Body Image


NrrdGrrl! Discussion Forum: Lives and Confessions: Body Image
By Anonymous on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 07:12 pm:

How do you girls feel about your body image? Is it good or is it bad. Do you feel influenced by the media or people around you? Do you diet or have you given up dieting and thought "Fuck it, I dont care any more" If this is the case, how do you feel and have people around you reacted negatively.
Im asking mainly because I think that women are not going to be able to go out and get on with life unless they are happy with themselves to start with. Do you constantly put things off because of the way you look or the fact it'll all be better if you loose some more weight, or that lad you fancy will take more notice of you when you're thin?
Any comments, ideas or experiences you'd like to share......

KW


By Lee on Wednesday, March 4, 1998 - 08:50 pm:

There aren't a lot of positive examples for women & body image, but as far as pop culture goes, I have 4 recommendations:

1) Rosie O'Donnell's monologue in the movie Beautiful Girls. Someone put this up on a webpage, the URL is:

http://www.lclark.edu/~ryono/monos/bgirls.html

This dialogue should be required reading for everyone, male & female. Women/girls would feel a lot better & men/boys would have more realistic expectations of women/girls' appearances.

2) The scenes between Joan Cusack's & Matt Dillon's characters in the movie In & Out. Not only does he tell her she was just as beautiful when she was heavier, he feeds her cheese doodles :-)

3) Circle of Friends--the book (by Maeve Binchy). While the movie's okay, the book has a better ending for the heroine. She gets to choose between 2 men instead of just ending up w/one

4) In the body image doesn't matter category, the movie Prelude to a Kiss proves that its what's inside that counts. Alec Baldwin & Meg Ryan play a newlywed couple. When the groom realizes his bride's soul has switched bodies w/an elderly wedding guest, he finds out what the relationship really means to him.

Among the many things that irritate me about body image is Hollywood. Think about it, John Candy & John Belushi played romantic leads, meanwhile any woman who doesn't fit the cookie cutter mold is limited to the "best friend/sidekick" role.

I'm a bit old to fit into the "girl" category, but for what it's worth, here's my opinion of the whole diet thing. In every office I've worked in, there's always this big thing about diets. Women don't just eat food & enjoy it. They count every calorie & give you a blow by blow description of their meals' fat content.

It gets to the point where if I'm going to eat something that isn't "good" I'll eat it outside the office. Even where I am now & that's really F***ED up because according to what some people say, one of my coworkers had a problem w/anorexia & her bones are really prone to fracture easily because of it. What the hell kind of a society is it where it's more acceptable to starve yourself to death or permanently damage your body than it is to carry around some extra weight???!!!!!

I used to be into diets, starting when I was 11 w/celery & Tab (we didn't have Diet Coke back then)for lunch. Strange thing was, none of us was overweight, I think we did it because it was a fashionable thing to do. I gave up on that about 6 years ago.

Interesting thing was, I lost quite a bit of weight once I stopped obsessing over it/dieting. I've put some of it back on now that my schedule's really busy, but aside from clothing stores that seem to hide all of the clothes over size 8/10 & the occasional bozo boy, I feel a lot more comfortable w/myself & happier.


By Anonymous on Thursday, March 5, 1998 - 09:59 am:

Lee

That Rosie ODonnell monologue is brilliant! It just shows that some people are listening to what real women think. I also love your attitude to dieting/diets. Its along the same lines as mine. Sure, Ive given up dieting so Im no longer a size 12 (Im English, so thats and 8 I think in US sizes) but Im a hell of a lot happier with myself.
I just wish that someone would tell all these girls who obsess about food that life is NOT worth starving yourself for. I wish someone had told me at age 16 when I dieted myself into illness and misery. I wasnt happier - just obsessed about the way I looked.
A life spent counting calories and denying yourself everything andhaving guilt trips about it if you dont is no life at all.

KW


By Lee on Thursday, March 5, 1998 - 10:53 pm:

I know what you mean. I used to waste portions of perfectly good beach days worrying about how I looked in a bathing suit. Now I focus on talking w/my friends (or a good book), the sun, sea & sand. It's much better & a lot more fun :-)

Since the media play a role in all of this, they can help change things. A cereal company in the US runs a commercial with men in a bar saying the things women usually say about their bodies (e.g. "I have my mother's thighs," "I just can't change my body"). Then the commercial sums up that people should be eating for good nutrition & not worry so much about body image.


By Craig on Friday, March 6, 1998 - 09:46 pm:

Yeah, but isn't that Special K, which has always been marketed as a way to lose weight? It's still a great commercial.

I wish that attitude was more common, but we still live in a world where Emme is promoted as a "plus sized" model. She's supposed to be heavy?? Please! I think "plus sized" in this case means "not skeletal".


By Lee on Saturday, March 7, 1998 - 08:53 am:

Yeah, it is Special K, but in, as you pointed out, a world where "plus sized=not skelatal" it's hard to find much in the way of positive examples.

Yesterday was "weigh-in" day at my office. Several people are in Weight Watchers. None of them are obese, yet they all talk about "how fat" they are & how much they have to lose.

I've never been to Weight Watchers myself, but apparently, they weigh everyone individually in front of the group & note if they've lost or gained. For one thing, this doesn't even take into account basics like muscle weighing more than fat, which means if someone's started to exercise, they may be losing inches, but not pounds. Also, it doesn't account for monthly fluctuations in weight.

I think we should start a Confidence Watchers. The goal would be to get people together in groups to point out how unrealistic a lot of these images are. A few years back, a woman at the gym was unfavorably comparing herself to Janet Jackson (this was when she had 1st lost weight). I pointed out Janet Jackson had the time to spend 2 hours working out, plus the money to pay for the trainer & the equipment. Meanwhile, we were trying to fit in a half-hour workout at a budget gym before we had to go to work. She'd never thought of it that way until I pointed it out & she felt better about herself.


By Jennie on Thursday, March 12, 1998 - 07:30 pm:

WOMEN AND SHAVING
I feel that the North American society has been forced to believe that unshaved legs and armpits are a bad thing and that women should feel dirty.

The fact of the matter is that many women in Europe and the rest of the world do not shave, including my self, age 23.

I feel that a new way of thinking is needed to help women battle this old idea. What do you think? Replies from both men and women would be appreciated.


By Kat on Thursday, March 12, 1998 - 09:26 pm:

I refuse to use women's shaving cream. it lasts for two shaves and then its gone and its SOO expensive! Its like a conspiracry. I quit shaving my legs about four months ago, but I have to do so when I have to wear a dress and I will in the sumer, my job being a lifeguard. I am a sophmore in higschool and everyone thinks its gross but when you think about it, shaving is so ridiculous.


By Pamelala on Friday, March 13, 1998 - 07:38 pm:

About shaving.......

Jennie, I agree that a new way of thinking is needed. Up until I was 15 I didn't shave my legs.(I'm 18 now) .....being blonde it really wasn't that big of a deal because the hair couldn't be seen all that well. . My mother always told me that it didn't matter, and that starting to shave would just cause problems and hassles that I didn't want or need. I love my mother for being so supportive, but after years of peer pressure and relentless harrassing I gave in and shaved the silly things. At the time I was young and impressionable, not strong like I am today (thankfully!). I don't shave my legs anymore, because I don't want to, simple as that. I think other women need to know that's it o.k. to do what they want, I'm thankful that my mother did that for me


By Keely on Saturday, March 14, 1998 - 06:41 pm:

Kat-
i to am a lifeguard and only shave my legs when i'm working, (mostly because if i'm in the water I hate the feel of my prickly legs brushing up against each other).
Anyway I guess this message is pretty pointless.


By Ella on Saturday, March 14, 1998 - 07:23 pm:

About Shaving... a story

I never really considered quitting shaving until a girl friend of mine let me in on a little secret. All she said was that if you want to give your mate a special treat, do the following. So I decided to try it. It was last fall, when my boyfriend was out of town on a business trip. He was gone for about three weeks, giving me time to start the growing. I stopped shaving and let my leg and armpit hairs grow. To my surprise I was able to grow an impressive amount under my pits and on my legs, being a brunnette I guess I always had a thicker volume. When that special day came I was ready and confident.

After a long flight and having not seen me for three weeks, he was eager to get close to me, and I was to him. After dinner I took him to the bedroom and we hit it off... I knew he liked what I had prepared for him as he gently caressed my leg hairs, and gorged on my armpits, licking and teasing me by circling the hair with his toung. That night I felt sensations that I had never experienced before. I never thought that my leg and armpit hair could drive me to hightened sensations when caressed... Since then, we have not turned back, four years later and at 31, every time it's a new adventure. I was very greatful to my friend who gave me that special piece of advice. Now I give you ladies the same by having shared my sensuous story. Try it, feel confident, and you will be surprised how much your special one would like it and love you for having tried it.


By Amanda on Saturday, March 14, 1998 - 08:48 pm:

I agree with you Jennie... I was a senior in highschool when I took the student exchange program to Vercelli, Italy. A town in nothern Italy was where I went to school. There, none of the school girls shaved. They would play sports and swim without ever feeling bad or different. I learned quickly to adapt to the lifestyle and giving up shaving was one of them, which I carried out easily. There was nothing wrong in what they or I were doing. After that experience I now consider shaving wierd, because hair is suppose to be on our bodies the way it was ment to be. Now a freshman in collage, I try to promote not-shaving amongst my girl friends. So far I have successfully convinced two of my friends and they too feel great.


By Que_ on Sunday, March 15, 1998 - 02:18 pm:

I don't know about all of htis....I shave because I like how it feels to have silky skin. I don't consider it a pain or anything. It's just another thing that can help me feel beautiful, providing me with silky smooth skin on my legs, instead of course leg hair. I do it because I like the results, not because society or men are forcing me to.


By Que_ on Sunday, March 15, 1998 - 06:53 pm:

ps- although I definitely understand what you mean and where you are coming from on this issue :)


By Kate on Thursday, March 19, 1998 - 02:52 pm:

Getting back to the body image/size thing: has anyone ever noticed that Barbie, and most of the models in magazines today, have a body shape that is broad at the shoulders and narrows to a small waist and skinny hips - in short, a long inverted triangle, which is a male shape. Thus, the ideal shape for a woman to be nowadays is male. Hmmm. I don't think I like where this is going...


By Que_ on Friday, March 20, 1998 - 12:48 pm:

That is so true! How frightening! It's just not fair, that those of us with womanlt bodies w/curves should feel less womanly because we don't look like the supermodels. How odd, that doesn't even really make sense if you think about it. What can we do about it though?


By Eliste on Saturday, March 21, 1998 - 05:50 pm:

oh I so sympathisize Que! those damn supermodels have us dieting and working out like crazy and making us feel like we're inadequate. and you're right. It really doesnt make sense seeing that all the men I know LIKE having a girl have breasts. In fact most tell me they'd rather have a girl who isnt thin as a bone. One who has the breasts and the curves. LOL one told me they like the cushioning... lol. Oh well. I just have decided to ignore the whole thing. If a guy doesnt like me for who I am then tough. not worth my while. I'm not in the best of shape and I dont particularly care to be. I'm happy where I am and thankfully I've found someone who likes me like I am. So as far as I"m concerned, those models can starve themselves if they wish. I'll be happily eating wonderful pie....


By Anonymous on Monday, March 30, 1998 - 11:31 pm:

I'd really like to know if any of you knows what it is like to be really fat. Not just big, or chubby, but fat. Obese. Stared at on the street fat. Crying in my salad with fat free dressing fat. I am 21 and weigh 380lbs. Sorry if that grosses anyone out, but it's true. I was 170lbs at age 11. What is wrong with me?? I don't know. I was treated at age 18 for Binge Eating disorder, but they sent me home when my insurance ran out. On my discharge papers it said, "She does not overeat any more that any other teenager." True, I don't exersize. I am too tired, exhausted. I can barely get out of bed in the morning. Yet I have a very realistic view of my body. How could I not?? All I want to say is, appreciate yourself. At least you don't weigh 380. It is a struggle every day for me not to lay in bed crying. But I get up and run around all day, I am very active in my everyday life. I forget how fat I am until I walk past a mirror. Then I can't ignore the huge flop of my stomach and breasts as they drip down my body. I can't ignore how fat my "such a pretty" face is, or how small everyone else around me is in comparison. I want to lose weight more than anything in the world. I want a boyfriend and I want to RUN!!! Anyone have any answers?? Just kidding, but I needed to vent.


By Kate on Wednesday, April 1, 1998 - 11:23 am:

Hi Anonymous

I sympathise with you and what you feel like you're going through. I am large (about 200) and come from a family of fat women. I just thought you might like to know about a couple of sites on the net for getting self esteem for fat women. A good site is at www.pencomputing.com/dim/board This will take you to the dimensions web board where there are 100's of women who post there about size and body issues. There are also 100s of men who actively seek out fat women and think they are wonderful (in some cases the bigger, the better as well!!) I have been corresponding with an English guy who e-mailed me from one of my posts on the board, and his attitude is great. Its all about accepting that diets dont work (everyone knows this but the media and medical establishment are paid not to tell us) Its NOT YOUR FAULT that you are like this, as you said, you eat no more than anyone else. So get onto the web board grrl, and knock 'em dead!!


By Kate on Wednesday, April 1, 1998 - 11:37 am:

A quick ps.....Have you ever been tested for thyroid problems? All too often the medical community washes its hands of fat women without bothering to find out WHY they are like they are. A woman I know put on 300lbs in 5 years and the doctors dismissed it. It was eventually found that she had a thyroid problem, but she was only tested after seeing an awful lot of doctors....


By Lee on Wednesday, April 1, 1998 - 07:49 pm:

Doctors do tend to miss thyroid problems, one of my co-workers was misdiagnosed & went through a lot of problems, 'til she changed drs.

Anon,

You mentioned salads, maybe dieting is making your body think it's starving. Dieting can actually make people gain weight because their bodies think they're starving & try to conserve energy. I stopped dieting because I'd diet/then binge, diet/then binge. I was also irritable. I felt much better (emotionally & physically) when I stopped & even lost some weight.

Have you seen a nutritionist? It's not about "good" eating versus "bad" eating. It's about eating food that will make you feel energetic and strong.


By Que_ on Thursday, April 2, 1998 - 07:01 pm:

Anoretics/anorexics and bulemics should read "Wasted" by Marya Hornbacher. I don't have an eating disorder, but I was interested in knowing more about it. And this book totally opened my eyes about the whole thing. It's really an unbelievable book. And I found out that the book can also be gotten in audio (you know, like a book-on-tape)- and get this, the author actually reads it. And the book is a sort of autobiography of the author, so you really get pure and raw emotion.


By Jennie on Tuesday, April 7, 1998 - 07:15 pm:

Back to Women and Shaving...

I would like to thank all of you that responded. I have been doing a little research of my own and for those of you who may be interested, I plan to open up a web page, still under its development stages will most likey be completed by early june.
If any of you have any suggestion or experiences on this issue, I would love hear from you. So, please feel free to write to me at jennie_apple@yahoo.com

Thank You


By Deborah on Monday, April 13, 1998 - 10:26 pm:

Phew !! good to be here!! My first time for posting !!! I came here to get empowered and wondered if you would like to help me out !!
I was doing some research on Sweden and i brought up this site to look at the nice scenery... and i think "ok nice.... nice place to visit..." So i scroll down some more after looking at these lovely "11" pics and there is a page called "beautiful girls" well , i checked it out and i was disgusted!! it was five pages ..... five fucken pages of galleries of anorexic white female models or famous superstars!!! it was blantant sexist and racist (some double standards) Anyway most of the guest book entries are in swedish or other so i didn't understand it .....but there were a few in english .... So i took it upon myself to write this guys site ... i doubt very much if it will get added.... So if any of you women with mouths and minds (unlike these women who don't talk back, the kind these men like) would like to write this site to make a point .... or if he just dosen't get it at least to annoy him, here is the address! http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-275941lidkoping.html
I am an artist and most of my work centers around body image , homophobia , etc .
I too have suffered with eating disorders and body image shit !!! It is such a brain washing !!! (Excuse me while i eat another chocolate easter egg!!)!LOL
thanks i needed the rant !!


By AprilStarchild on Tuesday, April 14, 1998 - 01:57 pm:

About hairy legs:

I quit shaving last September. At first it was meant to be a temporary thing: It's toocold to wear my halter tops and shorts, so now I get to be lazy. Well, I never did getaround to shaving them again. At first I was all worried: "people are gonna see myhair and get grossed out." But I went swimming at a local pool last week and didn'tgive a second thought to it once I had my suit on. Nobody said anything about the hair on my legs or armpits. My parents, however, think it's the most disgusting thing on Earth. My dad used to tell me to shave my pubic hair, too, so it wouldn't stick outof my suit, but I REFUSED to do it even then....because it itches too much whenit grows back. Besides, it's a natural, human place to have hair. Even if some is poking out of my suit, so what?? The people around are just gonna have to deal with it. And my boyfriend doesn't mind one bit. He just rubs my legs and says, "oooh, fuzzy.

:)


About weight issues:
I was skinny as a rail for a LONG time. When I was in 8th grade I had people come up to me, grab me by the wrist, and ask me straight out if I was anorexic. No, I wasn't.And not only that, but I ate tons and tons of the most unhealthy food all the time.And I hated it. It's one thing to be normal, it's another to have people ask you allthe time what diet you're using or if you're bulimic or tell you "you're so skinny!" I couldn't fit into Juniors clothes until I hit tenth grade. I had to wear clothes from theGirls' Dept. I didn't start growing taller until all of my other friends had their periods.Also, I've had moderate acne since I was ten. In other words, my body image was never very good. Me and a friend who was overweight used to joke that we were goingto get surgery so half of her extra weight would be put on me, and then we'd both bea normal size. For the past few years, however, I have finally started gaining weight. I am 5'3" and run from 115 to 120 lbs, a size 8. I finally love my body. I'm on a birth control pill now that put me in the 120lb range (before I was always around 110lbs) and has helped get rid of my acne. When my dad pointed out that I had a little bithanging over the waistband of my jeans, I just laughed, and thought, Finally! I'm almost normal!

Being skinny is almost as bad as being fat. You get stared at constantly, and everyonewatches what you eat, and people are always making insensitive comments. So evenif you are overweight, PLEASE don't EVER say, "Oh, I wish I was as skinny as you!"because chances are, they're not too happy.

By Demeter on Tuesday, April 14, 1998 - 07:11 pm:

April Star Child
Your comments about hair is so well put ..." it is there and a natural place to have it "... i don't shave any of the above !!! But if i ever feel like it , i want it to be cause that is what i want !! and not what anyone else says i should be doing !!
Thank- you for your thoughts on skinny women... I appreciate the insite ....
It is true that in our society, women big or small are taught to never be satisfied with our bodies... we are taught that there is always something that is not right with us ..... It is the way Big companies/corporate industries make their money ..... by messing with our self esteem as far as our bodies are concerned !! It is a brainwashing ... Well they had me in the past but, i fight to own my own mind and thoughts today !!! I don't need someone telling me how i should look!!! or think!!!!


By DEMETER on Tuesday, April 14, 1998 - 07:16 pm:

April Star Child
By the way i am deborah and my new user name is now Demeter.... i posted yesterday (,monday) for the first time..... This is so good a place to vent and feel validated .... *SMiLES*


By Jack on Saturday, April 25, 1998 - 12:27 pm:

Is this environment only for grrls?

about Shaving...

Anyway, I am a guy and I find unshaved arm pits of girls and ladies very attractive. As a matter of fact, my girl friend does not shave her armpits and I think thats very very sexy! One reason I was attracted to her was because of her free spirit and the love to show her true natural self.

Later grrls.


By Out-for-kicks on Monday, May 4, 1998 - 11:19 am:

I totally understand where everyone is coming from, but I wish it was as simple as all that. If you're in Italy or wherever, maybe it's OK, but I would feel seriously uncomfortable walking down the street in the summer with thick hair protruding from my arm pits. And what about the bikini line? Is it just as acceptible in Europe to have that on full view? But the leg hair thing? What is the point in that? It's not as though it's totally noticable, and we don't shave our arms do we? Or do we? Ladies?


By Deborah (Crazemink) on Tuesday, May 5, 1998 - 05:17 pm:

To Out-for-kicks...

I think you have to decide for yourself what is comfortable, and what's not. What kind of attention do you feel comfortable handling? Personally, I decided that it was too painful and time in-efficient to shave my arms & legs on a regular basis. If anyone asks (they rarely do), I just laugh and say "I'm too lazy to shave, it hurts, and I have better things to do". I do keep my bikini-line trimmed, however *shrug*, and if I'm wearing sheer nylons and a sleeveless fancy dress, I shave my legs and trim my underarm hair close with a beard-trimmer, so as to affect a sleeker look. But it's all my own preference. As it should be for you as well. Do what feels comfortable... to shave or not to shave is a feminist issue, but only because women should have a choice, and not be "punished" for how they style themselves. All is MHO, of course...


By Laurel on Thursday, May 14, 1998 - 09:13 pm:

I have an okay body image but it has been a struggle to get to that. I used to try not to eat any junk food at all so I would lose weight and I used to hide under baggy shirts all the time because I was too curvy. And I was just miserable about how I looked in general. Now I still try to eat healthy things like milk but I feel okay about Cherry Coke and chocolate too. Life is too short not to enjoy food. I exercise, not to lose weight but because it makes me feel strong and healthy and happy (endorphins I think). I used to think I couldn't wear tight shirts because I had big breasts but now I think I look good in them. I sometimes still want to lose five or ten pounds but I know too that it won't really improve my life or who I am as a person. I sometimes don't like my naturally round stomach but this is the body I have and I try to remember that disliking it is futile and a waste of time. I could be writing a poem or something instead.


By Lee on Thursday, May 14, 1998 - 10:38 pm:

Laurel,

Your attitude is the best!!! Too bad "women's magazines" aren't promoting your attitude. It'd be much better than the silly nonsense they do promote :-)


By Laurel on Monday, May 18, 1998 - 08:20 pm:

Thanks! The worst thing is when the magazines tell you to love your body the way it is and then on the next page they tell how to lose ten pounds fast.


By Keely on Monday, May 18, 1998 - 09:11 pm:

I think of myself as curvy... i am not fat.... i am not skinny.... but people seem to have a problem with that.... like all people are one or the other.
I find that older generations especially have trouble with this. My mother is always constantly asking if i am on a diet.... She wants me to be comfortable with my body image.... yet every couple weeks when i am just not hungry she asks if i am dieting...
My grandmother labels everyone.... "that skinny girl", "that larger girl", "that plump girl".... and their is no "that girl with a normal weight".
My sister is as tall as me and probably 20 pounds thinner... no big deal right? At least it shouldn't be.... except our society is teaching us that because she is a size 6 and i am a size 10 that i am the one with a weight problem.... It doesn't make sense to me.... Half my friends are under-weight and constantly call each other fat, (jokingly of course). The thing is how does that make me feel?
I guess i am being selfish here....


By Brandy on Monday, May 25, 1998 - 02:48 am:

Put your friends on the spot.

"Excuse me, if you think you're fat, then what the hell am I?!"

They'll stop (worked for me), and more important they'll start to think, which they obviously aren't now.

And never ever stop believing you are just spectacular the way you are. Then when you get older you wont have to look back and regret all the time you wasted being miserable about something so shallow. There is a great quote from Harrison Ford in a new movie coming out (forgot the name) which I'm probably going to totally butcher but here goes...He's talking to the editor of one of those fashon magazines. "Ten Ways To Get a Man, huh? Let me give you a little tip: there's just one way to get a man--SHOW UP.
We're not picky. We're MEN. We're EASY!"

If I had just realized that when I was younger I could have focused my attention on a lot more important things--like telling my parents just where they could stick their traditional plans for MY life! >:)


By IceMaiden on Monday, May 25, 1998 - 07:23 am:

Hey, i think that everyone is entitled to do whatever they feel comfortable with. If you shave your legs that's fine and if you don't that too is fine. It's the same with peoples weight, both fat and thin r good. And as for the guy side of things, let them think what they want, it's your life and your body!


By Sunshine on Thursday, September 17, 1998 - 06:02 pm:

I think the whole thing is stupid about how all these teenage girls starve themselves,i'm not saying everybody does but i know alot of people that do.Like i have a friend who won't eat in front of her boyfriend cause she thinks if she eats in front of him that he will think she is a pig.But he would never say that she just thinks that.And then she felt like she had to lose weight to please herself and everybody else.She starved herself,eatin like just a little bit each every day.She was never fat,or chubby,or anything close to it,she was normal,even a little on the skinny side.That for was like six months and she lost like alot of weight,like 10 pounds or something,but that still was alot of weight since she didn't weigh much in the first place.Talked to some of my other friends who are also her friends and they say that it was good she starved herself,if she had to not eat,to lose the weight,
then that was a good way.I completely disagreed with them.I don't think u should starve yourself just to lose weight to please yourself and everyone else.Its like unhealthy to do that.Every one else's opionons????
***Sunshine***


By Thora on Thursday, October 1, 1998 - 12:49 pm:

I used to be so obsessed with being hairless that I shaved every day, and I even shaved my arms, because I thought they were abnormally hairy. Now I shave my armpits only once a week, and nothing else, and much to my surprise, I don't look like an ape! I don't understand the why women are expected to shave. Men are a million times hairier than we are, and they're allowed to be proud of all that hair, while women are supposed to be ashamed of a bit of fuzz on their legs. And what about eyebrow-plucking? I must admit, I do that too. Maybe I'll stop.


By MeG on Tuesday, October 6, 1998 - 09:14 pm:

I think for eyebrow plucking it just matters how big your eyebrows are and what color.Like if u have light ones u really don't need to,but if u dark and thick ones u should.Well,u don't have to,but it looks so much better if u did.I think there is nothing wrong with a little hair on legs,ect.;but alot of hair like how much guys have i think that is nasty.Thats just my opionon,there is nothing wrong with a little hair though.
*MeG*


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