Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 63


     
     1        Then we can see if it is not how it bears on the leaflet.
     2        What I need to know when we have a witness in the witness
     3        box is the extent to which you dispute any evidence which
     4        he may give us as to the extent of suffering as he
     5        perceives it.  Dr. Gregory did not just use the word
     6        "moos"; he said the cow bellows for its calf.  Is that a
     7        fair description?
     8        A.  It can be, my Lord.
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But what I need to know now is are you
    11        suggesting that it does last more than a day?
    12
    13   MS. STEEL:  As I say, I have not got my notes at the moment.
    14        I think this is a bit of problem area because, as far I am
    15        concerned, we should be entitled to express our opinions.
    16        If we happen to think that 12 hours suffering for human
    17        desires is unacceptable, we should be allowed to express
    18        that whether or not Mr. Walker does not think that is the
    19        case.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I appreciate that, but you will express it at
    22        the end of the day, do you see?
    23
    24   MS. STEEL:  Right.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You will say to me even a day is quite
    27        unconscionable and I will have to consider that.  But if
    28        you say it is not a day, it is a week or it is there
    29        forever, I need it put to the witness so I can hear the
    30        witness's response.
    31
    32   MS. STEEL:  But, with respect, I am not sure it is for you to
    33        decide whether a day is acceptable or not, because that may
    34        be in terms of your own belief but where we are talking
    35        about matters of opinion other people should be entitled to
    36        express the opinion that it is not acceptable for whatever
    37        length of time.
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not gainsaying that. I will listen to
    40        everything you say.
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I have quite lot to say on that topic, as
    43        you would expect.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Maybe, but at the moment we want to know what
    46        the factual evidence is.
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:  Well, the point I was making was Mr. Walker seemed
    49        to be accepting that the suffering of animals is inevitable
    50        for the meat industry.  Is that correct? 
    51        A.  Are you asking me a question, sorry? 
    52 
    53   Q.   As a result of the meat industry the suffering of animals
    54        is inevitable?
    55        A.  The answer to that must be yes.
    56
    57   Q.   Thank you.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  We have nearly finished for today.
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