Day 175 - 18 Oct 95 - Page 43


     
     1        about a lot of other things?
     2        A.  We were not supposed to, but some people did discuss
     3        their pay.
     4
     5   Q.   In some sense it was a promotion, would you agree?
     6        A.  I think McDonald's would say it was, yes.
     7
     8   Q.   I am asking you whether you agree.  I am not interested in
     9        what McDonald's ----
    10        A.  I would say it probably was not.
    11
    12   Q.   Why would you say that?
    13        A.  Because you could have been fulfilling the same tasks
    14        whether you were a crew member, an ordinary crew member or
    15        a training squad member.  It would depend on how the
    16        Managers perceived you and what they felt you were capable
    17        of I suppose.
    18
    19   Q.   Are you telling us then, Mr. Whittle, that when you were in
    20        the training squad you did not train anybody?
    21        A.  I did, but so did people who were not in the training
    22        squad.
    23
    24   Q.   You did train people?
    25        A.  That is what I just said, yes.
    26
    27   Q.   You did.  Did you discharge that responsibility in a
    28        responsible way, do you think?
    29        A.  I hope so.  I tried to.
    30
    31   Q.   Have you got your copy of your first statement there in
    32        front of you?
    33        A.  Yes, I have.
    34
    35   Q.   In the second paragraph -- my Lord, I have actually
    36        numbered the paragraphs; I do not know if anybody else has
    37        -- tell me, Mr. Whittle, if I am reading the wrong
    38        paragraph but I think it is the second one:  "When
    39        interviewed for the job I was advised that McDonald's did
    40        not recognise trade unions as all problems were resolved on
    41        an individual basis", right?
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   When you saw Ms. Steel before lunch time you said, told her
    45        something like this, that the Manager said to you, "We do
    46        not have unions here because we do not need them"; is that
    47        right?  I am reading from her note.  Is that what you said
    48        to her?
    49        A.  Yes, I think that is what I said.
    50 
    51   Q.   Is this meant to mean, Mr. Whittle, that the Manager 
    52        volunteered this information about trade unions? 
    53        A.  That is what happened.
    54
    55   Q.   You went for an interview and the Manager, out of the clear
    56        blue sky, said to you, "We do not have unions here because
    57        we do not need them"?
    58        A.  That is right.
    59
    60   Q.   Had you indicated any interest in trade unions?

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