Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 67


     
     1        are probably the highest recycled paper product in our
              country, followed, maybe, by newspapers and office paper.
     2        Those are things I am aware of.
 
     3   Q.   How long has it been possible to recycle corrugated paper?
              A.  I am not really sure.
     4
         Q.   You do not know.  In the late 80s, according to your
     5        figures which we will not look at but you may remember,
              there was 6 per cent recycled paper content in your
     6        packaging in 1987 and 7 per cent in 1988 as far as
              I understand.
     7
         MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, we had better get it right.
     8
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Whichever it is, let us find out.
     9
         MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I think it is 7 but it is best to be
    10        accurate.
 
    11   MR. MORRIS:  I am sure I am right.
 
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  6 per cent in 1987 is quite right.
 
    13   MR. MORRIS:  And 7 per cent in 1988 and 1989?
              A.  OK.
    14
         Q.   We do not know what it was in 1990 because there was a
    15        hiccup on the chart.
              A.  What was the name you want?
    16
         Q.   51 per cent.  Why was that figure not 100 per cent in
    17        1987?
              A.  In 1987?
    18
         Q.   Yes, it was 6 per cent.  Why was it not 100 per cent?
    19        A.  There simply was not and currently is not the capacity
              to produce enough recycled paper. The mills have focused
    20        in the past on virgin paper production and until, I think,
              McDonald's again leading the way put forth a lot of demand
    21        for recycled paper and the mills responded and created
              capacity so we could use it.  They put in the proper
    22        sanitation standards we need to live by, and are just now
              starting to give us paper we can use in many of our direct
    23        food contact applications.
 
    24   Q.   Was the problem with the quality of the paper that you
              needed in 1987 for, say, packaging that may be in contact
    25        with food or whatever; you could not get good enough
              quality? 
    26        A.  Quantity -- you stuttered from the second to quantity. 
  
    27   Q.   Quantity not quality?
              A.  Quantity was the issue at that point.  Nobody was
    28        making it.
 
    29   Q.   Six per cent of people were making it, yes?
              A.  Yes, for those applications we were consuming.  We put
    30        it into drink carriers, pulp trays and that was a common
              raw material for that package.  It was not in direct food

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