Day 195 - 04 Dec 95 - Page 45
1 Q. How many times did you see or hear that actually happen?
2 A. What, with them being asked, or them working beyond
3 that time?
4
5 Q. Both.
6 A. Both -- I heard a few times them being asked about it,
7 and very frequently them actually working after those
8 hours. So, in other words, what I am saying is that if
9 somebody expressed a willingness to do closes after
10 12 o'clock, whether he was under 18 or not, he would have
11 been probably, without being asked, he would have been
12 doing the closes then frequently.
13
14 Q. I am not sure I am following that. I think my question
15 was how often did you actually experience somebody that you
16 knew to be under 18 working after the permitted hour,
17 whether it was 10.00 for girls or midnight for boys?
18 A. Very frequently.
19
20 Q. Very frequently?
21 A. Yes.
22
23 Q. Give us an idea. In a night close how many people would
24 there be generally, six, seven, something like that?
25 A. It depended on the season. If it was the time when,
26 you know, the summer period or holiday period, school --
27 people were still at school and working, and they wanted
28 to, if they were wanting to earn the money, yes, they
29 would, it would happen frequently that they would stay
30 beyond those hours.
31
32 Q. But your normal night closes, what, six or seven people
33 maybe five in a restaurant like Colchester?
34 A. Let us see. Probably, yes, five or six people, six
35 crew members.
36
37 Q. During these school holiday periods how many do you say of
38 those five, six or seven people would be under 18?
39 A. Two.
40
41 Q. Come, please, with me to the next paragraph: "One of the
42 people I referred to earlier as having worked 26 hour
43 shifts was a 17 year old girl". You told us this morning
44 that was Tracy Milleine?
45 A. That is right.
46
47 Q. Then you said: "I specifically remember that on one
48 occasion, having worked that number of hours, the girl
49 could barely stand on her feet and was close to collapse".
50 Then you go on: "As far as I know, she worked those sorts
51 of hours because she desperately needed the money. She had
52 problems at home with her parents and had to leave home and
53 support herself. Sometimes she did not want to work such
54 long hours but they would phone her up and threaten that if
55 she did not do the hours they would not offer the overtime
56 again"?
57 A. That is right.
58
59 Q. That is all based on what she told you, is it not?
60 A. No, that is based on what she told me and also what the
