Well, I installed it ok . . . and basically it seems to work . . . well, kinda. It only runs when I login as the root. I looked through the whole manual and it doesn't say a thing about this . . . when I execute it when logged in as myself, it goes so far as to display the menu bar, but then just dies off. Both applications do this. I'm guessing that this is not normal behavior. Does anyone have any ideas? thanks, Sam