Day 266 - 20 Jun 96 - Page 49


     
     1        on a daily basis, the remaining half (60 per cent, in fact)
     2        has got to be very low in fat to get his average down to
     3        something like 30 or 35, very low by English standards.  If
     4        he starts off with a bowl of cereal and a cup of tea which,
     5        together, take nearly half a pint of milk he has got on
     6        board quite a lot of fat there, and so on.
     7
     8        So, I am not sure just taking the proportion, the figure of
     9        calories which are in actual pure fat, as it were, is
    10        helpful.  Do you see my point?
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  I do, but, with respect -- I do not really want to
    13        argue it now -- I cannot see (I say this as politely as I
    14        can) that your Lordship's approach can be correct because
    15        it does seem to me that what matters is what contribution,
    16        and, I mean, of course, the question how far this affects
    17        the diet as a whole is a completely separate one, but how
    18        far the contribution which McDonald's makes in terms of fat
    19        to the total nutrient requirement, which in the first case
    20        is roughly half of the recommended amount and in the second
    21        case under a third, can be said to be influential, or
    22        fairly influential, upon the rest of what the person eats.
    23        If he goes and eats other things which contribute the other
    24        half and the other two thirds of his recommended amount of
    25        energy from fat from other sources, so be it.  But
    26        McDonald's cannot be held responsible for that.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is a point of issue because I have got
    29        to ask myself if someone who eats with any regularity in
    30        McDonald's the sort of person who goes off and has nothing
    31        but fresh fruit at the next meal.
    32
    33   MR. RAMPTON:  But he does not have to, is the point I am trying
    34        to make.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know.  We can have an argument about that
    37        and no doubt we will have a discussion about it and I will
    38        have to get to grips with it in my own mind.  My
    39        consideration at the moment is whether it is helpful to say
    40        only something like a fifth -- you said 18 per cent --
    41        about a fifth of his daily requirement comes from the pure
    42        fat, nothing but fat, which he has ingested in the course
    43        of that McDonald's meal.
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  What in theory it means -- what the result on his
    46        overall diet would be I do not know because that is a
    47        separate question -- but what it means, if it is right, if
    48        the figures are right (which I am sure they are), is that
    49        he could actually have another McDonald's meal in that day
    50        (if he could face it) and still not exceed -- in the second
    51        case not by a long way and in the first case just exceed --
    52        the government's recommended intake of energy from fat.  He 
    53        might feel a bit too full.  Of course, I accept that.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I mean, by my arithmetic, he would certainly
    56        exceed it unless he -----
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  No, he would not, because in the first case he
    59        would have just over 36, 37 percent.
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