:o)
Hey Snowpaws,
Hello Animal Lover..:o)
Snowpaws,
Animal Lover,
Your Welcome. Ive always loved all animals, so I love to try to help them. I'll write back later and give you some more sites. How did you like "The Intrigue of the Cat!"?
Hey all,I have this comment on *animal rights*.
You have a point, Anonymous - there are so many problems in the world, sometimes it's hard to concentrate on just one. Should you donate money to animal abuse or cancer research? Spend time trying to stop child abuse or stop sweatshops? There's a lot of suffering in the world, but it seems to me that animal abuse is just as valid as any of it.
yeah, i agree. everything's connected to everything else. go vegan.
I don't eat red meat, but it's not because of the whole cruelty to animals thing - I just don't like it.
:*(
Hi Shampoo,
shampoo, hi.
Jane, you do have a good point, and I see where you're coming from. Not all meat and milk animals are raised in big, corporate farms, though. My grandma raises cows for meat and lemme tell you, they get treated better than a lot of people's pets do. Yes, they do get killed, by a huge hammer type thing that comes down and hits them in the head. This seems like a lot better way to die than some *people* do... not to digress into other issues, but I'd rather get hit in the head with a hammer than rot away in a hospital for months and months. I guess there's no way to tell if your Big Mac was raised in a big factory farm or by somebody's Grandma, it's just something to think about.
Hmmm.
Thank you, Shannon!!
:*(
Well hello Shampoo,
:*(
I have been a vegan for 2 months straight now and I am darn proud of it. But my friends always make fun of me and try to tempt me with a burger and things. I haven't given in yet, but it's getting really hard for me. What should I say???? Please help!!!!!!! Thanx!:-)
Hey!
I've been a veggie on and off (mostly on) since I was 15 (4 yrs), and I don't even miss most meat anymore. It's easy once you're used to it, and, once you've done it for a year or so, the *idea* of eating meat is gross. A ham sandwich doesn't look like lunch to me anymore; it looks slimy and disgusting, and the smell of hamburger grosses me out.
I've been a vegetarian for about 2 months now. I was a vegan for the 1st month, but I couldn't take it, so I decided to step down to just eating dairy and fish. I've still got some moral issues to straighten out, but until then, I'm sticking to my current diet. I try as best as I can to buy toiletries and cosmetics not tested on animals, however, I know for a fact that I would not be alive today if it wasn't for animal testing and products in medicine, and that probably goes for most of you. Two comments on past posts:
I've been a vegetarian since Jan. 1998. It was hard making the switch at first, especially since the college cafeteria doesn't offer many meatless main courses, but stick with it long enough and you'll lose your craving for meat. I'm now at the point where I don't feel I'm missing anything when I opt for vegetables.
Elisabeth, I am the same way. I have nightmares once in a while that I eat half a hamburger before I realize what I'm doing. It's horrible! I can't understand how everyone can walk around in such a stupor! They all shut a part of their minds off because it's easier that way.
i am a vegan who has a problem with the PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). i may not support the consumption of animal products, but i don't go around harrassing people when i see them eating hamburgers and whatnot. in my opinion, all the information about meat, dairy, and the treatment of animals should be available to people, and should not be so obscure, like much of it has been in the past. but i am against all of that in-your-face protesting, because people are more likely to be highly annoyed rather than agreeable if you yell at them or flash protesting signs in their faces as they step up to the hotdog stand. they'll be about as compliant as the average insecure teenager who is subject to incessant ranting by adults about the evils of smoking.
Hey! I just wanted to start a conversation about animal rights. Lately I have felt deeply affected when I learn of animals being harmed by humans. It makes my heart feel like it's going to explode...:o( Everyone pray for the Yellowstone wolves!!!! (Please)...:o)
By Animal Lover or Sobriquet on Monday, April 13, 1998 - 07:03 pm:
If you want I can give you some site addresses of "Stop the Cruelty" sites (animals). I know quite a few that you can sign the "Stop the Cruelty to Animals" Guestbooks!! If you want to know them tell me right here.
Bye 4 now.
By Snowpaws on Wednesday, April 15, 1998 - 12:25 am:
I would love those linx! I am constantly searching for information on cruelty inflicted upon animals.
Thanx, Snowpaws.
By Animal Lover or Sobriquet on Wednesday, April 15, 1998 - 04:54 pm:
Hi!! I'm glad your interested in "Animal Rights" sites. Now I can tell someone my sites (I found) that helps animals. Below (at bottom) is the first site I found (the others are hidden somewhere on my favorites, I still have to find them.) Anyway, It is a "cat" site, but this girl loves animals, and helps them.
You just scroll down the site and click on one of the cat banners. One says "Please visit this site and help Ladylynx in her fight for humane treatment of all cats--domestic and exotic." another one says "Click the above banner to get an insight into the inhumane treatment of the feral cat population of Australia".
Now maybe you can find them, and can visit as many as you want. I think their is like 5 banners on this topic that you can click on. The sites called: "The Intrigue of the Cat!"
More later. Animal Lover a.k.a. Sobriquet
P.S. I just colored the important stuff in my message. Also, sorry I couldn't make the address so that you can just click on it and go their (I can't do that, but just type it in.)
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/7631/purrs.html
By Snowpaws on Friday, April 17, 1998 - 12:31 am:
Thank you, that is really sweet of you. I'm glad there is someone out there who cares about animal rights as I do. A lot of people make fun of me because of my constant concern.
~In an animal's eyes----hope for the universe~
Thanks again,
Snowpaws
By Sobriquet or Animal Lover on Friday, April 17, 1998 - 04:24 pm:
Bye, Sobriquet or Animal Lover
By Ickygrrlgerms on Saturday, April 18, 1998 - 04:30 am:
"Ooh! I feel so ashamed to be a Newfoundlander," my mother said today after watching our local news and viewing the newest footage on the seal hunting and the cruelty that goes on. They had thought that one of the ships involved with this horedous incident was from Prince Edward Island, but they were wrong and said today it was from Newfoundland. Uggh!blow to the stomach and all.
I found it difficult to describe the feeling when I watched that video this morning, to look at human beings committing such barbaric acts us unbelievable, to add to that, to do it in front of an audience, in front of a helicopter hovering overhead with people on board with cameras on board, to me leaces a question to be asked. Were those individuals insane, totally demented, mindless, or were they paid to do it.
It doesn't really make me ashamed to be a Newfoundlander because I think you should be proud of where your from not matter how small the fishing village you live in is or how well educated you mayor. What I am ashamed of is those people like "that" who don't stop to think of what they're doing when they're clubbing the seals over the heads then gutting them when the semi-concious [not spelt right] and dragging them across the ice. Thats what makes me ashamed..ashamed that such barbarians could be apart of the human race when they're literally no better than "what the cat dragged in".
Anyhow I am all for "Stop the Cruelty" and any other pro-animals rights group/movement thing, and seeing as the topic of this discussion is animal rights then I figured all that blab belonged here. Also I've a few links which are pretty decent dealing with Animal Rights.
If it has legs,
Let it run
If it has wings,
Let it fly
If it has a heartbeat
Let it LiVE
ickygrrlgerms
LiNKS
Feminists for Animal Rights- dedicated to ending all forms of abuse against women and animals.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals -
believes that animals are not ours to eat, wear, perform experiments on, or use for entertainment.
Animal Rights -written by a student of Northfield Mount Hermon and is dedicated to making people aware of the problem between humans and non-human animals.
Animals' Agenda - bimonthly magazine dedicated to informing people about animal rights and cruelty-free living
Richmond Animal Rights Network - vegetarianism, and the elimination of cruelty to animals.
Save Animals From Exploitation (SAFE) - non-profit animal welfare organisation dedicated to establishing the rights and improving the lives of animals by educating, changing lifestyles and exposing cruelty wherever it occurs.
In Defense of Animals -national animal advocacy organization dedicated to ending the institutionalized exploitation and abuse of animals by defending their rights, welfare and
habitat.
By Anonymous on Monday, April 20, 1998 - 11:01 am:
A lot of people talking about emancipation and human rights,don't think any further than their own kind.
For example: if you still use meat and dairy products,you're participating in rape and murder,
if it's not acceptable to abuse humen why should it be acceptable to abuse animals!!!
P.C: pacifist
By Shannon on Monday, April 20, 1998 - 03:07 pm:
By Jane on Tuesday, April 21, 1998 - 11:07 am:
By Shampoo on Tuesday, April 21, 1998 - 04:25 pm:
I don't think that eating meat or dairy products are wrong - as long as the animal has been delt with in a humane way, and nothing is wasted. I'm totally against killing an animal just for it's fur, even if the animal is *farmed* for that purpose. *That* is cruelty to animals. So is abusing an animal or doing scientific experiments on it or training it to be a killer.
Also, we shouldn't forget about the endangered species. Part of cruelty to animals is taking away their environment and sticking them in zoos.
By Snowpaws on Tuesday, April 21, 1998 - 11:46 pm:
By Lady_die on Wednesday, April 22, 1998 - 10:36 am:
Don't get angry about this comment now,but I have to say that it IS wrong to eat meat and dairy products.
In the first place it is not good for your health:
think of all the hormones and other chemical shit
in it.
Second: I don't think we have the right to take another life,not from humen AND not from animals.
You said you don't like red meat. Why not?
Does it remind you to much of the animal it once was? Do you prefer to close your eyes when you eat a MacDonalds hamburger and pretend
it grew on a tree.
Hey Shampoo!!! You're on the right way,now
MAKE THE CONNECTION!!!!!!!!
THis is not only pointed at you,but at alot of other people who KNOW it is wrong,but who can't make the connection between their plate
at home and the cruelty of animal slaughter.
I just had to say that.
Lady Die
By Jane on Wednesday, April 22, 1998 - 11:10 am:
you wrote (paraphrasing here) that you don't see anything wrong with eating meat and dairy products as long as the animal was treated in a humane way--well, the fact of the matter is that these animals are not living with any quality of life (factory farms, for example), and their deaths are somewhat less than "humane" (bolt-guns). from birth to their slaughter they live in torturously confining pens, standing in their own crap, and are most likely being fed a mixture of the carcasses of their diseased and rotting friends and chemicals(good also for you and me!). dairy producing animals are mechanically raped over and over again to keep up population & milk productivity. it all sounds like a fun time until they make the ole trip to the slaughterhouse. fun! sorry to sermonize here. i'm new! but if you want to find out more, good books to read are jon robbins(once heir to the baskin robbins fortune, now vegan)"diet for a new america", "factory farming" and/or "animal liberation" by peter singer. and a helluva good book, which discusses the link between feminism and animal rights "the sexual politics of meat" by carol adams. sorry to go on for so long. hope i wasn't too annoying.
By Shannon on Friday, April 24, 1998 - 04:02 pm:
By Snowpaws on Friday, April 24, 1998 - 10:41 pm:
Humanity....? Humans confuse me all together, doesn't anyone see the fullness in the eyes of an animal that cries out in complete knowing and understanding? They know something we don't, think of thier complete nature...
Real intelligence does not associate with harmful concequence in any form, real intelligence swells in nature. Has anyone observed "human intelligence"? A dominating amount of the subjects we consider "intelligent" and take pride in are full of painful concequence...has real intelligence past through our nature?
By Shampoo on Friday, April 24, 1998 - 10:58 pm:
Lady Die and Jane - people have been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years. For some, meat is one of the main things to eat. Take the Inuit for example. All they eat is whale this and seal that. Are they *wrong* then? Oh, maybe they should stop eating animals, and die? I think that if humans have lived on meat for so long, that i'm not one to say that it's right or wrong, and neither are you.
Oh, and by the way, I told you I didn't eat red meat. That would mean that I d.o.n.t eat h.a.m.b.u.r.g.e.r.s at mcdonalds. See the connection? The reason I don't is because it's too heavy for me, and when I eat too much of it I feel heavy and tired, and so I don't eat it.
Oh, and if I can remember my words (easy because they're right up there). I said that eating meat isn't wrong as long as the animal has been treated right. That means that I'm quite aware of the things that go on in animal farm thingies. I said "as long as they were treated right", but then you came along and said that most of them weren't, which is wrong. *I already knew that*, didn't i say that before? I am totally against cruelty to animals, but like Shannon pointed out, not all of them are treated that way, you just hafta know where to get the good stuff.
Meat is a good source of protein, and you know what? *a lot* of people eat it. Me includeded.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that you have your beliefs and are eating healthy. But other people have other oppinions, and that's okay.
I eat meat and I'm healthy.
By Snowpaws on Saturday, April 25, 1998 - 01:21 am:
By Lady_die on Wednesday, April 29, 1998 - 10:56 am:
God,I don't know where to start.
Everytime I say to somebody I am a vegan and that meat eating is something very bad for a human body, they say the same as you.
"Inuit also eat meat......"
YES,I know that. THey don't have a choice,
but WE DO!!!! Second:their meat isn't full with hormones.......
OK,you have to start doinfgyour homework....
Humen haven't been eating meat for thousands
of years....only the last 50 or 60 years (after world war 2) we started
eating meat in the way we do now.
before that mankinds diet was 15% or less meat.
This meat came from dead animals they mostly found.
For a human body it's better to eat vegetables,fruits and nuts. Why do you think so many americans have so manyweight problems?
Not because they eat so much healthy vegetables. I am not american but European.
Here restaurants like MacDonalds are less popular than in the USA. read in the statistics:people in Europe are less fat.
And for Shannon,
I DO know for sure that MacDonalds meat comes from a big factory...(I go there every once in a while to keep up with the cruelties going on there)
I have been in such factories from this multinational,and it's also a fact that they (McDonalds) caused BSE.
xoxo
Lady die
By Snowpaws on Wednesday, June 3, 1998 - 11:37 pm:
By Help me on Thursday, July 23, 1998 - 03:57 pm:
~~~ANIMALS HAVE FEELINGS TOO~~~
By Care on Sunday, July 26, 1998 - 12:17 pm:
I'm glad there's finally a discussion about animals and their rights and stuff. I hate it when I'm in school and some kids are talking behind me about the stuff they did to their animals and they think it's soo funny. Like putting their cat in the dryer or microwave! How could anyone even DO that??? I just wanted to scream at them!!! Whenever anyone is abusing their animals even in small ways, it really upsets me. I have lots of pets at my house, and i could never even imagin doing anything to hurt them. I did a speech about animal cruelty for my speech class. But it didn't seem to help becuase when I was done they just all started on about what they did do their pets and laughed about it. They just don't take it seriously. It's like they have no feelings or something. I'm just glad that there are some laws in the US to punish people who abuse their animals. But most of it goes unseen and many don't get caught...
I refuse to take a side on the eatting meat business you're talking about here. I believe that no matter what- people are still going to eat meat and people are not going to eat meat. I don't want to offend anyone so I won't say how I feel.
Care :)
By Elisabeth on Friday, August 7, 1998 - 11:32 am:
By Ultraviolet on Wednesday, October 28, 1998 - 01:59 am:
1)Anon April 20, 1998 and Shannon: Of course animal rights are important, but shouldn't you be helping your own species(human rights) before you help animals? That lion in the african jungle may seem harmless and innocent, but it sure wouldn't think twice about killing you to feed their lion cubs.
2)Lady Die: I don't know where in Europe you're from, but in most of the world, it snows during the winter. And a lot of food doesn't grow during the winter. Sure there are a few plants that grow, and one can always store wheat, but there are only so many potatoes and the most stable food income is animal meat. Same goes for droughts, floods, and crop failures-which I'm sure there were plenty of BEFORE World War II-the only food people can almost always rely on is meat. Also, my mother is French and I have many aunts, uncles, and cousins living in France. They eat just as much meat as Americans, in my opinion. True, they are leaner than some of the "sterotypical americans" whom you associate with all americans, but since I'm not a sociologist, I'm not going to make any assumptions on that.
Thank you
By Atarigrrl on Thursday, October 29, 1998 - 11:53 pm:
Big stumbling blocks:
---fast food. Try Subway, Mr. Subb, Little Caesars, anywhere that offers vegetarian/vegan main courses.
---eating at someone's house. It shouldn't offend them if you explain you don't eat meat. Make sure they know that they won't have to cook another main course, because you can eat the side dishes.
---restaurants. If no vegetarian main course is offered, piece together a meal out of side dishes. Depending on the restaurant, this will either cost a lot less or a lot more than if you had ordered a main course.
---desserts. Not eating meat often leaves you feeling less full (digesting meat takes longer). Don't fill that "space" with extra desserts or you will gain weight.
---labelling food. The cafeteria often forgets to label their soups, and I'll get split pea or lentil and find meat in it. Ick. If there's a meal advisory board, go to a meeting and ask for vegetarian/vegan stickers on the labels. Make sure the cafeteria folks know that vegetarians (in the strictest sense) don't eat fish or chicken either.
---nutrients. Most importantly, make sure you're getting the nutrients you need. Two family members became anemic and I realize that I myself had been guessing on what I got from what foods. You should read a book that gives nutrient listings from various vegetarian foods.
By Rebecca on Tuesday, November 3, 1998 - 12:36 am:
Shampoo, the human intestinal system and body are herbivorous. Meat rots in the intestines. That is why eating meat is a major cause of stomach, intestinal, and colon cancer. Our bodies are made to eat vegetables.
I've been thinking about all of this for a few years since I became vegetarian, and I still don't have it figured out.
What do you think everyone?
1. If we stop eating eggs and milk, what will happen to cows and chickens? And what will happen to pigs when people stop eating them? That is the worst to me, that people eat pigs, because they are so smart!
2. How can we make sure that people spay and neuter their pets so that none will be euthanized anymore?
3. How can we stop hunters when they are the ones with guns?
I have a couple of theories that also may sound crazy to you all, but I think that maybe they will happen someday-
1. All humans will move under the earth, with doorways leading out to the outdoors. We will take all of the rubble, buildings, and cities with us underground. We will let the earth revert to a natural state, and come up and walk as a friend with the animals. Because you know, when houses are built, sometimes squirrels and baby birds in the trees die. If we all lived underground and worked underground and just walked on the earth for its beauty, no animals would be hurt!
2. This is the second theory that is not as good as the first-
All animal populations would be closely monitored by good humans, and any starving animal would be fed, any threat of overpopulation would result in spaying and neutering (even wild animals), and hunting and carnivorism would be strictly outlawed and punishable by the staunchest of sentences. The last sentence would apply to theory one, too.
My problem is-
it is all of the idiots who abuse women and animals who have all of the weapons. How can the world be changed when they pass it on to their children and we mostly believe in non-violence? These people will not care, they will just shoot all of the just people down like they do the animals! What are we going to do!
Anyway- those are some of my recent thoughts. What do you think, everyone? J
By Thora on Monday, November 9, 1998 - 05:03 am: