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     1        statement made by three bodies such as this?
              A.  This is extremely unusual.
     2
         Q.   Were you involved in any way in the preparation of this
     3        document?
              A.  No.
     4
         Q.   Were you consulted about it?
     5        A.  No.
 
     6   Q.   Were you told about it in advance?
              A.  No.
     7
         Q.   It is dated April 12th 1988.  When do you think you first
     8        saw it?
              A.  Well, I just wanted to clarify something -- I started
     9        working at Perseco in the summer of 1988.
 
    10   Q.   Right.
              A.  So that is an important distinction, so that is
    11        obviously one reason I was not involved in that.
 
    12   Q.   My mistake.
              A.  But I also know that we had nothing to do with this.
    13
         Q.   No.  "Statement of Support for The Foodservice Packaging
    14        Institute's Fully Halogenated Chloroflurocarbon" -- that
              I call CFC, am I right about that?
    15        A.  Yes.
 
    16   Q.   -- "Voluntary Phaseout Programme".  I read quite a lot of
              it yesterday and I need not read it again today.  I would
    17        like you to look, if you will, at the second paragraph of
              text:  "The ozone depletion potential of HCFC-22 is far
    18        smaller than that of CFC-11 and CFC-12."  Was the CFC at
              that time -- I think Mr. Kouchoukos told us this -- that
    19        was used for McDonald's packaging No. 12?
              A.  Yes.
    20
         Q.   "In view of the urgent need to achieve drastic reductions
    21        in ozone depleting chemicals as soon as possible, the
              near-term complete replacement on an accelerated timetable
    22        of CFC-11 and CFC-12 with HCFC-22 in the manufacture of
              disposable foodservice packaging represents significance
    23        progress."
 
    24        So far as you are concerned, Mr. Langert, at that time
              (and please disallow the aid of hindsight) that
    25        represented what you knew about HCFC-22?
              A.  Yes. 
    26 
         Q.   Then if you turn over the page, you see that the three 
    27        environmental bodies "recognise the environmental benefits
              of implementing the Food Packaging Industry programme in
    28        the effort to protect the stratospheric ozone layer.  We
              support the actions to be taken by the individual
    29        companies and their customers to eliminate use of the CFCs
              in their products by substituting non-fully halogenated
    30        blends, including HCFC-22, and to seek and adopt improved
              blowing agents under this program."

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