"We fight for people's lives in here (the operating room), right?"\
if all of our lives had been pre=ordained, then the "higher power" God would already have known that we would survive in the end. however, if God had decided that we should die at a particular time, then no matter how hrd docters and machines work, we would still die. it doesn't not make us Gods. we can help people, but we cannot decide that a person should live or die just because we want them too. it all makes sense in my head, but i can't write out the corret words.
ok yes I can see that. But if he wanted them to live anyway why would he give them a heartattack or let them bleed out or give them an arythmia shortly after surgery? The thing is that we DO decide whether a person dies or not to some degree. CPR, heart surgery, transplants, blood transfusions; all those are designed to keep us alive at all costs. If a person's heart has stopped working I would think that is a clear indication that God is wishing them to die. So if that is the case, then isnt keeping them alive a sin? We're going against what God wills....anyway... just some more thoughts
My father just had very serious heart surgery. Years ago, people in his condition would have died. I don't beleive in god, but if I did, I would think that if he really wanted someone to die, it would happen. If fate exists I don't beleive you can escape it.
Or maybe God doesn't actually make us die. I believe that he created Adam and Eve, and when they sinned they were on their own. Then we were born, and what we do and when we die is up to our bodies and the things they went through and the diseases they got.
k yes I see your point. But if God doesnt want us to die then why do we? If He didnt want us to die at that point in time why would our bodies give out? He is supposedly all powerful after all...
Could it beeeeeee....... SATAN!?!?!!? (hee hee... church lady....)
satan didnt make Eve take that apple!
Shampoo, it's really too bad that you had to put that! (About not getting beaten up for your beliefs). I think that people get a bad association with Christians because of a select few, then they assume that they're all like that. I used to think that all Christians would hate me cause I was bi, (trust me I had reason to believe!), but I met someone who didn't, and I realized that I had been wrong to judge everyone like that. This has nothing to do with the topic, it just bugged me that you had to put that in your message. :)
Yah, well, it seems then whenever I bring up the bible in a discussion about something, I'm usually the only one who believes in it, and some people aren't all that nice about it, either. I remember once I was in this chat room and we were talking about God and stuff, and there were a few people on my side, but a lot on the no such thing as God side. Some *loser* even had the nerve to say that I was a disgrace to canada for believing in God, as if it was a BAD thing!! That made me *so* mad! And there are a few people in that homosexuality discussion were totally against my beliefs, so I just thought I should add in that "don't eat me alive" statement, just in case. You never know.
Oh, and Satan did have a part in Eve's eating the fruit. He told her that if she ate the fruit she would become just like God, knowing good and bad and that she "positively will *not* die", and that's why she ate the fruit.
satan didnt, the snake did. And it never said that the serpant was satan as far as I know
I think that people die because it just couldn't be any other way. God couldn't have made us the perfect way He wanted to if he had made our bodies more resistant. Like the problem of evil- there is evil because we have to have free choice. It's so hard, though! How do you stop the evil people when they are willing to commit any violence? I do think that there are angels that help out as much as they can, but I don't think they can help beyond a certain point that makes things the way they have to be. I think that we are all heading towards a great culmination, and that it all had to be this way to get there somehow. We have to do more to stop evil! J
"Yeah."
"Ever wonder who or what we're fighting?" -City of Angels
I'm intrigued. Let's assume there is a power out there whether we call it God or not. If in fact we are fighting for people's lives, prolonging lives that have been ordained over, is that not wrong? Does it make us gods in our own rights at least for a bit, for who but a god, or whatever other power exists, can give life?
I'd just like some opinions...
By HappyFace on Sunday, April 26, 1998 - 07:56 pm:
By Eliste on Sunday, April 26, 1998 - 08:17 pm:
Eliste
PS I'm definitely playing devil's advocate here just so you know
By Kat on Sunday, April 26, 1998 - 09:34 pm:
By Shampoo on Thursday, April 30, 1998 - 08:27 pm:
Doctors aren't going against God. God did give us brains and the ability for making technology and everything, and it's those discoveries that lead them to prolong life. God gave us life, which is a precious gift, and he wants us to live it as long as possible. (this has nothing to do with being hooked up on tubes for months, living in pain. that's an entirely different topic, I'm talking about living happily.)
By Eliste on Sunday, May 3, 1998 - 06:28 pm:
By Shampoo on Wednesday, May 6, 1998 - 06:47 pm:
The reason we die (on a religious point of view, anywayz), is cuz God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree, or they'd die. They ate, and so their eternal life was taken from them, and we die.
That's what the bible says, anywayz. But this topic *is* called "medical profession and GOD", so I thought it fit. DON'T EAT ME ALIVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE!!!
thank you.
By Eliste on Wednesday, May 6, 1998 - 11:20 pm:
lol
By Shannon on Thursday, May 7, 1998 - 02:06 pm:
By Shampoo on Saturday, May 9, 1998 - 05:01 pm:
By Shampoo on Saturday, May 9, 1998 - 05:11 pm:
By Eliste on Sunday, May 17, 1998 - 03:50 pm:
By Rebecca on Tuesday, November 3, 1998 - 12:43 am: