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     2   MR. MORRIS:  Is eucalyptus often imported and used as hardwood
     3        pulp?
     4        A.  It is because eucalyptus is a major source of supply
     5        for particular grades of pulp and very little for packaging
     6        because, in fact, it is a short fibre and is not
     7        particularly suited to packaging.
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     9   Q.   Just one question in that point one at the bottom of the
    10        page, carton board, explain what "carton board" is and
    11        would there be slightly different implications in terms of
    12        making other kinds of paper which McDonald's might use?
    13        A.  Well, essentially of course there would be a
    14        difference, because every type of paper that is produced
    15        has a different combination of fibre length and quality of
    16        final product and it is made differently.  Therefore, yes,
    17        carton board which is packaging in a more substantial form,
    18        container type packaging, is likely to be different in its
    19        makeup than finer paper for literally ----
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    21   Q.   Office use?
    22        A.  --- bags.
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    24   Q.   Or bags.
    25        A.  I mean this is one of our problems, that any one
    26        example is only an example of what actually happened in
    27        that case.
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    29   Q.   Right, so could you explain what carton board is then? What
    30        is that used for? Let us say for McDonald's, what is that
    31        used for?
    32        A.  I would have said that it is being used as a container,
    33        but precisely, if you really wish to go into detail, I
    34        would have to ask Iggesund what form of actual paper it
    35        supplies to its particular converter who makes the
    36        particular product that McDonald's requires.  At that point
    37        I have to withdraw, because I felt that there was somebody
    38        else more expert in the manufacture of carton board or the
    39        manufacture of the actual packaging than somebody who is
    40        concerned with a forest.
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    42   Q.   Yes, Mr. Bateman in fact.  That box there, is that carton
    43        board?
    44        A.  Yes, one would have said that is of the nature of
    45        carton board.  Yes.
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you give me an example of what the bounds
    48        are of this?  If you imagine a paper bag of medium quality
    49        paper, to what extent are the numbers of tonnes of pulp
    50        wood likely to differ?  Might it be as much as down to 
    51        two-thirds or up to one and a half, or is it within 
    52        narrower bounds than that?  If one takes the carton board 
    53        example, because one does not to be working out 50 sums, if
    54        we took the carton board example, how far to one side or
    55        the other might it vary?
    56        A.  My Lord, the situation is as complicated as it seems,
    57        in so far as when we talk about packaging we are also
    58        omitting at the present moment to refer to recycling.  Once
    59        you bring recycling into this and you speak of packaging
    60        you have another complete parameter.    Whereas certain

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