Day 169 - 04 Oct 95 - Page 22


     
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     2        If there is no problem with the grills, there is no problem
     3        there with continuing to serve food from the grills if
     4        there is a problem with the chicken vat.
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     6   Q.   The position is, is it not, that you continue to serve the
     7        products to the customers without carrying out tests
     8        provided that they did not look blatantly undercooked?
     9        A.  No.
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    11   MR. MORRIS:  The fact is, is it not, that Mr. Logan is right
    12        that the Managers or anyone else did not fill in IRFs when
    13        there were complaints about undercooking of food products?
    14        A.  No.
    15
    16   Q.   I am talking about meat products.
    17        A.  No, he is wrong.
    18
    19   Q.   The ones you sent in the post last Thursday still have not
    20        arrived, have they?
    21        A.  I do not know if they have arrived or they have not
    22        arrived.
    23
    24   Q.   The ones that have been filled in that were sent to all
    25        those four departments have not been found yet?
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    27   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord, that sort of question -----
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    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There is no point asking this.  Quite
    30        frankly, there is bad advocacy, because if at the end of
    31        this trial there are not report forms you might able to
    32        make that comment with every justification.  There is no
    33        need to make it now.  If you make it now and they turn up,
    34        you have egg on your face.  So, why not just wait and see?
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    36   MS. STEEL:   What were the incident report forms that you put in
    37        the post last Thursday?
    38        A.  There were three incidents from 1994 of alleged food
    39        poisoning.
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    41   Q.   OK.
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    43   MR. MORRIS:  Let me understand what your position is.  Are you
    44        saying that you are not aware of any complaints about
    45        undercooked meat products in 1994 or are you saying that
    46        they were never made to you?
    47        A.  I am saying -----
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    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He is saying both.  He has said both quite
    50        clearly. 
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    52   MR. MORRIS:  Are you saying that you would expect to know every 
    53        complaint that is made?
    54        A.  No, I did not say that at all.  I am saying that
    55        I probably run four shifts a week and, as the shift running
    56        Manager, I would expect to be directed to such complaints.
    57        So, like someone would, say, account for four of the 14
    58        shifts each week when problems might occur.
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    60        I can also say that there is a First Assistant in the

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