Day 106 - 23 Mar 95 - Page 49
1 through the texture of the flesh, particularly the fat.
2 Cow meat tends to be dark yellow. It does take time to
3 build up yellow in fat. There are variationations in breed
4 as to yellowness, but one generally takes yellow, dark
5 yellow fat to be indicative of cow meat.
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7 Q. So when you say you cannot tell the age, were you referring
8 specifically to the difference between seven and eight
9 years or 10 and 11 years or something else?
10 A. No, you could not be that specific.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: When you said in your original statement or
13 what you have just said now which perhaps it would be
14 easier to take, "I judged it to be old cow meat", what do
15 you mean by "old" there?
16 A. Well old cows, my Lord -----
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18 Q. No, what age?
19 A. Say about five years onwards.
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21 Q. I think you had it before, but it might help me if we could
22 have a diagram which makes it quite clear to me what is
23 diaphragm and skirt as opposed to flank. Do you have such
24 a picture anywhere?
25 A. Yes, I could supply that. I am sure my textbooks ----
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27 Q. Could you bring it tomorrow?
28 A. No, it is up in Bradford, my Lord, but I could send it
29 down once I got up there.
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31 Q. You might be able to draw it overnight. If you could just
32 imagine a silhouette of a steer, for instance, with the
33 forelegs the hind legs, you could outline the forequarters,
34 outline the rear quarter, outline the flank, and outline
35 the diaphragm or skirt for me?
36 A. The diaphragm is under the lungs, you see.
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38 Q. Yes, I know, but if you could just do it so I am quite
39 clear. That is what I would have expected from human
40 anatomy, but if you can overnight just draw on a sheet of
41 paper as if you were looking at the animal from the side.
42 A. Yes.
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44 Q. As if it were standing up, and then have the sections in.
45 Would you do that?
46 A. Yes, I will attempt to do that. I think perhaps before
47 going on to McDonald's, going back to the reception bay, it
48 is worth noting that I saw the sampling apparatus in use.
49 I do not think I saw it in use, but I saw sampling the
50 apparatus and I saw the results, i.e. the drilling into the
51 bulk of combo bins to withdraw the samples, and noted it
52 was five samples drawn, and discussed briefly the nature of
53 the sampling in the laboratory which I also visited.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am conscious I have been asking a lot of
56 questions but had you not better ask him about that?
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58 MS. STEEL: Yes. Did you see the finished product testing area
59 or labs or any of that?
60 A. I saw the laboratories, yes.
