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     1        in a particular way.  I think that then leeched or went
              into the public domain, and therefore became a matter of
     2        public concern.  So I think in fact it is both.
 
     3   Q.   It works both ways?
              A.  Yes.
     4
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I suppose there is a question of funding.
     5        If something becomes a public issue then funding is more
              readily available, whether governmental or from any other
     6        sores?
              A.  Yes.  It is true, for example, that in both the United
     7        Kingdom and in Europe at the moment there are significant
              sources of funding both within the EC and within the
     8        United Kingdom to do additional measurements and
              calculations to try to quantify the effects that mankind
     9        is having on both the lower and the upper atmosphere.  One
              the things in the United Kingdom at the moment is called
    10        the Environmental Chemistry programme which has just been
              transferred to the National Environmental Research
    11        Council.
 
    12   MR. MORRIS:  In your experience, broadly speaking, in the
              scientific community what are the main sources of funding
    13        for research?
              A.  In my own area, it is either national government, or
    14        in fact national government as coming through the European
              Community.  There is very little money for this particular
    15        area which has been donated directly by industry.
              I personally am in receipt of grants from both National
    16        Environmental Research Council and from the EC, and to the
              best of my knowledge none of this is direct industrial
    17        money.
 
    18   Q.   I am going to ask you one philosophical question to finish
              up as an environmentalist.
    19
         MR. RAMPTON:  May I ask who is the environmentalist?
    20
         MR. MORRIS:  Myself.
    21
         MR. RAMPTON:  Perhaps we will hear more about that in evidence
    22        later.
 
    23   MR. MORRIS:  I am trying to think how to phrase it.  Do you
              feel that members of the public and community groups pick
    24        up signals from the scientific community about their
              concerns which may not be directly addressed in the
    25        newspapers or governmental reports or symposiums?  For
              example, I am going to take the CFCs issue: We have a 
    26        situation where we are saying that environmentalists and 
              community-based groups were calling for the abolition of 
    27        CFCs and HCFCs, there were suspicions about HCFCs, before
              scientific opinion strictly had the hard evidence.  Do you
    28        feel there is some kind of -- what is the word -- unease
              that was communicated to the public, even if it was not
    29        hard facts?  Do you feel there is some kind of
              relationship between the public and the scientific
    30        community in that way, and that is what maybe led to the
              public's perception, which turned out to be right in a

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