Day 184 - 06 Nov 95 - Page 55


     
     1        I never, you know, I never said, "This and this and this is
     2        wrong."  All I -- the biggest thing with me was the
     3        negotiations.  I never knew about that, and I did not think
     4        any of them had heard about that, either.
     5
     6   Q.   What I am saying is, you were one of the core group -- you
     7        and Chris Broom and Michelle Wetli -- one of the group of
     8        people who were identified as contacting other employees,
     9        encouraging them to pull out from the union, to write these
    10        kind of statements; they could pick up a John Doe form from
    11        your house, or whatever.  Having looked at just a few bits
    12        and pieces, are you disturbed that many of the people
    13        seemed to have been misinformed about what unions are
    14        about?
    15        A.  I do not think they were misinformed.  I think they
    16        just did not write it the way that, you know -- they did
    17        not use the words that they might have thought was better;
    18        you know, instead of using could have, that we could lose
    19        it, they just said we are going to lose it.  I just think
    20        -- I do not think they were misinformed at all by us.
    21        I think they just did not write it down in the proper way;
    22        and that is because me and Michelle and Chris Broom were
    23        not there to help them out to write it.  We said, "This is
    24        totally up to you.  We cannot interfere with you with this"
    25        -- just like it was totally up to them if they wanted to
    26        write a letter.  We never said they had to.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us break there and come back in five
    29        minutes' time.
    30
    31                         (Short Adjournment)
    32
    33   MR. MORRIS:  On page 11 of your statement, paragraphs 30 and
    34        31 -- I am talking about your statement for this case.
    35        A.  Right.  We had turned to the letter, so I do not know
    36        where the paragraphs -----
    37
    38   Q.   It probably will not be in that file.   The yellow one --
    39        yes.
    40        A.  OK.  What paragraph are you looking for?  I am sorry,
    41        what paragraph am I looking for?
    42
    43   Q.   Sorry, 30 and 31.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Page 11.
    46        A.  Thank you.
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  On number 30, the first sentence talks about -- it
    49        says: "Over the next 12 days" -- this is at the beginning
    50        of October -- "with the help of Chris Broom's father and 
    51        other parents, in particular Mr. and Mrs. Morris, we were 
    52        given assistance as to how to go about getting intervenors' 
    53        statements."
    54
    55        Then, in 31: "In the meantime Chris Broom had applied for
    56        legal aid on our behalf, which was turned down."
    57
    58        How did he apply for legal aid on your behalf?
    59        A.  It is -- there is a -- I am not sure what building it
    60        is in, but I think it is the courthouse in Orangeville; you

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