petrus

#: 16483 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  12:02:35
Sb: S3 Drivers
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Howard Myers 76711,462 (X)

Hello Howard:

 >>First, the SetDIBits with a 256 color logical palette is extremely slow.
(Approx. 10 times slower than 3.1) (Naturally, this assumes use of the
DIB_PAL_INDICES option. Using DIB_PAL_COLORS it is extremely fast, but
obviously gives incorrect results when 256 colors are required.)<<

 This will be fixed in Beta 2.  Think you might want to know...

 ...petrus




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#: 16492 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    03-Nov-92  13:57:08
Sb: #16483-S3 Drivers
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

Thanks!  I'm looking forward to Beta 2 already!

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16697 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  22:56:16
Sb: #16492-S3 Drivers
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Howard Myers 76711,462 (X)

Hello Howard,

 Wonder if you have found a work around for the color problem already. Here is
what I have discovered; you might want to use it as a temporary work around
for the Comdex. (I have already raised a bug against it, but might take a
while for it to be fixed.)

 Repeating the rendering process on a OWNDC will give the correct color.
(Actually, the second time and thereafter will work.) By repeating the
process, I meant selecting the palette, realizing the palette and then blting
the bitmap again.
 If this is not an OWNDC, that wonldn't work.  (Let me know if you like to see
my test code.)

 Hope that helps,

 petrus



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#: 16706 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  05:31:59
Sb: #16697-S3 Drivers
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

I'll give it a try.  I have worked around the color problem using SetPixelV(),
but this is quite slow.  Maybe your technique will help me get some speed
back.

Thanks!

#: 16803 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  22:33:56
Sb: #16697-S3 Drivers
Fm: Brian Moura 76702,1337
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)


We noted that the S3 640x480x256 driver works but the video is displayed
incorrectly.  Makes the screen image look like 800x600 and not 640x480.

Had to switch back to the NT VGA driver for correct video.





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#: 16844 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  14:02:54
Sb: #16803-S3 Drivers
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Brian Moura 76702,1337

Brian,

 >>We noted that the S3 640x480x256 driver works but the video is displayed
incorrectly.  Makes the screen image look like 800x600 and not 640x480.

 Hmmm...I tried switching back and forth among the 1024x768, 800x600 and
640x480 via regedit, the video looks fine to me...

 ...petrus

#: 16834 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  11:40:34
Sb: Video Adapters
Fm: Absoft Corporation 76360,3551
To: all

92.11.06

        Steve Firebaugh,

        We appreciate your response, but we will be using the
        the July release of Windows NT at COMDEX. Therefore,
        we need a list of display adapters which will work
        under the July release. We would like a display having
        24 bit color, but please give us a complete list of
        display adapters.

Bruce Meier
Absoft Corporation


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#: 16845 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  14:02:58
Sb: #16834-Video Adapters
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Absoft Corporation 76360,3551

Hi Bruce,

 Sorry for jumping in...but the October Beta don't have display driver support
for 24 bit color yet.  Our DDK was just released though.

 thanks,
 petrus

#: 16846 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  14:41:11
Sb: #16834-Video Adapters
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Absoft Corporation 76360,3551

Bruce Meier,

The July release offered fewer choices for video display.  There were only two
display adapters for X86 platform which offered more than four bit color:  the
IBM XGA and the DELL DGX, both with eight bit color. All of this is covered in
the release notes and hardware compatibility list which you should have
received at the same time that you got the July SDK itself.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16673 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    04-Nov-92  18:59:06
Sb: Making .FON files
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

Bruce,   Last week we were discussing the fact that EnumFonts() returns an
application FOUR versions of a bitmap font from a FON file.  (plain, italic,
bold, italic&bold).  I have finally heard back from the people responsible for
the EnumFonts() code.  They consider it a bug, and will fix the next release
so that it only returns one.  Thought you'd be interested.  Hope your work is
going well.

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16747 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    05-Nov-92  14:14:22
Sb: #16673-Making .FON files
Fm: Bruce Cowan 73650,32
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Thanks Steve.  Yes, otherwise things are going quite well.  The inability to
draw on DIBs will shortly cause me to have to rewrite quite a bit of code,
but ...  The only real problem is the time it takes to report all the bugs
to you folks <g>!

Bruce

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#: 16818 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  09:37:08
Sb: #16747-Making .FON files
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

Hi Bruce.

 >The only real problem is the time it takes to report all the bugs
 >to you folks <g>!

We really would like to be doing the best that we can on receiving such bug
reports, but we are subject to certain constraints.  I you have time, I'd
appreciate it if you could expand your comment.  1.  Do you consider the
medium of communication the problem here?  If so, what would be better? 2.  Do
you consider the response times you've been getting inadequate? 3.  Do you
consider the structure of this forum a problem?  Your comments appreciated.

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16835 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  11:41:46
Sb: #16818-Making .FON files
Fm: Bruce Cowan 73650,32
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Steve, the problem is that I have this rather large application which I am
porting to NT.  All I really want to do it get it working in NT.  However, NT
is quite buggy (no condemnation of NT intended) at this point, so when I run
into a problem I have to 1) make sure it isn't my bug, 2) isolate it into a
small piece of code if possible, 3) report it to you folks.  It is really the
second activity which causes all the time "wasting" - sometimes it is really
quite time-consuming to extract bits of things to figure out what is going on.

I'll give you an example.  Right now I have a problem where the system colors
get clobbered and I do not ask to have them clobbered.  Actually, only the
button shadow color gets clobbered.  I've spent some time trying to figure
out what is going on, with no luck so far.  Everything I've extracted from my
program works just fine in isolation!  Of course, if you know much about using
animated palettes you nkow that this is a complex situation anyway.  Hopefully
I'm getting somewhere (I just had another idea) and will be able to report
something useful on this problem soon.  (Needless to say, it all works fine in
Win 3.1.)

Bruce

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#: 16847 S5/API-GDI/Graphics
    06-Nov-92  14:41:16
Sb: #16835-Making .FON files
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32

Bruce,  Thanks for the feedback.  Fundamentally, this seems like the problem
which any project is going to run into developing software on a beta system.
The only slightly useful tool we would have to help you would be the
"Knowledge Base" which should contain a list of all of the bugs that we are
aware of.  You can 'GO MSKB' on Compuserve, but I have found that interface
rather clumsy.  We try to include the most up-to-date Knowledge Base on each
CD, but most of the bugs come in right AFTER the CD is released, not before.

Steve Firebaugh




#: 15692 S6/API-Base/Security
    23-Oct-92  12:06:27
Sb:
Fm:
To:
Note that GetCurrentProcess() only returns a psuedo handle which *only* has
meaning in the context of the calling process.
 hpsuedoHandle = GetCurrentProcess();
 retCode = DuplicateHandle( hpsuedoHandle,
 ... >> I have been playing a little bit with 'DuplicateHandle' but I could
not resolve my problem this way (I wanted to send a message to another
application). Now I am using the function 'PostThreadMessage' which works
satisfactorily, for the thread ids are unique in the system.

Christian Betrisey.





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#: 16267 S6/API-Base/Security
    30-Oct-92  22:20:40
Sb: Info on 'GetProcAddress'
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Neil Goldstein 70632,3566 (X)

<< I need info on GetProcAddress. We have created our own DLL and am not
getting the address back from a procedure point that we know is in the DLL,
but we are not getting an error either. >>

We'll need a bit more to go on... if you could post a small sample that
reproduces the problem we'll be glad to track the problem down. If it's a bit
to big to post (please avoid this at all costs - the smaller the better) you
can upload the sample to the forum library as per page 51 of the Oct release
notes. Thanks!

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft NT Support

#: 16312 S6/API-Base/Security
    01-Nov-92  16:31:17
Sb: GetUserName ???
Fm: Eric Brown 71214,1006
To: ALL (Tech. Support)

Every time I try to compile my program which calls "GetUserName", I get a link
error - GetUserNameA8@ undefined. GetUserName is defined in winbase.h, but I
guess it is not in and of the libraries as far as I can tell. It is in the
help files. Also, MAX_USERNAME_LENGHT is undefined. Currently, I am using
libc.lib, ntdll.lib and kernel32.dll. Is there anyway to get at this function
- or at least to get the user name of the current user in this release of
windows NT?

Thanks in advance, Eric.



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#: 16385 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  15:22:02
Sb: #16312-GetUserName ???
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: Eric Brown 71214,1006

Hi Eric -

>> Every time I try to compile my program which calls
  "GetUserName", I get a link error - GetUserNameA8@ undefined.
  GetUserName is defined in winbase.h, but I guess it is not in
  and of the libraries as far as I can tell.  It is in the help
  files.  Also, MAX_USERNAME_LENGHT is undefined.  Currently, I am
  using libc.lib, ntdll.lib and kernel32.dll.  Is there anyway to
  get at this function - or at least to get the user name of the
  current user in this release of windows NT?

Add in advapi32.lib to what you link in and it should work OK.

Thanks for the tip on the undefined define - I'll let the
  appropriate people know if they hadn't already noticed, and
  either the define will get added or the doc will get fixed

Bruce

#: 16409 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  16:44:25
Sb: #16215-Signal Anomaly
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Andrew Potter 71075,614 (X)

Hi Andrew,
  Thanks for providing the sample.
  We are looking into the problem.  We have reproduced what you describe.
  It appears to work sometimes (the second SPC> doesn't display periodically)
  We will post here when we get more information.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16280 S6/API-Base/Security
    31-Oct-92  12:05:53
Sb: FormatMessage bug?
Fm: Rex Conn (4DOS) 71333,202
To: Sysop (X)

There seems to be a bug in the October release version of FormatMessage. The
lower 8 bits of the first argument are supposed to specify the maximum line
length; instead FormatMessage with a FORMAT_MESSAGE_FROM_SYSTEM argument
truncates the first line to < 10 characters, inserts a CR/LF, and then fails
to add a trailing CR/LF on the second line.  I've kludged around it for the
moment by using a 0 in the lower byte & hoping the system error messages won't
be longer than 80 characters!

Also, I was under the impression that national language support was supposed
to be added in the October release, but the language ID field in FormatMessage
still isn't supported - is it supposed to be or was that put off until the
next beta?

       - Rex




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#: 16432 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  20:12:20
Sb: #16280-FormatMessage bug?
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Rex Conn (4DOS) 71333,202 (X)

<< There seems to be a bug in the October release version of FormatMessage.
The lower 8 bits of the first argument are supposed to specify the maximum
line length; instead FormatMessage with a FORMAT_MESSAGE_FROM_SYSTEM argument
truncates the first line to < 10 characters, inserts a CR/LF, and then fails
to add a trailing CR/LF on the second line.  I've kludged around it for the
moment by using a 0 in the lower byte & hoping the system error messages won't
be longer than 80 characters! >>

Thanks for catching this one! I've reported this bug to development. I'll let
you know when they get back to me on this.

<< Also, I was under the impression that national language support was
supposed to be added in the October release, but the language ID field in
FormatMessage still isn't supported - is it supposed to be or was that put off
until the next beta? >>

Not sure about the NLS issue, but this particular problem against
FormatMessage is still open - this bug hasn't been fixed. I don't have any
kind of timetable on when this will be fixed, hopefully by the next release.
For now you'll have to keep using 0 for the usPrimaryLangage parameter to the
MAKELANGID macro.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft NT Support

#: 16438 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  23:29:02
Sb: Communications timeouts
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

<< That doesn't work (at least in the current release) because the shortest
timeout you can specify is 1ms. and the internal interpretation of that seems
to be that it will wait until the next timer tick, which, on an Intel 486
machine seems to be about 10ms.  I know this because I have tried it and this
is the behavior it exhibits.

I really would like you to seriously consider the extension.  It should be
easy to implement and it does provide significant additional functionality. I
suppose you could fix the interval timeout to actually work at 1 ms which
would work for me, but I can't see an efficient way to do that. >>

Yes, the shortest timeout interval will be rounded up to the clock interval. I
don't think there's a way to get around this problem, I believe (and I'm no
hardware guru) it is largely a limitation of the speed of the CPU and the
length of a clock tick.

<< Further, if I use the short interval, then I can't read all the data that
has already arrived with a single call, since any read that specifies a count
greater than the available data will wait until a new character arrives and
then the timeout interval.  It could possibly be a *LONG* time until the next
character arrives.  I suppose I could use a call to find out how much data has
arrived and then read exactly that much, but that is getting complex and it
will suffer from the problem that because there are two separate calls, some
data could possibly arrive between the calls and it won't be read. >>

The interval timeout begins when the driver receives a character reguardless
of whether or not you are trying to read from the port at that moment - in
other words, if a char arrives, timing begins, then the timeout expires, then
you try a read, you will return right away with the available data since the
timeout has already expired. Give this a go and let me know how it works out -
it worked this way for me.

<< BTW, lots of communications port stuff is broken in the July release, but I
am not bothering to report it because I am expecting the next release any
moment

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#: 16439 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  23:29:08
Sb: #16438-Communications timeouts
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

[Continued]

now and thought I'd test things there before reporting problems. >>

By now you should have the Oct. release - if the specific problems aren't
fixed, please let me know. Best if you could forward small sample(s) to demo
the problems - this would be the fastest way to get these to the attention of
development and fixed in time for the next release. Thanks!

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft NT Support

#: 16446 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  05:46:38
Sb: Pointers
Fm: Dan Sullivan 76327,1534
To: SYSOP (X)

I have a general question about pointers. All the Win32 functions declare
pointers as long pointers (LPSTR for example). However all NT programming is
really small model so it seems that pointers should be just P and not LP. Was
this done to make porting of existing Win16 apps more straight forward? Is
there a concious style decision to retain LP as the standard for the future? I
would like to know so I can use similar naming of pointers in my NT app's.

Thanks Dan

#: 16463 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  09:39:52
Sb: Validating path names
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

Is there an API call to validate a path and/or file name? If we have to
validate our own, do we get any clues about the allowable name characters (esp
w.r.t FAT vs NTFS names)?

#: 16321 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  06:09:12
Sb: #16211-Portable File Commit
Fm: Robin 100025,604
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Thanks Dave, I'll see and get back to you.

Robin.

#: 16445 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  05:36:05
Sb: #16211-Portable File Commit
Fm: John Hardman 100023,2532
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Dave,

I thought fflush only flushed out the stream buffers (fopen type stuff) as
opposed to direct file i/o (open, sopen etc) stuff. Even with the stream
buffers I thought that fflush would flush the run-time library stream buffers
only rather than flushing any caching device such as Smartdrv ie. the stream
buffers would be flushed to smartdrv but smartdrv itself would not be flushed
to disk. Is this incorrect ?

I haven't looked at FlushFileBuffers yet - will do that this evening.
Obviously using FlushFileBuffers will mean using a #ifdef so that
FlushFileBuffers gets used for NT and the DOS3CALL (function 0Dh) used for Win
3.1 - a compromise (assuming it works) but that's not a problem.

Many thanks,

John Hardman (UK).




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#: 16488 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  12:37:49
Sb: #16445-Portable File Commit
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: John Hardman 100023,2532

>> I thought fflush only flushed out the stream buffers (fopen type stuff) as
opposed to direct file i/o (open, sopen etc) stuff. Even with the stream
buffers I thought that fflush would flush the run-time library stream buffers
only rather than flushing any caching device such as Smartdrv ie. the stream
buffers would be flushed to smartdrv but smartdrv itself would not be flushed
to disk. Is this incorrect ? <<

This is correct, it is necc. to use c-runtime file I/O to use fflush.

>> I haven't looked at FlushFileBuffers yet - will do that this evening.
Obviously using FlushFileBuffers will mean using a #ifdef so that
FlushFileBuffers gets used for NT and the DOS3CALL (function 0Dh) used for Win
3.1 - a compromise (assuming it works) but that's not a problem. <<

FlushFileBuffers() will do this, as well as specifying FILE_FLAG_WRITE_THROUGH
when doing a CreateFile().

-pete

#: 16326 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  07:49:34
Sb: DLL global var.
Fm: Christian Betrisey 76600,1450
To: John Stoddard

John,

<<Using global variable in a DLL>> Eventually everything is working fine. I
just have to initialize all the global variables. It is enough to initialize
only the 1st element of an array or structure. I do not need to export any
variables, for I access them through procedures. Thank you for your help.

Christian

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#: 16516 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  16:47:04
Sb: #16326-DLL global var.
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: Christian Betrisey 76600,1450 (X)

Good! I'm glad you got it working.  Eric has been very helpful with these
issues - it's definitely rather confusing...

John

#: 16458 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  09:39:33
Sb: Unicode printf
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

Is there an equivalent to "printf" and/or "fprintf" for printing a Unicode
text string with a Unicode format string (including %ts format)?



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#: 16534 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  18:56:07
Sb: #16458-Unicode printf
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: David Manns 100112,2773

Hi David  -

>> Is there an equivalent to "printf" and/or "fprintf" for
  printing Unicode text string with a Unicode format string
  (including %ts format)?

Coud you please repost this in MSWIN32/section 14, which is the
  Unicode section?  I'm sorry, I don't know the answer to this
  one.  The people who are most focussed on Unicode issues are in
  section 14.  Thanks!

Bruce

#: 16574 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  07:06:57
Sb: XACTION file Atrb
Fm: ken condal 72617,572
To: sysop (X)

I noticed a new file attribute for transaction processing and am very
interested in its uses. The help simply says that you must use 'transaction
semantics'. Where can I get info/examples and is this supported for all file
systems or just NTFS? Thanks, Ken

#: 16579 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  09:10:40
Sb: GetFileTitle bug
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: All

I reported a bug with GetFileTitle in the July release whereby the filename
returned had the first character truncated.  Thus the following result would
occur:

   -> Feed GetFileTitle the string "C:\WINDOWS\FILE.EXT"

   -> It returned "ILE.EXT" in the filename buffer.

I had to have a working function so I wrote my own function GetFileName to do
the proper processing (DOS/FAT filenames only).

Since loading the October release I uncommented out the old GetFileTitle call
to see if this had been corrected.  However now it appears that GetFileTitle
is returning an error code of 0 (successful) without doing a darn thing in the
return filename buffer.  The buffer has the exact same thing in it after the
call as it had before.

Please let me know if I can help further with this.

    Len

#: 16601 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  10:59:40
Sb: UnpackDDElParam problems
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

Bruce,

Would you please re-post this in the API-USER section, as DDE is considered to
be part of the User API.

Thanks,

-pete

#: 16514 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  16:44:59
Sb: DLL: shared data
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

Thanks, I'm mostly just curious, it's no big deal.

JS

#: 16560 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  00:04:17
Sb: DLL: shared data
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551 (X)

<< Yup, that's just what I was doing - accessing the variable from an .EXE,
and resetting its value there... This whole area was very confusing, I just
wrote a bunch of test programs until I found out what worked and what didn't
in my environment. The key item I wouldn't have guessed on my own was that it
was a *pointer* to the item that was exported - any idea why this was done? It
sure has been the source of most of my problems in porting from OS/2! >>

John, I've gotten word back on why this was done. The reason is that if the
loader has to do fixups all over the code pages to set these data references
to the correct addresses in the DLL, it dirties the code pages, which means
that the pager can't just toss them out and restore from the .exe image, but
must page the dirtied code pages out to the paging file. If, instead, only a
small indirection table (the Import Address Table) is used, the system won't
need to page out gobs of modified code pages. Applying these fixups takes
time, too, so there was a performance decision there.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support



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#: 16609 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  11:19:34
Sb: #16560-DLL: shared data
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

.. well, that makes sense. I was hoping it wasn't just arbitrary ;-)

JS

#: 16635 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  14:10:18
Sb: RegQueryKeyValue
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Marc Singer 72130,2546 (X)

<< The function is RegQueryValue, yes.  The parameter that is a problem is
lpcb. The type of pointer is different for NT than for Win 3.1.  One is signed
and one is unsigned. >>

Marc, I'm looking into this to see if this can be changed to avoid this
warning in the future. I'll get back to you as soon as I hear anything more on
this. Thanks for reporting this problem to us.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16639 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  14:53:47
Sb: Atom table
Fm: Christian Betrisey 76600,1450
To: sysop (X)

What is the max. length of an null-terminated string I can pass to the
function GlobalAddAtom? Thank you Christian.

#: 16308 S6/API-Base/Security
    01-Nov-92  14:45:00
Sb: DLL addresses
Fm: neil colvin 71650,3517
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

If my DLL builds large, interlinked, data structures (using C++ new), do I
have t write an entire new set of memory allocation routines to make all of
the allocations occur in the shared memory??  The implication is that I cannot
use any of the normal WIN32 calls (GlobalAlloc, LocalAlloc, VirtualAlloc, or
new) with this approach. What I really want is to share ALL of my data space.
I have no need for process local storage for this DLL.  The WIN3.1 model is
perfect for the application. Is there an easy solution??

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#: 16347 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  11:00:39
Sb: #16308-DLL addresses
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: neil colvin 71650,3517 (X)

Use one process with lots of threads.
That way you can share all the data you want to.


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#: 16427 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  19:32:49
Sb: #16347-DLL addresses
Fm: neil colvin 71650,3517
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

I am writing a general purpose DLL which will be used by as many as 5 or 6
different applications on the same system at the same time.  It must present a
coherent data structure to them all, and all changes in it runtime data must
be reflected in all of the processes using it.  Sine 32bit DLLs running under
WIN32s have TOTAL shared data, and the WIN32s documentation says that this
behavior can be duplicated with the SAME CODE under NT, there must be someway
of doing it!!!

#: 16647 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  15:57:49
Sb: #16308-DLL addresses
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: neil colvin 71650,3517 (X)

<< If my DLL builds large, interlinked, data structures (using C++ new), do I
have t write an entire new set of memory allocation routines to make all of
the allocations occur in the shared memory??  The implication is that I cannot
use any of the normal WIN32 calls (GlobalAlloc, LocalAlloc, VirtualAlloc, or
new) with this approach. What I really want is to share ALL of my data space.
I have no need for process local storage for this DLL.  The WIN3.1 model is
perfect for the application. Is there an easy solution??

I am writing a general purpose DLL which will be used by as many as 5 or 6
different applications on the same system at the same time.  It must present a
coherent data structure to them all, and all changes in it runtime data must
be reflected in all of the processes using it.  Sine 32bit DLLs running under
WIN32s have TOTAL shared data, and the WIN32s documentation says that this
behavior can be duplicated with the SAME CODE under NT, there must be someway
of doing it!!! >>

Yes, there is, but there is no easy solution. You will need to use file
mapping to create and use shared memory under NT. Take a look at the overviews
for file mapping on how to do this. If you are going to be using pointers in
your shared memory, for something like a linked list, or structures with
pointers in them, you've got to use MapViewOfFileEx, which allows you to
specify a base address for the view of the file you are mapping. This will
help ensure that your pointers in your structures are valid pointers in all
processes that use this shared memory. However, it can't guarantee this
address for all processes - if that virtual address space is already begin
used in that process memory space, you've got problems.

It would be best to write a simple memory manager that allocates a large chunk
of shared memory then doles out smaller pieces to your application as you need
them, something similar to the run-time malloc() call.

I also strongly suggest that you take a look at John Hall's shrmem.zip sample
in library 10. This might fit your needs with a few tweaks here and

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#: 16648 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  15:57:54
Sb: #16647-DLL addresses
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

[Continued]

there.

Win32s is a bit out of my area of expertise - which win32s doc were you
referring to?

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16556 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  22:35:19
Sb: #16220-DLL addresses
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: David Edge 75170,1461 (X)

<< Maybe I am missing something here, but please be patient with me for a
moment. Is it not true that the DLL's data space resides within the 2GB
virtual address space of the caller?  I understand that these are virtual
addresses. Here is a scenario: process 1 loads a DLL and the DLL gets its data
space mapped at virtual addresses 10000 -  11000.  Now, process 2 starts up
and uses virtual addresses 10000 -  20000, then loads the same DLL.  How will
the DLL access its data using those same virtual addresses when they are taken
by the caller?  Does the DLL have its address space outside of the address
space of the caller?  Perhaps this seems irrelevant but I am wanting to make
extensive use of DLLs from multiple applications and I want to understand what
is going on.  Thanks. >>

I failed to mention this case. If the DLL can't load at it's preferred virtual
address, the loader has to make a copy of the DLL's code pages, put them
somewhere else, and fixup all references to global data in those code sections
to point to the proper shared pages. So you'll essentially wind up with
separate copies of the DLL's code, each with different virtual addresses for
each shared data item, but both pointing to the same area of physical memory.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16288 S6/API-Base/Security
    31-Oct-92  22:16:15
Sb: NTFS questions
Fm: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

        I am getting odd behavior in the editor I built for NT. If I load a
file into the editor, and then go to file manager and try to move or delete
the file, it says "File in use by another process".
This is fine, and as it was on the July version.
        The problem is, I get the same message for every file my editor has
touched since I started it up. It doesn't matter if the file was only
opened/closed, or if it was opened/modified/saved. It even holds for .exe,
object and other files that were created by the compiler and linker shelled
from my program. Everything is fine after I close my program. I don't know if
this is something different in this build, or because I am using NTFS this
time.
        Why does the system think these files are in use?
        I compared this to notepad, and after loading a file into note pad, I
can go to file manager and move the file. This doesn't seem optimal either, as
when you then try to save the file from notepad,  you get a "File doesn't
exist" error.
        Second problem. I modified the MANUAL.BAT and didn't load the samples
in when I installed this time. NT + SDK + MYWORK left me with 20 meg free on
the partition. Tonight I loaded all the samples, built each, and examined each
for any differences. Not finding much new, I deleted each after I was done.
All the samples are off the drive. I now only have 18 meg free. Where'd the
other 2 meg go? I added up the files in the directories and get 55 meg. On an
80 meg partition that should leave me more than 18 meg. What happened?

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#: 16535 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  18:56:19
Sb: #16288-NTFS questions
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521 (X)

Hi Kenneth  -

>> ...It doesn't matter if the file was only opened/closed, or if
  it was opened/modified/saved.  It even holds for .exe, object
  and other files that were created by the compiler and linker
  shelled from my program.  Everything is fine after I close my
  program.  I don't know if this is something different in this
  build, or because I am using NTFS this time

Since you say "this time" I assume you're seeing this on the
  October build

>> Why does the system think these files are in use?

If there are any handles open on the files this would be normal
  behavior.  It's possible a problem in the system makes it think
  there are open handles to these files, even though there are
  none (although this is not a known problem).  Do you see this
  behavior equally on both NTFS and FAT partitions?

>> I compared this to notepad, and after loading a file into note
  pad, I can go to file manager and move the file.  This doesn't
  seem optimal either, as when you then try to save the file from
  notepad, you get a "File doesn't exist" error

Notepad closes all it's handles to the file being edited after it
  uses the handle to load the file into workspace.  So, from the
  OS's point of view, Notepad retains no ownership that would keep
  the user from moving the file with file manager (or doing other
  operations to the file).  Notepad gets new handles to the file
  when the user does a save/new/exit

Again, are you seeing this behavior on both NTFS and FAT
  partitions, or are you seeing different behavior on NTFS versus
  FAT?

>> Second problem.  I modified the MANUAL.BAT and didn't load the
  samples in when I installed this time.  NT + SDK + MYWORK left
  me with 20 meg free on the partition.  Tonight I loaded all the
  samples, built each, and examined each for any differences.  Not
  finding much new, I deleted each after I was done.  All the
  samples are off the drive.  I now only have 18 meg free.
  Where'd the other 2 meg go?  I added up the files in the
  directories and get 55 meg.  On an 80 meg partition that should

[More]

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#: 16536 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  18:56:25
Sb: #16535-NTFS questions
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

[Continued]

  leave me more than 18 meg.  What happened?

This sounds like a problem the OS file system folks will want to
  hear about over in WINNT/9/File-systems.  If you could please
  post the details on this over there, we'd apprciate it - thanks!
  I'm assumming this happened for you on an NTFS partition, but
  please clarify this for the folks in WINNT/9.  Also, if you
  haven't already noticed, "DIR C:\ /S >c.lst" is a handy way to
  get the system to add up all the files for you on the C
  partition

Although adding a lot of files to a partition, then deleting them
  and not recovering all the space, does sound like a file system
  issue, one other thing to check (if you haven't already) is temp
  files the compiler or linker may have failed to delete.  If you
  find temp files left around that shouldn't have been, please let
  the tools folks know in MSWIN32/7-Tools - thanks!

Bruce



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#: 16657 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  16:14:23
Sb: #16536-NTFS questions
Fm: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

        This was not a problem with the july build, and is not a problem under
fat. It only started happening this build, and only after I reinstalled on a
NTFS partition. My editor is a hack, open\close is Win16 functions, save is
Win32 that creates a new file. That is what makes this so strange. This is
occuring with files that only were open\closed, those that were saved, and
those created by the compiler and linker.
        I did every check I could, and can't find the 2 meg. I think it has to
be directory space for all the samples that didn't get washed when the file
left.

#: 16662 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  17:55:22
Sb: Threads context switch
Fm: Koby 71172,2722
To: sysop (X)

Hi.
I ran a benchmark testing the threads context switch speed. I got a very
surprisingly results. The typical thread context switch on a 486 33Mz machine
that has not background tasks except the system, id performed in 1.3
Milliseconds. The benchmark process was based on two threads and two event
objects. The thread synchronized themselves using the event objects to perform
round robin.

We are trying to build a real-time application for control systems. A slow
context switch will prevent us from building fast response control system as
required by real-time control system. I wonder how we can control the context
switching time. What is the expected switch time, is it an order of
miliseconds or microsecends. By the way the same benchmark on SUN sparc system
perform hread switch in 180 micro seconds.

When the process is running the CPU thermometer shows 60% application 40%
Kernel. This shows me that even if we will the process priority to real-time
priority will not change to context switch time, Am I right?.
Thanks Koby.

#: 16327 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  07:51:31
Sb: Message to other proc.
Fm: Christian Betrisey 76600,1450
To: bob landau


#: 16663 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:32:44
Sb: #16327-Message to other proc.
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Christian Betrisey 76600,1450 (X)

     Christian,

     No text was uploaded with this post.  Could you please re-post.

     Thanks,

     -pete

#: 16517 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  16:54:55
Sb: _CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: sysop (X)

When I got the October SDK, I read on page 31 of the Win32 SDK Release Notes
that "If you need to call C-Runtime functions in a DLL, then the entry point
for the .DLL must be _CRT_INIT. ... If you have your own entry point, then you
must call the _CRT_INIT function with the same parameters that were passed to
your entry point".

Each of my .DLLs has a LibMain, which is the entry point - this was a
requirement in the July SDK.  I tried calling _CRT_INIT from LibMain, with the
same parameters.  I get an unresolved external. Same thing if I code
"CRT_INIT" instead of "_CRT_INIT".  I did a hex dump of all of your libraries,
and I see a _CRT_INIT entry point only in LIBC and LIBCMT, not CRTDLL, which
is what I'm linking to.

1) Is LibMain still needed? 2) Should I not try to call _CRT_INIT if I link to
CRTDLL? 3) Is it better if I link my .DLLs to LIBCMT?

Thanks, John Stoddard Micro Decisionware

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#: 16559 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  00:04:10
Sb: #16517-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551 (X)

<< 1) Is LibMain still needed? 2) Should I not try to call _CRT_INIT if I link
to CRTDLL? 3) Is it better if I link my .DLLs to LIBCMT? >>

John, the release notes failed to mention that calling _CRT_INIT is
unnecessary if you are using crtdll.lib. This is because the run-time gets
initialized on the process/thread attach in crtdll.dll's entry point - it's
all done for you automagically when using crtdll.dll. There is no need to
explicitly call _CRT_INIT in your DLL's code.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support



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#: 16608 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  11:18:29
Sb: #16559-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

That's what I figured, but I wanted to get some comfirmation. Thanks! BTW, is
there any particular reason to use or not use CRTDLL? Do I gain anything? lose
anything?

John

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#: 16666 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:35:33
Sb: #16608-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551

<< That's what I figured, but I wanted to get some comfirmation. Thanks! BTW,
is there any particular reason to use or not use CRTDLL? Do I gain anything?
lose anything? >>

The nice thing abouit crtdll.dll is that you can have one copy of the C
run-time for any .exe and associated .dll's that link to it. Cuts down on code
size. It also enables you to share run-time resources between an .exe and a
.dll, for instance, open a stream handle in the .exe an pass it to the
dll for processing. If you link both the .exe and .dll with libcxxx.lib, they
both have separate copies of the run-time, and you can't mix run-time
resources between them like that. Another gotcha is allocating memory in one
module and passing to another to be freed, like you might do with some type of
uer-defined IPC mechanism. Allocate a packet, stuff it, send it to a DLL, the
DLL frees it. Unfortunately, if you're using separate copies of the run-time
data, a nulclear explosion will result. If, however, both modules are using
crtdll.dll, only one copy of the run-time resources is involved, so this type
of resource sharing will work.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16693 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  21:57:32
Sb: #16608-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551

>> Do I lose anything?

ctype.h function macros like isalpha() are not currently in crtdll

#: 16584 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  09:36:41
Sb: #16517-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: dan white 70324,3147
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551 (X)


John, I've been wondering about the same thing.  I notice that the TLS sample
program in the SDK does not call _CRT_INIT.

                               --Dan



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#: 16611 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  11:24:11
Sb: #16584-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: John Stoddard 72400,2551
To: dan white 70324,3147 (X)

The samples are a real life-saver. I'm always a lot more confident when I can
see working code illustrating something, rather than reading about it in some
manual.  Good work including these, Microsoft.

JS

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#: 16667 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:35:37
Sb: #16611-_CRT_INIT not in CRTDLL
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: John Stoddard 72400,2551

<< The samples are a real life-saver. I'm always a lot more confident when I
can see working code illustrating something, rather than reading about it in
some manual.  Good work including these, Microsoft. >>

Thanks for your compliments. We're glad to hear that the samples we wrote were
helpful. I'll pass your compliments on to the rest of the team. Thanks!

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16575 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  07:09:06
Sb: Shared Memory Question
Fm: Andrew Potter 71075,614
To: all

Here's a shared memory question.

I've found some documentation regarding shared memory under NT and was
successful in getting 2 processes to initialize and use the same shared
memory.  I used CreateFileMapping, MapViewOfFile, CloseHandle and found
documentation for OpenFileMapping, CreateFile, ReadFile, and WriteFile.  Is
this the entire list?  There doesn't seem to be a key associated with the file
mapping object, only a name.  Is this true? Here's my problem:

I have several executables in my application all of which communicate via
shared memory.  I should clarify this.  The user sees this product as 1
application.  The user doesn't realize that it's really several executables
communicating among one another.  If I start up the 'application', the
controlling executable creates the shared memory segment and all other
executables attach to the segment.  If I wanted to start up the 'application'
a second time in the NT world, the controlling executable would connect to the
shared memory segment from the first invocation of the application.  Is there
a way for my controlling executable to get a name at runtime via some system
call that would be different for each invocation of the application?  I can
probably come up with some kludgy way to do this but it would be nice if there
were a nice system call I could make????

Thanks,

    Andrew

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#: 16694 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  22:02:59
Sb: #16575-Shared Memory Question
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Andrew Potter 71075,614 (X)

Suggestions:
1) look up shrmem.zip.  You won't want to do things that way but
   it should be helpful.  It is in the library for 'Porting from OS/2'
2) consider making this one exe with multiple threads.  then you
   wouldn't have to mess with shared memory at all.
3) In Shrmem you will notice I hit the registry on Process Attach.
   You could probably place legacy information in the registry
   and get some of what you want, just an idea.

#: 16622 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  13:20:21
Sb: MapViewOfFileEx
Fm: Kent Cedola - Kitware 72230,1451
To: SYSOP (X)

Has anyone (including the fine folks at Microsoft) got MapViewOfFileEx to work
between two (or more) processes with shared memory at the same address? If so,
what address did you use?  I keep getting an error 8 on the second
MapViewOfFileEx() API.

Thanks, Kent

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#: 16695 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  22:06:19
Sb: #16622-MapViewOfFileEx
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Kent Cedola - Kitware 72230,1451 (X)

Porting from OS/2 Library: shrmem.zip

By default I use 16Mb, though it is registry configurable.

You can create a 'virtual memory snooper' by looping through all
your virtual memory blocks.  One of the Virtual*() functions will
give you details.  It is how I picked my default, along with other
notes in the readme's in shrmem.zip.

#: 16447 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  05:47:47
Sb: IO Control
Fm: Dan Sullivan 76327,1534
To: SYSOP (X)

I would like to make use of the IO Control funtions to manipulate floppies in
my applications. Will this capability be added to NT for the final release?
When will it be available to developers? Will complete IO Control
functionality be provided? Will existing DOS app's that make use of IO Control
for floppies be supported?

This lack of IO Control is the only fly in the ointment for the large NT app
we are in the process of developing. We must be able to write floppies in
non-DOS formats. We are faced with having our users reboot DOS or have a
separate DOS system to write these floppies. Needless to say neither is really
a desirable solution.

Thanks in advance Dan

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#: 16665 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:32:58
Sb: #16447-IO Control
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Dan Sullivan 76327,1534 (X)

>> I would like to make use of the IO Control funtions to manipulate floppies
in my applications. Will this capability be added to NT for the final release?
When will it be available to developers? Will complete IO Control
functionality be provided? Will existing DOS app's that make use of IO Control
for floppies be supported? This lack of IO Control is the only fly in the
ointment for the large NT app we are in the process of developing. We must be
able to write floppies in non-DOS formats. We are faced with having our users
reboot DOS or have a separate DOS system to write these floppies. Needless to
say neither is really a desirable solution. <<

It is possible to open a floppy for direct reads and writes by doing a
CreateFile("\\\\.\\a:",.....).  This will allow you to use ReadFile() and
WriteFile() to do transfer data from/to the floppy in chunks at offsets. I
believe this will be going into VDM support as well.

-pete





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#: 16703 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  04:28:52
Sb: #16665-IO Control
Fm: Dan Sullivan 76327,1534
To: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22 (X)

I don't think that this will work for what we want to do, but I don't know all
the details, I will not be writing this portion of our app. However I don't
think this would allow us to work with disk with sector sizes other than some
default assummed by NT or that might be interleaved in some strange fashion.
It seems like allowing IO Control for floppies could be done without violating
any of the security provisions for NT.

I am sure your work around would work for some cases, but my question remains,
what is the status of IO Control for floppies in NT, especially the DOS
subsystem?

Thanks Dan

#: 16363 S6/API-Base/Security
    02-Nov-92  13:04:05
Sb: Shared mem. question
Fm: Megatronics, Inc. 74020,2170
To: SYSOP (X)

Hi there.

  I'm trying to prepare for Windows/NT today figuring I'll save myself some
  effort later.  Along these lines, can you give me some details on how
  Windows/NT handles shared memory?  I know in Windows 3.1 that a pointer is
  a pointer -- all applications share a single LDT.  What about NT?  Thanks
  in advance.

John

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#: 16481 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  11:57:49
Sb: #16363-Shared mem. question
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Megatronics, Inc. 74020,2170 (X)

>> I'm trying to prepare for Windows/NT today figuring I'll save myself some
  effort later.  Along these lines, can you give me some details on how
  Windows/NT handles shared memory?  I know in Windows 3.1 that a pointer is
  a pointer -- all applications share a single LDT.  What about NT?  Thanks
  in advance. <<

In Win32/NT, each process is in its own address space and therefore cannot
share memory in the old Win31 fashion.  Memory must be mapped into each
process' space in order to have shared memory.  The shared memory overview
details this.

-pete








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#: 16490 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  13:25:07
Sb: #16481-Shared mem. question
Fm: Megatronics, Inc. 74020,2170
To: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22 (X)

Pete

  >> The shared memory overview details this.

  Not to sound silly, but where would I locate this?  I have the Developer's
  Network CD, and I haven't got it up and running yet -- will I find it
  there?  If not, please advise.  Thanks for the reply.

John

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#: 16643 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  15:52:06
Sb: #16490-Shared mem. question
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Megatronics, Inc. 74020,2170 (X)

>> Not to sound silly, but where would I locate this?  I have the Developer's
  Network CD, and I haven't got it up and running yet -- will I find it
  there?  If not, please advise. <<

Yes, they are on there, but these are the old version (July release).  The
newest help files are on the Oct. release of the SDK.

-pete





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#: 16707 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  05:42:11
Sb: #16643-Shared mem. question
Fm: Megatronics, Inc. 74020,2170
To: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22 (X)

Ah.  I didn't realize the CD files were that out of date.  I guess I'll have
to check into the Oct. SDK release.

John

#: 16709 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  06:59:16
Sb: MFC Comm Dlgs
Fm: Trip Tucker 76054,2250
To: Sysop (X)

It seems that there are still some problems with the Print Common Dialog and
MFC in the new release.  While this worked with the previous release, the
dialog does not initialize with the correct page numbers from the structure
and then does not return with the page numbers that were set.

The Font Dialog worked with the last release, but now tells you that there are
no fonts installed for the printer.  This is the same code that works for
WIN16 and worked with the July release.

Have you seen this?  Trip.

#: 16548 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  21:36:08
Sb: #16198-GlobalSize fails on dlg
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

<< The code that I have been using to checksum a dialog is now failing under
Windows NT (Oct). This code works fine under Windows 3.1.  Under Windows NT, I
seem to be getting values back for my find, load, and lock calls.  The
GlobalSize, however, returns 0. >>

Len, I'm looking into this problem and will get back to you as soon as I can
get some more information on this. Thanks!

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16668 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:35:43
Sb: #16198-GlobalSize fails on dlg
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

<< The code that I have been using to checksum a dialog is now failing under
Windows NT (Oct). Under Windows NT, I seem to be getting values back for my
find, load, and lock calls.  The GlobalSize, however, returns 0. >>

The problem is that the underlying resource object returned by LoadResource is
not compatible with a memory object. Calling GlobalSize on resource handles
worked under 3.1 because these objects were in fact implemented as
GlobalAlloc'd blocks of memory. This kind of object type casting is depending
on implementation specific behavior that was subject to change, which it has
under Win32. There are some similar issues with certain GDI objects, from what
I understand.

Best to turn on STRICT and make sure that you're not mixing types like this.
This will help you catch incompatible types being used in this way.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support



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#: 16711 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  07:22:25
Sb: #16668-GlobalSize fails on dlg
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

Thank you for your research and explanation, Eric.  Checksumming the dialog is
important to insure that the original copyright and registration request
remains on the shareware that I produce.  Resource editors readily available
to the public make it too easy for this information to be changed inside a
Windows application.

If you could suggest the proper way to examine a dialog resource at runtime
under Windows NT I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks, Eric.


    Len

#: 16296 S6/API-Base/Security
    01-Nov-92  10:05:47
Sb: Setting comm queue sizes
Fm: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222
To: All

Under Win 3.x, the size of the transmit & receive queues for the comm port
are specified as arguments to the OpenComm() function. Under NT, the size of
the queues can be queried with the GetCommProperties() function, but there
appears to be no way to set the size of the queues.

Is there an API function under NT which allows one to specify the size of
the transmit and receive queues, or are they of fixed size ?

Thanks,

       -- Jeff



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#: 16547 S6/API-Base/Security
    03-Nov-92  21:36:03
Sb: #16296-Setting comm queue sizes
Fm: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411
To: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222 (X)

<< Under Win 3.x, the size of the transmit & receive queues for the comm port
are specified as arguments to the OpenComm() function. Under NT, the size of
the queues can be queried with the GetCommProperties() function, but there
appears to be no way to set the size of the queues.

Is there an API function under NT which allows one to specify the size of the
transmit and receive queues, or are they of fixed size ? >>

You can give suggested buffer sizes with the SetupComm API.

  Eric Sassaman
  Microsoft Developer Support



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#: 16712 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  07:36:43
Sb: #16547-Setting comm queue sizes
Fm: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222
To: Eric Sassaman/Microsoft 75430,411 (X)

Eric,

> You can give suggested buffer sizes with the SetupComm API.

That's just what I was looking for. Thanks.

        -- Jeff

#: 16629 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  13:37:33
Sb: hel
Fm: Rob Tessier 76666,3633
To: all

Are POSIX apps written to a specific API set that excludes the Win32 APIs? The
sample POSIX app that came with the Oct SDK makes no Win32 API calls. Is that
the idea?  If so, what is the GUI for POSIX apps?  Or are POSIX apps treated
like DOS apps, they run in a windows but don't actually directly call into
Win32?

Rob

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#: 16664 S6/API-Base/Security
    04-Nov-92  18:32:50
Sb: #16629-hel
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: Rob Tessier 76666,3633 (X)

>> Are POSIX apps written to a specific API set that excludes the Win32 APIs?
The sample POSIX app that came with the Oct SDK makes no Win32 API calls. Is
that the idea?  If so, what is the GUI for POSIX apps?  Or are POSIX apps
treated like DOS apps, they run in a windows but don't actually directly call
into Win32? <<

There are no cross-subsystem calls allowed at all, be it from POSIX to Win32
or DOS to Win32 or Win32 to DOS, etc.  This would limit POSIX applications to
character mode running in a window.

-pete




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#: 16731 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  12:18:40
Sb: #16664-hel
Fm: Rob Tessier 76666,3633
To: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22 (X)

Thanks, that is what I suspected all along.  --  RPT

#: 16823 S6/API-Base/Security
    06-Nov-92  11:01:49
Sb: Queues in NT
Fm: Poul Erik Hansen 70642,2047
To: SYSOP (X)

Hi:

I could not find any Queues API in Win32. Are named pipes the only way to
implement message queues in NT?

Thanks,

--Prashant

#: 16778 S6/API-Base/Security
    05-Nov-92  17:57:19
Sb: InvalidRect problem
Fm: David Arathorn 70412,2772
To: ms


#: 16840 S6/API-Base/Security
    06-Nov-92  13:38:09
Sb: #16778-InvalidRect problem
Fm: Pete Grey [Microsoft] 70744,22
To: David Arathorn 70412,2772 (X)

David,

No text was sent with your message.  Please re-send, but judging from the
title, it looks as if this is either a USER or GDI type query, so it needs to
go to the appropriate section.

Thanks,

-pete

#: 16867 S6/API-Base/Security
    06-Nov-92  17:11:47
Sb: TCPIP problems
Fm: Joseph E. Greer 70253,3130
To: Joe Greer 70253,3130

I have recently installed the October Windows/NT.  I recompiled a program that
I used with the july release to transfer files from our unix system to the
micro running NT via a TCPIP interface.  I was surprised to discover that the
program now runs only 15 min (functioning correctly) before the system hangs.
Has anyone else encountered a problem like this?  If so, how did you get
around it?  This program I mentioned is rather central to our product
generation process and could really use a work around.

PS
        I did notice that the services are now called TCPIP and TELNET
(contrary to the release notes)

                                                -- Joe




#: 16281 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    31-Oct-92  14:16:50
Sb: Dialog Editor- !Win32
Fm: Jake Kirk 76207,1403
To: SYSOP (X)

I am getting the following error message when I read my RES file into the
dialog editor- "test.res is not a valid Win32 format resource file."

Is something wrong with my nmake makefile file?  I think it is OK.
Here are the 3 files necessary to recreate the problem:
nmake 'makefile' as follows:
-----------------------------


#: 16299 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  12:06:28
Sb: #16258-C++ syntax errors?
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: Bill Cohagan 74375,313 (X)

Bill,

You are welcome.  I appreciate you narrowing your code and confirming that we
are receiving the same error messages. We are passing compiler problems on as
fast as we can. I will get back to you when I know more.

Julie Solon Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16300 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  12:06:35
Sb: _CRT_INIT failure
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: Ted C. Ho 73310,150 (X)

Ted,

I assume that you are just trying to compile this single-threaded application
as if it were a multi-threaded application - i.e., you changed only switches,
not code.

First, I tested the code with the existing makefile.  When I exited WinDbg, I
received an access violation.  Next, I made the following changes

   compiled select with -D_MT, demo with -D_MT
   linked select with $(guilibsdll), demo with $(guilibsmt)

The resulting behavior didn't seem any different than before.  Finally, I
changed the entry point as you had done to -entry:_CRT_INIT@12.  Again, I get
the access violation when exiting WinDbg.

I will look into this problem that I am seeing with the unmodified sample. If
you are seeing different symptoms... like everything works as it should
unmodified (but not any other way) or the access violation happens any other
time but at exit of WinDbg, let me know.  In that event, we would need to
narrow down cause and effect so that I can understand and reproduce exactly
what you are seeing here.

Thank you for your report,

Julie Solon Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16301 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  12:06:40
Sb: Compiler Bug
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: David J. Plunkett 71163,2122

David,

Thank you for reporting this problem.  I was able to reproduce it (the only
thing I did was change %f to %lf where you were printing doubles).

There does seem to be a growing number of problem reports against this
compiler.  We are attempting to track them down and get out work-arounds and
fixes.  I will file a report right away and post more information as it
becomes available.

Thanks,

Julie Solon Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16306 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  13:52:36
Sb: #16227-fatal compiler error
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: Orin Eman 71102,705 (X)

Orin,

There have been postings on this error occuring with the October compiler and
not the July compiler.  Unfortunately, sometimes when known problems are
fixed, others crop up.  We are very interested in receiving test cases and
pursuing these problems.  We have a sample of this particular error, so
hopefully, in fixing the compiler for one test case, we will fix it for most
others.  If you could submit a reasonably sized test case, with compiler
options and whatever work-arounds you find, we would be happy to look into it.


Julie Solon

Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16305 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  13:52:30
Sb: Fatal Compiler Error
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: Bill Cohagan 74375,313 (X)

Bill,

Thank you for your efforts in narrowing down the code.  I could not find any
minor code or compile option changes that would work around the problem
immediately.  I will report this problem right away and I will let you know
what happens.


Thanks,

Julie Solon Microsoft Developer Support




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16325 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  07:25:30
Sb: #16305-Fatal Compiler Error
Fm: Bill Cohagan 74375,313
To: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107 (X)

Julie-
  Thanks for looking into this.  This compiler error has brought me to a stop
on this project -- so a rapid fix/workaround would be *greatly* appreciated.

Thanks,
 Bill

#: 16353 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  11:53:49
Sb: #16257-Oct/July NT coexist?
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Bill Cohagan 74375,313 (X)

Bill, You can install both the July and October versions of Win32/NT on one
drive, with the following considerations:

 -Place them in separate directories.  :)
 -If you installed NT with the CD setup, BOOT.INI will use the
SCSI()disk()rdisk()partition(n)\... notation, which requires the SCSI miniport
driver C:\NTBOOTDD.SYS, which differs between the July and October releases.
You can most likely replace this with normal DOS paths (i.e. c:\nt...) in
BOOT.INI, depending on how your partitions are set up (if both are in the
first partition of your first drive, there should be no difficulties).  Doing
this would alleviate the need for NTBOOTDD.SYS.  If this prodcedure fails, you
must first boot into DOS and copy the appropriate NTBOOTDD.SYS to the root
before switching between versions of Win32/NT.

 Colin

#: 16358 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  12:16:32
Sb: WinDbg
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Paul Tissue [Microsoft] 70744,24 (X)

I've solved both problems!

The file that wouldn't load into WinDbg at all was because a line was too
long. There was a comment that went out to column 228.  WinDbg apparently
won't load any files that have line(s) beyond about 200 columns.

The file that would load but wouldn't allow me to set any breakpoints was
named UTIL.C.  This must be reserved for WinDbg.  The exact same file renamed
as UTIL0.C, works fine.

It would be nice if the tools/documentation gave some warning about things of
this nature.  Particularly the long line lengths, must be hard coded into
WinDbg.  When someone writes code like this, why don't they add just one line
of code to pop up a message dialog that tells us why they won't load it;
instead of doing absolutely nothing and leaving us totally perplexed?

The UTIL.C problem isn't as clear that it's in the code and could have been
flagged, however, it seems like it almost would have had to have been coded
that way to exclude just one file name. Who knows?

Hopefully, this can help other people from fighting the same problems!

#: 16368 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  14:11:01
Sb: #16255-*MAJOR* bug with new rel
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Marco Papa 70353,3446 (X)

Marco, The screen update speed has been considerably improved in the October
release, and I believe that product 1 will move even faster.  Glad you noticed
:)

 -c

#: 16372 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  14:14:40
Sb: #16206-RemoveDir()
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Andrew Bradnan [Erudite 70402,63 (X)

Hi Andrew,
  >This is a MSSETUP question, point me in the right direction if I am in
  >the wrong place.

  Since this is just with the API, base (section 6) would be a better place
  to ask this in the future.

  >IAC, using Windows NT or Windows 3.1 (16bit) setup fails on RemoveDir().
  >The directory is empty and DoesDirExist says it is there but it
  >still does not work.  It is giving me the API error not BadArg1 error.
  >The only thing I can think of is that I am in the current directory and
  >the OS is dumping on me for that.

  Please post a response in the base section (6), but are you trying to
  remove a directory that you are executing the setup program?

  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16410 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  16:46:27
Sb: Porttool
Fm: Randy Kath 72110,2014
To: Paul Tissue [Microsoft] 70744,24 (X)

Porting PortTool to 16bits will be a fairly easy process.  The code is basic
API code, no tricks or hacks.  The only two (major) areas where the Win32 API
is exploited is in the use of memory mapped files for sharing data between
processes that call the PORT.DLL and the background processing that was just
added in the last release.  You can omit that feature in the 16 bit Windows
version by commenting out a couple lines of code and not compiling and linking
the file PTBKPORT.C.  The memory mapped file issue is easy to solve in 16bit
land since global memory can be allocated by the DLL for all to use by default
(unlike Win32/NT

Paul is correct in the 30,000 character limit.  PortTool uses the standard
multiline edit control for the editor interface, so this would be a
limitation.  Yet, as an alternative, the DLL supplied with PortTool exports
the porting functionality.  Refer to the file PORT.H for more information on
how to make another application call into the DLL

#: 16411 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  16:46:58
Sb: Porttool
Fm: Randy Kath 72110,2014
To: Paul Tissue [Microsoft] 70744,24 (X)

Continue from previous message

And speaking of limitations, the current version of PortTool included in the
October release of the NT SDK also has the 30,000 character limit by default
This can be fixed by simply sending the EM_LIMITTEXT message to the edit
control immeditely after creation.  Specifically, in the file PORTTOOL.C after
line 215 and before line 229 add the following line

SendMessage (hWndEdit, EM_LIMITTEXT, 0xFFFFFFF, 0);

The default behavior of the edit control is to limit text to 30,000
characters.  Yet, the edit control is capable of handling up to 0x0FFFFFFF
characters.  Also, sending the above message with a wParam value of 0 has the
same effect of allowing the maximum number of characters. Also note: the
latest documentation available at time of the October releae did not
accurately portray this edit control behavior.  It will be accurate in the
release

The version of PortTool found on the NT SDK has this limitation.  The version
supplied on the next Microsoft Developer Network CD will not have this
problem.  Also, in the interim you can find a fixed version of PortTool placed
in the MSDNLIB forum in section 1.  It should be placed there tonight

Thanks Randy Kath, Microsoft Developer Network

#: 16414 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  17:00:48
Sb: #16253-problems with Oct rel.
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Marco Papa 70353,3446 (X)

Hello Marco:

 >>3. When compiling resources built with the Windows 3.1 dialog editor, the
NT resource compiler will break immediately when processing multiple .DLG
files that all contain an initial line of DLGINCLUDE. The July release of the
NT Resource compiler did not have this pnroblem.  Also this makes .DLG files
from Windows 3.1's Dialog Editor totally imcompatible with NT.<<

 There are some changes regarding the usage of DLGINCLUDE since the July PDC
build of Windows NT.  Please check out the following article for detail:


 thanks,
 petrus

 ps. Please post questions regarding the installation of the OS itself on the
WINNT forum.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Summary:

 The Windows 3.1 SDK Dialog Editor needs a way to know what include file is
associated with a resource file that it opens. Rather than prompt the user for
the same of the include file, the name of the include file is embedded in the
resource file in most cases.

 Embedding the name of the include file is done with a resource of type RCDATA
with the special name DLGINCLUDE. This resource is placed into the .res file
and contains the name of the include file. The dialog editor looks for this
resource when it loads a .res file. If it is found, then the include file is
opened also. If not, the editor prompts the user for the name of the include
file.

 In some Windows 3.1 build environments, the dialog editor was used to create
dialogs which were placed in more than one .dlg file. These different .dlg
files were then included in one .rc file that was compiled with the resource
compiler. So the resource file gets multiple copies of a RCDATA type resource
with the same name, DLGINCLUDE, but the resouce compiler and dialog editor do
not complain.

 In the Win32 Preliminary SDK, changes were made so that this resource has its
own resource type. It was changed from an RCDATA type resource with the
special name, DLGINCLUDE, to a DLGINCLUDE resource type whose name can be
specified. The dialog editor would look for resources of the type DLGINCLUDE.

[More]

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16415 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  17:00:56
Sb: #16414-problems with Oct rel.
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

[Continued]


 For the October beta, there was a change made to CvtRes so that it gives an
error if it finds a resource that has the same type, name, and language as
another resource in the file. We are being stricter about the resources
needing to be unique in the Win32 SDK than the Windows 3.1 SDK. This is good,
because there was never any guarantee at run time which of the two or more
resources would be returned by LoadResource().

 This means that some apps being ported to Windows NT will give an error when
their resources are compiled, because they will have duplicate RCDATA type
resources with the same name (DLGINCLUDE). This error is by design. The
work-around is straightforward: delete all the DLGINCLUDE RCDATA type resource
statements from all the .dlg files.

 Finally, because it does not make much sense to have the DLGINCLUDE type
resources in the executable at all, CvtRes will strip them out so that they do
not get linked into the exe.

#: 16275 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    31-Oct-92  09:26:04
Sb: cout??
Fm: Ben Laurie 100014,1235
To: Doug Olson Microsoft 72350,2635 (X)

Doug,

Much delayed result ... yep, using ...\MFC\?.LIB worked fine, and,
furthermore, this version of C++ did NOT display the bug that the DOS version
does.

Ben.


There is 1 Reply.

#: 16422 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  18:49:10
Sb: #16275-cout??
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Ben Laurie 100014,1235 (X)

Ben:

Glad to hear that it worked.

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16380 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  14:52:28
Sb: #16254-problems (continued)
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Marco Papa 70353,3446 (X)

Hello Marco,

 >>Given the two above problems, debugging on MIPS with the October release is
practically impossible. I could only build my app by taking out both the -g2
flag from compilation and the -c flag from MIp2coff. The file got linked OK,
but of course it has no debugging info any more.  Given this, the October
release is worse than the July one as far as debugging on MIPS is concerned.<<

 Thanks for the bug report.  This is a known problem with "mip2coff". We are
looking into this currently.

 thanks,
 petrus



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16428 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  19:36:46
Sb: #16380-problems (continued)
Fm: Marco Papa 70353,3446
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

One way I was able to do some debugging ona a large program on MIPS, was to
compile *everything* without debuggingh stuff, and then one file at a time add
the -g2 and -c switches. It is really not completely useful, since you must
know the file where the problem resides, but it is better than nothing.

You're welcome, BTW, Petrus.  Since our Online account has expired, I'm glad
to see you her on CIS.

-- Marco

#: 16359 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  12:26:01
Sb: WinDbg won't load source
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Brent Ingraham (M&M) 70550,2303 (X)

I had the same problem.  In my case it was the result of a line of code (a
comment) that was 228 characters long.  WinDbg appears to not be able to load
any files that have a line over approx. 200 chars.  I don't know the exact
cut-off, but it is around 200. (Hardly seems like a magic number, does it?)

Hope this helps!

#: 16369 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  14:11:05
Sb: WinDbg won't load source
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Brent Ingraham (M&M) 70550,2303 (X)

Brent, I'm looking into this.
 Colin

#: 16487 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  12:37:25
Sb: WinDbg won't load source
Fm: David Edge 75170,1461
To: Brent Ingraham (M&M) 70550,2303 (X)

I had the same problem.  After a bit of probing around, I looked at the debug
options.  Look at Options/Debug, Debug DLLs.  There is an item for the
expression evaluator.  It needs to be changed to EECXX.DLL.  That fixed the
problem for me.

#: 16460 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  09:39:41
Sb: LIB discards Locals
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

Putting C object files into a library using LIB appears to discard all the
debugging information. When you link those libraries into your app, you no
longer have access to the locals within those objects. It works okay if you
link the objects directly without putting them into a library. Is this a known
problem which will be (or has been) addressed?


There is 1 Reply.

#: 16489 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  13:23:25
Sb: #16460-LIB discards Locals
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: David Manns 100112,2773

David:

For debugging information to be preserved it is necessary to use the
-DEBUGTYPE:{COFF|CV|BOTH} switch on the LIB (or COFF -LIB) command line.

Please let me know if you are already using this switch.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16503 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  15:16:17
Sb: DLGINCLUDE
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Thomas Kerr 75140,3326

Thomas, This posting is in regards to your bug report uploaded in the WINNT
forum. Please report other SDK bugs in this forum, and end-user bugs in the
WINNT templates.
 Thank you,
 Colin

 From MDKB on CIS (GO MDKB):
 Summary:
 .TITLE: INF: Use of DLGINCLUDE in Resource Files

The Windows 3.1 SDK Dialog Editor needs a way to know what include file is
associated with a resource file that it opens. Rather than prompt the user for
the same of the include file, the name of the include file is embedded in the
resource file in most cases.

Embedding the name of the include file is done with a resource of type RCDATA
with the special name DLGINCLUDE. This resource is placed into the .res file
and contains the name of the include file. The dialog editor looks for this
resource when it loads a .res file. If it is found, then the include file is
opened also. If not, the editor prompts the user for the name of the include
file.

In some Windows 3.1 build environments, the dialog editor was used to create
dialogs which were placed in more than one .dlg file. These different .dlg
files were then included in one .rc file that was compiled with the resource
compiler. So the resource file gets multiple copies of a RCDATA type resource
with the same name, DLGINCLUDE, but the resouce compiler and dialog editor do
not complain.

In the Win32 Preliminary SDK, changes were made so that this resource has its
own resource type. It was changed from an RCDATA type resource with the
special name, DLGINCLUDE, to a DLGINCLUDE resource type whose name can be
specified. The dialog editor would look for resources of the type DLGINCLUDE.

For the October beta, there was a change made to CvtRes so that it gives an
error if it finds a resource that has the same type, name, and language as
another resource in the file. We are being stricter about the resources
needing to be unique in the Win32 SDK than the Windows 3.1 SDK. This is good,
because there was never any guarantee at run time which of the two or more
resources would be returned by LoadResource().


[More]

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16504 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  15:16:24
Sb: #16503-DLGINCLUDE
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25 (X)

[Continued]

This means that some apps being ported to Windows NT will give an error when
their resources are compiled, because they will have duplicate RCDATA type
resources with the same name (DLGINCLUDE). This error is by design. The
work-around is straightforward: delete all the DLGINCLUDE RCDATA type resource
statements from all the .dlg files.

Finally, because it does not make much sense to have the DLGINCLUDE type
resources in the executable at all, CvtRes will strip them out so that they do
not get linked into the exe.

#: 16403 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  16:34:06
Sb: WinDbg problems
Fm: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222
To: All

I'm having two major problems trying to debug my application using WinDbg.
The application is written using MFC, although I'm uncertain whether that
has anything to do with the problems I'm encountering.

Problem #1 is that no matter where I set a breakpoint in my program, the
Unresolved Breakpoints dialog box pops up when I try to run my program.

Problem #2 is that it looks like my app's InitInstance() function is not
being executed. When I step through WinMain(), the following output appears
in the Command window:

Module Load: C:\projects\myprog\MYPROG.EXE  (symbols loaded)
Thread Create:  Process=0, Thread=0
Module Load: C:\WINNT\SYSTEM\NTDLL.DLL  (symbols loaded)
Module Load: C:\WINNT\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL  (symbols loaded)
Module Load: C:\WINNT\SYSTEM\KERNEL32.DLL  (symbols loaded)
Module Load: C:\WINNT\SYSTEM\USER32.DLL  (symbols loaded)
ERROR: [0583] Class does not exist.
ERROR: [0583] Class does not exist.
>

The two error messages above appear to occur just as I single-step over the
call in WinMain() to my applications's InitInstance(). My question is, what
do these messages mean ? They say "Class does not exist."; but *which*
class(es) ?!?

Thanks in advance.

       -- Jeff



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16520 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:22:18
Sb: #16403-WinDbg problems
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222 (X)

Jeff,

I'm corresponding with development on these.  I'll get back to you.
 Colin

#: 16525 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:29:04
Sb: C compiler bug
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Jeff Robbins 70303,1570 (X)

Jeff:

Your observation regarding the .asm code is correct.  One of our language
developers checked into it and confirmed the problem.  I will let you know
when more information is available.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16348 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  11:11:23
Sb: Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: ALL

Folks,
 Please respond in this thread, please.
 -Colin --------------------------This message is being posted as part of our
effort to get more information towards developing great new Windows systems.

We want to move to object and component based development and our Windows
group is aiming to create the ultimate programmable system. This is only a
small scale survey, amongst people we believe are active professional
developers that we have higher than average contact with.

We'd really appreciate your feedback in answer to the questions below. Being
small scale, we'd ask doubly that you reply to this! Many of the questions are
deliberately free-form, and might deserve longer answers.

We really appreciate you time, and hope that you'll enjoy helping us make
Windows a better product

 Alistair Banks
 Developer Relations Group
 Microsoft


_____TOOLS_____

 1. If you could choose your IDEAL SDK available from Microsoft, what
   would it include?

 2a. What Tools do you use currently for Windows development?
 2b. What specifically do you like about these tools?
 2c. What would you change?

 3a. What graphical programming environments have you used?
 3b. What was good, what was bad?

 4. Do you anticipate using
    Microsoft Foundation Classes
    Microsoft Visual Basic
    Borland OWL
    C++
    Other (please specify)


 _____ C vs. C++_____

 5. If your application is in C, would you consider doing new development
    in C or C++...
    In the same application?
    In a new application?

 6. If you have a handle in C, and a class pointer in C++
    do they have to be the same (Y/N)?
    would you call an API to convert them (Y/N)?

 7. How often do you anticipate passing handles between C and C++?

_____Object/Component Programming_____

 8a. What Object Oriented programming have you done?
 8b. Which environments?

 9a. With the direction toward object and component programming, what
     specifically would you like to see?

 10. What components would you need?




There are 3 Replies.

#: 16365 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  13:54:45
Sb: #16348-Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: William Lees 75300,250
To: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25 (X)

_____TOOLS_____

 1. If you could choose your IDEAL SDK available from Microsoft, what
   would it include?

An integrated C/C++ development environment similar in look and feel to QCWIN, but without bugs,
nd including
version control software and a MAKE facility capable of building multiple targets.

A highly graphical and interactive help file development system with lightning performance


 2a. What Tools do you use currently for Windows development?

QCWIN
3.1 SDK
Spy, CodeView
Turbo C++ 3.1
Brief

 2b. What specifically do you like about these tools?
 2c. What would you change?

I find QCWIN a very productive tool to work with, almost entirely because of its integrated debug
er.  However I
can't get used to the editor and I still shell out to Brief.  So I would change the editor to mak
 it a Windows clone of
Brief, more or less.

Spy is essential, but it could do with some improvements: it hasn't been changed in years.  It ne
ds more specific
'tuning' of messages to log, decoding of message parameters to English, and perhaps the ability t
 define one's own
messages and parameters so that they can be decoded too.

I would like the debugger to be able to descend into machine code, when I want it to.

I would like a list of ALL the messages that can appear in the debug kernel's debug window, with
 brief explanation
of each.  For example the other day I had 'local heap is busy'  Well so I would expect :-), but w
ere do I look for an
explanation of this message???

 3a. What graphical programming environments have you used?
 3b. What was good, what was bad?

As above.  Turbo C++ just doesn't feel right to me, but it is faster than QCWIN, and the debugger
is less buggy.,
The editor is IMO much worse.

 4. Do you anticipate using
    Microsoft Foundation Classes
yes
    Microsoft Visual Basic
no.  PLEASE don't force us to learn Basic, visual or otherwise.
    Borland OWL
no.
    C++
yes
    Other (please specify)


 _____ C vs. C++_____

 5. If your application is in C, would you consider doing new
development
    in C or C++...
yes C/C++

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#: 16374 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  14:16:24
Sb: #16365-Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: William Lees 75300,250
To: William Lees 75300,250 (X)


(continued)

yes C/C++
    In the same application?
yes C/C++
    In a new application?
yes C/C++

 6. If you have a handle in C, and a class pointer in C++
    do they have to be the same (Y/N)?
no
    would you call an API to convert them (Y/N)?
always

 7. How often do you anticipate passing handles between C and C++?
I'll live with whatever you think is most sensible.

_____Object/Component Programming_____

 8a. What Object Oriented programming have you done?
 8b. Which environments?
none.

 9a. With the direction toward object and component programming, what
     specifically would you like to see?
sorry, don't understand the question well enough to comment.

 10. What components would you need?




<<

#: 16475 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  11:01:24
Sb: #16348-Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: Scott Alexander 76556,557
To: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25 (X)

colin

Can we upload a WFW file as a reply (where to so it will get found) I can not
do the questions justice  in a message (or 5).  If not, should we send private
to reduce scroll (I would prefer an upload so I can include diagrams).



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#: 16519 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:22:14
Sb: #16475-Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Scott Alexander 76556,557 (X)

Scott and ALL,

We would like to hear from as many of you folks as possible, so here are some
other alternitives that may be more convenient for you:

You may post your answer publicly or privately in this section, or you may
email, fax, or mail your responses to:

Windows Cairo Design-Preview Feedback Fax: 206-93-MS-FAX One Microsoft Way,
Redmond, WA 98052 Internet: [e-mail]

Thanks,
 Colin

#: 16529 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:53:52
Sb: #16348-Tools Survey: what do yo
Fm: Daniel Green 70312,3470
To: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25 (X)

Regarding the survey:

All I want (right now :-) is a robust, reliable, high speed, C++ compiler with
a debugger that fully supports C++ and a post-mortem tool similar to the
Winspecter shipping with Borland CPP for Win 3.1.  I don't care about an IDE
environment or any other bells and whistles; command line is fine.  What I do
care about is that the compiler is generating good code and not crashing with
internal compiler errors or CVPACK errors.  In regards to speed, the compiler
is too slow right now (this is exacerbated by the extra steps of cvpack,
converting the resource file, etc).  The traditional edit compile link cycle
takes much longer under NT then it does under Win 3.1.

#: 16297 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  11:02:17
Sb: Compiling SDK Samples
Fm: Jeff Richardson 73670,1672
To: ALL

When I try to run the MAKEALL.BAT file, the system seems to compile the
samples ok, but does not LINK.  The linker reports error U1077 and a return
code of '128'.  I look in the docs and could not find a return code of 128.
HELP, what is wrong?

thanks jeff>


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#: 16386 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  15:23:30
Sb: #16297-Compiling SDK Samples
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Jeff Richardson 73670,1672 (X)

Hi Jeff,
  Look in the file makeall.err to see which sample it fails on.
  Also, run the setenv.bat file to set your environment variables (setupsdk
  should do this for you, but the changes will not occur until you reboot
  your machine).
  What type of machine is this on?  (MIPS or x86)
  Thanks,
  Dave



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16555 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  22:20:57
Sb: #16386-Compiling SDK Samples
Fm: Jeff Richardson 73670,1672
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Dave,
Thanks for the reply, after checking and re-checking all the things you
mentioned.  I re-installed the SDK and the problem seems to be fixed.  When I
installed the SDK the first time, there was a error concerning one of the
readme.txt files.  The only thing I can guess,  is that my CD-ROM drive needs
to be cleaned (I have only had it a couple months :-( ).

Jeff.

#: 16570 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  05:53:08
Sb: Installation Problem
Fm: Bob Soodak 71055,542
To: All

Problem Installing NT from MS Win32 SDK CD-ROM.

Motherboard: IBM PS/2 Model 40SX

SCSI Adapters:
  TCM-850IBM manufactured for IBM by Future Domain;
  IBM 3.5 inch rewritable optical dreve attached, installed internally.

  Adaptec AHA-1510 (from Corel Systems);
  Corel (manufactured by Toshiba) CD-ROM attached, installed externally.
  (Blockbuster Bundle)

Problem: MS boot disk (dated July 1992) Setup program fails to recognize
  the presence of the CD-ROM.

Note: In all other respects, the CD-ROM functions normally. I had no
  problem installing the MS-Developer Network Software from the same
  drive. Is it possible that the Setup program assumes only one SCSI
  card is installed and fails to search the second for valid CD-ROMs?

#: 16356 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  12:04:46
Sb: Oct. SPY
Fm: Mark Gamber 76450,2754
To:  70744,25 (X)

Colin,
   One more *little* thing...  : )
   October's SPY's icon shows up everywhere except when the program is
minimized on the desktop. The icon text appears, but the icon itself is
invisible. At least on my desktop. It never ends, does it? <g>
   Mark

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#: 16590 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  10:34:25
Sb: #16356-Oct. SPY
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Mark Gamber 76450,2754 (X)

Hi Mark,
  Thanks for the problem report.  You are correct, the icon disappears when
  SPY is minimized.  I'll report this to the proper people.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16614 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  11:56:19
Sb: New DLL build procedure
Fm: neil colvin 71650,3517
To: Sysop (X)

What is the rationale behind the two changes required to build a DLL in the
October release?  I refer to the requirement that ALL of the object files for
the DLL be passed to LIB, and that a -base:0x1c000000 be specified for the
DLL.  Both are done in the samples, but are they both required, and what do
they do?

#: 16465 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  09:42:51
Sb: RC Issues
Fm: Samuel Feldman 70403,432
To: Colin Stuart (MSFT) 70744,25 (X)

Colin,

Two more RC issues:

1) When compiling a font resource, there seems to be 32 bytes of extra junk at
the end of the font directory, where I expect the szFaceName[] to be.  Is that
a bug?

2) When compiling a Version-Information resource, there seems to be a new WORD
in the version-information block structure, besides the cbBlock and the
cbValue.  Can you tell me what it is?

 Thanks

 -- Samuel

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#: 16620 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  13:16:29
Sb: #16465-RC Issues
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Samuel Feldman 70403,432 (X)

Samuel,

I'm looking into this.  By the way, we've just uploaded a document you may be
interested in.  It's in library 4, RESFMT.ZIP. It contains descriptions of the
binary formats of win32 resources.

Enjoy,
 Colin

#: 16518 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:22:09
Sb: Windbg problems
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

Bruce, I'll talk with development about these, and post new info as I get it.
Thanks for the post.

Colin

#: 16628 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  13:35:38
Sb: Windbg problems
Fm: Kevin Quinn 75430,255
To: Carl H Bache [PS Norway] 100010,2257 (X)

Bruce, et al:

I've also seen the lock problem with NTSD; pview shows a process still
running that can't be 'killed'.  However, all the windows have long since
gone...


Kevin
Desktop Systems
Ingres

#: 16651 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  16:00:49
Sb: Too Many S
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Thomas Holaday, GAT Corp 76244,1532 (X)

Thomas:

Would you upload the EXE file that was being CVPACK'ed when this error
occurred?  We are working to track down this problem but need a sample.

To make sure you have the right one, you can type CVPACK PROGRAM.EXE from the
command prompt and see if the error occurs.

Thanks for the help,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16420 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  18:48:59
Sb: #16242-CVPACK Error
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Koby 71172,2722 (X)

Koby:

Thanks for the problem report.  I am looking into this error.  I'll get back
with you as soon as I discover the cause.

 Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support




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#: 16636 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  14:16:10
Sb: #16420-CVPACK Error
Fm: Koby 71172,2722
To: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635 (X)

Hi Doug.
I think that I found the resone why we got CVPACK error. It based on the
copmilation switch -Zp1 that we are using. Please try using this switch
Thanks' Koby

#: 16652 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  16:00:54
Sb: #16242-CVPACK Error
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Koby 71172,2722 (X)

Koby:

Could you upload a sample EXE file that produces this error?  To verify you
have the right EXE, you can type CVPACK PROGRAM.EXE at the command prompt.
You should see the error from CVPACK.

Thanks,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16585 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  09:36:49
Sb: C runtime in DLL
Fm: dan white 70324,3147
To: sysop (X)


I'm still a little confused about how NT and the C runtime are handling DLL's.
If everyone links to CRTDLL.DLL, do a DLL and the main routine see the same
state of the C runtime if they are in the same thread?  I think the answer is
yes, but I'm not sure?

Now, how about there are multiple threads.  Is there only one heap?  If so,
there must be mutex's and other synchronization code hidden in the heap
manager. Does this make a big speed difference?  Is the C runtime still faster
than than the corresponding OS calls (HeapAlloc and so on).

If there are multiple heaps, then can we pass allocated memory between
threads?  What happens if a thread  terminates and other threads have pointers
to memory it allocated?

                                Thanks
                                Dan




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#: 16669 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  18:37:32
Sb: #16585-C runtime in DLL
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: dan white 70324,3147 (X)

Dan:

I will put together some information on this topic and get back with you
shortly.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16294 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    01-Nov-92  09:26:21
Sb: #16230-CFile destructor
Fm: Jim Young 72760,725
To: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107 (X)

The CFile object is declared as a local variable in the InitInstance()
function. I do not use new to create it from the heap. Thanks!

--Jim

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#: 16477 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  11:15:18
Sb: #16294-CFile destructor
Fm: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107
To: Jim Young 72760,725 (X)

Jim,

I took the HELLOAPP sample and added the following statement in InitInstance()

    CFile nfile;

I also compiled with the -Fc option to get a mixed source and assembler
listing.  I see that the constructor (CFile::CFile) is called when the
variable is created and that the destruction (CFile::~CFile) is called as part
of the exit from the InitInstance routine.

How are you verifying that the object is not deleted?  Under what
circumstances does this happen?  You might try my small case and work up from
there if your example is large.


Julie




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#: 16692 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  21:47:05
Sb: #16477-CFile destructor
Fm: Jim Young 72760,725
To: Julie Solon [Microsoft] 71075,107 (X)

The only verification that the destructor is not being called until the end of
the app is that is when I get the assert message. There is no particulare
circumstance that causes this - it always happens. I'll try to isolate the
problem.

--Jim

#: 16716 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  08:47:33
Sb: I've had it!
Fm: Bill Cohagan 74375,313
To: sysop (X)

I would appreciate your forwarding to me (via email if that's appropriate) the
name and email (or USmail) address of your manager for developer relations.  I
am a developer with whom MS relations have been less than satisfactory and I
would like to communicate this to someone who might care about such things.  I
regret that it has come to this, but I have no more slack to cut.

Thank you,
 Bill

#: 16687 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  21:40:34
Sb: NT boot failure
Fm: Daniel Pugh 70244,533
To: sysop (X)


I'm trying to install the NT SDK in a BOOT MANAGER partition so that
it can cohabitate with both OS/2 2.0 and DOS 5.  Am I destined for
failure?  Since my CD-ROM is not supported, I performed the steps in
the DOS2NT.BAT file by hand.  When I try to boot, I get the following
error:

OS Loader V2.10
  loading file multi(0)disk(0)partition(1)/nt/system/ntoskrnl.exe
the system did not load because it cannot find the following file
<winnt root>\system\ntoskrnl.exe.
Please re-install a copy of the above file .
Boot failed

Does NT do some low-level partition stuff that conflicts with Boot
Manager?  It seemed so safe because each OS gets its own partition. I
hate to have to buy yet another computer.

thanks in advance -- dp






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#: 16723 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  10:15:29
Sb: #16687-NT boot failure
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Daniel Pugh 70244,533 (X)

Hi Daniel,
  Please post this in section 3 (Windows NT Setup) of forum WinNT.  They
  are more experienced with these types of issues.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16615 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  11:58:54
Sb: "Dual-boot"?
Fm: Kent Rollins 72040,1607
To: all

Does Windows NT have a "dual-boot" capability whereby I can boot either
Windows NT or DOS 5.0?  I know Windows NT supports DOS itself, but I want to
know whether I can boot both from the same machine.

Kent

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#: 16642 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  15:45:07
Sb: #16615-"Dual-boot"?
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: Kent Rollins 72040,1607 (X)

The default installation of NT on my DOS 5.0 system created a dual-boot
configuration.  A BOOT.INI file defines the name of each operating system.
You can even have multiple version of NT if you want.  I have dual booted with
both the July and October release of NT.

#: 16724 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  10:15:34
Sb: #16615-"Dual-boot"?
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Kent Rollins 72040,1607

Hi Kent,
  Yes, "Flexboot" is installed on your system when you load it.  When you
  boot your machine you see a list of both operating systems.  You can
  choose whichever operating system to boot into.  Flexboot will time out
  and boot into whichever you choose as the default in a settable amount
  of time.

  If you have further setup questions, please post in section 3 (Windows
  NT setup) of forum Winnt.

  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16459 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  09:39:37
Sb: LINK w multi resources
Fm: David Manns 100112,2773
To: ALL

Is there a way of linking multiple resource objects in an executable? LINK
accepts them without giving any errors, but you cannot then access the
resources. It only works if there is one and only one resource object. Is this
a known problem that will be addressed?



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#: 16732 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  12:19:27
Sb: #16459-LINK w multi resources
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: David Manns 100112,2773

Hi David,
  I am checking to seeing if this is by design or a bug.  With Windows 3.0
  they recommend you using one single .RC file.  If you have your resources
  spread out among many resources, create an empty rc file and #include the
  contributing .rc files.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16607 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  11:15:48
Sb: No I/O fncs found
Fm: Ken Lidster 71051,1323
To: sysop (X)

When porting our product to Windows NT, we get unresolved external messages
for the I/O functions (_lseek, _open, _write, etc.). The release notes
indicate that the file mstools\lib\symbols.txt would list all of the symbols
available in the libraries. We could only find the above functions listed
as _llseek, _lopen, _lwrite, and so forth in kernel32.lib. As a test, we
changed our modules to match the names in symbols.txt, but they still remain
undefined (all forms).

Where can we find these functions?

Ken


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#: 16733 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  12:19:34
Sb: #16607-No I/O fncs found
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Ken Lidster 71051,1323 (X)

Hi Ken,
  >When porting our product to Windows NT, we get unresolved external
  >messages for the I/O functions (_lseek, _open, _write, etc.). The release
  >notes indicate that the file mstools\lib\symbols.txt would list all of
  >the symbols available in the libraries. We could only find the above
  >functions listed as _llseek, _lopen, _lwrite, and so forth in kernel32.
  >As a test, we changed our modules to match the names in symbols.txt, but
  >they still remain undefined (all forms).

  I was able to use the _lopen() and _lread().  To do this, I modified the
  sample "simple".  I simply added hFile = _lopen("simple.c", OF_READ)
  _lread(hFile, szTemp, 80). As you mentioned, these should be included in
  kernel32.lib.  Are you using the October Release? When you are linking,
  do you see kernel32.lib on the link line?  Is your LIB environment
  variable set to the proper location?

  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16653 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  16:01:00
Sb: CVPACK breakpoint (?)
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Bruce Cowan 73650,32 (X)

Bruce:

Our developer who wrote CVPACK has been looking into this problem and has
asked me for a sample.  Could you upload a sample EXE file?  This would be the
EXE file that is left over after the breakpoint exception.

To make sure you have the correct EXE file, you can type CVPACK PROGRAM.EXE at
the command prompt.  You should see the same breakpoint exception.

Thanks for the help,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support




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#: 16743 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  13:04:24
Sb: #16653-CVPACK breakpoint (?)
Fm: Bruce Cowan 73650,32
To: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635 (X)

Doug:
I'm afraid I can't recreate that problem any more. Now when I try the same
thing (compiling my entire application with /Zi) I get a "instruction at
0x00015da5 couldn't write the memory at 0x0058e1b0" or "instruction at
0x00015d12 couldn't write the memory at 0x00559000" (paraphrased). The crash
is quite repeatable although the failure seems to move around a bit. Do you
really want me to upload a 2.6MB file (compressed, the .EXE file is 6.1MB)?
If so, I think you should pay!

Bruce

#: 16753 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  14:39:14
Sb: MFC Linker Problem
Fm: Bruce W. Johnson 73170,3076
To: all

I am having linking trouble with MFC. Symmptoms can be replicated as follows:

1. Take the sample program hello.cpp. 2. Move the constructor
CMainWindow::CMAinWindow() to a separate source module. 3. Add this new module
to the list of objects in the makefile. 4. The make will fail in linking with
the message that ??0CMainWindow@@QAG@XZ is an undefined external.

What is the magic incantation to give the compiler/linker to keep it from
choking on this?

I am using the October beta.

Thanks in advance.

#: 16417 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  18:08:11
Sb: Oct NT and C++ Debugging
Fm: John H Soucie 71052,3516
To: SYSOP (X)

Sysop,

I have just recieved my October release of NT and the preliminary SDK.   I
have a C++ test application that compiles under the new version and runs
beginning to end.  The application is a short console application.  I
attempted to run the application through Windbg but found that while I now
view C++ code, I still cannot view C++ class data.  Whenever I attempt to
expand a class listed in the Locals or Watch window by clicking on the "+"
symbol, the debugger replies with:

Error: error in OMF type information.

With this error, it seems as though the Windbg expression evaluator is still
unable to recognize C++ class information.  Is this true or am I doing
something wrong.  The release notes state that the new Windbg supports C++,
but I would have to take exception to this statement if C++ class data cannot
be viewed.  Additionally, if the problem is with Windbg, why isn't there a
readme file somewhere that discusses its limitations?

Any insight would be great.  Thanks.

John Soucie

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#: 16760 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  15:38:39
Sb: #16417-Oct NT and C++ Debugging
Fm: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25
To: John H Soucie 71052,3516 (X)

John,

We've reproduced the problem and have informed development. I'll post any new
information I get.  Thanks for your post.

Colin

#: 16761 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  15:38:46
Sb: Bug in C++/C comp.
Fm: Ken Joyner 75140,256
To: Sysop (X)


/*******************************************************************************
 * The code below shows a bug in the compiler:
 * This code works with Borland, AT&T, and Zortech compilers.
 *
 * The compiler can't figure out what operator it should use, but
 * it should use the operator precedents to figure it out.
 *
 * This is a serious bug.  What is your policy on bug fixes, do you make
 * patches?
 *
 * This bug shows up in the July and October Releases.
 *
 * Bryan Sera
 *
 *

*******************************************************************************/

class Astr {
 public:
   Astr(char* CString); };

class AstrArrLtr { };

class AstrArr {
 public:
   AstrArr(unsigned int size);

   operator AstrArrLtr*();
   operator Astr*();
   Astr& operator[](unsigned int index); };

  void main() {
  AstrArr array(5);
  array[0] = Astr("Zero"); }

#: 16762 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  15:39:51
Sb: another Bug in C++ comp.
Fm: Ken Joyner 75140,256
To: Sysop (X)


/*******************************************************************************
 * The code below shows a bug in the compiler:
 * This code works with Borland, AT&T, and Zortech compilers.
 *
 * This bug shows up in the July and October Releases.
 *
 * Bryan Sera
 *
 *

*******************************************************************************/

class A {
  virtual int func() { return 0; }; };

typedef A thisisA;

class B : public A {
  /* Since thisisA is a A, the function below should work */
  /* the same as this->A::func();                         */
  virtual int func() { return this->thisisA::func(); }; };

#: 16720 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  09:54:31
Sb: Resource Formats
Fm: Samuel Feldman 70403,432
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Steve --

Another question occurred to me after reading the resource formats document,
and that is, what are these new resource types with predefined type numbers?

RT_NEWRESOURCE is a flag 0x2000, and gets applied to other types to create
RT_NEWBITMAP, RT_NEWMENU, and RT_NEWDIALOG.  Can you tell me what these are?

And doesn't Microsoft documentation say that if you want to use a user-defined
type with an ID, make sure it's above 256, since numbers below 256 are
reserved for Microsoft?  Then wouldn't the use of 0x2000 create problems of ID
conflicts?

 -- Samuel

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#: 16763 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  15:40:14
Sb: #16720-Resource Formats
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Samuel Feldman 70403,432 (X)

Samuel,  First of all, thank you for the constructive feedback on resfmt which
you posted in section 4.  We are reviewing it for inclusion in the next
release of that document.  I will try to have answers to the questions which
you raised there sometime tomorrow.  I will post them in section 4.

Secondly, I do not know what the RT_NEWRESOURCE flag is for.  From everything
that I've seen, it is not used.  Please notice that I sort of "went out on a
limb" to upload resfmt.  It has not been through a formal doc. review process.
Although this is being worked on, I don't think that anyone would have seen
the information in that document before the next beta release.  You may want
to interpret the contents with this in mind.  It is NOT an official document.
Thanks for your interest and feedback.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16328 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  08:10:41
Sb: DLL/FP/Linker
Fm: Thomas Nielsen 100065,2167
To: Dough Olson 10000,34

Doug,

once again thanks for your help on our linking problem (msg. #15574, using
floating point in a DLL), but another one has arisen. Since we are now using
the _CRT_INIT function as entry-point in the DLL, our old LibMain function
isn't getting called on DLL startup.
  The problem is, that we are defining a couple of window classes in the
LibMain function, at the time the DLL is loaded, and since this function isn't
being called anymore, the window classes aren't defined.
  Our question is: Is it possible to call the _CRT_INIT function from within
our own LibMain, and still get the desired effect (no reference to a _main
function), or do we have to define a special function, to be called on program
(EXE) startup, which will define our window classes.

                        Many thanks in advance,

                                        Thomas

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#: 16423 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  18:49:15
Sb: #16328-DLL/FP/Linker
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Thomas Nielsen 100065,2167 (X)

Thomas:

Interesting question, I am checking into it.

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16775 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  17:32:30
Sb: #16328-DLL/FP/Linker
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Thomas Nielsen 100065,2167

Thomas:

It is possible to call the _CRT_INIT function from within your own entry point
function.  Below I have included a sample DLL entry point which calls the
_CRT_INIT correctly and invokes LibMain().

_CRT_INIT must be called on PROCESS_ATTACH before any C run-time routines are
called, and it must be called on PROCESS_DETACH after all run-time routines
are called.

Please note the two lines that are only for the October beta. The calling of
_heap_init will not be necessary in the next release of the libraries.

I hope that this helps,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support


 BOOL _stdcall DllEntryPoint(HANDLE hDll, DWORD dwReason,
                             LPVOID lpReserved)
 {
    /* These two lines are only needed with the October Beta */

    void __cdecl _heap_init(void);
    if ( dwReason == DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH ) _heap_init();

    /* Initialize the C Run-Time *BEFORE* any
       user code initialization */

    if ( dwReason == DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH ||
         dwReason == DLL_THREAD_ATTACH )
        if (!_CRT_INIT(hDll, dwReason, lpReserved))
            return fFalse ;

    /* Call LibMain() on process initialization */

        if ( dwReason == DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH ) LibMain();

    /* This is a place for more user code DLL init/term */


    /*Terminate the C Run-Time *AFTER* all user code
      termination */

    if ( dwReason == DLL_PROCESS_DETACH ||
         dwReason == DLL_THREAD_DETACH )
        if (!_CRT_INIT(hDll, dwReason, lpReserved))
            return fFalse ;

        return fTrue;
 }

#: 16596 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  10:38:23
Sb: CL386 Problems
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: sysop (X)

Problems with CL386 compiler for NT.  I am lumping them altogether
since they seem to be related to the evaluation of macro variables
during prototyping or compilation.

I had the same problem prototyping which has already been reported:
        INTERNAL COMPILER ERROR in WINUSER.H at line 111.

After commenting out lines 111 and 112 (wsprintf*) I was able to
prototype most c files.  However, the evaluation of macro expressions
created other compiler errors.

Problem evaluating #if expressions during prototyping (-Zg).  We use
the standard #if (WINVER >= 0x030a) contruct used in windows.h for
a define CADVER.  This generates a fatal error:

        "integer error evaluation expression".

        #if (CADVER >= 300)
                ...
        #endif

Also simple tests fail, e.g.:

        #define DEBUGDB         0

        #if DEBUGDB
                ...
        #endif

CL386: Problem evaluation simple expressions.  The following code fragment
generates a "overflow in floating point constant arithmetic":

        #define CHORD_TOLERANCE         0.00015

        double d;
        d = CHORD_TOLERANCE * 1440;

CL386: -Zs compile switch not implemented.

CL386:  INTERNAL COMPILER ERROR when compiling YACC generated source
file.  Always fails in ?????.A which is a large switch statement.

Chuck Atwood (Foresight Resources Corporation)


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#: 16776 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  17:32:38
Sb: #16596-CL386 Problems
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602 (X)

Chuck:

Thanks for the problem report.  I will report these problems to development
and let you know the status.

Thanks,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16418 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  18:14:16
Sb: C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: Colin Stuart [Microsoft] 70744,25 (X)


How many of you C++ programmers are dropping Oct NT and going back to July NT
?


Microsoft: in light of the C++ bugs you're seeing in the Oct NT release, would
you recommend going back to the July NT release (for C++) ?


Everybody (and apologies if this is a heresy here): is there a good Borland
C++ solution for NT development available yet?

Thanks,
                               Alex




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#: 16455 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  08:48:05
Sb: #16418-C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Bill Cohagan 74375,313
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

Alex-
  I'm afraid I'm about to drop back to the July release.  My application won't
compile under the Oct release.  Unfortunately that same app wouldn't *link*
correctly under the July release, but at least I figured out a workaround.
Not so with the current compiler problem (fatal compiler error.)

  Although I would have liked an instant fix from MS on this forum there has
been no fix/workaround forthcoming.  In fairness, I think MS is responding as
best they can under the circumstances, but I'm still left high and dry. I'm
just hoping we don't have to wait another major release cycle to get fixes for
these compiler problems. Surely MS is aware of how these problems are
impacting developers' efforts.

Bill

#: 16510 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  16:23:47
Sb: #16418-C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

Alex,

Most of the bugs i've seen in the oct'92 c++ compiler seem to have
workarounds, not that that's an escuse - but environment wise the october
version is much better.

Of course, their are 3-4 bug reports i'll be making as soon as I get them
written up....

Peter



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#: 16670 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  18:37:38
Sb: #16510-C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570 (X)

Peter:

Please report any bugs to us that you find in the October release.  We are
investigating the bugs that have been reported so far, and would like to hear
about any others that are being encountered.

We are working to find solutions to these problems.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support




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#: 16701 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  00:04:26
Sb: #16670-C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570
To: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635 (X)

Doug,

I didn't mean to imply that the tools are not being worked on, and
considering what the tools looked like several months ago they are
improving.  It's just disapointing to see things which seemed to work
better in prior versions.  Esp the C++ parser in cl386.

Here is code for a bug where under some circumstances the constructor
syntax of "classname(paramater)" is not accepted and
"(classname)paramater" is accepted.

class Id {
public:
        Id(int) {}
};


class Other {
public:
        Other(Id);
};

void func(int xx) {
        Other *off;
        Other ot(Id(1));                // Compiles
        Other ot2((Id)1);               // Compiles
        Other ot3(Id(xx));              // Compiles
        Other ot4((Id)xx);              // Compiles
        off=new Other((Id)xx);  // Compiles
        off=new Other(Id(xx));  // Syntax error as follows:

#: 16777 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  17:32:41
Sb: #16701-C++/NT Oct -> July
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570 (X)

Peter:

Thank you for reporting these problems.  I am going to forward this
information on to development and also look into your questions.

Thanks,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16789 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  19:09:33
Sb: NMAKE problems
Fm: Chuck Atwood 76004,1602
To: ssyop

NMAKE doesn't check dependencies correctly for directories.  The
following makefile works using NMAKE from C7 with DOS 5.0 but will
display "'CHUCK' is up-to-date" in the MSDOS window under NT.
I am using the FAT file system.  Make a directory CHUCK and type:
NMAKE -f NTBAD.MAK.

        # NTBAD.MAK
        # author: cla

        DIRS = CHUCK

        $(DIRS):
                cd $(*)
                copy ..\ntbad.mak .
                cd..

        # [EndOfMake]

P.S. NMAKE needs !ELSE which is available in 3.1/C700 SDK.

Chuck Atwood (Foresight Resources Corporation)

#: 16606 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  11:09:02
Sb: Backup/Restore problem
Fm: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354
To: all

  I was trying to copy a few files from one NT machine to another. The files
were some executables and a few archive files. Everything seemed to work fine,
but when I tried to execute the file, I got the error
       "Failed to initialize properly, address 0xc000000005" or something like
that. When I looked at the files, they seemed to have the correct size.
  The way I finally managed to copy the files was to use backup and restore
from simple DOS (not DOS under NT). So I assume that backup/restore under NT
has some problems.
       Apostolos




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#: 16794 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  19:51:34
Sb: #16606-Backup/Restore problem
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354 (X)

Hi Apostolos,
  Thanks for the problem report.  Please post this in section 7 (Utilities/
  Applets) of Forum WinNT.  They are more familiar with the system utilities
  and non-sdk issues.  Thanks,  Dave

#: 16594 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  10:36:57
Sb: NTSD and SECOND CHANCE
Fm: Mike Payne 71062,3342
To: Anyone

Hi, Perhaps someone can help me. I want to turn off the way the ntsd comes up
on "SECOND CHANCE" after my application crashes. THis is so that I can run an
automated series of tests, which note what crashes anyway. Thanks, Chris Hall

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#: 16795 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  19:51:40
Sb: #16594-NTSD and SECOND CHANCE
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Mike Payne 71062,3342

Hi Mike,
  One way you could do this is put a try-except around your whole program.
  And then the exception handler does nothing.  If I find a better way to
  do this, i'll post here.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16809 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  04:49:31
Sb: Test for NT
Fm: Dan Sullivan 76327,1534
To: SYSOP (X)

I am interested in when Test for NT will be available? Any predictions?

Thanks in advance Dan

#: 16814 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  08:35:33
Sb: Windbg crashes
Fm: David Edge 75170,1461
To: all

I am using Windbg to debug a C++ application.  So far, I have had reasonably
good success.  I am having two problems though.

The first problem is expanding classes in the local variable window.  Many
times, when I try to do this, I get the application error message: "The
instruction at 0x400133F5 referenced memory at 0x00000000.  The memory could
not be "read"."  This is very frustrating to get deep into debugging, need to
look at the values in a class and know that if I click on it to expand it it
may be the end of the debug session.

The second problem is that it seems like the local variable window is not
always updated properly.  Sometimes when I reach a breakpoint,  the values do
not look correct so I go over to the command window and look at them there and
the values are different.  Closing and reopening the window causes the values
to be correct again.

Overall, I really like Windbg.  It took a while to get used to it because I
really liked two monitor debugging in Win 3.1 with an 8514 and a 50 line VGA
codeview screen.  The debugger seems very sluggish.  Single stepping takes a
long time and startup is pretty slow.  It also takes a long time to restore
all of the windows on startup.  Are there plans to improve its performance?

#: 16384 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  15:21:01
Sb: link/problem with errno
Fm: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354
To: all

  When I try to link my program using the predefined $(guilibsmt) symbol, link
reports that _errno is undefined. When I link with c:\mstools\lib\*.lib, the
link works fine. Unfoprtunatly, if you link with all the libraries, there is a
conflict between some libraries about errno, so errno isn't updated correctly.
  My program uses errno to decide if some file operations are succesfull or
not, and if not takes the neccesary corrective actions. So there isn't the
option of not using errno. Which are the correct libraries to link with so
errno is defined? (My program is a windows multithread application)
       Thanks in advance
               Lakis




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#: 16523 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:28:52
Sb: #16384-link/problem with errno
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354 (X)

Apostolos:

I am checking into this problem and will get back with you as soon as
possible.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16661 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  16:55:16
Sb: #16384-link/problem with errno
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354 (X)

Apostolos:

Please make sure you are doing the following:

 1. Using $(guilibsmt) on your link line
 2. Using $(cvarsmt) instead of $(cvars) on your compile line
 3. Do not extern errno in your code

With the above configuration I was able to successfully link.  Please let me
know what happens.

Thanks,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support




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#: 16819 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  10:22:25
Sb: #16661-link/problem with errno
Fm: Apostolos Karmirantzos 75070,2354
To: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635 (X)

  Thanks for the info. I managed to compile/link with no problem about errno.
The problem was that I was using $(cvars) indetad of $(cvarsmt). Next time I
should read the manual first.
  Thanks again.
        Lakis

#: 16408 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  16:42:05
Sb: Efficient try/except ??
Fm: Bill Cohagan 74375,313
To: sysop (X)

How efficient is it to use try/except?  I'm considering using a write
protected page as a boundary for some memory being managed by my app.  This
way I can just use the write protect violation as a signal that I need to
increase the memory size.  The alternative is to do a threshold compare each
time I allocate a chunk.  Due to other considerations it appears that I'd have
to wrap the individual assignment operation with the try/except; e.g.,

 try{
   i += len;
   foo[i] = 0;
 } except ( handle write protect fault )
 {
  ...
 }

The idea is that I can unprotect that page and let the operation proceed in
*most* cases.  So is the above likely to be more efficient than:

 i += len;
 if (i > threshold) ...handle overflow...
 else foo[i] = 0;

My guess is that the threshold check is quicker 'cause the try has got to do
some setup in order to arrange to catch the protection violation, right?

Bill

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#: 16524 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    03-Nov-92  17:28:57
Sb: #16408-Efficient try/except ??
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Bill Cohagan 74375,313 (X)

Bill:

I have someone looking into this issue.  I will get back with you as soon as
possible.

Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16824 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  11:06:39
Sb: #16408-Efficient try/except ??
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Bill Cohagan 74375,313 (X)

Bill:

This has been an interesting question.

>>My guess is that the threshold check is quicker 'cause the try has got to do
some setup in order to arrange to catch the protection violation, right?

I think you are right, the threshold check would be quicker. To use try/except
more efficiently, I suggest putting the try/except around the loop.  This
method would be faster than the threshold check.

 Sincerely,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16626 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  13:33:18
Sb: help
Fm: Rob Tessier 76666,3633
To: all

I am in the process of porting and .exe and several supporting .dlls to the
Oct release of Win32/NT.  Supposedly, only one set of sources is needed to
support both win32 and win3.x but as I get more into it, it seems almost
unavoidable to have separate sources.  How do I combine the differences in the
makefiles and .def file?  Win32 doesn't require the stack and heapsize fields
in the def file, how do I exclude them when building for win32?

Also, it appears that the hardbound docs I got with the July release is just a
copy of the win3.x/C7.0 docs with NT stuck in place of 3.x/c7.0. Some of the
NMAKE options described are not supported as the docs say they are plus the
cl386 compiler doc still talks segmentation and memory models. Is there some
accurate docs for the SDK tools so I can reference legit info? I tried using
!ifdef $(win32) in my make script to isolate win32 builds from win16 builds
and nmake keeps complaining about that line.

Rob

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#: 16793 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  19:51:29
Sb: #16626-help
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Rob Tessier 76666,3633 (X)

Hi Rob,
  Try looking at the Generic sample (in mstools\samples\generic).  This
  provides a good example of how to isolate the Win16/Dos differences.
  What it boils down to is the following statements:
  !IF "$(CPU)" != ""
  OS=NT
  ENV=WIN32
  !ELSE
  OS=DOS
  ENV=WIN16
  !ENDIF
  !include <$(OS)$(ENV).MAK>

  In NT environments, the NTWIN32.MAK environment specific details can be
  defined (like the libraries, (guilibs, conlibs), etc.)
  In DOS, DOSWIN16.MAK will be included.
  You also mentioned the module definition file.  In the Generic example
  makefile, they handle this in the following way:

  !IFDEF CPUTYPE
  # This is for Windows NT
     $(cvtobj) $(cvtdebug) *.obj
     link -link $(linkdebug) $(guiflags) $(proj).obj ....
  !ENDIF
  !IFNDEF CPUTYPE
  # This is for Windows DOS
     $(link) $(guiflags) ... $(proj).def
     rc ...
  !ENDIF
  As for documentation, try looking at the Compiler Tools Help (In general
  the Win Help files are more recent than the hard copy docs).
  (To start it, type winhlp32 <sdkdrive>:\mstoools\bin\tools.hlp)

  Hope this helps,
  Dave






  You mentioned the




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#: 16836 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  11:45:43
Sb: #16793-help
Fm: Rob Tessier 76666,3633
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Your suggestions were very helpfull, Thanks.  But one thing I didn't deduce
from the GENERIC samples is what should the output filenames be named if I
intend to support both 16 and 32 bit Windows environments? Because I'm
guessing the import libs, and dlls I built under NT are not compatible with
Win16, I appended 'w32' to the filename to keep them separate from their 16
bit counterparts.  For instance, my dirs have:

 [c:\lvwindev\lib]                       [c:\lvwindev\exe]
 util.lib     utilw32.lib               util.dll    utilw32.dll
 graph.lib    graphw32.lib              graph.dll   graphw32.dll

Is this recommended?  I found if I tried to use the import lib built from
Win3.0, the NT linker complains.  I haven't tried the reverse yet to see if I
try to link under Win3.0 with the import libs generated from NT.

Could you please clarify the recommended procedure for developing from the
same source code, yet supporting Win3.x and Win32?

Rob T.

#: 16838 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  13:25:52
Sb: Windbg and "mdb"
Fm: Jake Kirk 76207,1403
To: sysop (X)

I can seem to be able to "mdb" or memory dump bytes under the debugger.
this feature is available under codeview.  how would one do this under NT?
for example I want to dump bytes starting at the address of a variable for a
length of 100 bytes.

? mdb my_var L 100 < cr >

would be the way to do it under codeview.
//Jake.

#: 16839 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  13:28:55
Sb: NT Windbg
Fm: Chester L. Kloss 72311,743
To: sysop (X)

I'm attempting to debug an application which uses the MFC library.  When I
enter windbg with my app it (windbg) can't find the source files for MFC
because (I guess) they are in the MFC\src directory. How do I solve this. I
thought maybe I have to copy all the sources for MFC into my codes directory.
Or, do I have to recompile the MFC library in with some "new" targets, models
etc. ?

Also is quickwatch disabled in october release of NT?

Finally, how do I get windbg when it starts up an app to automatically put the
current program location cursor on winmain, I usually execute trace into to
get me there?

Thanks

#: 16848 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  14:44:03
Sb: MIPS Link
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Microsoft

I'm trying to port our app. to the MIPS platform.  I've ported several small
apps. successfully, but in porting our largest app., I can't link it.  Every
time I try, after all the link commands have been issued, including the list
of files, I very quickly get the following messages:
        LINK() : error 0102: Out of memory
        Extended Error: No such file or directory
        NMAKE : fatal error U1077: ....... I am linking approximately 90 files
that comprise 8.5 MBytes of disk space. These have been converted using
MIP2COFF without the -c option.  Initially, I tried using the -c option with
the same results, but the files ate 22 MBytes, so I tried it without.

I have 32 Meg of RAM, 100 Meg of free disk space, and 90 Meg allocated for the
System Paging File.  Needless to say, I can't understand why I'm running out
of memory!

I'm assuming that the Out of memory error, since it comes first, is the
legitimate error, and that the no such file or directory is a side effect.

I'm supposed to have this up to demo in the Microsoft 3rd party booth at
COMDEX, so admittedly, I'M DESPARATE!

I'm posting this in both the Tools and MIPS sections, because I can't afford
the delay to re-post it if I put it in the wrong place.  (I don't want to
waste your time by having 2 people simultaneously tracking the same problem.
Likewise, please don't drop it, assuming the other section's taking care of
it.)

Thanks!!!!!!

#: 16640 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  15:08:32
Sb: KD and NTSD setup
Fm: Tim Stevenson [NCD PC-X] 71041,1465
To: Sysop (X)

I have just completed setting up my second NT system with KD and have verified
that the two systems talk to one another via the serial ports. I start KD on
the "debugger" machine and get a
       KD: waiting to connect message On the target machine I start NTSD with
       ntsd -d hooks.exe I immediately get an Application Error dialog from
NTSD.EXE stating the following:
       The exception "Breakpoint
       A breakpoint has been reached in the source program.
       "(0x80000003) occured in the application at location
       0x6010a3f4

When I click on Cancel I am in NTSD.EXE at ntdll!_DebugService+0x14.

I believe I have followed what instructions I have been able to find for the
setup of KD and NTSD but I have not been able to get it to work. If you are
asking why I am going to all this trouble, its because I need to be able to
debug system hooks and NTSD is not able to debug code that hooks keyboard and
mouse events.





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#: 16774 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  17:08:26
Sb: #16640-KD and NTSD setup
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Tim Stevenson [NCD PC-X] 71041,1465

Hello Tim:

 Is your target machine sending debug messages to the i386kd (or Mipskd) when
it boots? You may run the i386kd on the debugger with the -v option to put it
in the verbose mode.  (Do i386kd -? for detail.)  If the -v option is used,
then you should see screenful of debug messages as the target machine boots.

 If you don't see the debug message as the target boots, then you should check
to make sure if the target machine is running in debug mode.  On x86, the
boot.ini file should not specify the /NODEBUG on the os line.  On MIPS, check
the environment variable on the bottom of your blue screen before booting.

 If the target is indeed in debug mode, check the serial line.  On x86, the
target graps the highest com port for debugging.  You will see the message
"debugger using com2" displayed on the top of the blue screen if your machine
has two com port.  This com port should be connected to com1 on the debugger
(or to the port specified by the _nt_debug_port environment variable.

 Finally check to make sure you have the right cable and no hardware conflict
on the com port.

 Hope this helps,
 petrus





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#: 16852 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  15:42:41
Sb: #16774-KD and NTSD setup
Fm: Scott Alexander 76556,557
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

Petrus

 <pmji>

 > Finally check to make sure you have the right cable and no hardware
conflict
 on the com port.
 <

 Since I am about to start dual machine debugging code, what is the right
cable?  I heard this mentioned at the DDC also, but never found out if I
needed a modem cable, a straight thru or a "null modem" cable.

Is this documented somewhere ? (I do not have the 3.1 ddk, only the NT ddk,
which has no docs yet)

 Thanks

#: 16714 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    05-Nov-92  08:19:34
Sb: New NT RC?
Fm: Mike Bailey 70760,112
To: Tools-Microsoft

Will the released version of the NT SDK still use the Windows 3.X resource
compiler along with the CVTRES.EXE program?  We have a situation where we
replace the resource in a executable.  Will we still be able to do this under
NT or will we have to re-link all of the objs again?

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#: 16859 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  16:10:34
Sb: #16714-New NT RC?
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Mike Bailey 70760,112

Mike Bailey,

At the moment, there is no utility to modify the resources built into an
executable without relinking.  There may be a tool, by the final release of
the SDK, but the decision has not been made yet one way or the other.  Please
notice that there are three new API's which would make writing your own
utility pretty straightforward:  BeginUpdateResource, UpdateResource, and
EndUpdateResource.

Incidentally, the resource compiler included on the Windows/NT SDK is
different from the 3.1 resource compiler.  For example, the new RC writes out
strings in unicode.  The CVTRES program is used to convert the RES file to an
object module format compatible with what the linker expects. I believe that
CVTRES will continue to exist through the first release, but there are some
people who would like to incorporate its function into either the linker or
into RC.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16813 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  08:30:30
Sb: New NT RC.EXE
Fm: Mike Bailey 70760,112
To: sysop (X)

Will the released version of the Win32 SDK contain a Win32 version of the
resource compiler, instead of the Win 3.X version and the CVTRES.EXE program?
We need to replace a resource after the executable has been linked.  Will
there be a way of doing this in the future without re-linking the entire
program?

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#: 16860 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  16:10:38
Sb: #16813-New NT RC.EXE
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Mike Bailey 70760,112

Mike Bailey,   I just answered these questions in reponse to your message #
16714.  In general, if you do not hear a reponse within two working days, it
is a good idea to re-post the question.  If it has been less than two working
days, we are probably still working on the answer.  Thanks,

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16865 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  16:55:58
Sb: MFC & CRTDLL
Fm: dan white 70324,3147
To: sysop (X)


I am unsure how to compile MFC for use with CRTDLL.DLL.  If I compile
        with _DLL defined, MFC will think its in a DLL, right? Also, MFC uses
        routines like __doserrno which bon't seem to be in in CRTDLL.LIB.
Which
        compile switches am I supposed to use?

        Also, how do I view TRACE output under NT?  Is it supposed to come up
in Windbg
        (it doesn't seem to)?


                                Thanks, Dan

#: 16431 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    02-Nov-92  20:03:44
Sb: MFC/DLL
Fm: Jim Conger 73220,324
To: ALL

I'm having trouble converting a DLL based on the MFC classes from Windows 3.1
to Windows NT.  Although both the DLL and EXE compile fine, the linker can't
find the exported function from the DLL.  I'm using the following linker
command line to create the DLL and export library:

  coff -link -DLL -base:0x1C000000 \
  -subsystem:windows -entry:WinMainCRTStartup -machine:i386 \
  -out:MYDLL.dll MYDLL.obj nafxcw.lib libc.lib ntdll.lib \
  winspool.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib comdlg32.lib \
  version.lib

  lib -out:MYDLL.lib -def:MYDLL.def -machine:i386

(I'm suspicious that the entry point should be something other than
WinMainCRTStartup.  I tried LibMain, but that resulted in an unresolved
external.)

The real problem surfaces when I try to link the EXE that uses the DLL.  The
linker does not find the exported function in MYDLL.LIB.  Here is the linker
call for the EXE:

  coff -link -subsystem:windows -entry:WinMainCRTStartup \
  -out:MYEXE.exe MYEXE.obj nafxcw.lib libc.lib ntdll.lib \
  winspool.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib comdlg32.lib \
  version.lib MYDLL.lib

I verified that the MYDLL.lib export library exists and contains the correct
name for the exported function (declared _extern "C" to avoid name mangling).
Clearly the linker is not finding that exported function name, but I cannot
figure out why.  Any ideas?

Jim Conger

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#: 16825 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  11:06:54
Sb: #16431-MFC/DLL
Fm: Doug Olson [Microsoft] 72350,2635
To: Jim Conger 73220,324 (X)

Jim:

It appears that my previous message did not get to you.  In any case, I have a
few questions regarding this problem.

 1. What is the exported name in your MYDLL.LIB file?

 2. Is your calling program C or C++?

 3. How is the imported function prototyped in your calling program?

I look forward to your answers,

 Doug Olson
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16868 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  17:36:37
Sb: MFC/DLL
Fm: Jim Conger 73220,324
To:  72350,2635 (X)

Thanks for getting back to me.  Here are the answers to your questions:

1. The exported function name is StrRev().  The full function declaration:
extern "C" BOOL FAR PASCAL _export StrRev (LPSTR lpSource, int nLong) ;

2.  The calling program is a C++ program with a CPP extenstion.  However, the
function declaration extern "C" is visible to the calling program.

3. The imported function is prototyped as shown in 1. above.

I think the point of your questions is that C++ name mangling could be the
reason for the problem.  I did make this error initially, but caught it when
doing the Windows 3.1 development.  The DLL and calling program work fine when
compiled using MS C++ 7.0 and the MFC classes for under Windows 3.1.  The
programs also compile fine under Windows NT, but the function StrRev() is not
found by the calling program during the linking step.  Running DEBUG on the
export library shows that the StrRev() function is listed in the export
library without name mangling.  I lose the trail at this point.

#: 16591 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    04-Nov-92  10:34:32
Sb: RC Anomaly
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Hi Samuel,
  We just uploaded RESFMT.ZIP to Lib 4.  This contains a description for the
  resource formats.  In this document, it states 0x8000 (as you originally
  guessed it should be) as the last entry.
  Thanks,
  Dave



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#: 16869 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  17:49:10
Sb: #16591-RC Anomaly
Fm: Samuel Feldman 70403,432
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054

David,

 >  We just uploaded RESFMT.ZIP to Lib 4.  This contains a description for the
 >  resource formats.  In this document, it states 0x8000 (as you originally
 >  guessed it should be) as the last entry.

[ In reference to Accelerator table items ]

Yes, I see that is what the document says.  However, this is NOT what RC does.
This is either a bug in the doc, or a bug in RC, your choice.

Could you please let me know which it is? Thanks a lot

 -- Samuel

#: 16871 S7/Tools-Microsoft
    06-Nov-92  18:11:00
Sb: WINDBG and My app
Fm: Marc Singer 72130,2546
To: Sysop (X)

I just went through the past two weeks worth of messages to find a solution
for my problem.  I did find that I needed to use -Zi instead of -Zd to get the
right symbols.  Unfortunately, after making this change, I can no longer get
WINDBG to load my app.  I get an error during a call to malloc which calls
ntdll!_RtlExAllocateHeap (NTSD provided a stack backtrace) while WINDBG is
loading my application.  I checked that I have sufficient swap space, and I
rebooted the machine to make sure there were no lingering sub-system problems.

The error as reported is the instruction 0x6010fbad referenced memory at
0x002cea55 which could not be read.

I am getting many more run-time applications errors than I did from the July
release.  I hope to use WINDBG to dump my symbols because we all know how fun
using ntsd is.  Is there any advice for getting WINDBG to load?

My app is mostly C++.  The disk image is 1.5 megabytes.

What more can I give you all to help find a solution?  I would like to use
WINDBG before the show, but I will do whatever it takes to get the app running
by then.

Marc Singer -- Straylight Software




#: 16322 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    02-Nov-92  06:15:16
Sb: Porting to NT
Fm: John Hardman 100023,2532
To: ALL

Just a quickie to confirm how easy all you Microsoft people have made
porting to NT.

I have been working on a Win 3.1 project for the past 6 months and have
been listening to all the stuff about message crackers etc. as you give
the information out. The C source for the project is now around the 1.7 Mb
mark.

Having recently won a MIPs machine I thought I'd try rebuilding the project
under NT. Starting from scratch with a partly configured NT machine but with
none of my usual tools installed I ported the project successfully in under
seven hours. About half of this was taken up rewriting my make file to work
with the MIPs compiler and linker, maybe an hour fixing the few non-portable
API calls that crept into the code, and the rest trying to edit large files
using Notepad (which isn't quite up to it yet). To say that I'm pleased is
an understatement. The system is up and running now. Well done guys.

However .... at run time there are a few problems, but then NT isn't even in
beta yet so that's not really surprising. The question is, do you want to
hear about problems now or wait until beta starts ?

I'll list a few things here, but as I haven't had time to check out the
MIPs debugger yet it is possible that some of these are down to our source
as opposed to NT ...

(1) "unknown software exception" (0xc0000037) at location 0x6012f630.
(2) Complete hang of system requiring push of reset button.
(3) Error loading icon.
(4) Error posting message to window.
(5) Combo box sorting behaving in unexpected manner.

Nice one guys ...

John Hardman (UK).


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#: 16341 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    02-Nov-92  10:38:34
Sb: #16322-Porting to NT
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: John Hardman 100023,2532 (X)

Hello John,

 We are glad to hear that you are pleased with the system and the ease of
porting...

 >>However .... at run time there are a few problems, but then NT isn't even
in beta yet so that's not really surprising. The question is, do you want to
hear about problems now or wait until beta starts ?<<

 We have just released the Beta a few weeks ago.  Yours is probably on the
way.  So, we really prefer the latter especially it could be bugs which have
been fixed.

 thanks,
 petrus

#: 16323 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    02-Nov-92  06:15:33
Sb: Porting to NT - MIPS
Fm: John Hardman 100023,2532
To: All

The application that I am developing is designed to be portable across all
supported Windows (3.1, Workgroups and NT) platforms (Intel, MIPs, DEC etc).
In the error checking & reporting layer I use a hardware specific macro to
get the return address off the stack. It currently looks like ...

    #ifdef INTEL_80x86
    #define GetReturnAddress(ReturnSegment, ReturnOffset)  \
        _asm                     \
            {                    \
            _asm mov ax,[bp+2]        \
            _asm mov ReturnOffset,ax  \
            _asm mov dx,[bp+4]        \
            _asm mov ReturnSegment,dx \
            }
    #else
    #define GetReturnAddress(ReturnOffset, ReturnSegment)  \
        { ReturnOffset = 0; ReturnSegment = 0; }
    #endif

As I haven't had the chance to look into MIPs assembler yet can anyone tell
me how to do the same thing for the MIPS R4000 (and if anyone knows also
the other forthcoming NT supported machines such as DEC).

( yes, I realise that flat memory architectures don't have segments )
( - it's only a label ...                                           )

Many thanks in advance,

John Hardman (UK).


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#: 16349 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    02-Nov-92  11:13:05
Sb: #16323-Porting to NT - MIPS
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: John Hardman 100023,2532 (X)

Hello John,

 >>As I haven't had the chance to look into MIPs assembler yet can anyone tell
me how to do the same thing for the MIPS R4000 (and if anyone knows also the
other forthcoming NT supported machines such as DEC).<<

 The return address is stored in the ra register on the R4000.  Only the Load
and Store instructions can reference memory on the R4000.  The SW instruction
is defined as follows (Kane/Heninrich: MIPS RISC Architecture):

 Format:

 SW rt, offset(base)

 Description:

 The 16-bit offset is sign-extended and added to the contents of general
register base to form a virtual address.  The contents of the general regiater
rt are stored at the memory location specified by the effective address.

 Hope this helps,
 petrus



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#: 16444 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    03-Nov-92  05:35:38
Sb: #16349-Porting to NT - MIPS
Fm: John Hardman 100023,2532
To: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355 (X)

Petrus,

Many thanks for your help.

Do you by any chance know how to do the same thing (getting return address) on
NT supported machines other than Intel and MIPs. I am thinking about DEC etc.

Regards,

John Hardman.


There is 1 Reply.

#: 16623 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    04-Nov-92  13:20:47
Sb: #16444-Porting to NT - MIPS
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: John Hardman 100023,2532

Hello John,

No, don't have much information on other CPUs that runs NT like DEC Alpha yet.

petrus

#: 16532 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    03-Nov-92  18:43:04
Sb: Debuggin....
Fm: Mike Ketcham[Mozart] 72417,3344
To: MS Folk...

As I go diving deeper ... I am running into data alignment problems. This
means I need more info on how to deal with this. Where might there be on-line
info as to compiler switches to turn on code printing (ala. -Fc ) so that I
can see structure / data alignment? How do you folks do it? Compile and run?
(I have the october build running on a MIPSpc50) Also, where might I find
general info on the MIPS like there is on CL?  Is this planned for later? (I
have very little docs now, but plan to get whatever might be available in
bookstores).

There is also supposed to be a "MS front end" to the MIPS compiler. Where?
thx -=mike


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#: 16749 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    05-Nov-92  14:15:45
Sb: #16532-Debuggin....
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Mike Ketcham[Mozart] 72417,3344

Mike,

 >>As I go diving deeper ... I am running into data alignment problems. This
means I need more info on how to deal with this. Where might there be on-line
info as to compiler switches to turn on code printing (ala. -Fc ) so that I
can see structure / data alignment? How do you folks do it? Compile and run?
(I have the october build running on a MIPSpc50) Also, where might I find
general info on the MIPS like there is on CL?  Is this planned for later? (I
have very little docs now, but plan to get whatever might be available in
bookstores).

 Use the -S compiler switch.  This switch is for compiling the specified
source programs and leave the symbolic assembly language output in
corresponding files suffixed with '.s'.

 There is no online compiler info at the moment.  We are looking into this.
There are also the two MIPS compiler guides that I know of, the MIPS
RISCompiler and C Programmer's Guide and the MIPS RISCompiler Porting Guide
published by the MIPS Computer Systems.

 >>There is also supposed to be a "MS front end" to the MIPS compiler. Where?

 It is in the /mstools/bin directory, cl.exe.

 thanks, petrus

#: 16764 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    05-Nov-92  15:41:41
Sb: #16532-Debuggin....
Fm: Petrus Wong [Microsoft] 70743,3355
To: Mike Ketcham[Mozart] 72417,3344

Mike,

 >>There is also supposed to be a "MS front end" to the MIPS compiler. Where?
 Correction for the location of this.

 It is on \mstools\bin\msmips directory.

 petrus

#: 16849 S8/CPU-MIPS Specific
    06-Nov-92  14:44:42
Sb: MIPS Link
Fm: Howard Myers 76711,462
To: Microsoft

I'm trying to port our app. to the MIPS platform.  I've ported several small
apps. successfully, but in porting our largest app., I can't link it.  Every
time I try, after all the link commands have been issued, including the list
of files, I very quickly get the following messages:
        LINK() : error 0102: Out of memory
        Extended Error: No such file or directory
        NMAKE : fatal error U1077: ....... I am linking approximately 90 files
that comprise 8.5 MBytes of disk space. These have been converted using
MIP2COFF without the -c option.  Initially, I tried using the -c option with
the same results, but the files ate 22 MBytes, so I tried it without.

I have 32 Meg of RAM, 100 Meg of free disk space, and 90 Meg allocated for the
System Paging File.  Needless to say, I can't understand why I'm running out
of memory!

I'm assuming that the Out of memory error, since it comes first, is the
legitimate error, and that the no such file or directory is a side effect.

I'm supposed to have this up to demo in the Microsoft 3rd party booth at
COMDEX, so admittedly, I'M DESPARATE!

I'm posting this in both the Tools and MIPS sections, because I can't afford
the delay to re-post it if I put it in the wrong place.  (I don't want to
waste your time by having 2 people simultaneously tracking the same problem.
Likewise, please don't drop it, assuming the other section's taking care of
it.)

Thanks!!!!!!




#: 16473 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    03-Nov-92  10:49:35
Sb: Memory Mapped Hardware
Fm: Fred Meyer 71510,2301
To: Sysop (X)

Hi! The Sysop over in WINNT sent me here in the hope that you may be able to
answer our question.  Here goes:

We have built a number of AT bus boards that communicate via memory that is
mapped into the high memory area.  This works with DOS, and also with DOS
extenders, (since, at bottom, they also use DOS).

We are now preparing to build another board. Ultimately, this board will be
part of a system running under WINNT in 32 bit mode.

Here's the question: What happens to High Memory when DOS disappears and we
are dealing with a straight NT kernal that has no 640k limitation.  Will
memory mapped boards still work?  Will NT maintain the old 'high memory'
architecture and address ranges for compatibility?  If not, what is the
officially sanctioned method for communicating with a memory-mapped board
under NT?

Hope you can help.  We haven't been able to find anything in the
documentation.

       --Fred



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#: 16506 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    03-Nov-92  15:51:16
Sb: #16473-Memory Mapped Hardware
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Fred Meyer 71510,2301

Hi Fred,
  I assume by a "memory-mapped" board you mean a 16-bit board which has
  a page frame (typically between the 640-1meg area) and commonly used
  with XT systems?  Some of these boards you can convert to map into
  extended memory.  But, I don't believe there is an officially sanctioned
  method for communicating with these types of boards.
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16588 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    04-Nov-92  10:14:38
Sb: Fatal system error
Fm: Robert Tonsing 70740,3541
To: Sysop (X)

Help! I had Win NT working fine on a 486 machine with 8 meg of memory, in a
NTFS disk partition.  This morning, when I try to boot NT, I get:

*** Fatal System Error: 0x00000071

*** Session manager terminated.

What is error 0x71?  Where can I find error message meanings for future
reference?

Thanx, Robert



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#: 16660 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    04-Nov-92  16:53:39
Sb: #16588-Fatal system error
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Robert Tonsing 70740,3541 (X)

Hi Robert,
  Please post this in Section 3 of forum WINNT.  They are more experienced
  with these issues.  Thanks, Dave

#: 16437 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    02-Nov-92  22:48:57
Sb: Oct NT & DTC3290HD
Fm: Balaji - SynOptics 76330,1047
To: ALL

Hi,
   I am using DTC3290HD EISA SCSI Harddisk Controller. October release of
windows nt doesnot seem to support this card. Is there any work being done in
this area? Till a driver is available, will I be able to install NT over the
network and then boot from the floppy drive? When I tried it, it gives errors
about copying 'setupldr', 'disk1', 'hosts', but copies the other files. What
is special about these files? I guess, if I can get over this problem, then I
should be able to install NT on this system.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

-Balaji ([e-mail](



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#: 16505 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    03-Nov-92  15:38:49
Sb: #16437-Oct NT & DTC3290HD
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Balaji - SynOptics 76330,1047 (X)

Hi Balaji,
  Please post this in Section 3 (Windows NT setup) of Forum WINNT.  They
  are more familiar with these issues.  You should not be able to run NT
  if you have an unsupported hard disk controller.

  >> Is there any work being done in this area?

  You might check with the manufacturers of the card to see if drivers are
  being written.
  Thanks,
  Dave



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#: 16721 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    05-Nov-92  09:56:37
Sb: #16505-Oct NT & DTC3290HD
Fm: Balaji - SynOptics 76330,1047
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

thanks. will post in Section 3 of WINNT. FYI, I WAS ABLE to complete the Text
Portion of Setup, but when it rebooted to run the graphical portion, it
displayed, I/O Initialization error... System Error : 0x00069

-Balaji.

#: 16815 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    06-Nov-92  08:46:24
Sb: Apaptec Trantor & Banyan
Fm: Richard Bono 73060,1573
To: sysop (X)

Hi, I have some support questions.  I need an answer that I can rely on.  If
this is not the proper forum for these questions, please let me know.  If I
have to, I can use our ONLINE account. 1) I need to know if there is a driver
available that will support the Adaptec 6260 and 6360 SCSI chip.  I am told
that drivers that work with the Adaptec 1520 card will work with this.  The
October (340 release does not seem to have support for this (only the
1540/1740 series) Who should I talk to about getting any possible driver, and
being assured that one will be available. 2) I also need information on the
Trantor SCSI adapter card.  Must I contact Trantor on this? 3) We use Banyan
VINES, is there any beta version of something so that we can evaluate this
support? Thanks, Rich

#: 16419 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    02-Nov-92  18:14:22
Sb: DDK
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)


What is the difference between the DDK hard-copy documentation and the SDK
hard-copy documentation?

(In other words, if I've purchased the full-blown SDK w/ hard-copy doc, is it
worth it to order the full-blown DDK doc ?)

Thanks,
                               Alex




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#: 16508 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    03-Nov-92  16:07:10
Sb: #16419-DDK
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

Hi Alex,
  It's your judgement call.  If you order printed docs you get hardcopy of
  the NDIS spec, the DDK API's etc.  All of this is on the CD (you'd have to
  print it out yourself).  Also, you get Mary Hunton's (sp?) Kernel
  Mode Device Driver book (which I don't believe is on the CD). I understand
  this book is like a "Inside Windows NT" book in that it doesn't give you
  details on the API, but more of an explanation of the components, and how
  the system works.

  The SDK printed documentation will give you API specific to the SDK.
  (ie The Programer's Reference, Tools manual, API References, Application
  Design Guide, etc)  I believe everything in the Win32 SDK is given on
  CD.

  The difference between the DDK and the SDK is the content.  The DDK is
  for writing device drivers which interface with hardware and the SDK is
  for writing application programs.

  Let me know if you need more information.

  Thanks,
  Dave



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16756 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    05-Nov-92  15:06:25
Sb: #16508-DDK
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Thanks much David.

About additional info, could you give me pricing on the DDK w/ and w/o printed
doc, and any discount for people buying the SDK and DDK simultaneously?

                               Alex




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#: 16771 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    05-Nov-92  17:05:04
Sb: #16756-DDK
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

Hi Alex,
  There is no discount for buying both.  If pricing is a problem, you might
  consider the CD-Only options.  Personally, I rarely use the hard-printed
  docs for the SDK.  I always have Winhelp running, and just type in
  the API name if I need to see the parameters and descriptions.  Also, all
  the overviews are accessible through winhelp also..
  Thanks,
  Dave

#: 16772 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    05-Nov-92  17:05:12
Sb: #16756-DDK
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

Whoops, pardon me.  I forgot pricing.  The SDK is $69 w/o docs, $399 w/docs.
  The SDK docs include the Programmer's References (which are online),
  C and C++ Manuals (API's online), RPC manual (API's online), Tools Manual
  (Most have online help), Application design guide, and other misc. manuals.


  The Preliminary DDK will be available before the end of November.  The
  cost is as follows:

   DDK CD-ROM only                         $69
   DDK CD-ROM with hard-copy documentation $399

  This pricing includes updates and the final version of the DDK.  The
  documentation will be included on the CD in both Postscript and Write
  format, and all the device driver functions will be documented in Winhelp.

  If you are in the US and currently own the Win32SDK, you will be receiving
  a mailing on the DDK in mid-November which will include 4-page product
  datasheet and an order coupon.  We encourage you to order via this coupon
  since we are unable to keep up with extremely high call volumes the past
  few weeks.  You will receive this coupon in plenty of time before the
  product ships.

  International customers should contact their local MS office for ordering,
  pricing and availibility information.

  One other important change which you should be aware of.  Everyone who
  purchases the hard-copy documentation for the DDK will receive the new
  book "Inside Windows NT" from MS Press.  This book will not be on the
  CD.




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#: 16832 S9/CPU-x86 Specific
    06-Nov-92  11:22:34
Sb: #16772-DDK
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)


Thanks David,

       One more question (since I am $$-sensitive): what is the rule
concerning my reselling a SDK or DDK CD-ROM (without keeping any copies of
course, neither disk nor paper)?

       Say now that I have the October NT SDK, I'd like to sell the July NT
SDK to someone, am I allowed to do that (just like I can resell old books)?

       Thanks,
                               Alex




#: 16346 S10/Porting from OS/2
    02-Nov-92  10:57:42
Sb: #16266-Bitmaps on menus
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: BENJ FAYLE 71151,1603 (X)

Use a static control for ES_READONLY.

yes, I know you have to fiddle with the resource file.  Of all the tools, I am
most embarrassed about resconv.zip.  It is on my list to improve but not at
the top.


#: 16373 S10/Porting from OS/2
    02-Nov-92  14:16:14
Sb: #16266-Bitmaps on menus
Fm: Nancy Cluts - Microsoft 70744,20
To: BENJ FAYLE 71151,1603

Hi Benj.

<<I've got Petzold's here at my side.  I'd already found the method you'd
pointed me to but was looking for a resource file approach.  I like the idea
of having static aspects of my code in resource files and leaving variable
features for runtime.  I should have phrased my question to ask if there was a
resource file method of placing bitmaps in menus.>>

Unfortunately, I have not found a way to do this other than the approach that
Petzold uses.

<<On the topic of resource file conversion: In OS2 you can flag an entry field
as ES_READONLY, is there a comparable feature if Windows, either resource or
runtime?>>

A new flag, ES_READONLY, has been added for Windows 3.1.  Another way to do
this is covered in a Knowledge Base article (which I will append to the end of
this message for you).

<<What does John Hall do and what do you do and who should I direct my
questions towards? >>

John is a developer (the one who wrote the OS/2 to Win porting tools) and I am
with Developer Support.  It is my responsibility to get questions answered in
this forum (It is also my good fortune that John jumps in with answers).

Nancy - Microsoft Win 32 Developer Support

INF: Implementing a Read-Only Edit Control In Windows         [P_WinSDK] ID:
Q80946     CREATED: 20-FEB-1992   MODIFIED: 20-MAY-1992 3.00 3.10 WINDOWS
ENDUSER | softlib ROEDIT 3.x

Summary:

In some situations, an application may contain text that is displayed for the
user to read, which is undesirable for the user to modify. The application can
use a static control to contain this text if the message is short. However,
for larger amounts of text, which require scrolling to display all the text in
the allotted area, something closer to an edit control is required. This
article, and its associated sample code, details how to make an edit control
"readonly."

ROEDIT is a file in the Software/Data Library that demonstrates the techniques
discussed in this article. ROEDIT can be found in the Software/Data Library by
searching on the word ROEDIT, the Q number of

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#: 16375 S10/Porting from OS/2
    02-Nov-92  14:16:29
Sb: #16373-Bitmaps on menus
Fm: Nancy Cluts - Microsoft 70744,20
To: Nancy Cluts - Microsoft 70744,20 (X)

[Continued]

this article, or S13284. ROEDIT was archived using the PKware file-compression
utility.

More Information:

An application can create a read-only edit control by subclassing or
superclassing a standard edit control. The subclass procedure filters out
messages that change the contents of the edit control. The following code
fragment demonstrates this process:

   FARPROC gOldProc;

   LONG FAR PASCAL ROEditProc(HWND hWnd, WORD msg,
                              WORD wParam, LONG lParam)
   {
       switch (msg)
       {
           case WM_KEYUP:
           case WM_KEYDOWN:
           case WM_CHAR:
           case WM_CUT:
           case WM_COPY:
           case WM_PASTE:
           case WM_LBUTTONUP:
           case WM_LBUTTONDOWN:
           case WM_LBUTTONDBLCLK:
               return 1L;

           case WM_GETDLGCODE:
               return 0L;
       }

       return CallWindowProc(gOldProc, hWnd, msg, wParam, lParam);
   } //*** ROEditProc


In the example above, the subclass procedure traps mouse clicks, keystrokes,
and the cut, copy, and paste commands. It also traps the WM_GETDLGCODE message
to prevent an edit control in a dialog box from receiving the input focus.

The following example demonstrates superclassing an edit control to create a
new ROEDIT-class control that behaves similar to a read-only edit control. A
ROEDIT control implements the window procedure provided above. It also changes
the cursor to an arrow instead of an I-beam, which provides an additional
indication to the user that the contents of the control cannot be changed.
Using an ROEDIT control eliminates the necessity of subclassing each control
after it is created. When the application creates a control from the ROEDIT
class, the read-only behavior is provided automatically.

The following code demonstrates superclassing an edit control as described
above:

   FARPROC gOldProc;

   BOOL RegisterROEdit(HANDLE hInstance)
   {
       WNDCLASS wc;

       if (!GetClassInfo(NULL, "EDIT", &wc))
           return FALSE;

       gOldProc = (FARPROC)wc.lpfnWndProc;


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#: 16376 S10/Porting from OS/2
    02-Nov-92  14:16:35
Sb: #16375-Bitmaps on menus
Fm: Nancy Cluts - Microsoft 70744,20
To: Nancy Cluts - Microsoft 70744,20 (X)

[Continued]

       wc.style        &= ~CS_GLOBALCLASS;
       wc.lpfnWndProc   = ROEditProc;
       wc.hInstance     = hInstance;
       wc.hCursor       = LoadCursor(NULL, IDC_ARROW);
       wc.lpszClassName = "ROEDIT";

       return RegisterClass(&wc);

   } //*** RegisterROEdit

In Windows 3.1, there is a new style bit for the edit control (ES_READONLY)
that removes the editing capabilities of the edit control, leaving only the
viewing capabilities. This style is useful when the application shows the user
a body of static text that the user reads and does not modify.

Additional reference words: 3.00 3.10 3.x softlib ROEDIT.ZIP




#: 16757 S11/Porting from Unix
    05-Nov-92  15:06:38
Sb: ISV Dev'pment Lab Unix,X
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

John,

       Thanks for your reply.  I've moved the thread to section 11 as you
requested.

       You didn't mention any experiences on the non-character based side
(i.e. X apps).  Too tragic to mention?  I'm wondering at what stage of porting
can such things be brought to your lab.

       Regards,

                               Alex




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#: 16797 S11/Porting from Unix
    05-Nov-92  20:22:39
Sb: #16757-ISV Dev'pment Lab Unix,X
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

>>       You didn't mention any experiences on the non-character based side
(i.e. X apps).  Too tragic to mention?  I'm wondering at what stage of porting
can such things be brought to your lab.

The vendor with X which came already had a Windows product, so we used that.

The first problem with X would be 'what interface did you use'?
My experience was right on top of XLib, not using any toolkits.

Offhand, I think a UI framework can be redone on Windows very quickly using
various code generation facilities.   The concepts are often parallel -- use
DC's instead of GC's, for example.  The messaging model
is a bit different with plusses and minuses (every window gets its own
proceedure, which is good.  every window gets all messages, which is bad).

Graphics and Fonts just get in and get with it.  Overall, I have a lot of
faith in the ability of Unix ISV's to get the work done once they decide to.


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#: 16833 S11/Porting from Unix
    06-Nov-92  11:22:43
Sb: #16797-ISV Dev'pment Lab Unix,X
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

John,

       OK, thanks for the encouragement.

Everyone out there:

       If anyone else out there is doing/considering an X -> Win32 port, would
you mind sending me an email (either here or [e-mail]) and I'd maintain a
fellow-sufferer list.  We're probably in different vertical markets, so I
don't think sharing some info on the porting experience would hurt any of our
businesses...

       Regards,
                               Alex

#: 16478 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  11:38:27
Sb: Porting from Unix
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: John Richardson 70541,672 (X)

John,

       Are you building the X server yourself, or using a commercial product?
Also, would you (or your company) be willing to license the port of X lib to
NT/Posix to someone else?

       This is a different strategy than the one we've decided on to port our
X app to NT, but it would be well worth our time to try both approaches and
compare...

                               Alex (aka: internet>[e-mail])




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#: 16530 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  18:10:10
Sb: #16478-Porting from Unix
Fm: John Richardson 70541,672
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

I plan on using the Visionware product from leads England. I am running
the Windows 3.x version, and will be getting the WINSOCK interface to
work under NT. (Currently they use either PC-NFS, or PC-IP) They will
not have a native WIN32 version until sometime next year, so if another
one comes along, I will try it. One thing in Visionwares favor is that
they usally get pretty good ratings, and the company I work for allready
licenses the product for Windows 3.x.
As far as the basic Xlib port, I do plan on either doing it myself, or
someone in my development group will do it. I am currently blocked by not
being able to do any kind of IPC communication outside of the POSIX subsystem
that comes with NT. As soon as I can do the IPC, I can then
bounce to a WIN32 or other WINSOCK program that implements the Xserver.

As far as licensing, I work for a large company (Siemens-Nixdorf), and I am
just starting to try to convince management that some of what my group does
should be available to outside companys. I am writing up some proposals for
expanding the scope of co-operation between my group an other 3rd parties and
submitting this to my various bosses. I may get lucky here, due to the need to
'leverage' everything a company does today in this economic environment.

                                                        JR



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#: 16577 S11/Porting from Unix
    04-Nov-92  08:54:52
Sb: #16530-Porting from Unix
Fm: Arthur Kreitman 76060,2677
To: John Richardson 70541,672

>As far as the basic Xlib port, I do plan on either doing it myself, or
>someone in my development group will do it. I am currently blocked by >not
being able to do any kind of IPC communication outside of the >POSIX subsystem
that comes with NT. As soon as I can do the IPC, I >can then bounce to a WIN32
or other WINSOCK program that implements >the Xserver.

  I think that you'll find that the POSIX subsystem is a nonstarter
as far as xlib is concerned.  It unlikley that MS will upgrade
the POSIX subsystem anytime soon. If fact, the "we'll study the
matter" response is their way of saying NFW.

  The real problem with making XLIB (and all its relatives: xt, xaw,
motif widgets...) available under NT is the the behaviour has to
exactly match the expected behaviour.  It's more then just having
a select available.




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#: 16686 S11/Porting from Unix
    04-Nov-92  21:37:12
Sb: #16577-Porting from Unix
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Arthur Kreitman 76060,2677 (X)

>> It unlikley that MS will upgrade the POSIX subsystem anytime soon.
>> If fact, the "we'll study the matter" response is their way of
>> saying NFW.

As a long standing Unoid, I can understand the not of cynicism, but
IMHO it is not warranted.  I'm afraid I can't elaborate.  Time is
not yet full.

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#: 16705 S11/Porting from Unix
    05-Nov-92  05:16:09
Sb: #16686-Porting from Unix
Fm: Arthur Kreitman 76060,2677
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

  Want to do something usefull.  Make fork and links available
in the win32 subsystem.  Then you won't have to worry about posix.

#: 16482 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  12:01:12
Sb: Porting from Unix
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: John Richardson 70541,672 (X)

JR,  Here is the official word I've gotten back regarding the limitations on
posix IPC.

 "The first release of the POSIX SS on Win NT will be limited to IEEE
 1003.1 (FIPS 151-1) support.   This is a big achievement given that
 POSIX was written for UNIX.  However, overall utility of the SS will be
 limited by its lack of IPC with the other subsystems.   Microsoft is
 looking to improve this support in the future, same as it is studying
 evolution of the SS."

One other person suggested the following technique, which you might find
helpful:

 "The simplest IPC that would seem to solve your problem is to start your
 POSIX server app from a Win32 app, and re-direct the stdin/stdout
 handles, giving you two way communication from the Win32 to the POSIX
 part of you app - you could quite simply layer your Xlib-like calls to
 use this two-way channel to talk to the Win32 X-Server."

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16494 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  14:52:05
Sb: #16482-Porting from Unix
Fm: Seattle Lab 71202,560
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

How do you start a POSIX server app from within a win32 app?  I thought that
you couldn't mix environmental subsystems.

        Dennis Krueger
        Seattle Lab

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#: 16526 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  17:34:12
Sb: #16494-Porting from Unix
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Seattle Lab 71202,560 (X)

You can not mix API calls from different subsystems within the same
application.  However, the Win32 API CreateProcess() is able to create a posix
process.  Furthermore, this API includes a parameter which allows the
"spawned" process to inherit the handles of the Win32 app.

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16728 S11/Porting from Unix
    05-Nov-92  11:32:16
Sb: #16526-Porting from Unix
Fm: Seattle Lab 71202,560
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Thanks Steve, We are porting the UniVerse application environment, a PICK-like
operating system, from UNIX to NT and have been examining cross-over
stratagies.  We haven't wanted to go completly to POSIX because that wouldn't
seem to allow us to implement the type of inter-application connectivity that
the NT platform offers.  By starting off from a WIN32 environment and spawning
off specific POSIX functions, it looks like an approach which will allow us to
integrate the best of both worlds.
        We will have more questions in the future.
        Dennis Krueger
        Seattle Lab

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#: 16843 S11/Porting from Unix
    06-Nov-92  14:01:17
Sb: #16728-Porting from Unix
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Seattle Lab 71202,560 (X)

Dennis Krueger,

I just had a meeting with one of the posix developers here.  He pointed out
that there is a limit on the number of posix processes.  It is currently set
to 32, but this can be easily raised if there is proper justification. Do you
think that you'll run into problems with this?  If so, it may be worth your
while to send us a limit which will work for you.  Thanks.

Steve Firebaugh



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#: 16850 S11/Porting from Unix
    06-Nov-92  15:33:29
Sb: #16843-Porting from Unix
Fm: Seattle Lab 71202,560
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

Dear Steve,
        Thanks for your interest and follow-up.  What we are porting could be
viewed as a multi-user business operating system supporting up to 1000 users,
supporting the entire environment over NT. This currently runs over UNIX
supporting each user as a distinct process, say in the range of 1500 processes
upper limit. We are now at the design stage of the port.  One approach is to
attempt a direct port from SCO UNIX to the POSIX standard. Our own environment
sub-system and file system is the other extreme. We are leaning toward a more
NT integrated approach. Your suggestion of a mix of POSIX processing from a
WIN32 shell being the most attractive. Any POSIX approach would appear to
require over 1000 processes unless we were able to run users as threads within
one process, which brings up environmental access and scheduling issues.  And
we haven't raised any peripheral control issues.
        Enough for now,
        Thanks again for your interest and response.
        Dennis Krueger
        Seattle Lab

#: 16509 S11/Porting from Unix
    03-Nov-92  16:19:02
Sb: #16482-Porting from Unix
Fm: Arthur Kreitman 76060,2677
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)


> "The first release of the POSIX SS on Win NT will be limited to IEEE
> 1003.1 (FIPS 151-1) support.   This is a big achievement given that
> POSIX was written for UNIX.  However, overall utility of the SS will

   The posix subsystem cannot be considered a big achievement.
The only hard part was fork, and fork support was a NT kernel
design requirement.  The only big part of the achievement was
believing that they could get away with an implementation that had
that many limitations.




#: 16352 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  11:47:08
Sb: #16251-RPC nesting alls
Fm: Koby 71172,2722
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

Thank you very much, Bruce for the detailed absware. I have to digest it. I am
waiting to the end result.
Koby


#: 16271 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    31-Oct-92  09:01:31
Sb: RPC Callbacks
Fm: Daniel Norton 76050,2204
To: All

I am working with a producer-consumer application whereby the consumer calls
the producer to register itself so that the producer can begin providing
information.  As information becomes available, the producer calls back the
consumer for each item of information.

Unfortunately, it does not seem to me that RPC accounts for this.  The
concept is similar to a callback with the Windows timer.

Instead of RPC here, I plan on providing a handle to something like a named
pipe that the producer will write to, but I'd rather maintain the RPC model,
since it is platform independent.  Once I add named pipes, I become platform
specific and the problem becomes more complicated.

Can anyone see a simpler solution?

Thanks.
--
Daniel


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#: 16355 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  11:59:12
Sb: #16271-RPC Callbacks
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Daniel Norton 76050,2204 (X)

Hi Daniel,
  If the clients are NT machines (or other computers capable of creating
  RPC servers) you could create two RPC servers (both on the producer and
  consumer sides).  However, on Dos and Windows clients, this won't work
  since you cannot create RPC servers on Dos and Windows 3.1 machines at
  this time.

  RPC is capable of passing parameters both to and from a client machine.
  However, this depends that a call is initiated by the client.  You could
  have the client keep checking the server (by calling a remote procedure
  call), and when interesting information is available, the server could
  pass back the information in a parameter.

  Also, if it is possible to narrow down what types of machines you would
  potentially be communicating with, you can consider named pipes, Windows
  Sockets, or netbios.  This isn't as nice as having the platform
  independence that RPC provides, but these mechanisms do provide the
  functionality you seek.

  Hope this helps,
  Dave

#: 16370 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  14:13:04
Sb: #16219-network registry access
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: Andrew Potter 71075,614 (X)

Hi Andrew -

>> ...If LANManager can administer user account information, can
  it be used to manage other user defined information?  For
  example, project_A's design files are located on server_A_proj
  under the /proj_A file system and project_A's database is
  located on server_DB_A_proj under the /proj_A file system.  If
  LANManager cannot do the above example, can the registry provide
  the above information?

LAN Manager for Windows NT has a Replicator service, and can, for
  example, replicate the contents of the directory c:\proj_A on
  machine \\srvr_A_pr to the directory     c:\any_dir\proj_A on the
  machine \\srvDB_A_pr

The Repl server needs to be a LAN Manager for Windows NT machine,
  however the Repl client can be a Windows NT machine, that is,
  need not have the LAN Manager for Windows NT add-on

Subdirectories of a replicated directory are also replicated, that
  is, the entire tree structure is maintained

I threw in the sub-dir name "any_dir" as an example - the point is
  the disk letters on the Repl source and client machines don't
  have to be the same, and neither do the directory paths.  You
  could replicate \\srvr_A_pr 's c:\proj_A to \\srvDB_A_pr 's
  d:\dontcare

Bruce

#: 16276 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    31-Oct-92  09:35:18
Sb: Win16 Netbios problem
Fm: Michael Lynch 76260,1670
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, these are commercial apps, not mine.
Specifically, Attachmate Extra for Windows... and Keyfile (A document
managmemnt app). What is curious is that both seem to be behaving the same
(ie, wait 3 second s and die). I will try removing TCP/IP and seeing if this
is the problem. Can you give me an example of a commercial app that you have
tried that does work, so I can attempt to duplicate this in my environment?
Thanks Mike

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#: 16371 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  14:13:09
Sb: #16276-Win16 Netbios problem
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: Michael Lynch 76260,1670

Hi Mike -

>> ...Unfortunately, these are commercial apps, not mine.
  Specifically, Attachmate Extra for Windows... and Keyfile (A
  document managmemnt app).  What is curious is that both seem to
  be behaving the same (ie, wait 3 second s and die)

I apologize, Mike, I misunderstood - I thought these were your
  apps.  The people most focussed on problems with running
  commercial 16-bit apps on Windows NT are in WINNT/section 4 -
  please check with them there

>> I will try removing TCP/IP and seeing if this is the problem.
  Can you give me an example of a commercial app that you have
  tried that does work, so I can attempt to duplicate this in my
  environment?

I think removing TCP/IP is still worth trying.  Unfortunately I
  don't have an example of an app similar to what you're trying -
  again, please check with the people who focus on this area in
  WINNT/4

Bruce

#: 16390 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  15:55:51
Sb: Re: Win RPC / UNIX RPC
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: gene saunders 72265,23

Hi Gene - I checked with the OSF.  They were't able to narrow the
  list down to only UNIX vendors, but here is the current list of
  vendors shipping DCE:

IBM DEC Siemens Nixdorf HP Groupe Bull SCO NCR SUN (Transarc Corporation)
Stratus Gradient Technologies (MS Windows) USL Hitachi

The OSF mentioned that there are a little over a dozen additional
  companies that are working in the area but haven't yet made
  announcements

Microsoft is of course shipping in the Win32 Preliminary SDK for
  Windows NT the RPC subset of DCE

Bruce

#: 16436 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    02-Nov-92  22:36:52
Sb: RAW IP Support in NT
Fm: Balaji - SynOptics 76330,1047
To: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054 (X)

Dave,
  When I was refering to ICMP, I was asking about having access to the ICMP
HEADER.
  Also, Eventhough WinSock spec doesnot require RAW sockets implemented, is
Microsoft implementing it in NT?. I know that most of the stack vendors who
are working on RAW Sockets for windows already have this in their stacks.

-Balaji

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#: 16725 S12/API-RPC/WinNet
    05-Nov-92  10:46:14
Sb: #16436-RAW IP Support in NT
Fm: David Taniguchi [MS] 72350,2054
To: Balaji - SynOptics 76330,1047

Hi Balaji,
  We are not going to support RAW sockets in product 1.  I am not certain
  how ICMP IP packets will be intercepted.  I'm checking into this.
  Will keep you posted.
  Thanks,
   Dave




#: 16277 S13/Windows NT DDK
    31-Oct-92  10:42:05
Sb: #16238-DDK Rollout
Fm: Marcelo  R Lopez Jr 71221,1353
To: Steve Mastrianni [PSS] 71501,1652 (X)

Steve,

Thank you for making me GREEN(!).  I think my wife and I had OTHER MORE
IMPORTANT matters at hand, and I'm sure it's something I would've enjoyed, but
I wouldn't trade having been the first person to hold my son, for anything in
the World !!  ENVY, ENVY *~*~*~*

Marcelo R. Lopez, JR.
DRV Research, Inc.

PS. Call you at home tonight, cool ?!


#: 16379 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  14:50:36
Sb: Open SCSI w/CreateFile()
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Jim Gill 70530,1771 (X)

Jim,
    I need to retract my last answer.  Miniport drivers can support IOCtls. We
have no sample code that does this, so you will probably be forging new paths
(not actually, it will just seem like it).  Miniport IOCTLs are typically for
driver developers that want to set up special adapter features such as cache
or fault tolerance.

Your Win32 app gets a device handle for the miniport driver by opening the
file :

\\.\\ScsiPortN, where N = 0, 1, ...

Here are a couple of revelvant questions and their answers:

| How can I determine what port my miniport driver gets mapped to?  If I |
have an aha154x and fd8xx in the machine, which is port0 and which is | port1?
Would I have to look in the load order to determine this?

There are a couple ways of doing this. One is to interrogate the registry. The
information is there. The second is to open each port by name and look for
your card.

| What if I opened '\\.\d:' would the right thing happen and would my | ioctl
get routed to the correct port?

Yes it would, assuming that d: happened to map to a partition on a device on
that port. SCSI drivers pass unknown IOCTls down to the next layer.

Hope this helps and sorry for the previous incorrect information,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16382 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  15:20:32
Sb: Device IO control for NT
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Robert Strickler 71160,2462

Robert,
    Get the handle to you miniport driver by opening \\.\ScsiPortN, where N =
0, 1, 2...
    Once you have a handle, use DeviceIoControl in your Win32 app to pass the
IOCtl down to the driver.  See my answer to Msg #16165.

Hope this helps, Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16338 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  10:17:49
Sb: Memory maped IO / Ints
Fm: Fred Schempp 72677,2672
To: All

Can anyone help me find a either example code or a referance that will allow
me to do program memory mapped IO and write a simple interupt service rout We
have scoured the Win32 docs and cant find a referance on accessing PHYSICAL
memory or the handling of INT's. We are told the DDK may help but it wont be
available for a month. I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks



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#: 16416 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  17:59:37
Sb: #16338-Memory maped IO / Ints
Fm: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531
To: Fred Schempp 72677,2672 (X)

Fred,

Q) Can anyone help me find a either example code or a referance that will
allow me to do program memory mapped IO and write a simple interupt service
rout We have scoured the Win32 docs and cant find a referance on accessing
PHYSICAL memory or the handling of INT's. We are told the DDK may help but it
wont be available for a month. I would appreciate any help or suggestions.
Thanks

A) It sounds like you are trying to operate a board of some sort that is
memory mapped, and possibly occupies some ports.  This basically constitutes
the need for  a miniport driver, and you are right, that the DDK provides
examples, and tools to do this.  This DDK is available now, so you don't have
to wait a month.  What is the board you are trying to write code for, a
scanner, fax board or something like that?.  The miniport model will allow you
to map memory, and register asn ISR quite easily, and allow a USER mode
process to interact with it via IOCTL calls.  Please let me know if you would
like more information on this.


Cliff Garrett <MS>

#: 16381 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  14:55:36
Sb: Promiscuous RX Stack?
Fm: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506
To: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326 (X)

Christian,

This is definitly possible. You will have to write an NT device driver that
will communicate with upper edge services provided by NDIS(MacAddAdapter,
MacTransferData ect.)

Brian




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#: 16441 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  03:32:02
Sb: #16381-Promiscuous RX Stack?
Fm: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326
To: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506 (X)

Thanks Brian, I'll get stuck into the coding just as soon as I receive my DDK,
but it sounds like it may take some time.

Christian

#: 16469 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  09:51:38
Sb: NDIS3 & BusMaster DMA
Fm: bruce tanner 100063,1120
To: Brian lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506 (X)

Hi Brian,

These are probably silly questions ...but ... here they are anyway:-

q1. What HAL routines does NdisAllocateSharedMemory() use?

q2. I am working on an NDIS3 driver for a Bus master network card.
    Consequently I am dealing with physical addresses aswell as virtual
    addresses.

    Are there any easy virtToPhys and physTovirt functions?

Thanks.

#: 16471 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  10:36:21
Sb: NDIS3 & Bus master DMA
Fm: bruce tanner 100063,1120
To: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506 (X)


Another question,

I need to be able to read a WORD from an area of memory described by a
physical address.

I was thinking of using NdisReadRegisterUshort() ...but I need the virtual
address of the area, to be able to use this ..... again a physTovirt would be
handy ....

Similarly, if I wanted to write a WORD to an area of memory described by a
physical address ..to use NdisWriteRegisterUshort() I would need a physTovirt.

Can I acheive this functionality without physTovirt in some other way? Or am I
being really silly.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks

#: 16480 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  11:55:26
Sb: Beta/Build.exe error
Fm: Rick Holzer 70760,2473
To: sysop (X)

I just installed the Beta copy of the NT and the SDK.  I also re-installed the
DDK.

As instructed in the installation program, I run "\ddk\buildenv" and then
"build -cef", in my development directory.

Result:
A "BUILD.EXE - Application Error" windows pops up on the screen.
The message in the window is as follows:

        The instruction at "0x0001976e" referenced at "0x61206578".The  memory
could not be "read".

        Click on OK to terminate the application
        Click on CANCEL to debug the application

The DOS windows displays the start of the build session:

        BUILD:  Compile and Link for

(but the text ends there).

This didn't happen before the Beta release.  Did I miss something concerning
the new version's installation?

Help!!
Rick

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#: 16502 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  15:14:49
Sb: #16480-Beta/Build.exe error
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Rick Holzer 70760,2473

Rick,
    Have you,

1 - run \mstools\setenv.bat, or

2 - added \mstools\bin to your path
    set LIB=x:\mstools\lib
    set INCLUDE=x:\mstools\h

Do one or the other (I do #2 from the System applet under Control Panel). Then
execute \ddk\buildenv.

Let me know if that clears up the problem.

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16304 S13/Windows NT DDK
    01-Nov-92  13:50:43
Sb: KD viewing local symbols
Fm: Jim Harford 72350,3705
To: all

Have not gotten a response to my last message.  Here is a repeat:

I need to view local symbols via kernel debugger.  I can see global variables
but setting NTDEBUG=ntsd does not seem to help.  I am using July SDK and DDK.
Can someone at Microsoft help me with this?

                        Thanks in advance!


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#: 16333 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  10:02:22
Sb: #16304-KD viewing local symbols
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Jim Harford 72350,3705

Jim,
   That would be my fault.  I wasn't sure of the answer and with most people
gone to the conference, I wasn't able to get much assistance.  I have sent
email around and should get some help shortly.

Sorry for the inconvenience,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16507 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  16:05:46
Sb: #16304-KD viewing local symbols
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Jim Harford 72350,3705

Jim,
   I just received email from a developer who states that he could never get
it to work for either NTSD or I386KD.  For now, consider it broken and I will
contact the appropriate people with your problem.

Sorry,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16476 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  11:09:14
Sb: DDK update for beta 1
Fm: Muzaffer KAL [MSC] 70324,2553
To: MS

is there  going to be a DDK update to match October beta? If yes,  will it
include more driver sources ? (like a Microsoft serial mouse driver source)

Muzaffer


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#: 16485 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  12:11:23
Sb: #16476-DDK update for beta 1
Fm: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531
To: Muzaffer KAL [MSC] 70324,2553 (X)

Muzaffer

/is there  going to be a DDK update to match October beta? If yes,  will it
/include more driver sources ? (like a Microsoft serial mouse driver source)
Yes there will be a new DDK.  This will have more sources as well.  The
sermouse is one of them, but there is also video.  This should be release
within the next week.

cliff






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#: 16511 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  16:28:26
Sb: #16485-DDK update for beta 1
Fm: Muzaffer KAL [MSC] 70324,2553
To: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531 (X)

great, thanks for the info.

Muzaffer

#: 16571 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  05:53:12
Sb: NdisAllocateSharedMemory
Fm: bruce tanner 100063,1120
To: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506 (X)


Hi,

I want to allocate some memory for use with a BusMaster DMA card. From the
looks of it I need to use NdisAllocateSharedMemory().

However, my card can only address upto 16M. So my question is whether Ill be
ok allocating buffer space using NdisAllocateSharedMemory().

Thanks.



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#: 16633 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  13:46:40
Sb: #16571-NdisAllocateSharedMemory
Fm: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506
To: bruce tanner 100063,1120 (X)

Bruce,

NdisAllocateSharedMemory() is the service that you will want to use. The
system will take care of making sure that the memory is accessable.

In answer to your earlier questions, NdisAllocateSharedMemory more or less
translates to HalAllocateCommonBufer().

There is no service to specifically convert from a physical address to a
virtual address, but NdisAllocateShared memory returns both a virtual address
and a physical address. NdisStartBufferMapping can be used to get the physical
address of a buffer to pass to your busmaster card. You can also use
NdissGetBufferPhysicalAddres().

Brian

#: 16715 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  08:29:35
Sb: NT - PCL Native Driver
Fm: Giri Sithamraju 73157,3306
To: Dave Snipp

The final version of Windows NT DDK when released, will it contains any code
examples to write a native mode driver for PCL5/PCL4 printer. Are we limitied
to always use the minidrivers with some sort of filter procedures with the
Print Processors.  These filter processors may add the performance
enhancements that are unique to our printer hardware. Please advice me how one
should prepare for the development of PCL printer drivers for NT.

Thank You Giri

#: 16638 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  14:27:32
Sb: Unique Number Allocation
Fm: Michael Hall 72607,3422
To: Paul Sanders [MS] 72350,2053 (X)

Paul,

   The class/port driver pair that we are writing doesn't fit into the
   set of standard devices, so the predefined Device Type values (used when
   calling IoCreateDevice) won't work for us.  After talking with Bob
   Taniguchi, Keith Kegley, and several developers, the general feeling was
   that Microsoft would be (hopefully soon) providing some method of
   requesting a Device Type value.  This would probably work like the
   Windows 3.1 VxD ID number allocation.  A similar method of allocating
   numbers will also be needed for Public Device I/O Control values.

   I'm sure several of the (MS) people we talked with a the DDK conference
   are working on setting up these mechanisms, but I wanted to send in a
   note saying "YES, this is very important" and "please setup something
   soon."  For our in-house development and testing we can choose any
   numbers for the Device Type values and Public Device I/O Control values
   that we need.  However, when we start sending our drivers out for beta
   testing, I really would like to have our own, unique numbers for these
   values.

   I just wanted to emphasize this need.  Thanks for listening.
    Mike

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#: 16718 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  09:17:31
Sb: #16638-Unique Number Allocation
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Michael Hall 72607,3422 (X)

Mike,
   I am forwarding your mail on to appropriate groups who are interested in
your concerns.  If I receive any feedbac, I will pass it on to you.

Thank you for your comments,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16735 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  12:24:57
Sb: Ndis 3.0 and DMA
Fm: Brian Lieuallen [MS] 76300,2506
To: Christian Thrysoe 100022,1401 (X)

Christian,

In order to setup busmaster ISA card with NDIS you need to set the Master
element of the AdapterInformation structure to TRUE. You should also specify
the channel number that you will be using. The AdapterInformation structure is
then passed to NdisRegisterAdapter().

You should not call NdisAllocateDmaChannel.

Brian

#: 16345 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  10:56:21
Sb: WinNT multitasking
Fm: Harry Burnette 75140,210
To: sysop (X)

I am curious about the capabilities of WinNT to multitask DOS applications.
For example, will I be able to back up to tape using CPBackup for DOS while
simultaneously formatting a diskette, communicating on CompuServe and running
Norton Speed Disk?  (Just curious; don't know if I'd be crazy enough to really
try this!!)

Thanks,
Dave
P.S. If this question belongs in a different section or forum, please let me
know.

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#: 16398 S13/Windows NT DDK
    02-Nov-92  16:01:00
Sb: #16345-WinNT multitasking
Fm: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531
To: Harry Burnette 75140,210 (X)

Harry,

NT Will multitask MS-DOS apps great.  I typically use 4dos in one command
prompt, while running TAPCIS in another, and I can also format a floppy at the
same time, albeit in an NT prompt.  As far as the CPBackup, I haven't tried
this.

Cliff Garrett <MS>




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#: 16515 S13/Windows NT DDK
    03-Nov-92  16:46:40
Sb: #16398-WinNT multitasking
Fm: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222
To: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531 (X)

Cliff,

> NT Will multitask MS-DOS apps great.  I typically use 4dos in one command
> prompt, while running TAPCIS in another

I have run TAPCIS in a DOS VM, but had a bad problem w/ dropped chars
@9600 baud when posting messages composed offline. Any advice on PIF
settings that will allow this setup to work more reliably would be greatly
appreciated.

        -- Jeff



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#: 16740 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  12:49:51
Sb: #16515-WinNT multitasking
Fm: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531
To: Jeff Thomson 71460,3222 (X)

I do not use any PIF settings.  sorry.

cliff

#: 16568 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  05:23:38
Sb: NTSD with display driver
Fm: ray shapiro 71431,1450
To: sysop (X)

Hi,

When I was out in Anaheim, I asked about using NTSD to debug
display drivers.  The answer was "yes", but the magic incantaions
went by a bit fast.  Could someone please post the rules for
invoking NTSD to debug display drivers.

(I accidentally posted this to the non-tech forum a couple of days
ago.)

Thanks,
Ray


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#: 16755 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  14:48:32
Sb: #16568-NTSD with display driver
Fm: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531
To: ray shapiro 71431,1450 (X)

Ray,

/When I was out in Anaheim, I asked about using NTSD to debug /display
drivers.  The answer was "yes", but the magic incantaions /went by a bit fast.
Could someone please post the rules for /invoking NTSD to debug display
drivers. I don't know in what detail you expect to debug your display driver
with NTSD.  I would urge you now to use i386KD.  You can trace into the detail
of what your BitBlt is going to do, ect..  Is the reason you are asking
because you do not want to use two machines??

Please let me know what the intention is here.

Thanks,
       Cliff Garrett





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#: 16765 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  15:57:03
Sb: #16755-NTSD with display driver
Fm: ray shapiro 71431,1450
To: Cliff Garrett 76702,1531 (X)

There are several reasons why I want to use NTSD.  One reason
is because NTSD is a symbolc debugger which let's you see
your code.  Another reason is because it would be possible to
do some debugging on a single machine, but I would like to
use NTSD on a separate machine, also.

Apparently, Jeff Newman and some of the other display Microsoft driver
developers do this, and think it is useful.  Jeff and others
outlined a few ways in which NTSD could be used... one involved
loading a secondary display driver and the other was using
the kernal debugger to set a breakpoint in the display driver and having NTSD
do it's thing while the driver was initializing.

I'm writing a driver in C.  The kernal debugger is not really all
that helpful for the work I'm doing.  It seems to be standard paractice other
there is Redmond!

Thanks,

Ray

#: 16816 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  09:15:42
Sb: NT Run-Time Functions
Fm: Peter G. Johansson 71023,557
To: SYSOP (X)

Where can I find the include file that has function prototype definitions for
such things as RtlZeroMemory, RtlMoveMemory, etc?  There used to be a file on
either the SDK or the DDK called "ntrtl.h", but I cannot locate this on either
October release CD-ROM.

Have these been moved to a new include file?  If not, why are they absent from
the SDK/DDK?

#: 16817 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  09:35:13
Sb: Problem with XGA
Fm: Randy Threewits 71005,1373
To: sysop (X)


There seems to be a problem running DOS apps when an XGA adapter exists. I
installed NT (Oct release) on an IBM Model 80 (16 Meg Ram, 25 MHz) with a
standard VGA monitor and everything worked fine.  I then added an XGA-2 card
in the system within DOS and everthing worked fine with both monitors and
adapters.

In NT I did NOT change the setup to indicate a new adapter.  I still wanted to
use the VGA as the monitor since the VGA driver appears to be more complete.
I did not have a monitor attached to the XGA-2 adapter.  So essentially my
setup was VGA on planar, XGA-2 card and an 8513 monitor on the VGA.  When I
try to run 16-bit DOS application [ex. printf("Hello world") ] I get the
following error:
  Title bar: NTVDM.EXE - Application Error
  Message:  The instruction at "0x60615947" referenced memory at "0x30180700".
The memory could not be "written".
   OK-terminate, Cancel to debug.

This is essentially the same thing that occurred when I installed NT with the
XGA-2 as the adapter to use.   If I remove the card, HelloWorld works fine.
It almost looks like NT is using the XGA driver when doing DOS virtualization.

Is there some way that I can copy and rename drivers so that I use VGA on NT
but XGA on DOS and OS/2?  Removing the card is a non-desirable option.

Thanks

#: 16820 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  10:38:46
Sb: File Systems...
Fm: Mike Shappell 70007,5116
To: MS Support

I noticed that information necessary to create a new file system is not
included in the DDK (not that I am surprised given the closed nature of the
system).  I was wondering where I can get this information.  I am currently
working on a project that will require writing a new IFS for NT.  Thanks in
advance for any information you can provide.

Mike Shappell
Intuitive Software Systems, Inc.

#: 16320 S13/Windows NT DDK
    01-Nov-92  20:18:38
Sb: Postscript viewer ? ? ?
Fm: Jim U'Ren 72371,1235
To: sysop (X)

I am looking for a Postscript viewer for the NT docs on the Beta CD-ROM. The
file directory indicates a PSVIEW.ZIP file has be uploaded but it does not
appear to be available in the Forum.

Would appreciate any help you can avail.

Jim



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#: 16717 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  08:50:02
Sb: #16320-Postscript viewer ? ? ?
Fm: Stu Wiley 70473,1351
To: Jim U'Ren 72371,1235

Jim,

Microsoft doesn't produce a postscript viewer, so anything you find will be
third party.  Apparently WIX has one on their BBS, and there is another called
Ghostscript floarting around up here.  I suggest you ask ALL in the WINNT
forum section 1, that way you can get some suggestions. I am not aware that
one has been loaded to the libraries, but lib 1 in WINNT is your best bet.

The October WIN32SDK release has docs in Windows Write File Format as well, so
you can view through compatible word processors and desktop publishing
software.  The Windows Viewer that comes on teh MSDN reliminary CD-Rom is the
best Microsoft solution for viewing the references contained on the WIN32SDK
CD.
 Stu Wiley
 Developer Service Team



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#: 16791 S13/Windows NT DDK
    05-Nov-92  19:27:06
Sb: #16717-Postscript viewer ? ? ?
Fm: Jim Gill 70530,1771
To: Stu Wiley 70473,1351 (X)

Stu,

Apart from the viewer question, are there docs on the October DDK disk?  The
release notes imply it (I *think*) but I don't see anything that looks like
docs.

Apologies in advance if I've stupidly overlooked them (that is, once you tell
me where they are).



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#: 16831 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  11:15:30
Sb: #16791-Postscript viewer ? ? ?
Fm: Dwight Matheny/Microsoft 70750,2340
To: Jim Gill 70530,1771 (X)

I'm assuming you got the DDK CD at the conference. There are no docs on this
CD- they weren't done in time. All attendees to the Anaheim conference will
get a new CD (with the docs in PS and .WRI) and a set of printed docs.

-Dwight (MS)

#: 16842 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  13:58:40
Sb: NDIS Protocol Stack Info
Fm: Joe Erickson 71360,466
To: All

I am interested in creating a protocol stack for Windows NT and would like to
know where to get more info on doing so.

I have the SDK and DDK, but they do not provide a lot of help on the subject.
What would really be nice is an example protocol stack (built on NDIS 3.0 of
course).

Any help will be greatly appreciated!

#: 16604 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  11:07:39
Sb: 3rd Party SCSI H/A's
Fm: Cameron T. Brett (UltraS 72370,1130
To: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053 (X)

To Sysop or SCSI Miniport Specialist:

We are trying to install a third party SCSI host adapter that is not i not
included in the boot disk of the October BETA release.  We have spoken to some
engineers at the porting lab and obtained some instructions for doing this.

Is there any other documents available detailing installing a SCSI host
adapter that is not included on the boot disk??

Thanks in advance for you help.

Sincerely, Cameron T. Brett

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#: 16856 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  16:07:46
Sb: #16604-3rd Party SCSI H/A's
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Cameron T. Brett (UltraS 72370,1130

Cameron,

Did this get resolved for you?  I understand Lee Fisher provided UltraStor
with a method for doing this.  If not, let me know.

Thanks,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16618 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  12:43:02
Sb: net start/stop <driver>
Fm: Michael Hall 72607,3422
To: Paul Sanders 72350,2053 (X)

Paul Sanders:

I am writing an NT device driver and would like to be able to dynamically
load and unload it using "net start <drivername>" and "net stop <drivername>".
If <drivername> is a monolithic device driver then the driver successfully
loads and unloads.  Unfortunately, my device driver is layered.

My class driver successfully unloads but I am unable to reload it.  This is
the error that it gives me the first time:

     System error 5 has occurred.
     Access Denied.

This is the error that it gives me every other time:

     System error 2 has occurred.
     The system cannot find the file specified.

The information printed out by my class driver indicates that it was unable
to get the port device driver object.  I believe that this is because when
the class driver is unloaded, I don't undo the effect of the
IoGetDeviceObjectPointer() call that my class driver's DriverEntry() uses
to establish a connection to my port driver.

If I try to unload my port driver then the system seems to go through some
timeout period and then claims that it has unloaded my port driver:

     The BRUTUS service is stopping......
     The BRUTUS service was successfully stopped.

However, the port driver's unload routine is never called and when I
subsequently try to load my port driver I get the following error:

     The requested service has already been started.
     More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 2182.

I believe that the port driver is never really unloaded, but the net
program incorrectly reports that it was.  I also believe that the reason
that the port driver is unable to unload is because it thinks that it is
still being used because the class driver was unable to undo the effect of
its IoGetDeviceObjectPointer() call.

Please help me understand what is going wrong and explain how I can fix it.

Thanks for your time,

Clay Bean.

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#: 16862 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  16:24:09
Sb: #16618-net start/stop <driver>
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Michael Hall 72607,3422

Clay,
   I'm not really sure of an immediate answer for you.  We'll probably have to
go through a few iterations here to solve it.
   My first couple of questions are probably off the wall, but they're a
start.
   #1 (shot in the dark) - log on as Administrator and retry loading and
unloading.  It might be related to access rights (but I doubt it).

   #2 find a few strategic points to break into the kernel debugger.  Once in
type : !drivers

This will display all device drivers that are loaded plus their memory
information.

In the meantime, I will continue to research for you.  If you get any
pertinent information, please let me know.

Thanks,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16586 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  09:52:11
Sb: subsystems and pipes/LPC
Fm: Enzo Piombo 100064,2756
To: ALL

Hello,
        I need to find a way to pass data from programs running in any
subsystem (OS/2, Posix, Dos, WOW, Win32) to a single program running in the
Win32 subsystem and viceversa.
        Do anyone have any idea about which are the possible ways: I read that
LPC is used internally by the system, is it usable by any program in any
subsystem ? How ?
        Can named pipes do the job ? What about performances ?
        I've a further constraint: I need to produce asynchronous
(unsolicited) notifications from the Win32 program to the programs running in
the various subsystems. The effect of the notifications should be the call of
a postroutine for DOS programs and the Post of a Windows message for WOW
programs.

        If there is not any standard feature of this kind, can a driver
implement these functionalities ?

        Every suggestion will be greatly appreciated.



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#: 16863 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  16:24:13
Sb: #16586-subsystems and pipes/LPC
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Enzo Piombo 100064,2756

Enzo,
   I don't think you'll want to use a device driver for this.  I don't know
the answer.  Try reposting this question in some of the other sections of
MSWIN32.

Thanks,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft

#: 16637 S13/Windows NT DDK
    04-Nov-92  14:27:25
Sb: Fail an Associated IRP?
Fm: Michael Hall 72607,3422
To: Paul Sanders [MS] 72350,2053 (X)

Paul,
  The DDK conference was very informative.  I found out the answer to my
  "Dos copy command" question.  Darryl wasn't sure why it failed in the
  July release, but it works correctly in the Oct release.

  We talked to Darryl about using Associated IRPs when sending IRPs from our
  class driver to our port driver.  Associated IRPs have the benefit of the
  I/O Manager automatically completing the Master IRP when all of the
  Associated IRPs are completed by our port driver.  My questions is: what
  happens when the port driver fails (completes with an error status) one of
  the Associated IRPs.  Since the remaining Associated IRPs will be in the
  port driver's IRP queue, how will my port driver know to ignore those
  IRPs?  The class driver might send three Associated IRPs to the port
  driver.  If the first one fails, I don't want the port driver to act upon
  the other two IRPs.  Will the I/O Manager cancel the remaining
  Associated IRPs or will my port driver need to "know" that it just failed
  an Associated IRP so it needs to remove the remaining Associated IRPs from
  the queue (and complete them with an error status) before proceeding with
  the next IRP?  It seems like the I/O Manager should take care of this for
  me.  Having my port driver "know" to ignore some number of IRPs after
  failing one seems a little dangerous.

  Thanks,
    Mike



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#: 16864 S13/Windows NT DDK
    06-Nov-92  16:24:19
Sb: #16637-Fail an Associated IRP?
Fm: Paul Sanders [Microsoft] 72350,2053
To: Michael Hall 72607,3422

Mike,
   Nothing is done to track Associated IRPs and deal with them.  This is
because it would be a massive undertaking to try and anticipate all possible
failure modes and deal with each of them.  Unfortunately, this is the cost of
Associated IRPs.  It's up to you, the driver writer, to deal with each failure
appropriately.  It might be simpler to use multiple IRPs and handle them
yourself.

Thanks,

Paul Sanders, Microsoft




#: 16295 S14/Win32s Specific
    01-Nov-92  09:35:44
Sb: #16231-Win32 Applications in Wi
Fm: Bill Pytlovany 70642,2122
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

>>It would really help if you try running your apps...

After re-reading, I wanted to be sure you understood that I'm not talking
about my apps.  I'm trying to run other applications like those shipping with
Windows NT.(ie Clock, Calendar, the new WIn32 Help etc...)

I would have thought they would work ok with Win32s, perhaps I'm jumping ahead
too soon.  I'll let you know if I have problems with the app I'm doing.

Thanks!
Bill Pytlovany


#: 16357 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  12:13:27
Sb: #16223-win32s octrel outofmem
Fm: Mark Kumler 70404,261
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

Lee:
  Thanks I will give that a try. Mark

#: 16366 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  14:09:27
Sb: WIN32s
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Eric M. Guli 70272,3627 (X)

Do you get these error messages during the install, or after install and once
you have rebooted?  Do you have a kernel debugger for your Windows 3.1 machine
set up?

Lee

#: 16367 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  14:09:32
Sb: INSTALL PROBLEM
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Steve Woolley 75570,1620 (X)

Have you tried making a fresh floppy and re-installing? (2) Can you try
installing on a non-stac'd partition?

Thanks,

Lee

#: 16406 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  16:35:04
Sb: #16248-Unhandled exception
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Robert Zeff 70323,1251 (X)

>>>I am using the debugger, but can't figure out where the problem is.
   Any hints would be appreciated.

Which Win32sDebug flags have you set in system.ini?  You may want to set the
verbose bit, as documented on Pages 19 & 20 of the Win32s Programmer's
Reference.  The SEH Info bit may also be of use.

Lee

#: 16284 S14/Win32s Specific
    31-Oct-92  17:41:56
Sb: MFC / DLL
Fm: Jim Conger 73220,324
To: ALL

I'm having trouble converting a DLL based on the MFC classes from Windows 3.1
to Windows NT.  Although both the DLL and EXE compile fine, the linker can't
find the exported function from the DLL.  I'm using the following linker
command line to create the DLL and export library:

  coff -link -DLL -base:0x1C000000 \
  -subsystem:windows -entry:WinMainCRTStartup -machine:i386 \
  -out:MYDLL.dll MYDLL.obj nafxcw.lib libc.lib ntdll.lib \
  winspool.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib comdlg32.lib \
  version.lib

  lib -out:MYDLL.lib -def:MYDLL.def -machine:i386

(I'm suspicious that the entry point should be something other than
WinMainCRTStartup.  I tried LibMain, but that resulted in an unresolved
external.)

The real problem surfaces when I try to link the EXE that uses the DLL.  The
linker does not find the exported function in MYDLL.LIB.  Here is the linker
call for the EXE:

  coff -link -subsystem:windows -entry:WinMainCRTStartup \
  -out:MYEXE.exe MYEXE.obj nafxcw.lib libc.lib ntdll.lib \
  winspool.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib comdlg32.lib \
  version.lib MYDLL.lib

I verified that the MYDLL.lib export library exists and contains the correct
name for the exported function (declared _extern "C" to avoid name mangling).
Clearly the linker is not finding that exported function name, but I cannot
figure out why.  Any ideas?

Jim Conger

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#: 16330 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  09:17:22
Sb: #16284-MFC / DLL
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Jim Conger 73220,324 (X)

(1) this question belongs in Section 7 (Tools-Microsoft).  Please direct any
followup to there.

(2) It appears that you are calling LIB incorectly - you must specify all of
the .OBJ files on the LIB command line. This is a common problem.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support



There is 1 Reply.

#: 16425 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  19:11:06
Sb: #16330-MFC / DLL
Fm: Jim Conger 73220,324
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

OK, I'll send to the request to section 7 - thanks.

#: 16283 S14/Win32s Specific
    31-Oct-92  16:42:21
Sb: WM_SETHANDLE
Fm: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521
To: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742 (X)

        My NT editor has a problem when running on 3.1 using Win32s.
It will load the file, but it doesn't show in the edit window. Same for save.
It will save a file of 0 bytes. Seems to be a problem with the WM_SETHANDLE
and WM_GETHANDLE messages or memory.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16404 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  16:34:54
Sb: #16283-WM_SETHANDLE
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521 (X)

>>>My NT editor has a problem when running on 3.1 using Win32s.  It will
   load the file, but it doesn't show in the edit window. Same for save.
   It will save a file of 0 bytes. Seems to be a problem with the
   WM_SETHANDLE and WM_GETHANDLE messages or memory.

Page 12 of the Win32s Programmer's Reference clearly states that WM_SETHANDLE
and WM_GETHANDLE are not supported.

Lee





There is 1 Reply.

#: 16440 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  01:56:08
Sb: #16404-WM_SETHANDLE
Fm: KENNETH R SCHROCK 70621,1521
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

        I keep saying I'm going to read things before I start. <g>
            Thanks.

#: 16470 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  09:53:26
Sb: Unverisal Thunk
Fm: Craig S. Ellis 70444,50
To: ALL

To All,
   In the back of the October WIN32 release notes was a proposal for a
universal Thunk (UT).  I would just like to take this time out to agree with
this proposal and would very much welcome this enhancement in the next release
of Win32s.
   In short, I believe the UT will provide developer's a bridge to more to the
32 bit API without being tied down by the device driver suppler's time
schedule.
   When does Microsoft plan to make UTs available to the public?

Craig S. Ellis Reuters Information Technology

#: 16443 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  04:56:57
Sb: WINDOWS NT AND NEC-CD
Fm: RICHARD VEZINA 75140,1243
To: SysOp (X)

Problem installing NT, i have a NEC CD-ROM model CDR-74 with a NEC SCSI
controller, unfortunately NT does not recognize the NEC SCSI.

Is there a way to make it work or do I have to find a supported SCSI
controller ?

Thanks.

Richard

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16456 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  09:00:54
Sb: #16443-WINDOWS NT AND NEC-CD
Fm: John Oellrich [AT&T] 72611,1452
To: RICHARD VEZINA 75140,1243 (X)

Richard,

The NEC host adaptor (which is a Trantor unit) is not supported by this NT
release (Trantor is working on updating their driver). Presuminng your setup
works under DOS, you can install NT. Boot DOS, log in to the CD drive. CD in
to the i386 directory and execute WINNT.EXE. Or of course you can buy a
supported host adaptor.

John

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16472 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  10:41:16
Sb: #16456-WINDOWS NT AND NEC-CD
Fm: RICHARD VEZINA 75140,1243
To: John Oellrich [AT&T] 72611,1452 (X)

Thank you John for the info, i'll give it a try.

Thanks

Richard

#: 16315 S14/Win32s Specific
    01-Nov-92  17:25:50
Sb: #16202-Win32s fails
Fm: Mark Gibbons 76216,1032
To: Robert Zeff 70323,1251 (X)

       There's a workshop on Windows for Workgroups tomorrow that conflicts
with major (read mandatory) staff meeting at my place of employment. It will
be going on less than one hundred yards from me! What exactly is Windows for
Workgroups, and where can I find out more? (And WfW has meant Word for Windows
to a lot of people up to now).
                       Thanks,     Mark



There are 2 Replies.

#: 16316 S14/Win32s Specific
    01-Nov-92  17:38:43
Sb: #16315-Win32s fails
Fm: Robert Zeff 70323,1251
To: Mark Gibbons 76216,1032 (X)

WFW is a networking version of Win3.1, but with Email, network DDE,
scheduling, + much more. -Robert

#: 16563 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  02:23:50
Sb: #16315-Win32s fails
Fm: Andreas Klein 100063,1637
To: Mark Gibbons 76216,1032 (X)

Windows for Workgroups is Windows 3.1 plus peer networking capabilities (you
don't need a "big" server) featuring directory and printer sharing (and using)
as well as clipboard sharing and Network DDE. For more information you may
want to contact your dealer. He should have a overview sheet fot this product.

>> (And WfW has meant Word for Windows to a lot of people up to now).<<

No, that's W4W <g>.

ciao,
   Andreas

#: 16564 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  02:27:06
Sb: #16202-Win32s fails
Fm: Andreas Klein 100063,1637
To: Robert Zeff 70323,1251 (X)

No Robert unfortunately there will some problems persist when you try to use
RC2. If you already checked that Win32s _installed_ ok and the device= line is
in system.ini you can only try to disable the Server VxD's and try out if
Win32s then runs ok.

Otherwise I think you're out of luck for now. Sorry.

ciao,
   Andreas

#: 16407 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  16:35:09
Sb: Win32s - C7 link problem
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Eric V. Smith 70621,3367 (X)

I am looking into this.  I take it that this happens every time you run the C7
link?

Lee




There is 1 Reply.

#: 16430 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  19:56:05
Sb: #16407-Win32s - C7 link problem
Fm: Eric V. Smith 70621,3367
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

Lee,

Yes, this happens every time I run C7's link.

Eric.

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#: 16612 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  11:29:45
Sb: #16430-Win32s - C7 link problem
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Eric V. Smith 70621,3367

Thanks for the bug report.  The problem has been reproduced here (sorry for
the delay, but those of us who are supporting Win32 tend to have Win32
development tools installed and not C7) and our developers are looking into
the problem.  As I get more information on possible fixes, etc. I will post
them here.

Lee

#: 16405 S14/Win32s Specific
    02-Nov-92  16:34:59
Sb: #16259-Win32s: Exception ?
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Robert Zeff 70323,1251 (X)

>>>Also, I can get the same message (Different IP, of course) with
   freecell if I select "select game" twice.

I am looking into this.  Thanks.

>>>Another question:  Should a console program work with Win32s?

Since Windows 3.1 does not have a Console API for Windows Apps, no, Win32s
does not currently support this.

Lee




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#: 16619 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  13:14:36
Sb: #16405-Win32s: Exception ?
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

To: Everyone who has been having problems with Unhandled Kernel mode
exceptions in Win32s.

We have identified the problem and we are currently internally testing a fix
to this problem.  We hope to be able to make this fix available in the near
future (the problem is that try/except has problems in Win32s in the October
Release).  I do not have an exact timetable available at this time.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16634 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  14:08:47
Sb: Win32s Doc Errors
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Al Longyear 70165,725

>>>1. On page 7, it states "* Win32 applications see a flat 32-bit
   address space (CS == DS == SS == ES)". This is technically
   impossible for the 80386/80486 processor. The CS register
   can *NOT* be the same as the DS/SS/ES/FS/GS registers. The CS must
   be loaded with a segement of type "code" while the "DS/SS, etc"
   register must be loaded with segments of type "data". (They may
   have the same limits and base addresses and would threfore have the
   the same phyical byte location at the same offset. But they can
   *NOT* be identical.)

Good point.  I have raised a bug against the documentation to try to make this
as clear, yet accurate, as possible.

>>>2. On page 15, it states "* Local variables (stack variables) are
   faster to pass by reference between the Win32 applciation and the
   system". Faster than what? Is it faster than a GlobalAlloc'ed
   variable? Is it faster than a Win16 stack variable?

My understanding is that because Win32s must convert between the flat address
space of the Win32 app and the segmented addess space of Windows 3.1, there is
an overhead associated with this.  I believe the reason local variables are
faster is that this conversion has already been done for the stack and so less
overhead is required.  Memory space GlobalAlloc's by a Win32 application under
Win32s would need to have the tiled selectors set up in order to be passed to
any 16 bit app (or any 16 bit portion of the Operating System.)  I am gettting
more information on this.

Thanks for the feedback (and the interesting questions.)

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16493 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  14:52:03
Sb: Installation Crash
Fm: Sandy Bernstein 72477,1132
To: Dwight Matheny

I am having trouble installing Windows NT.  During installation, I get the
following message before my computer crashes:

Microsoft Windows NT - Beta October 1992 [16064 Kb Available Memory] *** Fatal
System Error: 0x00000069 *** Phase 1 I/O Initialization Failed Kernel Debugger
using Com2

What does this mean?  How do I fix the problem?

I am also getting a message about a problem with my EISA motherboard. AMI told
me to download 2 files from their BBS: !AMI16B1.CFG & !AMI28A1.CFG. Where
should I put them?  Is there anything I need to do to get Windows NT to
recognize them?

Thanks for your help.

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16644 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  15:55:59
Sb: #16493-Installation Crash
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Sandy Bernstein 72477,1132 (X)

>>>I am having trouble installing Windows NT.  During installation, I
   get the following message before my computer crashes:

Error 0x69 - you have an unsupported disk controller, or your partitions are
confusing Windows NT.  For more assistance please go to the WINNT forum,
section 3 (Windows NT Setup).

The .CFG files are just EISA config files - once you install them using the
EISA config program that came with your machine you should be OK.  If your
EISA problem is that EISA memory and ISA memory do not match, then you need to
run your EISA config program to update your memory settings, and run your BIOS
setup to update the memory settings there.  Again, please post any followup to
WINT Section 3.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16566 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  03:44:11
Sb: CD ROM Compatibility
Fm: Douglas Badin 71332,1573
To: SYSOP (X)

I am interested in buying TEXEL's CD ROM model DM3024 with a Trantor T130. Is
this going to be added to the NT Hardware Compatibility List soon?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16645 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  15:56:03
Sb: #16566-CD ROM Compatibility
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Douglas Badin 71332,1573 (X)

>>>I am interested in buying TEXEL's CD ROM model DM3024 with a
   Trantor T130. Is this going to be added to the NT Hardware
   Compatibility List soon?

Questions about Hardware Support and the HCL belong in the WINNT forum,
Section 8, H/W Compatibility.  You should also contact the Hardware vendor for
information.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16630 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  13:40:41
Sb: CD-ROM Compatibility
Fm: Craig Salyers 70643,23
To: SYSOP (X)

I have a Sony CDU6205-10 CD-ROM.  Is this going to be added to the Hardware
Compatibility List in the near (or distant) furture?

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16646 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  15:56:09
Sb: #16630-CD-ROM Compatibility
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Craig Salyers 70643,23

>>>I have a Sony CDU6205-10 CD-ROM.  Is this going to be added to the
   Hardware Compatibility List in the near (or distant) furture?

I don't know.  If it's SCSI, maybe - ask in WINNT Section 8 (I deal with
Win32s here, not hardware - I don't know why I'm getting all of these HCL
questions - can you tell me why?).  If it's not SCSI, ask Sony.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16499 S14/Win32s Specific
    03-Nov-92  15:09:46
Sb: NDIS support in Win32s
Fm: Joe Erickson 71360,466
To: All

Will Win32s support the Ndis calls documented in the Win32 DDK?

If this is not in the current plan is there any way to get Microsoft to
reconsider? It's quite important in deciding whether to do a new network stack
for Win32s or Windows 3.1.

Thanks Joe Erickson

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16658 S14/Win32s Specific
    04-Nov-92  16:17:54
Sb: #16499-NDIS support in Win32s
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Joe Erickson 71360,466 (X)

>>>Will Win32s support the Ndis calls documented in the Win32 DDK?

I believe you misunderstand Win32s.  Win32s is to allow user mode (aka ring 3
code on x86 machines) Win32 programs to run under Windows 3.1.  As a result,
the APIs, etc. from the Windows NT DDK do not apply.  If you wish to do a
network stack for a Win32 application running under the Win32s extensions for
Windows 3.1, you really want to do a Windows 3.1 (normal or Windows for
Workgroups) network stack, and let the Win32 app call the normal WNet APIs.

If I misunderstood your question, I apologize and I look forward to more
information.

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16788 S14/Win32s Specific
    05-Nov-92  19:06:40
Sb: INSTALL PROBLEMS
Fm: Steve Woolley 75570,1620
To: ALL

HELP AGAIN, THE LAST TIME I WROTE WAS MESSAGE #16128 SINCE THEN, I MADE A NEW
FLOPPY FROM THE CD AND TRIED TO REINSTALL WIN32S ON TOP OF WINDOWS 3.1 I
REMOVED STACKER, I HAVE 4M RAM AND PLENTY OF HARD DISK SPACE I GOT FARTHER IN
THE INSTALLATION BUT NOW I AM RECEIVING  THE FOLLOWING ERROR:

MICROSOFT TEST DRIVER(DS) ERROR PARSETIME ERROR: DUPLICATE DEFINITION
SETUPAPI.INC(350)

WHAT SHOULD I TRY NEXT ? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP STEVE

#: 16811 S14/Win32s Specific
    06-Nov-92  05:34:03
Sb: WIN32s Fails
Fm: Eric M. Guli 70272,3627
To: Lee Hart/ 76150,2536 (X)

Thanks for your reply.  Yes, the error occurs on install after what seems to
be the point where setup is copying all the files to the hard disk.  This is
on the 486DX/2 50 Eisa machine that this error occurs.  No, I do not have a
kernal debugger for Windows 3.1 installed I am only working from the new
October release of NT.  Would Nortons Desktop cause any problems with install?
However, I did strip Windows down to just program manager and still received
the same error.  I also have a WINJET 800 installed for my printer driver
running through a HPIII, but I also replaced that with the straight HPIII
driver and the error still happens.  What can I do to get WIN32s running?  I
don't want to at this point run NT as my operating system because this is a
work machine that I cannot totally experiment with.  I guess the question is
do I need NT to run WIN32s? Thanks, Eric Guli

#: 16785 S14/Win32s Specific
    05-Nov-92  18:11:49
Sb: Win32s release
Fm: John Lutz 73730,3577
To: MS

Will the Win32s DLLs be released separately before NT or do we have to wait
for the NT release to ship Win32s apps.

John

There is 1 Reply.

#: 16854 S14/Win32s Specific
    06-Nov-92  16:06:20
Sb: #16785-Win32s release
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: John Lutz 73730,3577 (X)

>>>Will the Win32s DLLs be released separately before NT or do we
   have to wait for the NT release to ship Win32s apps.

I believe you can, but let me double check.

One fact you must keep in mind is that it is quite likely that there will be
some change in the Win32 system DLLs anytime before we ship that would require
that you re-build your app in order to work.  For example, we have been moving
system APIs around in the DLLs to improve performance.  This means that your
older apps that try to dynalink with them in the wrong place will not load.
As a result, as soon as a newer version of Win32s is released, and the Win32s
install program updates your customer's installation (because of the
versioning info in the resources), your Win32 app will no longer load and you
will need to update your customers with a newer version of your app.
(Persoanlly I think that's a reasonable price to pay, as long as you are aware
of it.)

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support

#: 16786 S14/Win32s Specific
    05-Nov-92  18:12:50
Sb: DLLs
Fm: John Lutz 73730,3577
To: MS

Can you create DLLs containing 32-bit code and use them under Windows 3.1 via
Win32s?

John

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#: 16855 S14/Win32s Specific
    06-Nov-92  16:06:25
Sb: #16786-DLLs
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: John Lutz 73730,3577 (X)

>>>Can you create DLLs containing 32-bit code and use them under
   Windows 3.1 via Win32s?

Yes, if the calling app is a Win32 app.  Yes, if the DLL is a standard Windows
3.1 DLL (32 bit code in 16 bit segments).  You can't attach a Win32 DLL to a
Win16 app (discounting using a stub Win32 app and some form of IPC to talk to
the Win16 app.)  So I think the answer to your question is generally no.  (If
I misunderstood your question please be more detailed.)

 Lee
 Microsoft Developer Support



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#: 16872 S14/Win32s Specific
    06-Nov-92  18:14:59
Sb: #16855-DLLs
Fm: John Lutz 73730,3577
To: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536 (X)

Lee,

What we would like to do is develop our application completely on NT then use
Win32S to run on Windows 3.1.   The reason I asked about DLLs is because we
would like to make our application extensible.  For example, we would like to
be able to put data readers for different file formats in different DLLs.
Each DLL would contain the same set of routines, but would work on different
file formats.  The application needs to be able to sense which DLLs are
installed at runtime and load them dynamically.  Our goal is to be able to
extend the application with new DLLs (readers) after it has been shipped.

Given that our application will be completely 32-bit and that we need to run
on both Windows 3.1 and NT... 1) is this possible and 2) are there any
limitations that I need to be aware of?

Thanks,

John




#: 16274 S15/Unicode/NLS
    31-Oct-92  09:17:30
Sb: Complete unicode font?
Fm: GMS 100063,2012
To: Sheldon Fox 70162,3422 (X)

One more STRONG vote for full language support (minimum
English/German/Frensh/Spanish/Japanese/Chinese/Thai) in one NT version.

G. M. Sontheimer


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#: 16285 S15/Unicode/NLS
    31-Oct-92  18:04:03
Sb: #16274-Complete unicode font?
Fm: Paul Watson [XLsoft] 76056,1751
To: GMS 100063,2012 (X)

The difficulty of doing this depends on what you mean by "full" support.

Franky, I don't expect the base system to have elegant input methods for every
language.  However, I do expect to be able to buy and add input methods for
any language from Microsoft and third party vendors.  Yes, the base system
should have -some- way of entering any script, even if we have to resort to
entering hex values.

Yes, the base system should include one font that can be render all characters
of the defined scripts.

Regards...Paul



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#: 16754 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  14:43:44
Sb: #16285-Complete unicode font?
Fm: GMS 100063,2012
To: Paul Watson [XLsoft] 76056,1751

My "dream support" is: One OS with a Unicode Font for all languages I mentioned
included. I would like to use the same source code for all language versions
and put all text strings in string resources. If key combinations are needed
for entering them this would be bearable, but preferrably I would youst like
to plug in my German (or Japanese) keyboard, change the keyboard driver, and
add the text strings needed. The application would detect the country
settings of Win NT and choose the string resources for the appropriate
language...


#: 16751 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  14:27:22
Sb: Why no WinMainW?
Fm: David Van Camp 70740,366
To: Microsoft

Why is there no unicode and transparent versions of WinMain?  How utterly
annoying!

dvc

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#: 16826 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  11:08:50
Sb: #16751-Why no WinMainW?
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: David Van Camp 70740,366

David Van Camp,

 >Why is there no unicode and transparent versions of WinMain?

Certain run time objects (e.g. window classes) are marked as unicode or ansi.
When the system passes them parameters, it checks what type of string they
expect, and then converts the strings appropriately.

An executable which has just been loaded has no way of specifying whether it
expects unicode or ansi strings.  For this reason, the system always passes
ansi parameters to WinMain().  This may change at some point in the distant
future, but it will not change before Windows/NT release 1.0.  The suggested
work around is to call GetCommandLine() if you want the command line
parameters in unicode form.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16750 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  14:27:20
Sb: PROC_XXX macros & Unicod
Fm: David Van Camp 70740,366
To: Microsoft

The PROC_EXTDEVICEMODE, etc., macros in drivinit.h are define as
MAKEINTRESOURCE(xx) which is incorrect for unicode because GetProcAddress has
no unicode version and MAKEINTRESOURCE uses a (LPTSTR) cast.

The best solution (in my opinion) would be to make a unicode version of
GetProcAddress, but, barring that, an alternate ASCII-compatible
MAKEINTRESOURCEA() macro is needed:

#: 16827 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  11:08:57
Sb: #16750-PROC_XXX macros & Unicod
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: David Van Camp 70740,366

David Van Camp,

You are correct, there is an error in the header files with the definition of
MAKEINTRESOURCE.  It ought to be transparent such that it is mapped to either
an ansi or a unicode cast.  I have reported this bug, and we will try to get
it fixed by the next release.  Thank you for pointing it out.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16696 S15/Unicode/NLS
    04-Nov-92  22:42:36
Sb: Unicode notepad font
Fm: James D. Howard 71172,2010
To: SECTION 15

The default font used by the Unicode notepad appears to have some problems.
The glyphs for "i", "I", and "l" (lower-case L) are indistinguishable. The
problem with "i" and "I" is, I'd guess, a bug, but the problem with "I" and
"l" is a font design issue. Could the default font be selected or modified,
please to assure that the glyphs are always distinguishable. (For example
IBM's RS/6000 spoils a very nice on-line help facility by likewise selecting a
Helvetica-like font that makes certain command line options undecipherable.)

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#: 16828 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  11:09:12
Sb: #16696-Unicode notepad font
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: James D. Howard 71172,2010

James Howard,

There is a font on the compact disk named uclucida.ttf.  If you install this
font, I believe that you will see the problem you have reported go away.  The
'unipad' accessory expects to use this font.  When the font is not installed,
it still creates a logical font with the face name "Lucida Sans Unicode."  The
font mapper ends up creating an Arial Bold font with a size and weight set
just right to screw up the i, I, and l.  (I find that on my VRAM 7 display,
the logfont equivalent to the font shown in unipad is: {16, 7, 0,0, 600,
0,0,0, UNICODE_CHARSET, 0,0, 2,2, "Arial"}. Almost any other size/weight for
the Arial font produces glyphs for i & I at least which are distinguishable.

You are correct that from the user's perspective, this is a bug.  I have
reported it, but I can not say for certain how it will be fixed.  In any case,
thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16599 S15/Unicode/NLS
    04-Nov-92  10:39:32
Sb: Unicode printf
Fm: Carl W. Brown 71250,1322
To: David Manns 100112,2773

David,

Yes there is a Unicode equivalent of "printf" it is "wsprintf".  However
"wsprintf" is a generic function the handles both ANSI and Unicode.  The
Unicode only version is "wsprintfw"

Carl




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#: 16752 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  14:27:29
Sb: #16599-Unicode printf
Fm: David Van Camp 70740,366
To: Carl W. Brown 71250,1322 (X)

<<Yes there is a Unicode equivalent of "printf" it is "wsprintf".  However
"wsprintf" is a generic function the handles both ANSI and Unicode.  The
Unicode only version is "wsprintfw">>

Carl,

Where did you get this info?  There is no 'wsprintfw'.  wsprintf takes unicode
strings for both the output buffer and the fmt string.  For *ANY* of the NT
printf functions - unicode or otherwise - the fmt string expects the following
parameters:

        %s  expects an ANSI string,
        %ws expects a Unicode (wide) string
        %ts expects an ANSI string in sprintf, Unicode in wsprintf
        %c  expects a ANSI char
        %wc expects a Unicode (wide) char
        %tc expects an ANSI char in sprintf, Unicode in wsprintf

tsprintf is the 'transparent' version of sprintf.  See TCHAR.H for all
available 'transparent' mapping macros.  Since tsprintf will map to sprintf or
wsprint depending on the UNICODE flag, when this option is available, you can
use transparently defined strings (TCHAR or LPTSTR) with it.

Also, the Unicode equivelent of "printf" is "wprintf" not "swprintf".
-------
DOC BUG NOTE:

        Under the WINAPI32.HLP String Functions section it says for %ts and
%tc "... if wsprintf was compilied with the #define UNICODE compile flag..."
Since MICROSOFT - not us - compiles this function, this info is useless.  I
just reported this to David McBride.
-------
BUG NOTE: there is a bug in wsprintf, et. al, where if %s is specified, the
resulting Unicode output string will have ASCII chars inbedded within it.

E.g.: wprintf ( wcs, L"abc%s", "def" );
will return with wcs containing (in bytes):

        0,'a',0,'b',0,'c','d','e',0,0

This has already been reported to MS's C-Lib development team.
The work arround for now is to use only wide char strings as fmt parameters.
Use mbstowcs() to convert an ANSI string before passing it to wsprintf.

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#: 16792 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  19:32:20
Sb: #16752-Unicode printf
Fm: Carl W. Brown 71250,1322
To: David Van Camp 70740,366 (X)

David,

I got the info from the July notes.  Obviously things have changed since then.
All the generic calls were supposed to test the user define of UNICODE with an

#: 16830 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  11:09:30
Sb: #16792-Unicode printf
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Carl W. Brown 71250,1322

Carl,

The information you got from the July release notes was correct, even though
the implementation of wsprintf() in that release was not handling unicode
correctly.  It is working correctly in the October release.

 >The other important API is the RegisterWindowClassW/RegisterWindowClassA
which
 >does not seem to be in the Win32 API.

There is a RegisterClassW and a RegisterClassA in the Win32 API.  They are
both working correctly.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16829 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  11:09:21
Sb: #16752-Unicode printf
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: David Van Camp 70740,366

David Van Camp,

 >There is no 'wsprintfw'.

There is in fact a wsprintfW() as part of the Win32 API.  In the October beta
it is working correctly.

Steve Firebaugh

#: 16671 S15/Unicode/NLS
    04-Nov-92  18:39:22
Sb: Unicode Addendum 1.0.1
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: All

I just uploaded a zipped copy of a text file which contains the "Unicode
Addendum 1.0.1."  (library 15, addend.zip)  I have included excerpts of the
file below to give people an idea of its contents.

Steve Firebaugh

====================================================================== Unicode
1.0.1 Addendum                             92.11.03   8:52


                         UNICODE 1.0.1

The following document is an ASCII version of the Unicode 1.0.1 addendum,
which has been added to Volumes 1 and 2 of The Unicode Standard. Because the
formatting has been lost and the original text contains nonASCII characters, a
dollar sign is used as a placeholder instead, and the text has been modified
slightly for readability.

.. 1. Introduction

As discussed in Volumes 1 and 2, small changes have been made to Unicode 1.0
in order to incorporate it into the international character encoding standard,
ISO 10646, which was approved by ISO as an International Standard in June,
1992. The Unicode Consortium plans to issue Unicode 1.1 in early 1993. The
character content and encoding will be identical to that of ISO 10646. To that
end, Unicode 1.1 will include approximately 5,400 additional characters from
ISO 10646 that are not already in Unicode 1.0.

In order to expedite use of Unicode in the interim, the Unicode Consortium is
issuing an intermediate version, Unicode 1.0.1, which consists of Unicode 1.0
modified by the changes necessary to make the character codes a proper subset
of ISO 10646.

This paper describes the differences between Unicode 1.0.1 and Unicode 1.0
(for more information, see Volume 1, pp. xix-xx and Volume 2, pp. 4-9 and
427-431). Implementations that use Unicode 1.0.1 as thus defined will be
completely compatible with Unicode 1.1, and therefore fully compatible with
ISO 10646.




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#: 16722 S15/Unicode/NLS
    05-Nov-92  10:13:15
Sb: #16671-Unicode Addendum 1.0.1
Fm: Steven Olson 70313,2246
To: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412 (X)

 Steve:
 Just a short note to say "Thanks" for uniput.zip.  I realize this is not a
 final project but it does work.  Any idea on when uclucida.ttf will be
 complete (or at least expanded)?
 Thanks Again!
 Steve Olson
 CRA

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#: 16866 S15/Unicode/NLS
    06-Nov-92  16:58:49
Sb: #16722-Unicode Addendum 1.0.1
Fm: Steve Firebaugh [MS] 75430,412
To: Steven Olson 70313,2246

Steve,

Thank you for the feedback.  I have been trying to nail down a firm schedule
for uclucida.ttf, and no one will commit to one.  The current (soft) goal is
to have 1400 glyphs covered by the first release.  As I understand it, this
particular font will never be expanded to cover all of the unicode glyphs.
Someone pointed out to me that the final NT o.s. will be distributed on floppy
disks.  A font large enough to cover all unicode glyphs will certainly not fit
on one floppy disk.  For this reason, people are reconsidering the font model,
such that multiple font files, which cover disjoint unicode code point ranges,
may be combined into a single logical run time font.

Steve Firebaugh




#: 16282 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    31-Oct-92  15:38:54
Sb: SlickEdit won't install
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: All

I ordered SlickEdit yesterday from MicroEdge - requested Saturday delivery so
I could get familiar over the weekend.  It arrived bright and early this
morning!

When I go to the B: prompt and type NTINST, the disk hums and it looks like
something is happening, but soon the B: prompt returns.  :-(

Has anyone been here before?  I sure would appreciate any help in getting me
up and running before Monday!

Thanks in advance!

     Len



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#: 16286 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    31-Oct-92  19:15:29
Sb: #16282-SlickEdit won't install
Fm: Peter Handsman[Inmark] 70550,2570
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Len,

I got the october update of Slick on friday, it works and installs fine for
me.  ntinst.cmd is a batch file, maybe you should try to run the command
inside by hand.

Peter

#: 16313 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    01-Nov-92  17:10:31
Sb: #16282-SlickEdit won't install
Fm: Robert Reichel [MS] 72360,3504
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Call MicroEdge tech support.  I've frequently gotten ahold of them on
weekends and late at night.

The guy you will talk to is the author of SlickEdit, so he will definitely be
able to help you sort things out.


#: 16561 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    04-Nov-92  00:05:44
Sb: MEWN11.ZIP
Fm: Pierre Perret 73757,2337
To: Sysop (X)

I am uploading MEWN11.ZIP to LIB 1.

This file replaces the older MEWN11.ZIP that was available since mid-October.
The old file contained update 1.1 of MicroEMACS for Windows, which had been
compiled for the July PDK.

The new file contains update 1.1a, which is compiled for the Windows NT
October BETA. (in addition, update 1.1a contains a minor bug fix and makefile
changes to support DEC Alpha machines (only i386 and MIPS were supported by
update 1.1)

- Pierre Perret -

#: 16769 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    05-Nov-92  16:39:52
Sb: 3rd party NFS on NT?
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: all


Has anybody found a usable NFS client that can be run on NT?

We're changing the source storage strategy in our shop in a way which would
require daily access to an NFS server with some shell scripts.  Right now I
have client NFS on DOS (via Sun's PC-NFS) but no great way to do the scripts.
Or I can have Hamilton C-shell on NT + associated tools, but no NFS client...

I guess pointers to good shell (Bourne or C) on DOS would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

                               Alex (aka [e-mail])

#: 16841 S16/Tools-3rd Party
    06-Nov-92  13:46:02
Sb: MicroEmacs
Fm: Judy Polonsky 70544,2411
To: Pierre Perret

I had been using MicroEmacs successfully with the July SDK. I have
now installed the October SDK and DDK and reloaded the system with
Microemacs (memacs.zip , 196507 bytes, 8-22-92 - containing 7 files).
When I click on the Microemacs icon, I get a message saying
"The Dynamic Link Library USERRTL.dll could not be found in the
specified path.
C:\emac;c:;c:\winnt\system;c:winnt;c:\winnt\system"

The file userrtl.dll is nowhere on the disk. Any suggestions on
what might be wrong? I hate using MEP!
Judy Polonsky, BusLogic




#: 16360 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    02-Nov-92  12:35:53
Sb: CDROM (UK)
Fm: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326
To: All

Has anyone in the UK received the October release of the CDROM yet? Or should
I start pestering people?

Christian

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#: 16364 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    02-Nov-92  13:45:50
Sb: #16360-CDROM (UK)
Fm: Michael Webb 100014,1424
To: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326 (X)

I called Microsoft UK - they said that they expect arrival of shipment in UK
this week and will ship to UK users within 24 hours!

Mike Webb


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#: 16442 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    03-Nov-92  03:34:06
Sb: #16364-CDROM (UK)
Fm: Christian Beaumont 100034,2326
To: Michael Webb 100014,1424

Great, I'll look forward to receiving that but I'll probably be at the DDK
Conference so I won't get it until next week (boo)

Christian

#: 16533 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    03-Nov-92  18:56:02
Sb: CDROM->SCSI-2?
Fm: Bruce Ramsey/Microsoft 70324,2742
To: Ben Laurie 100014,1235 (X)

Hi Ben -

>Ben> Wow!  Bugfix notifications!  Will wonders never cease?  So
  long as the release notes mention it, or someone reminds me,
  I'll happily test it.  Its only 1 jumper, after all

>Bruce> Thanks again for the offer to test - I'll try to remind
  you :-)  We're testing here too, yet are interested in whether
  you find it's fixed in your environment...

I don't know if you have your copy of the October build yet, but
  in any case the October build would be the build to try this on
  again to see if the spin-up problem is fixed in your environment

I don't think the release notes comment on this, so this is your
  reminder :)

Bruce

#: 16339 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    02-Nov-92  10:25:57
Sb: Bad Int. Support
Fm: Sigurdur St. Hjalmarsson 100063,1446
To: Ulrich Paul 100022,3315

My sentiments exactly - they have what is commonly known as an ethno-centric
view of the world: there is the USA, and then there is the rest of the world!

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#: 16565 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    04-Nov-92  02:28:36
Sb: #16339-Bad Int. Support
Fm: Peter A Winskill 70323,2547
To: Sigurdur St. Hjalmarsson 100063,1446

The rest of the world...? Oh, I guess you mean Virginia!

#: 16291 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    01-Nov-92  06:16:33
Sb: CDROM delays
Fm: Mike Walsh (Helsinki) 72557,3170
To: ALL

Here is a list of promised developer CDROMs with dates promised and dates
received. It is intended to show the time delays faced by some developers.
 1. July CDROM: promised San Francisco conf. July 1992
                received San Francisco conf. July 1992

 2. July CDROM (Finland): promised Helsinki conf. 14th Sept 1992
                          received October 7th 1992

 3. Dev. Network CDROM beta 1 (ex-US to San F. participants)
    promised September 1992
    not arrived Nov 1 1992
    (also the letter asking for address changes has not yet arrived)

 4. Dev. Network CDROM beta 1 Scandinavia
    questions on this emailed to MS Dev Net rep 10th October - no answer
received by 1 Nov 1992. (email to Scan. rep not US)

 5. European Dev. CDROM (as issued at Brussels NT conf. in August (?))
    promised by MS Finland on receipt of a completed questionaire
    questionaire sent 9 Oct. 1992; no CDROM received by 1 Nov 1992.

 To be fair here is the present state of the latest OS/2 Developer's CDROM

 a. European DAP: CDROM "sent to members" 20 Oct. 1992; no CDROM received by 1
Nov 1992.
 b. Worldwide OS/2 DAP (via Compuserve): initial application made on 18th
October (first day); later found out that all applications made then were
being ignored and had to re-apply; re-applied 25th October; no confirmation of
acceptance made by 1 Nov 1992.
 Mike (who hopes this is of interest to someone out there)

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#: 16616 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    04-Nov-92  12:23:01
Sb: #16291-CDROM delays
Fm: George Meng 76711,421
To: Mike Walsh (Helsinki) 72557,3170 (X)

Mike,

Thanks for the data.  I want you to know that we hear your comments, and we're
definitely trying to improve the process of delivering materials to customers
both in the U.S. and, especially, to customers in other countries.

George Meng
MS Developer Network

#: 16329 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    02-Nov-92  09:17:18
Sb: ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: Lee Hart [Microsoft] 76150,2536
To: Dag Baardsen [PS Norway] 100010,2257 (X)

I can give you some tips from the other side - I recently finished working in
the ISV Porting Lab here and here are some common mistakes that reduce the
effectiveness of the lab:

(1) ISVs assume that all equipment will be provided.  We do plan on having one
machine per office, but even this is not always possible.  If you can bring
your own equipment you will be better off.

(2) ISVs have not done a lot of work prior to visiting the lab. Give the fact
that muchof Win16->Win32 porting is mechanical, you are not getting the
maximum benefit of the lab if you arrive with lots of mechanical porting to be
done.  If you can at least compile fairly cleanly when you arrive it will give
you a better opportunity to port your application to Win32 and then on to the
more strict MIPS compiler.  If you are interested in porting to MIPS, it is to
your benefit to become familiar with some of the more common problems
experienced when portont to MIPS (for example use of either old-style or
ANSIfunction declarations, and corresponding comment format (/*
.. */ or //)

Lee

P.S. It doesn't hurt to sharpen your Darts skills either ;-)

#: 16344 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    02-Nov-92  10:53:31
Sb: ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Dag Baardsen [PS Norway] 100010,2257 (X)

To Lee's comments, I would add:

Since you are an OS/2 -> Windows translation, it will help a great deal if you
have run the basic OS/2 -> Windows translation tools on all of your source
(sed script on .C and .H files, ms_ssed on .C files)

Next thing:

create .def files for all of your dll's and exe's modeled after the
appropriate template.

Making 'stub functions' for dll's can be useful.  For each dll, create
a notimp.c which has each function in the dll, with a MessageBox()
that puts a "This funtion not implemented" on the screen.  This makes it easy
to iteratively add functionality.  Things go much quicker if you can just get
the main window up, then start adding things.  This
approach helps that.

If you use shared memory, study and understand the shrmem example you have
been given.

Finally, if you aren't sure about any of this contact your MS rep
Magnus.

Thanks,
John Hall,
The OS/2 -> Windows guy and your host while in the Porting Lab.

I'd be happy to take questions before you get here in the OS/2 -> Windows
forum.



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#: 16479 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    03-Nov-92  11:38:29
Sb: #16344-ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)


Have you had any ISV in your lab porting X/Unix apps?  Can you comment
(without company names of course) on the experience?

Thanks,
                               Alex




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#: 16690 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    04-Nov-92  21:46:03
Sb: #16479-ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Alex Bronstein 75070,2452 (X)

>> Have you had any ISV in your lab porting X/Unix apps?  Can you
>> comment (without company names of course) on the experience?

Yes, we have, though many of them have been non-graphical server type
applications.  In fact, it is still an open question whether an ISV with both
a Unix and an OS/2 1.x product should start from the Unix base or the Os/2
base.  For non-graphical types, I lean toward the Unix base at the moment.

Many other Unix ports are happening that have not come through the lab. It is
really exciting -- the same people who told us to 'go have congress with
ourselves' a few years ago when we wanted them to port to that *other* system
are now quite busy on Windows NT.  However, due to the politics of the Unix
market many of these people have been adamant about *not* releaseing their
names -- a deviation from most other ISV's.

The major questions I have for Unix ports on a base level is:
Do you always follow a fork with an exec or exit (vfork)? Yes is good.
Where/why do you use Signals?  Just keeping track of children dying
is OK.
Other problems crop up but they don't bother me at night.

This discussion should move to the 'Porting From Unix' section.

#: 16562 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    04-Nov-92  01:53:14
Sb: #16344-ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: Dag Baardsen [PS Norway] 100010,2257
To: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341 (X)

Lots of thanks to you both, I'll come back to you later.  Most of our
questions will go through Magnus, thougmight (just *might*) have others... Dag

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#: 16691 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    04-Nov-92  21:46:42
Sb: #16562-ISV Dev'pment Lab
Fm: John Hall [MS SDE] 70750,2341
To: Dag Baardsen [PS Norway] 100010,2257 (X)

I hang out on 'Porting from OS/2'.  See you there.

#: 16822 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    06-Nov-92  10:53:45
Sb: shareware under nt
Fm: Scott Alexander 76556,557
To: Len Gray 71630,1703 (X)

Instead of checksumming your dialog resource, you should consider reviewing
the registry API's for NT.  You can store your copyright and registration data
in your registry entry, along with date installed, etc. The registry data is
free form , so you could encrypt or checksum your area to prevent tampering.
You could even encrypt your key when registering if you were worried about
people finding the data in the registry.  MS is encouraging the use of the
registry for data like this.





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#: 16837 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    06-Nov-92  12:36:36
Sb: #16822-shareware under nt
Fm: Len Gray 71630,1703
To: Scott Alexander 76556,557 (X)

I agree, the registry is the best place for sensitive strings like copyright
and registration data.  A solicitation dialog, however, can be changed in many
ways.  Controls can be removed, or they can just be moved off into a
non-visible area of the dialog.  Or their size can be changed so the text
doesn't show.  All in all, the easiest way to confirm that the user is seeing
and operating what you wanted them to is to have a means to checksum the
dialog.

#: 16746 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    05-Nov-92  13:30:31
Sb: Seeking NT apps
Fm: Robert Lauriston 75300,3205
To: all

I'm writing another magazine article previewing NT and would like to acquire
beta copies of any major-category Win32 apps (spreadsheets, word processors,
graphics, etc.--not utilities or programming tools).  Nondisclosure basis is
fine, particularly since I'm not yet writing about apps per se but rather just
trying to see how Win32 NT programs differ from the usual DOS and Windows
apps.  Please reply by e-mail if you have an app you'd like to show me.

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#: 16851 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    06-Nov-92  15:33:33
Sb: #16746-Seeking NT apps
Fm: Seattle Lab 71202,560
To: Robert Lauriston 75300,3205 (X)

Dear Robert,
        We are porting a multi-user business operating system to NT from it's
current UNIX environment.  This port of the VMark operating system, UniVerse,
could not have been considered to a single-threaded environment.  NT and OS/2
are the first PC environments that can truly support substantial multi-user
based applications and environments.  At the DDK conference, I spoke with
several others who were also looking at bringing traditional mini and
main-frame apps and environs into NT. NT will probably bring a wave of
seasoned and sophisticated business applications into the Microsoft fold.
        Hope this commentary helps,
        Dennis Krueger
        Seattle Lab

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#: 16861 S17/Unmonitored Chat
    06-Nov-92  16:17:46
Sb: #16851-Seeking NT apps
Fm: Robert Lauriston 75300,3205
To: Seattle Lab 71202,560 (X)

NT certainly seems suited for multiuser and client-server development. What
I'm looking for is more end-user stuff, though.  Thanks.