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     2   Q.   What about the documents you saw in Costa Rica, where would
     3        they be?
     4        A.  I saw them with Rudolf Madrigal in his office.
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     6   Q.   That was the letters from Coope Montecillos?
     7        A.  That is correct.
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     9   Q.   The ones in your office, in the Oak Brook office, were they
    10        exactly the same or were they different?  Some of them were
    11        different or some were the same?
    12        A.  No, they are the same.
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    14   Q.   What about the documents you saw actually at Coope
    15        Montecillos?
    16        A.  What?  What about them?
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    18   Q.   You said you did a search at Coope Montecillos?
    19        A.  That was the forms that they used to track the
    20        animals.  They showed them to me.
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    22   Q.   What about the figures that went back 10 years, are they
    23        documents they had got at Coope Montecillos itself?
    24        A.  No, I never.  Those documents, Rudolph Madrigal showed
    25        me those documents that I went back a few years.  I do not
    26        remember the 10 years, but they went back, I mean the exact
    27        dates, but they went back a few years yes.
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    29   MR. MORRIS:  No further questions.  Thank you.
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    31                       Re-Examined by Mr. Rampton.
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    33   Q.   Can we use that as a convenient start, please, Dr. Gomez
    34        Gonzalez.  Can I remind you what you actually said, it may
    35        help remind you back in December because I do not expect
    36        you to have total recall.  On 15th December 1994, my Lord,
    37        Day 67 page 60 line 37, you were answering questions from
    38        his Lordship and I am going to read it out starting line
    39        37: His Lordship asked you this: "Your evidence is that you
    40        looked at their records and there were no records of
    41        exported beef to McDonald's in the US or for McDonald's in
    42        the US. Is that what you are saying or not?" "That is
    43        correct, yes", that was your answer.  He learned judge:
    44        "What are the McDonald's records you are saying now
    45        someone in fact kept beyond the normal three-year period
    46        which you have looked at?  What kind of records are those?"
    47        Answer: "There were signed letters from our supplier
    48        indicating that they had not exported products and they
    49        have specifically mentioned to US from their facilities to
    50        any of our suppliers, that is what they indicated." 
    51        Question: "How far did they go back?" Answer: "I do not 
    52        know how far they go back but I have seen documents that 
    53        are around 10 years old."
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    55        Would you, please, now lay hands on yellow file 14?
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    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just say what I need is a reference to
    58        where I put my copy of that.  I will hand it back, but the
    59        copy I had originally did have Mr. Simmons' writing on it.
    60        There is no anxiety; just so I can put it in my notebook.

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