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NrrdGrrl! Discussion Forum: Vent: boys
By Stepahnie on Sunday, November 23, 1997 - 01:13 pm:

I hate men!!!!


By Jenny on Sunday, November 23, 1997 - 01:15 pm:

I agree! They are PIGS! I wish I could fine a sweet perfect guy who loves me because of me and nothing else!


By Amelia Wilson (Admin) on Sunday, November 23, 1997 - 01:36 pm:

Hmm. Does that mean that you hate men? Or that you hate the ones that you know but believe that there are some good ones out there?

Why do you think the guys you know like women? I mean, *really*. Is it mostly for sex?


By Steph on Monday, November 24, 1997 - 07:22 pm:

There are good ones out there and I have some roses here to prove my point. I'm not saying they're all good (they're NOT, I've seen bad and I'm still young so I bet I'll see worse) or that my guy's perfect (he may prove to have his flaws) but we shouldn't hate them all.
We Girls and Women have enough negative stereotypes about us, we shouldn't believe ones about other people.


By Linda on Friday, November 28, 1997 - 07:14 pm:

I really hate men too!!!! You go out, have a good time, they ask you out again - and then -- you don't hear from them!! I am tired of wasting my time for nothing. Where are the good ones?


By Zooey on Sunday, November 30, 1997 - 01:50 pm:

Whoa, grrls, life can suck BIG-TIME. But do not get discouraged. I no longer waste my time making them such a big deal out of my life and go on living my life, robbing coffeehouses and enjoying my solitude. Right now, at the vulnerable age of 16, guys are battling their overdrugged hormones and basically I find it easier to be a friend rather than a lover! AWWW, I can't complain because I grew up in a male-dominated family with mostly boy cousins. In fact, my brother and I are best friends. But yes, it sucks that we can't find a decent man out there in general! Maybe it's up to us to mold them into dreamy gentlemen!! How about that???!!


By Daniel Patterson on Wednesday, December 3, 1997 - 11:28 pm:

Howdy gang

Ok Im a guy, 36, Ex-Marine, Ex-police officer. Been there and done it. All of it. Spent most of my life in a "guy" world. Does this mean that I am unfeeling or uncaring for women. well ask my wife whom I love and adore, not for her body but for the amazing human that she is. We do exist out there. just gotta search. 95% of guys are crap. but then again 95% of EVERYTHING is crap. Search, find, survive, adapt. It's worked for Tracy and I.


By Gretchen ramke on Sunday, December 7, 1997 - 11:33 pm:

First of all, Daniel Peterson: omigod. you're like Jimmy Smits. Anyway, I can sympathize with guys on one point at least; they're usually still the ones who have to do the asking out. I'm not saying there aren't millions of girls that ask guys out too, but it's still typically the man's job and being a person who's really afraid of rejection, I think it sucks for the shy ones. And usually they're the really cute ones who I like a lot.


By Lynda on Sunday, December 7, 1997 - 11:42 pm:

Not all men are PIGS!!! I found a great one and he has been my best friend for almost 9 years, and my husband for over 2 years. Don't give up....maybe you should STOP looking, and just let it happen naturally. That's how it happened for me.


By Joie on Wednesday, December 10, 1997 - 02:59 pm:

guys are just people and they do jerky things sometimes, but so do we. just ranting about how horrible and aweful all the guys are doesn't do much to solve the problem. we've got to get off your asses and do something about it! go out, meet people, have fun! :)


By Camilla on Thursday, December 11, 1997 - 02:02 am:

Someone said that 95% of guys are crap. I think that I´ve met one of the other 5%. But I´m shy and we only meet at work, and not so often. He seems to be shy also. What can I do??


By Toast79 on Friday, December 12, 1997 - 06:15 pm:

i think i've found all the good guys. i live in the dorms at college, and they all live on my floor. okay, well, not all. but a lot of them do. and you know what? they all have girls who don't appreciate them. there was one, who liked me for awhile, but doesn't anymore, 'cause he's been hurt so many times. i hated men for so long, it was pathetic. i mean, i went out with an alcoholic, then i liked the "sweet guy" and he just stopped talking to me, and then, i was raped, and i couldn't deal with men on any level. but now, it's been 5 days since the rape, and i'm trying to see the bright side again. There is a moral to this story, and this is it. THE BRIGHT SIDE IS: there are good men out there. THE SAD PART IS: a lot of them are TAKEN. so if you are LOOKING for a GOOD MAN, one will come along. but when one does, make SURE you treat him riht.


By Gretchen on Wednesday, December 17, 1997 - 10:33 pm:

Toast 79, I think it's really inspiring that you've got things into such a great perspective so soon after you got raped.


By Me on Sunday, December 21, 1997 - 06:19 pm:

It really bothers me when girls say all men are crap (replacable with pigs, shite, etc...) You really can't generalize that much.. even though you are (probably) just exagerating. I honestly think if a man came on here and wrote that all women are crap, or anyone wrote that any group of people (religious group, race, etc) were crap people would get very upset. When you insult other people, you're really just insulting yourself.


By Guitarbaby on Tuesday, December 23, 1997 - 03:40 am:

shit what's up with you people? i love guys! sure, most of them are all the same....like most of them has sex on their minds 24/7 and all my guy friends are either 14 or less than 14 and that's pretty sad, but a lot of the times, i have the best times of my l ves with guys! i'm not talking about sex or anything, but they can listen just as well as we can, if not better...


By ZoOeY on Wednesday, December 24, 1997 - 12:50 pm:

Guiterbaby, you're...14 *coughs* There is a significant difference between prepubescent and pubescent and grown-up males. Your ideal will definitely change as you grow older and more experienced, I'm not saying you will come out a man-hater (no, no, no, of course not!) but just wait and see... I think guys are cool, too, but they can cause us headaches as well.


By Sujatha on Thursday, December 25, 1997 - 01:08 pm:

What most women (and men) forget is.. that guys are people too.. with all the complications and screw ups that we are all capable of... the idea is to find..SOMEONE you like.. on the same level as you...after all most of us are only looking for ONE person.. and theres all the other folks that we have to sort through first!!! No one said its easy !!!
We need a lot of patience and this is important.. a life that we love and enjoy to live in teh meantime !!!!!


By Pezgrrl on Saturday, December 27, 1997 - 05:57 pm:

I don't quite understand why I can't just get over this. Almost 4 YEARS ago...4 YEARS..there was an....incident involving me, some huge guy and his hormones. Now, everytime I'm w/ a guy and we're...you know, it never fails that the same feeling a got nearly 4 years ago will come back while I'm w/ this guy. I've tried to get over it, but it comes SO naturally. I've even come to the conclusion that I'm definitely 'bi', and will probally be a lesbian one day. I never feel that AWFUL, DREADED, DIRTY feeling that I felt when that happened SO long ago. I just don't understand why I can't just get over it. Anyone having this same/similar problem? I'd enjoy hearing from you. jewel_wannabe@hotmail.com
Sorry for the whining, but it just seemed like the place to do it. (no offense) Thanks for those of you who read this.


By Joy on Sunday, January 4, 1998 - 09:17 pm:

I'm really enjoying reading the points of view of so many interesting young women. My two cents (which has served me fairly well for the last 42 years): Know who you are, get very comfortable with that wonderful person YOU, and then go for it. People are people...men and women. We're all a product of a lot of different influences, but there are really very few complete sociopaths out there. When you run into one of the bad ones, learn from the experience and go on. Someone else's persona (bad trips, actions, etc.) does not have to (and shouldn't) define yours. Looking for that perfect man is not not anywhere near as much fun as living your life as fully as possible and letting that perfect man find you.


By Kathryn on Tuesday, January 6, 1998 - 01:08 pm:

Joy hit the nail on the head.
I have found men who were only interested in f*****g me, cause thats all I thought I wanted or could get, it was "love"
I married a man, had three great boys, broke-up and hated him.
Then I met the man I am currently with. He has shown me more about loving myself so i can love the rest. He can be a real jerk and everyother name I can think of, but only when I really don't feel good about myself.
I other words, when I feel good about myself, I see the good qualities of the people around me.
When I hate myself, i see all the things I hate about him.
It is my choice, my personal battle, inner war. Serenity inside, peace outside.
As for the becoming bi or lesbian, I wasn't born gay, maybe bi. Given it a lot of thought- no more hard dicks in my life.
I practice not making decisions by reaction to situations that have occurred in my past. If that is the way to live, I might as well as complete all those suicidual thoughts. Yes, shit happened, happens everyday.

I make my own weather, I am in charge of my thoughts and feelings, not my father - molestor - who can invade every and any beautiful love making session with my partner. Hell any loving thought I have about myself. I have overcome him and taken my power back. He owns me less today. Pezgrrl, don't give up. It can get better. First what I did was faced my father memories, in my own mind (where he never paid rent for the space anyways, only took and took and took) and kicked him out. Yes I still have anger to deal with, but at least I know why and what to do with it.


By Kat on Sunday, January 11, 1998 - 04:26 pm:

why is it that when i'm talking to a guy and tell him that i go to catholic school and that i have to wear a uniform, (ill-fitting blouses, itchy wool skirts and knee highs) he gets all turned on? Why do boys do this?


By Shampoo on Sunday, January 11, 1998 - 11:18 pm:

We had no science teacher, so we went to the gym to play basketball. It was guys against girls. Of course, we were outnumbered, wearing heels, and getting basketballs in the nose. Guess who won? It was US, and we did it by throwing off our shoes, grabbing the ball, and elbowing any guy in our way. To this day, we don't let them forget it. I just thought I should let you know.

A few days ago, I was in homeroom, and there was this really annoying guy there, who asked me to play poker with him. "Poker is a MANS" game he said.

"Well, if poker is a mans game, then why did a woman just win 5 hands out of 6"? I asked him when the class was over. Us girls rock, keep up the good work, and show those men who's boss!!


By ZoOeY on Monday, January 12, 1998 - 07:36 pm:

Way to go, Shampoo! Words is just cow poop, as your little tale proved. I'm in Word Processing, a computer class, and I'm the only girl (SERIOUSLY) but I also type faster than anyone and know more about computers than any guy does! They're ranting like "DAMN!" and grumbling with bitter resentment but they truly respect me and treat me like a queen. If we can show the world what are we capable of, we will no longer be referred as "the weaker sex!"


By Quinn duestchess on Thursday, February 5, 1998 - 02:47 pm:

with some guys, i think we will always be "the weaker sex". sad, but some guys, people, i'm just saying SOME guys don't care about the female brain, just her body. they always seem to be the ones in polotics, yelling, (getting sued, pressuring nice guys into being like them...

the list cointinues. i think we need to brainwash these boys.

while were ati t, lets destroy all the media hype about computer-laser-plastic surgery. it's just disgustng, and really derogatory. i'm sorry if some one reading this just got her nose or breasts done. i guess it was and is your desicion to do that. all i'm saying is that in an ideal world, it wouldn't matter what your profile is. it also shouldn't matter what kind of genetic make-up you have.

however we lived in a male-dominated society. after thousands of years in certain roles, it's hard to break the mold. did anyone watch on TLC "the human sexes"?? that was a really throughough and good report. it explained why men always seemed to be on top. it goes back to the caves, unfortanatly.

sometimes i think my life would be easier if i had been born a boy. say bye-bye to PMS, male harassment...................... i used to have a page long lists of guys' good things, but i can't remember them. being with my sweethart boyfriend, has renewed my faith in boys.

but there are some that we need to blast into space.

quinn


By Que on Friday, February 6, 1998 - 07:15 pm:

Hi everyone, I'm posting to this bulletin because I needed a self-esteem boost. I think it's great that we have someplace to go where it's like an online support group!
Here's an APPAULING boy story for all of you...

THis guy I met through friends went out with me like 6 or 7 times and we seemed to be hacing fun, but then suddenly he stopped wanting to do stuff. Well, before, he had told me that he had some friends online who he liked to chat with. So, I went there one time and talked with some other girls because he wasn't there.

Well, I come to find out that he stopped calling me and wanting to go out because he has an online relationship with some girl who lives thousands of miles away. HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO CALL ME AND TELL ME HE JUST WANTED TO BE FRIENDS OR ANYTHING! He totally woosed out and wrote me this email that saud "so, you chatted with my friend Sunflower (that's the onine relationship girl I guess)...what did you tell her? I like her A LOT."
<li>I mean, come on, be mature, and tell me you don't want to see me anymore. What a WUSS! CAN YOU PPL BELIEVE HIM???? And it's not like he's ever going to meet her or anything...I can't belive he'd opt for an imaginary girl instead of a perfectly normal flesh and blood one who he could actually SEE!

I just hope this SUNFLOWER chick is a total dog.

I have come to believe that there is no such thing as a "nice guy." He seemed nice at first and everything, but WHOA! Change of heart. WHAT"S UP WITH THAT?!?!?

Has anyone else had similar experiences? How did you cope? I'm sooo pissed and a bit hurt.

Later!

Que.


By Shampoo on Friday, February 6, 1998 - 08:07 pm:

First of all, WHAT A *LOSER* THAT GUY IS!!! I can't believe that he'd go for some girl (he doesn't even know who she really is, for all he knows, she could be some 40 yr old man) instead of you!!! This guy is SO not worth it!! He's not worthy of you. Of course, that doesn't make it any better. If I were you, I'd not take it as a bad thing about you, but about the *asshole* you went out with. Obviously, he's got some major problems. Let him go off with his little sunflower chick, and we'll see how happy he is with her, and how long their little relationship lasts. He'll definately miss you, and be begging at your feet for forgiveness!! I'd like to get my hands on this guy, and teach him a few lessons in relationships (i'm going to beat the crap out of him!!!). Okay, uh... that's enough out of me. Call up freak boy, and tell him off!!! Hope you feel better.


By Que on Monday, February 9, 1998 - 05:43 pm:

Thakns Shampoo; I feel a bit better. But I'm starting to hate men along with the reast of you. He just emailed me the following, and I feel I need to share it wiht you. This is what I got after I wrote to him that I'd been seeing another guy and I hope he's not madn (I wrote him that because he was being an asshole and not being straight up with me). So he write me back this OH_SO_DEFENSIVE letter which I read and laffed at...after I screamed with rage...what a conceited jerk!!! And he even signed it with his screen name and not his real name...weird

At 07:28 AM 2/9/98 PST::
>WHAT!?!?!-- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!...WE WERE NEVER GOING OUT...i dont
>care if you were or are seeing anyone...we were just friends...i like
>too many people right now...i really didnt want to add you to the
>list...i can meet sunflower if i want to...matt and i were going to go
>out to boston to see fenway park before it closes and we were going to
>go to her house after.....if you want to know my list...just
>ask......its long.....i have to call all my other friends first before i
>call...
>
>Chameleon

GIRLS, BEWARE OF "CHAMELEON" WHEN CHATTING AT HTTP://TALK.BOSTON.COM
HE'S A TOTAL ASSWIPE!!! In real life that is.

He's such a cowardly pimple.

See ya-


By Shampoo on Wednesday, February 11, 1998 - 08:10 pm:

Oh, so this chameleon is SUCH A POPULAR GUY!! With a long list, and everything! That is *such* bullshit!! Guys will do that. Once you tell them you want to break it off, you're seeing some one else, etc, they go all "I never had feelings for you in the first place". This is just what you say, que - defensive. Plus, it makes us feel bad about ourselves. Oooh... mr. cool is going to Boston... he has to call *all* his *other* friends, boy is he ever popular!! I'll bet he's a little geek. You should tell him so!! He's nothing, he's even *worse* then a pimple. I've got a good mind to search him out at that Boston place, and screw with his mind. Hee hee hee.... I hate men.


By Craig on Wednesday, February 11, 1998 - 09:59 pm:

Lot's of people get caught up in online relationships, and choose online people rather than in-person ones. I think it's precisely because one doesn't see the whole person.

I think we have a tendency to "flesh out" those we meet online, taking what we know of them from our communications and adding what we _think_ they should be like. The person we end up with isn't them, just someone based on them.

In no way am I defending this guy. It sounds as if he isn't capable at this time of having a real trusting relationship. You wouldn't be having one with him even without this other girl.


By Linnete on Sunday, February 15, 1998 - 01:15 pm:

MY Advice:

RESPECT YOURSELF and YOUR BODY

THERE are many wonderful guys (believe me I know quite a few), looking
for a woman who loves and appreciate them. For instance,I know a friend who is very good,
but too shy. This woman was with him for a while, as long as she could
use him and his money, then disapear.

My own husband is a treasure, we are both professional, so he has to help a lot
with the cooking, kids and house and my mood. He's great!

By the way, I married virgin, and it was worth it, although not easy :). I know he loved me enough to wait for me. I remember my first boyfriend, and now I realized what a jerk
he was, that I'm so glad I waited for the right person and didn't give him the satisfaction
of bragging about having have me a single time. I regret all the kisses I gave him , YUCK!
So, it's hard, but worth looking into the future and waiting for the right one to come.
There are plenty of good guys out there and hopefully plenty of good women too.


By Que on Monday, February 16, 1998 - 10:48 pm:

Shampoo-

Chameleon will be online usually every day after school from 3pm-3:40pm EST. PLEASE PLAY WITH HIS MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please. He deserves it soooo much!!!!!!!! Just don't mention I sent ya! :)

Thanks,

Que.


By Shampoo on Wednesday, February 18, 1998 - 12:50 am:

Sure, I'd start tomorrow... although EST - is that eastern standard time?? So that would make it 12:00 over here in BC, which will make it kinda hard, since I go to school, too. Next week friday I have a pro-D day. I can do it then. What do you want me to do to him??


By Que on Wednesday, February 18, 1998 - 07:13 pm:

Shampoo-

Yeah, cool! Friday then. Ummmm, just give him a hard time. Lead him on or whatever you want, then make fun of him...what's your email address? I'll send you an email of stuff you can use to make him think you know him or semething. That would be SO cool of you...you know, I want revenge. Do you blame me? This guy was all rude in the emails, andthen he wrote another one asking for his CD back which he lent to me (um, yeah, like he would lend me his prized favorite CD if he never liked me..). The assshole! I had my mom drop it off at his house- I didn't want him to tell people that I was a klepto or anything...but I didn't want to see his face. You think that was the right thing to do?

Ok, here's my email addy: monique@marinar.com so you can send me yours. OKay? THanks soooo much! You Rock!
---
Que


By Shampoo on Thursday, February 19, 1998 - 08:39 pm:

No problem!! Anything to make the little weenie suffer. I guess the *right* thing to do would be to give him back his CD and all, (grrr...) I don't think I would have. I'd have said "hey, what CD?? why would you lend me your CD if you didn't like me in the first place??" or something. Really piss him off. It's good that you gave it back, though. It makes you look good, and now *he* looks like the asshole.

My email isn't working right now, I gotta call those losers and ask them what the heck is going on. It's been like this for weeks. Once it works, though, I'll put it up here so people can email me.


By Anonymous on Friday, February 20, 1998 - 10:41 pm:

Que, by thinking about him so much, by plotting revenge against him and taking action to make it happen, you are giving him more attention than he deserves, and, more importantly, you are keeping him a part of your life.


By Que on Saturday, February 21, 1998 - 01:29 am:

I don't think about him that much, but when someone says awful things about you and you think they had no reason to in the first place, you maybe want a little revenge. He's not a part of my life. Period. But it still pisses me off that he walks around thinking he's hot shit because he can take a few cheap shots at a girl who WAS his friend. You'd want someone you know to go and mess him up a bit too.

Of course, I don't want to think about him again, the jerk. But, I gave him his f****** cd back, after he was such an asshole...and he didn't deserve it...you just don't treat people that way no matter what...so he deserves something...at least a little something, with the help of Shampoo, and it's only verbal, so what the hell? I would think you'd support me if you're a grrl. You agree Shampoo?

Thanks, tho, Anonymous, for caring enough to post...but if you knew what exactly he did that was so unnecessary, you'd be doing the same!

Que

ps- Shampoo- I gave you the wrong email addy, that's the addy of someone else I know. Here's mine for real : piesquared@hotmail.com


By Shampoo on Saturday, February 21, 1998 - 02:45 am:

Okie dokie. I agree with Que on this one. I know *so* many guys who are just like mr. Hot Stuff, they think they are all that, can get any girl they want, and are free to treat us like crap because, after all, they *must* be superior (whatever.). I think it's about time we tought at least *one* of these ego's a lesson!! Hey, if anyone happens to stop by that chameleon guy at that chat thing, then screw with his head, too!! (ha ha ha... revenge...). I mean, COME ON!!! You can't just take the crap he's dealing out!! You *can't*, even if it might seem like the mature thing to do!! Girls can play dirty, too.


By Que on Sunday, February 22, 1998 - 05:26 pm:

rIGHT on Shampoo!!!!!
That's all I have to say!!!!
Right ON!!!
I will not be the submissive female ever. Not ever again.
I'm sick of the egos.
Actually, the good news is I met a guy at school who is totally different and NOT GAY! Unbelievable really. He's a lot like me and yet not. He's funny and smart, and a little bit of a computer nerd. Not nrrd...but he's sooo cool. and he treats me really wel. which is the most important thing after all, isn't it? He really likes me, tells me it all the time, and shows it, more importantly. And I show him too, so we have good communication and I really think it'll work. He's been hurt a lot too, and we really understand eachother.

Oh well, I'm getting sappy. But don't worry everyone, I am and will always be, a GRRRRRL.

Loving the world again,
Que


By Anonymous on Sunday, February 22, 1998 - 10:13 pm:

Toast79,

1-800-656-HOPE

It's the number to the RAINN hotline. Please call it. They will help you.

The Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN)
http://www.feminist.com/rainn.html


By Shampoo on Tuesday, February 24, 1998 - 12:12 am:

Wha??? RAPE??? Did I miss something?? Anywayz, I'm sick of men, and everything they do. SO sick of them!!! Just thought you should know. Congrats on your new guy!! I'm way happy for you, you totally deserve it. I guess there *are* some okay guys out there, I just don't know any. I hate it when they check you out, honk at you, make rude comments, they are just so... like that!! arg!! I doubt I'll ever meet one I can actually stand for more then a few seconds.

P.S. - are we still going for revenge??


By Buffy on Tuesday, February 24, 1998 - 12:27 am:

Yea, men suck..
Lets kill them all..


By Que on Tuesday, February 24, 1998 - 03:09 pm:

Shampoo-

Oh yeah, we are going for revenge....I have no idea exactly what I want you to say though.......... do you have a plan? Reemmber, don't mention me, just torture him.. It'll be best that way because he'll think you're YET ANOTHER girl who thinks he's an asshole.

Shampoo- another thing!!! I know what you mean about the honking and stuff- it ticks me off too. I guess we just have to take it for a while or else assert ourselves and possibly get raped. I mean, what else can we DO about it? Men are raised to act like that, you know what I mean? I'm really lucky I found this guy I"m seeing now, but the thing is, he treats me so well that I almost feel uncomfortable. I have gotten soooo used to being mistreated by all men that I guess I'm afraid he'll turn that way...I guess when you've been hurt in so many different ways by
different men, you start not to TRUST them, not only DISLIKE them...it's a major problem I'm going t ohave to try and get over. But it'll happen I guess. I'm taking it very slowly for now because I just can't trust ANY GUY at all right now. You know what I mean? I'm sure you do, you always understand me!!!!

As for the rape and incest thing....there was this girl who on December something said she had been raped...I guess that this hotline woman *just noticed* that. A little bit late I think...

Oh well! Until next time everyone!


By Shampoo on Tuesday, February 24, 1998 - 09:43 pm:

Go Buffy!! I've been planning that for a long time, but for some reason can never get it to work!! All men should like, die though, cuz they're so... like that.

Que, you have to tell me a little about him, so he'll think I actually know him!! Hey, is he on on weekends, too?? The honking thing sucks, men are so rude. Another reason why they should die. Whatever. Or, maybe a whole bunch of girls should just get in a car, and start honking and yelling at the GUYS for once!! Let them see how it feels!!


By Que on Wednesday, February 25, 1998 - 01:41 pm:

Shampoo-

get an email account through Hotmail or some other web-based email thingy, and then send me your new address so I can tell you all about the little fucker. *I'm such a sweet girl, don't you think?*

THe reason plotting to kill men never works is because some of our fellow female co-conspiritors turn out to be guys in drag, and then fearing their own complete and total annihilation, they tell the non-drag queen men our plots and then our plans are foiled. Um, tht's my theory. hehehhe. I think I'm crazy, nevermind. I have a cold- it makes me crazy.

Schitzophrenically yours,
Monique


By Keely on Wednesday, February 25, 1998 - 07:37 pm:

Ex-boyfreinds are the ultimate scum. (Excuse if i sound bitter and if I bitch about something that I have sorta wanted to say publicly, or to something besides a sheet of paper for eight months.) I think they must be the most insentive, immature, assholes on the entire planet. (Somewhere out there on this vast web i'm sure my ex i'm biching about is writing the exact same thing about me but i really don't care. i also don't care if a former freind of mine who is nearly best freinds w/the ex reads this.) They just basically suck!
i do have to admit that watching him flirt with the ditziest girl in school and trying to start a realationship w/her is rather hilarious. It certainly makes me feel better about myself. like, I am above him or something. i'm am no longer so and so's ex-girlfriend. plus i'm sure she will hurt him.
One very positive realationship later I'm still bitter about the first.
Anyway, needed to get that off my chest.
EX-BOYFRIENDS SHOULD ALL DIE OR DISAPPEAR TO REMOTE CORNERS OF THE WORLD, LIKE ANTARTICA OR SIBERIA WHERE I WILL NEVER SEE THEM AGAIN!!!


By Que on Wednesday, February 25, 1998 - 10:52 pm:

Keely-

you ARE bitter!!!! Oh well, fly with it sister-friend! You needed to vent obviously!
Hey and this is DEFINITELY the place to do it! I hate ex's too....all of them. Assholes. Shitheads. Bigheads. Lil fuckers they all are.

But life goes on..... Like some obscure wise person once said ... "This too shall pass." I think she was actually talking about kidney stones or something, but the quote still applies. This too shall pass. THis too shall pass. It's really the only thing that gets me by sometimes when I think about those assholes. We move on! We are atrong WOMEN! GRRRRRRLS. we have the power!!! Life goes on sister friend! Men can be scum! But we get over it, and chalk it up to experience. GRRL POWER!! *disclaimer: I hate the Spice Girls*

Power to you, Keely!!!!

Bye everyone!
Que


By Shampoo on Thursday, February 26, 1998 - 12:42 am:

Que, your name is so pretty. Just thought I should mention that. Anywayz, I am, at this minute, getting an account at hotmail. It seems like a smart thing to do, so... yah. Keely, I think that it's normal to be vengeful, I mean, look at Que and I!! We just want revenge on the little @$$holes who made our life hell, is that so bad? Well, maybe, but we're not alone!! I'd like to go up to a few people and just punch them out for all the crap they delt out over the past few years. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?? Okay, I've talked enough! I have my email address at hotmail, it's sasshie@hotmail.com , kay? Anyone wants to email me, go right ahead.

-Sasha (shampoo)


By Que on Tuesday, March 3, 1998 - 12:22 pm:

Hi NrrdGrrls!
Hey- men suck, we've established that...over and over and over again. So, now we should concentrate on the power of women. For instance...I taught myself HTML even though last year some guy said, and I quote, "Oh, it's really too complicated for you to learn. It took me a long time to get it." Well, HAH! I couldn't believe my ears, and from then on I was learning HTML in my free time (errrr what little free time I have). Well, Almost a year later, and I finally have my own homepage to show for it. I didn't even use one of those HTML editors to do it either...I just typed out the code...proof that nothing is "too complicated for you to learn"!!!

Go to the page and see the fruits of my labor:
http://www.mtweb.com/~monique

Thanks ppl!
Que


By Shannon on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 10:43 am:

Hi everyone! So many people on this board have said that "men suck". Then they complain when guys say that girls are stupid, weaker, etc. That doesn't make any sense! A person's gender says nothing about who they are... When you say *anything* about "all men" or "all women" or "all black people" or whatever, you're bringing yourself down to a terrible level! There really are great guys out there.... I think they're the ones that are sitting home without girlfriends during high school, because they're too shy to approach us. Keep the faith, girls... the quality goes way up once you get to college!

sh0520@broncho.ucok.edu


By Anonymous on Friday, March 6, 1998 - 12:54 am:

Que, he is still a part of your life as long as you keep talking about him and plotting against him.

He isn't worth the effort.


By Que on Friday, March 6, 1998 - 05:56 pm:

Hey Anonymous-

oh that guy... um yeah I've moved on in a big way, if you read the stuff that's most recent...
but anyways... I'm not a saint... revenge would be cool, I won't deny I wanna see the little puke suffer... but you're right, he isn't worth the effort, oh well, me and Shampoo can still have fun with it!

Um, thanks AGAIN for your input though...


By Shampoo on Saturday, March 7, 1998 - 02:07 am:

Hey!! Anonymous!! What's with the insensitivity? Ever seen the First Wives Club? Getting revenge was a big step for those women. They got their self respect back after being taken down by their husbands. Yes, Que *has* moved on. She's got a new guy now (he's way cool). We just wanna teach the little asshole a lesson!! That's all. Once we finish, then we'll let him go. Que will feel better about herself in a way! "Hey, I'm *better* then this guy!!" and all. We'll take him DOWN!! Not to would mean letting him think he won. We're too competitive for that. We can't let the guys have the last word!! Maybe he isn't worth the effort, but we'll have fun doing it, right? (PS, yes I am aware that the First Wives Club was only a movie, but it was a pro-grrl movie, and I liked it. so there :Þ)


By Anonymous on Sunday, March 8, 1998 - 10:19 pm:

"Not to would mean letting him think he won"

Which means that what he thinks is important to you. Why?

No, I don't think revenge is fun. I don't think hurting anyone is fun, and it keeps the whole thing alive instead of letting it go away.


By Kat on Monday, March 9, 1998 - 09:24 pm:

Wow. I'm watching the First Wives Club right now. Randomness. Its not about revenge, as they say, its J U S T I C E.


By Shampoo on Monday, March 9, 1998 - 09:40 pm:

Why is winning important to me? Because I'm a fighting girl, and I don't take crap from people, especially guys who hurt *me*. I'm not a weak female, I'm an assertive one! He caused my friend Que pain, and so now I want him to have a taste of his own medicine. Maybe the whole thing *should* stay alive, cuz we're not finished yet. Not even.

Thanks for your support, Kat!!


By Eliste on Thursday, March 12, 1998 - 01:41 am:

first of all... there are good guys out there... found one... he's just already married...
secondly... I think I coupld of movie quotes fit in here...

"Men are the enemy.... but I love the enemy" -Jerry Maguire

"WHY CANT I HAVE A NORMAL BOYFRIEND!! A BOYFRIEND WHO DOESNT GO CRAZY ON ME SOMEONE NORMAL--"
"We all want that dear, I dont think it exists" (close enough) -As Good As It Gets

(smile) there... that's my say


By Rachel on Thursday, March 12, 1998 - 04:04 pm:

why are smart boys so mean? they all think they're better than everyone else, and as a result they act like complete and total assholes. one of the greatest disadvantages to beig a "smart grrl" is being expected to hang around them. i don't think i've ever seen a group of people who treat others with less respect than the smart guys i know. why is that?


By Que_ on Thursday, March 12, 1998 - 07:58 pm:

Rachel-
I think I know what you mean. It's weird, but not always like that. I think that the smart boys tend to be like upper-middle class boys as well (maybe because their parents are smart as well and have really well-paying jobs)...which can lend to their superiority kick. I mean, not to say that ALL upper-middle class boys are stuck up and/or mean...but I think a good majority of them are.

It actually goes the same for grrls, I think. I mean, how many spoiled rotten, mean, stuck-up *lower* class grrls do you know? Correct me if you think I am wrong...that's all just how I see it. But it's true that some well-off families still enforce morals upon their children...thus creating the *nice, smart (and sometimes funny) guys*.

That's my two-cents worth!!!

Que


By Blake on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 02:32 am:

I can understand the frustration many of you feel towards guys (especially guys under 18). And I know it is sometimes hard to keep focused on the big picture when your feelings are being trampled upon. But, when you have the urge to make another creature suffer (as perhaps you feel you have suffered), try to remember that we are all trying to figure out what this life is about. Male/female, old or young - it doesn't matter.

We are souls thrown in this foreign, and sometimes predatory place called life. We try to protect our egos, we try to protect our feelings, and most of all; we try to protect ourselves from loosing the ground (understanding) we've gained thus far in life. Each of us have different defense mechanisms. Boys often take the "holier than thou" approach to life. But please try to understand, that they are just as lost and fragile as any girl. Sure, they can make you feel terrible. Their non-chalance and "hot shit" attitude can really bring you down. But underneath it (and not that far) they are only doing what each of us are in our own way - surviving.

None of us know the answers. And each of us are given different tools to figure out the puzzle. But here's the important part - none of our tools can bring us understanging by themselves. Each of us has to work together. Sometimes that's painful; sometimes it means taking the lumps that others dish out. But it also means falling in love and finding revelation. No progress can be made without trying to understand the situation the rest of us are in (that doesn't mean just trying to understand the people that make us feel good).

Each of us are scared to reveal our true selves for fear that we will be swallowed up by those around us. We feel we must hold on to "ourselves" (aka our ego) at all costs. This causes us to build walls. Sometimes those walls cause others to feel left out, and hurt. And that is a part of life for the the person hurting and the person who's hurt. Both suffer.

If you want to take in the context of men and women - do you really think that boys LIKE to hurt you? Or that they are happy or secure by putting on a "hot shit" facade. They suffer too. They suffer the lonliness that comes with being afraid to reveal themselves to others. No, don' think for a minute that by belittling you, it makes them feel better, or that they have the upper hand. As with any prisoner - they feel the pain of isolation.

The good news is each of us are forced to grow in this world. Some of us have it easier than others. But those boys will one day learn to feel. They'll one day learn that building walls does not make you safe from harm - it simply makes you a prisoner of lonliness.

Next time you have the urge to plan the demise of some guy whose shot off some remark that makes you feel two inches tall; remember that the comment hurts them as much as it hurts you...

Think of it this way-

Let's say you adopted a dog that was beaten by it original owner. Everytime the dog would get too loud, the owner would chase the dog into a corner, so he couldn't escape, and smack him with a newspaper - hard. You know this when you adopt the dog. Would you be angy if, while you were playing with the dog, you backed him into a corner and he instintively lashed out at you and bit you? Most of you would say of course not; that you'd understand that the dog was only trying to protect himself, and that he knew no other way to stop from being hurt due to the years of unkindness he experienced. We're all the same way. Life has smacked all of us in the nose now and again. It's just that we seem to forget that when others lash out, its because they know no other way to protect themselves.

Love each other, and try to understand why people hurt you; and that below that instinctive "bite", there is a scared soul just trying to survive based on the experince he/she has had thus far.

Be the owner that understands - and help that person to understand his/her actions. And help them change so you can both be happy.


By Jill Favor on Wednesday, April 22, 1998 - 10:03 am:

Hey, I met the greatest guy in the world in the most unusual place _ a nudist camp. I was there on a dare with my girlfriend and we were sitting on a railing near the pool, talking, but really looking at guys.
I saw a guy who was cute with really the prettiest color pubic hair I've ever seen (it was natural) and I kind of pointed him out (without pointing) to my girlfriend. He was reading a book but he caught us glancing at him out of the corner of his eye. He continued to read the book.
I decided to make my move.
I put my towel not on the lounge chair next to his but on the one next to that. The chair in the middle between us was open. It was a Saturday afternoon, about 3.
After about 5 awkward minutes waiting for him to say something to me, I blurted out: "What's that book you're reading?"
Well, to make a long story short, we had a great conversation, both of us in the buff for about five hours and we went into the dance (naked) and danced naked for a couple of more hours. He didn't even hit on me that night. I had to leave to go home to my girlfriend, but we exchanged phone numbers.
He works nights and said that Thursday night was his next night off and we could go out then. I called him the next night at work. I said, "Well, you get off work at 1 (a.m.), don't you? Why don't you come over my place."
He knocked on the door. I opened the door. We were both wearing clothes and I was tongue-tied. I said, "I'm sorry but I'm shocked because this is the first time I've seen you with clothes on..."
He laughed, I laughed and we both took our clothes off right then and there. I led him to my bedroom and we made hot, passionate love for the next five hours. We were both surprised when the sun came up (and he was stilll up, by the way).
What a nice guy and a terrific lover! We've been married for five years, so don't tell me that all guys are jerks.
I'm so glad I found one. There are plenty of good guys in nudist camps, but we girls sometimes don't have the balls to go to them.
I'm glad I did.


By Shampoo on Friday, May 1, 1998 - 09:18 pm:

That is just SO cute!! Wow. I think I should start going to nudist camps... ^_^

You know, Jill and Blake are right. We're all here whining about how terrible guys treat us, but once we fall in love with one, we're all "guys are so great!" which they are. Every grrl here has been talking about how much they hate stereotypes, etc etc, but we're doing the exact same thing society does to us. We meet one loser guy, and all of a sudden, all men are pigs. But they're not, really! Just like there are bitchy girls, there are asshole guys. That's people.

Jills story is so nice. Anyone else meet a great guy somewhere? Tell us about him - extra proof that great guys do exist. I'll start.

I went to the movies with a friend of mine, and she invited her friend along with us. I got to sit beside him, and all throughout the movie we were feeding each other jelly-tots, and towards the end of the movie he held my hand, and it just felt so nice. Even if we didn't make passionate love for 5 hours (you lucky girl, you), I thought it was the sweetest most romantic thing, just because it was him who did it. See? There are nice guys out there, lots of them. Now if only I can see him again... :-)

Shampoo
-one day I'll work up the nerve to call him... I will... I'll do it... um...


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 2, 1998 - 12:58 pm:

Hi this is Kate and Aimee! We hate the boys in our class, their skanks! Is there any good boys out there?!And no, we don't spend all of our time in the kitchen, boys!! So get a life!!


By Anonymous on Wednesday, May 6, 1998 - 04:55 pm:

I was just passing through and stopped in to say hello.... :) And to give a bit of advice ....

I have been a nrrrd and a grrl all my life. :)
I hated guys throughout elementary, high school and the first few years of college because they would never give me the time of day. The few guys I was friends with never though of me "in that way".

I stopped hating and started concentrating on myself first and foremost. I basically ignored
*ALL* the guys, even the ones who would scream "Small Tits!" at me as I passed them in the hallways. As soon as I became pretty comfortable with myself...........

I met my fiancee... and we're very happy after dating for 3 years. :)
Don't give up hope, but give up searching. Things happen when you stop looking for them to happen.

Rizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzelle


By CAT on Thursday, May 7, 1998 - 02:11 pm:

I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I KNOW US GIRLS GO ON ABOUT ALL THIS GIRL POWER STUFF AND HOW ALL BOYS SUCK AND WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEM.......BUT YA GOTTA ADMITT WHEN THERES A CUTE ONE WALKING BY SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T HELP YOURSELF!!!


By Angel on Sunday, May 10, 1998 - 08:29 am:

I hear you Cat, we all moan about men constantly when we've got em and then when we haven't we moan even more. Then as soon as a half decent one pops into view half of us decend into the dreaded pit of "being girly." Just remind yourself next time you start to swoon - IT ISN'T WORTH THE TROUBLE MOST OF THE TIME!!


By Anonymous on Sunday, May 10, 1998 - 10:48 am:

I know just what the "men haters" feel like . I had a letter from a guy who started to talk about how his anatomy extends when he sees my face which I thought was really sick.
But on the other hand I once knew a guy who was so nice and caring it was unbelievable .
A note From My Mate
Boys can sometimes be really disgusting but when theres nice ones out
there you've got to get them and get them quick.I have known quite a few nice boys that I would never ever go out with but they are really good people to talk to.


By Shampoo on Monday, May 11, 1998 - 12:44 am:

Okay, about the guy I mentioned before - scratch everything I said, he's a geek. I still stopped hating guys, I just hafta say that... he's a geek.


By Josephine on Monday, May 11, 1998 - 02:12 pm:

I would like to say back to my friend on May 10th that you shouldn't have said all those nasty things about Jonathan Noble .He reall has a strong crush on you .


By Que_ on Monday, May 11, 1998 - 06:14 pm:

Gahd. That's all I can say. Guys are probably the biggest enigma of all time for teenagers in my area (if not everywhere...) and let me tell you....I think that there's no reason for that!!!

For like, my entire life, I felt nervous and uncomfortable around guys, for no good reason really..just that I guess I was shy and unconfident.

There was a strange turn-around this year....i don't know why, but almost suddenly, I started being myself, not caring *exactly* what people were thinking about me. You know how in all those teen magazines it says for us grrls to carry ourselves like any guy would be *lucky* to go out with us? Well, I used to read that and think it was impossible, because I was thinking that there are just some guys who are *popular* and *better than me*.

Well, this year I decided that old attitude was a load of crap. The only reason any guy seems better than me (to me) is because he acts like a superior asshole. And then I made the connection that if he's an asshole, he's not worth my time anyways...! I believe that eventually all you girls will feel this way....it just takes time, some rejection, some acceptance, and some friendships with guys for you to feel this way.

By the way....I don't think it's a coincidence that since I changed my attitude, suddenly there are lots of guys interested in me. Not necessarily as a girlfriend, but at least as a friend who they can hang around with.

I think everyone will eventually get to feel this way, so if you still feel like guys are the biggest enigma in the world, take it from me, they're just human, but equally as complicated as you are. And therein lies the problem and the solution.


By Que_ on Monday, May 11, 1998 - 06:24 pm:

I'm going to create another discussion called "crushes" so us grrls can spill the good stuff there. Sound good?


By Anonymous on Thursday, May 14, 1998 - 02:43 pm:

I have a crush on a guy who considers me as a friend and if I ever told him how I feel he would get so shy about it he would not have the guts to speak to me again.It's really terrible 'cos I've never felt this way about anyone before and I don't want to say anything 'cos he's a really good friend.


By Birdie on Friday, May 15, 1998 - 01:40 pm:

OK, I was wondering if anyone could help me understand my situation here. My ex-bf and I haven't spoken since we broke up 7 months ago, we've basically just ignored each other, but yesterday, out of the blue he started talking to me again like nothing ever happened.
what's up with this?


By Fiona Smyth on Saturday, May 16, 1998 - 02:22 pm:

I'd just like to say that I agree boys are assholes ( excuse the language!) but we still can't live without them can we?? I seriously couldn't live without them. There is a saying

GIRLS NEED BOYS LIKE FISH NEED ARMBANDS!!!

see ya

Fiona


By Anonymous on Monday, May 18, 1998 - 03:12 pm:

I dont think all guys are pigs but yeah there are alot of pigs out there!


By Angel on Tuesday, May 19, 1998 - 09:55 am:

I have just come to the conclusion that my boyfriend/ ex boyfriend is an asshole and is no better than any of the other pigs I have met, I mean the guy is just unbelievably selfish (and yes it has taken me 3 months to realise that.) I had to share that otherwise I would have been highly likely to flip sometime soon. I am and will be remaining single for many months to come methinks. Thank you for allowing me the oppotunity to share that before my head exploded with stress


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 23, 1998 - 07:28 am:

Not all boys are that bad.I have alot of friends that are boys.(I like most of them) Most boys are jerks but give them a chance.


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 23, 1998 - 11:53 am:

Personally I lurrrrrve men with extra large dicks. They are soooooo sexy. Give me a dick to suck any day! I also love women with large tits. They are soooooo sexy. Give me a tit to suck any day. By the way I am Bi-sexual. Could you guess.
BYE!


By Matilda on Sunday, May 24, 1998 - 04:44 am:

Well, I think men/boys are ok sometimes, but the one thing that really gets my goat ( cool expression there ) is that you cannot be in a bad mood around a bloke with him instantly accusing you of having PMT. This seriously annoys me. Also there is the fact that some of them CHEAT and LIE and I would just like to say to any poor fellow girl who is left feeling like a piece of dirt because of something some man has done, dont give up, they are not all like that....as far as i know.


By Keely on Sunday, May 24, 1998 - 12:45 pm:

I have to say that as bitter as i can be towards men their are a couple good catches out there. I went to a party a couple of nights ago and finally got together with the friend that i have liked for well over a year. I am so happy! He is so sweet. He has always been there for me when i have gone through tough times, expecailly break-ups. i guess you just find that special person in the last place you would look.
:)
Keely


By Keely on Sunday, May 24, 1998 - 04:34 pm:

MEN SUCK!
I guess that what i wrote above was me being a little to hopeful... way to hopeful since he just called and said that he just wants to stay friends.... AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
:(
Keely


By paige on Monday, May 25, 1998 - 11:32 am:

men are complete t***s they never ring until about a day after they say they will so in that time you are glued to the phone when you could be out with your friends having fun. but who could live without them i know i could'nt !!! and none of you probably could either!


By Anonymous on Monday, May 25, 1998 - 05:12 pm:

MEN: CAN'T LIVE WITH 'EM, CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT 'EM!!!!!!!!!!

Anita


By Thunder on Tuesday, May 26, 1998 - 03:59 pm:

why do men two time you and even though you know for sure they are when you confront them they still deny it claiming its rumours trying to split you up?! Why do they say they love you then go on to treat you like s**t by not phoning and making hardly any effort to see you? Why when you end up phoning them they were always banned from the phone or something pathetic excuse like that? and if you do see them they seem really happy to see you too and when you part he says he`ll phone you two weeks later your still waiting for a call. and lastly how are you meant to treat these weird boy-types after you`ve dumped them? Can anyone please help me on any of these weird boy ideas? I`m really confused cheers!!


By Es3 on Thursday, May 28, 1998 - 05:15 am:

Hello, I couldn't be bothered to read the rest of the messages there, so once I read a few all men are gits type messages I decided to add one of my own. Here it is:
1. Stop worrying the perfect man will come when your not looking
2.Don't have an ideal man you're not perfect neither are they
3.Give and take accept his flaws as he has done yours
4.Don't become a sterotype relationship hanging when there is no spark left just makes you feel crap
5.There is more to life than men, belive it or not live your life the way u want to, have fun remember that pepsi ad "than heavens 4 little girls" u were a little girl once too, do whatever you wanted to then like your dreams 4 when you were older, now u are older there is no excuse 4 not doing it
6.When u do find the boy perfect remember your mates they were around when u whined and whinged about the lack of potentional love interest in your life and given the chance they'll be there 4 u now DON'T FORGET THEM!!!

So that's it what do u think any comments? U no that I'm right!


By Anonymous on Thursday, May 28, 1998 - 05:34 am:

i have to tell the sorry story of my compleate infactuation with a compleate b@s~#rd. Lets pretend this boy is ADAM (not real name) for a week or to we flirted with each other I thought he was cute and he had told some of my friends that he thought he was falling in love with me. He asked me and being nervous I said no a while later he did again so I said yes, two weeks later the basterd dumped me and then I found out he had a long string of small period girlfriends who he always dumps either coz he's board or something better comes along. He is the classic grade A git, to be avoided at all costs. Anyway I got another boyfriend who I dumped but that was o.k. coz it was mutual. Around the festive period I went out with him again only to dump him coz he came on to strong. For ages afterwards he played on the I messed his life up and sh***ed up his chrimbo. I felt guilty and then realised that against all the odds I still had feelings 4 him. He picked on me 4 months until he apologised 4 all the mean stuff he said and did to me. You see really this was just a clever ploy to get into my good books over the easter break he and a close friend of his came to us with a propersition if we (my friend and I) would like to mess around over the holiday (not full sex though), as I had been crushing and fantazizing over him 4 the past few weeks I decided to end my torment and do it afterall it's not every day that a girl's crush object comes up to her and asks her if she'd like to do all the things she'd been dreaming about with him is it? So we agreed that night his friend couldn't make it so when we met up with him he had sneakily stashed away a replacement 4 him behind the corner unknown to us. I'll finish in a minute I have to go. Be back soon.


By Anonymous on Thursday, May 28, 1998 - 02:55 pm:

The trouble is that younger blokes don't apreciate the fuller figure and taller people or short people or anybody really . I mean who made them in charge . life sucks . i reckon we should just stick together.


By Confused on Thursday, May 28, 1998 - 04:50 pm:

How do you know it when a guy likes you???


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 30, 1998 - 02:00 pm:

well i think i have found a prefect man who treats me rights and phones when he saids he well.he would not hit me or treat me bad when his friends are a round.he buys me flowers and gets along with all my family and friends.i believe God made a man for every woman and i think i have found my man and if you keep looking you well also find yours.


By Dreamy2002 on Sunday, May 31, 1998 - 02:08 pm:

ABC's of guys!

A is for the automobile which he doesn't own.
B is for BULLSHIT, which is what he was full of.
B is also for brain, which was located between his legs.
C is for the commitment that was never there.
D is for the dildo he didn't know I had.
D is also for "Damn the bad luck" which is what I have in Dating men.
E is for everything he said we'd do, everything he said he was, and
every- thing he's not.
E is also for ego. His was bigger than a hot air balloon.
F is for faithful, as long as there wasn't something or someone better
to do.
G is for GOD the one he thought he was and wanted to be worshipped as.
G is also for the spot he could never find! (Thanks Steve for that one)
H is for laughter (HA! HA!) the last sound he heard from me as he was
walking out the door.
I is for Impotent which is what I told everyone he was.
I is also for the inbreeding that occured in his podunk family.
J is for jugular, the one I'd love to sever.
K is for Key, the one that made the lovely designs on his truck.
K is also for Kick in the balls which is what I'm gonna give him if I
see him again.
L is for Love in most cases, but exceptions have been made, L is for
LOSER in this case, along with LUSH (he drank an awful lot).
M is for MAN. Has anyone been able to find one? Have you ever met one?
Do you know where any are?
N is for the narcotics. He drove me past alcohol.
O is for the orgasm he thought he made me have.
P is for PAYBACKS. Remember they are HELL!
Q is for queer. I sometimes wonder if he is.
R is for the hopeless romantic he said he was. He was half right. He
was hopeless, not to mention worthless.
R is also for the ring that he can't afford and will never buy.
S is for the sugar they found in his gas tank.
S is also for satisfied, which he rarely made me feel.
T is for typical. Typical little boy playing at being a man.
U is for umbilical cord which was never severed when his mother gave
birth.
U is also for the ugly girl he is dating now.
V is for the voodoo doll I made of him. Pins are inserted of course.
W is for wife, the one he said he didn't have.
X is what he is to me now!!!!
Y is for why the hell did I ever get involved with him.
Z is for the zoloft that I had to start taking.
. is for period, which is a good excuse that comes in handy once a
month.

Girls, I got this off of a website and honey It's the truth!


By Anonymous on Monday, June 15, 1998 - 11:22 pm:

I'm not so sure that guys are idiots. I mean I'm only 12 and all, but I ALREADY know that some guys are cute & nice. Like this 1 guy I know. His name is Ryan and he's nice, funny, and TOTALLY HOT!! He's popular, but not to much, so he's full of himself.I'm not going out with him, but I still like him. Oh! One more thing. I'm in gifted, which is what Lisa Simpson should be in, since she is so smart, and all the "preps" (the un-gifted folks) always tease us gifted peoples and say we are geeks (and etc.), but Ryan (he isn't in gifted) always stands up for us (esp. if I'm in the group the preps are teasing. If you want to argue with my opioin (sp?) E-Mail me at "Moogle3214@aol.com"


By Anonymous on Friday, June 19, 1998 - 04:15 pm:

HIYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not all lads are shitheads,i mean my pal here is very much in love with her kind ,
giving , sweet and very sexy yet not pushy
or up himself boyfriend.!!!!!!!!
Without lads life aint complete, plus, according to science you unappreciative
cows,you wouldnt be here!!
You lot ,Do ye go around snogging other girls or what???
Lads are great,provided for our pleasure.
Got a problem??WRITE BACK BITCHES


By Anonymous on Sunday, June 21, 1998 - 09:50 am:

boys are creeps


By Shampoo on Monday, June 22, 1998 - 04:06 pm:

Depends on the boy. There are lots of creepy girls, too.


By Oirio on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 04:25 pm:

Shampoo,
This is for you!You reakon there are a lot
of creepy girls, Try being stared at every day
for two and a half years !!!
Now,In all fairness i havent come across
a " Creep" as bad as ye seem to make out.
Ok,Occasionally you come across a complete
loser but i was told before
"In this world,you get back exactly what you give out"
WHether you agree or not ,there is logic in it.
Do you like that song by brandy & Monica?
I reakon it rules!!!!!!!!!!!


By Marsha on Tuesday, June 23, 1998 - 09:38 pm:

Im not sure about guys. You see I met a guy I thought was perfect and he said he thought the same about me. I had been burned in the past and I was slow to trust him and the asshole didn't dump me until right after I was incredibly in love with him. I have had boyfreinds as long as I can remember and I cant live without guys but My advice to all the GRRLs out there is have boy freinds. Fuck them if you want (using protection).
But try hard not to fall in love because eventually you get HURT. I am only 13 (I can pass for 16 though) and I hear all kinds of stuff about how all the sex crazed jerks I know get better as they get older. I am going to wait until after I move out of my parents home to have another serious relationship, but I dont know if I can. Write here if you have hints
XOXO
MARSHA


By Oirio on Wednesday, June 24, 1998 - 12:42 pm:

Marsha,
Not all lads are gobshites!!!You say you've been burned but do you not think lads get "HURT" theres that word again .I mean ,a lad i know really well was broken hearted for weeks
when his girlfriend dumped him.Also another friend of mine "tom" snogged my pal "GILL"
WHILE GOING WITH HER BEST-MATE"DEB".
After deb broke up with Tom,he promised never to snog any-1 again! He's gone 2 months!!
He constantly thinks about deb,coz he loves her. sHE(DEB) was with another lad last night at a party and he is gutted!!!!
YOU MAY WONDER WHY I AM WRITING THIS, JUST TO PROVE LADS GET HURT TOO! (he was drunk when he snogged debs friend)
-Oirio


By Bliss89303 on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 08:39 am:

i dont care what any of you say. not ALL men are pigs. and i found myself a good one. i went out with him about 3 times, then packed him coz one of my friends told me he was two-timing me. he swore blind that he wasn't( ishould add that this was just after crimbo and he had bough t me a heart shaped necklace with 'i love you' in the middle) then i couldn't stop thinking about him, so a couple of days ago i got my mate to tell him i was sorry i didn't believe him and asked him back out. and he said yes. so even after 6 months and alot of slagging off behind his back in public, he still said yes. so don't try and tell me all men are crap


By Shampoo on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 03:44 pm:

While there are a lot of men out there who I would love to shoot in the head, the fact is that there are a lot of girls who treat their men like crap, too. I know a lot of girls who did their guys bad and really hurt them. Guys have feelings too, they fall in love too, and they get hurt, too. They're not all out for sex, a lot of them *are* looking for a meaningful relationship.

To those girls who can't seem to attract a nice boy: I think you should take a look at your attitudes. You're all saying "all men are losers". With an attitude like that, you're only going to end up *attracting* the losers, not the nice guys! No decent man is going to go for a girl who has such a bad oppinion on his gender. Would you go out with a man who hates all women and thinks they're all bitchy sluts? Of course not! Yes there are nice guys out there, and I know it's hard to look past the loser you once dated or liked, but you'll find that man who's right for you. Just put on a smile and an open mind about certain things.

Get rid of that nasty word "all".


By Momo on Sunday, June 28, 1998 - 04:31 pm:

Shampoo,How many times has this "oirio"person wrote all lads are not shitheads???
-spides


By Joanna on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 05:27 am:

Hi,
I'm Joanna and I'm 14. Ok, I've got this problem, dilema sort of
thing............here goes:
My friend Terri went out with this guy called Leon and then he dumped
her after 3 weeks because he was two-timing her. I got quite friendly
with him which annoyed Terri but now I really fancy him. The problem is,
my best friend Gemma just told me that she loved him!! Then last week
Leon asked me if I'd pull him but I HAD to say no coz Gemma AND Terri
would have fallen out with me!! What should I do: I still really like
him.
PLEASE HELP
~Joanna~


By Oirio on Wednesday, July 1, 1998 - 05:04 pm:

Joanna this is a very bad situation !!I think you should tell both of these girls that a true friend would never stand in the way of some-one elses chance at happiness, after all there is no label saying around his neck saying "i belong to gemma and terri".They seem to be acting really childish about this, he likes you, a true friend would stick by you.Ask yourself are they worth your unhappiness??If you do make back with them youll still be a bit miffed that they came between you and your "object of desire".People who turn their backs on you because of jealousy are'nt worth it.
Oirio


By JaNae on Thursday, July 2, 1998 - 02:05 am:

Im 16 and i have had my heart stomped on, set on fire and put in a blender so many times its not even funny. Lots of times I have gone months calling bois pigs, a**holes, and worse. But one always comes along with a goofy smile and i totality forget my past "mistakes". I guess what I finally have learned is that I AM 16. You have to remember that this is almost just like practice for better relationships that are to come. Believe me I know rejection hurts more than anything in the world- but I also know that when a guy tells you he loves you it feels sooo facking good your heart wants to burst from sheer joy. I cant imagine how it will feel when its for real. Who was it that said its better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all? I think thats what life is about. Just be strong and dont let them run your life, and when you find out your bois a jerk DUMP HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By Shampoo on Thursday, July 2, 1998 - 07:36 pm:

Momo: i dunno, a few times i guess. Whats your point? Just cuz oirio said it I'm not allowed to say it, too?

Joanna: I'm not sure... I've always firmly believed in "friends before guys". Boys come and go but friends are always there for you. Ask yourself if you want to risk their frienship. Orio is right, they may be acting a little childish, but we all do that, no one is perfect. Talk it over with them. Are they good friends with you? Because good friends are hard to come by, and nothing hurts more then a best friend becoming an enemy over something so trivial. Besides, this Leon guy was two timing on your friend Terri, right? Is that the kind of guy you want? If he did it to her, he can do it to you.

Janae: You're right. Too many girls let themselves get walked on by their guys. If you're being treated bad, please do yourself a favour and get out of the situation as fast as you can.


By The Kat on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 02:25 pm:

I think that that the reason that lots of gurls hate lads is because they aren't like us at all. Lads are like dogs. Think about it, both communicate using grunts and barks, both are completely obsessed by sex, and both pee in public. So treat your man like a dog: send him to the dog house when he's a pain, and reward him when he's good. Remember: a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle!!!
nb: not all lads are like dogs!!!!


By Emma on Friday, July 3, 1998 - 03:43 pm:

I agree with u some men are complete slobs sexist and do my head in but some are nice like this one boy i know malpass he kind but tends to use me a bit and tyhat does my head in but he's ok in general and not all men are obssessed with sex some females are too meaning i am tyo a certain extent even though i'm a virgin but females are not as obssessd as males.See ya


By Daisy on Sunday, July 5, 1998 - 12:32 am:

I don't know what my guy's prob is. I keep telling him I dont wanna see him anymore, but he won't stop buggin me and makin me feel sorry for him. Its not fair. How should I get him to leave......For Good? I don't want to hurt his feelings, but I cant go on like this!!!! PLEASE HELP


By Marsha on Sunday, July 5, 1998 - 05:00 pm:

I have a similar problem to Daiseys. I want to continue seeing my guy but I don't want this to be a serious relationship. He keeps saying junk like "I love you" and "We'll be together forever". I don't know how to make it clear that we are not serious. And if he keeps it up I think I will have to dump him cuz I know if I fall in love with him I will get hurt. If I was in Daiseys situation I would try to set him up with someone else or try to talk to him as little as possible. Eventually if he still won't leave you have to stop worrying about his feelings and tell him off.
PS why don't you want to be with him?


By Daisy on Monday, July 6, 1998 - 08:08 pm:

Marsha~Well, my guy seems to think he can control me. He has told me not to be friends with some people, and threatening to break up with me if i did. Now i am friends with the girl, and he didn't break up with me. The other day, he decided to try and get my step dad to read a private letter I wrote to him. He snoops thru everything of mine to make sure i am not doing anything wrong. I just told him today that I dont want to see him anymore, but he wont do it. He said if I feel the same way in a week then we can break up. Why wait? I just wanna get it over with!!!!


By Marsha on Monday, July 6, 1998 - 08:37 pm:

Daisey-
This guy is a total asswhipe. The funney thing is he dosn't have a choice. If you say "we aren't going out anymore, then you just aren't. My advice, if he keeps bugging you avoid him as much as possible. When you see him don't talk or look at him. Hang up the phone when he calls. Of course I probably shouldn't give you advice when my love life is as screwed up as yours. Oh well =)
xoxo
MARSHA


By Kathy on Saturday, July 11, 1998 - 10:34 am:

Men stink!! My best mate Kristine is madly in love with Liam. Liam does like her too . Everbody knows !! . His bro even told her that he never shuts up about how nice she is but still nhe saye no !! what should I tell her , and I can't tell her he is a toal dick , coz he's not he is realy nice !!!

HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KATHY!!!!!!!!!


By Tiger396 on Monday, July 13, 1998 - 03:46 pm:

To kathy

Why don't you try and say something to Liam. Ask him what he is playing at. I know exactly how you feel. You want to help your mate but don't know how to do it. Just talk to him.


By Anonymous on Thursday, July 16, 1998 - 11:40 am:

Why is it that all the seemingly 'nice' guys behave like illiterate, sex crazed, tactless cavemen when they meet up with the rest of their male brotherhood?
Gods gift to women? I don't think so.


By Chocobabe on Thursday, July 16, 1998 - 01:11 pm:

Anonymous, I totally agree with you but why they do it I don't think even they know. It is such a pain you think you know a guy and think hey maybe he is different, maybe he is ok and then there chum hangs with you and your left thinking who the hells this guy with his arms round my waste!


By Rhiannon on Tuesday, July 21, 1998 - 03:19 pm:

I HAVEN'T EVEN HAd A BOYFRIEND YET (I'm 14) Thanks for warning me I'm in no rush to date!


By Rhiannon on Tuesday, July 21, 1998 - 03:20 pm:

I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A BOYFRIEND YET (I'm 14) Thanks for warning me I'm in no rush to date!


By Anonymous on Thursday, July 23, 1998 - 03:34 pm:

Guys suck!!!!!!!!!


By Katie on Monday, July 27, 1998 - 04:36 pm:

Hey, girls...
Men don't suck at all.
I haven't been able to find a man who is hot, and isn't a dingy! Maybe they're afraid of being themselves.


By Soph on Saturday, August 8, 1998 - 05:19 pm:

If Men suck, then why are so many people happily married/together? You just have to find one that's right for you.


By Kate on Wednesday, August 26, 1998 - 02:56 pm:

If you all hate boys so much, then why are you wastimg your time writing about them?!


By Cindy on Sunday, August 30, 1998 - 03:52 pm:

Reality check, girls... Guys most certainly do not suck. Although, there are a great number of them who give the rest a bad name. I've been screwed over just as much as the next girl, believing I'll be a spinster by the time I'm 25. You have to go out with all kinds (that, I did... and I mean ALL kinds) to figure out what you like and don't like. So what if a guy isn't a hotty or doesn't have a trust fund you could live off of? I breifly dated a guy who I thought was a total Baldwin. But the more I got know him (annoying habits, controlling, etc...) the more unattractive he became. Looks and money mean nothing if he treats you like shit. Be picky... Demand the respect you deserve. Just a thought...


By Adee on Wednesday, September 2, 1998 - 06:35 pm:

Hey guys don't suck! In fact I tend to get along better with them then I do with girls. It probably has to do with the fact that when I'm around a group of girls, I always feel as though I'm being judged. But with guys I don't feel it so harshly if at all. Anyways the thing about guys is.... they're human. And it's not as though we girls are all sugar and spice and everything nice either!!!


By Anonymous on Thursday, September 3, 1998 - 02:06 am:

I can't believe I'm hearing this crap about how guys suck or don't suck. We didn't choose what gender we are (yes, I'm a guy) and then some of you just go ahead and discriminate against all of us. People are individuals and should not be judged on things that they don't have control of. I consider everyone equal because we all have individual minds that we fashion to our liking. What we are given by our parents (race, looks, etc...) should be irrevelant and that is how I look at those type of characteristics. The only thing I look for in a person is their mind.

Vijay
vijay.a.kher@vanderbilt.edu


By Luis on Saturday, September 5, 1998 - 02:56 am:

Ok, this is the 9ties. Womem have economical independance, equal opportunities (at least as advertised in developed countries), etc, etc, just as men. Why just girls and boys can't go out and have fun? Why asking out 2 or 3 times establishes a tie? Why only men have the obligation of asking out?
By the high rate of marriage/divorce its clear that finding a "twin soul" is dificult.
And about guys only thinking on sex, it was a nature design flaw (or maybe not)...


Luis
altavista1@hotmail.com

PS: Guys sucks, I prefer girls... ;-)


By Sunshine on Friday, September 18, 1998 - 06:19 pm:

Not all guys suck but some of them do.Like my friend she has a boyfriend well i should say ex-boyfriend....and they broke up like 5 months ago...anyway...they still flirt with each other and probbaly planning on goin to the homecomin dance to together.Anyway,so he is on the football team and made up a story that she seduced him into his bedroom and they had sex together.All of it was a lie and he was just trying to sound cool.So of course it spread and now alot of the school think it is true...and now guys like her for the wrong reasons...and she is not like that all.Her ex-boyfriend just thinks it is sooo halirous...but never admitted to doin it even though everyone heard him sayin it...... But then he also told everyone that when he was in 5th or 6th grade he had sex with like a 17 year old.That probbaly is just a lie to.What is up with that???Why do u guys have to think that everything is about sex and if they don't do it everyone is goin think they are not cool???
:)Sunshine:)


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