Day 306 - 26 Nov 96 - Page 32


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   That is 89, is it?
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     4   MS. STEEL:   1989, yes.  Sorry. "Their ringleader appeared to be
     5        Paul Gravett, whose name and identity I knew at that time.
     6        Mr. Gravett was accompanied by Ms. Steel."
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     8        I did make the point when I gave evidence about this that I
     9        did not actually come to the picket with Mr. Gravett.  I
    10        mean, obviously, when I was there I spoke to him because I
    11        knew him.  But I did not come along with him.  The next
    12        thing is he says in his statement about observing members
    13        of the group handing out copies of the leaflet complained
    14        of, which he attaches to his statement marked T.E.C.2, and
    15        that he had seen me distributing that leaflet as well.
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    17        Now, on day 236, page 41, line 24, Mr. Rampton put a copy
    18        of the fact sheet to Mr. Carroll that had a tea stain on it
    19        and asked, "Is that the document you saw Ms. Steel
    20        distributing to members of the public?" and Mr. Carroll
    21        answered, "That or similar to it."
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    23   MR. RAMPTON:   I have to say, my Lord, tea stain was put on by
    24        me at some stage.
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    26   MR JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, well, I do not know where the tea stain
    27        came on, but...
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    29   MS. STEEL:   I was not going to say anything like I wouldn't
    30        hand out leaflets with tea stains on it anyway, but...
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    32        The point from that is that he cannot actually identify the
    33        specific copy which he claimed was being distributed by
    34        myself, or any copy which he claimed came from my hand.
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    36        Then, on 236, page 47, line 35, he was asked about the copy
    37        of the fact sheet behind his statement which had '1989'
    38        written on it, and he said that it was not written on by
    39        him.  On page 53, line 13, he went on to say that as far as
    40        he can tell that was one of the leaflets collected on that
    41        date.  But the point is that he cannot possibly tell
    42        because there is no identifying mark on it for him to be
    43        able to say positively that that was a leaflet collected on
    44        that date.
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    46        Additionally on this point, the copy which is attached at
    47        TEC2 to his statement was not collected by him.  That was
    48        day 237, page 12, line 53.  At line, page 12, line 57, you
    49        asked him a question and Mr. Carroll confirmed that
    50        everything, including the copy of the fact sheet or the 
    51        leaflet complained of, had been brought to him by somebody 
    52        else.  So he, in fact, obtained no leaflets whatsoever on 
    53        that day and, therefore, he cannot give any admissible
    54        evidence on that point.
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  As far as I am aware, TEC2, which is attached
    57        to his statement -- obviously, I have a photocopy of his
    58        statement and I have a photocopy of a sheet with appendix
    59        TEC2 on with what appears to be his signature and the date
    60        2nd June 1993; behind that I have a photocopy of the

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