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Re: I don't know where you get your facts from

Posted by: Martin Hawthorne ( UK ) on March 12, 1997 at 17:51:57:

In Reply to: I don't know where you get your facts from posted by Defendent on March 12, 1997 at 16:49:00:

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: I don't know where you get your facts from, but when comparing buns,for example, McDonalds is not quite the "chemical input, food-drugs," you make it out to be. Sure there is
: probably a healthier alternative but that is the choice of the individual. McDonalds does not and has not claimed to be the
: worlds healthiest restauraunt.

I would take issue with this, whilst they have not objected to the term 'junk-food' being used in court they do portray their foods as nutritious - why else were they (successfully) reprimanded in the States by the US Government for misleading advertising - also have _you_ ever watched a McD advert? I can't believe you don't think that they do not advertise in a misleading way - it may be subtle but it is there nevertheless.

:As for your addictictive bun theory, try again. Yes they contain sugar- No not high amounts

the levels are enough to ensure that the consumer is enticed back, convinced that they have had a good meal, tasty enough to come back, for heavens sakle why do you think that it si put in in the first place ...

: when compared with any other Fast Service Chain.You seem to enjoy exaggerating...

completely agree with you here, most if not all other Fast-food eateries are just as culpable, they however, are not as aggressive, do not provide such an epitome of plastic burger culture.

"aswell as pay-off to the state authorities
: to say that this type of bun is not only ok but can be peddled to the entire population" I don't know what black market factory
: your buns are made in but down under Buttercup supplies the buns. A respected company that deals with the every day public
: not just the evil McEmpire.

I am sure that Buttercups are a good company, local and employ however many people. What I meant was that the state condones the standards that McDonald's and other companies want - they allow sugar buns to be the norm, and why? : ... whatever makes it easiest for the McD's of this world ... the government, the local council even the industry watchdogs could provide guidelines that ensure a healthier option is the accepted standard. I can't understand how you can claim 'the individuals choice' goes as far as a company providing a burger that is unhealth. What with their might, power of advertising etc we have no choice - we are conditioned into decisions, offered limited options, peddled the quickest output and product - there is little choice when the 'market' (that most sacred of sacred cows) is designed to be monopolised.


If you're dissapointed with long lines then I have no idea of what you expect from a restaurant that
: serves more customers than any other store in the world. And if your worried about a McWorld dominated by the dreaded
: company just remember that on any single day 99% of the worlds population does not eat Mcdonalds. As an employee I do
: not find McDonalds to be nearly as bad as you make out " the workers at MCD should be pitied ... I pity you ... the whole
: _world_ probably pities you ..." McDonalds creates millions of jobs world wide. You are the ones to be pitied.

Yep, over 1.5 million people world-wide between company controlled and franchised outlets ... and not more than 1 or 2% with any union representation, virtually all doing the McD 'hussle' or is that 'hassle'? If this is good employment, a job worth doing then there is something definently wrong with our world ... unemployment is a capital controlled reality - jobs are created and destroyed by companies ... so what makes you think that they do not, within this process, then control the unemployed sector ... a cheap easily renewed sector of employees, who because of the 'economic situaiton' _have_ to accept a McJob ...

: Unemployment is bad enough as it is and say what you like but McDonalds does employ with equal opportunity and no
: discrimination. I find that you people have no desire to do any better than lash out at a group of people with amazing business
: skills.

There is something in what you say, in that McD have managed to pull off a great great capitalist coup - they have achieved more than any other company in this field, screwed more of their critics than any other company in this field, hired and fired more people than any other in this field, killed more animals, lent themsleves to more agricultural destruction than others in this field, and they have done it with a great big 'I do not care' on there shop front whilst they do it. The point of criticism is _not_ to lash out, not to blindly cuss someone, the point is to shout loud when you see something you do not agree with - something that does not have direct effect on me but which is important in how our world works, how we get on how we as humans and interact - if McD are such an integral part of that then you are misguided in your defense of McD, does the world really need a McD - do _you_ really need McD?

:If you were capable of running such an organization I would love to see you do a better job.

A complete misnomer of a statement. McD is not run by any-one individual - it's one of the reasons why McD are a negative force, they represent not humans, you and me, but a corporate identity, a false character. More important I would not want to run a business in any shape or form like McD ... what a waste of animal, human and environmental resources ... and for what? What do McD actually _do_ for people ... if you come back with the same argument re: 'choice' then you're not seeing the point of business, business does not want to provide real choice, it wants to control that market, do better than any other, simply so that it does do better - its identity is one of profit, gain and expansion.

I hope that the levels of saturation that MCD are reaching in the States are the first signs that the guru's of market-forces will start jumping from buildings as they realise that the market is not limitless, that the produce is not infinite and the need not eternal ... and that people will reclaim these things from the men in suits.

Mart


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