Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 23
1 MR. RAMPTON: There are two pages which should be looked at
2 together at the same time if it is to make sense, 7.3 and
3 CVE 2 and the single page which is CVE 3.
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5 MR. MORRIS: I see, yes.
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7 MR. RAMPTON: If you add the transport package into your figure
8 of 29.7 million kilograms on 7.3, you get a total figure of
9 just over 32 million kilograms in packaging?
10 A. Yes.
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12 Q. Of which the recycled content is roughly about 46 per cent?
13 A. Yes.
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15 MS. STEEL: Can I just say, it is not a particularly important
16 point, but the figures on 7.3, I made them a little bit
17 more than what Mr. Rampton said. I do not think it is
18 particularly important but just for the sake of -----
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20 MR. RAMPTON: I probably did not add wood. I probably just did
21 the paper. That may be the reason.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I will make a note, "may not be exactly
24 right".
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26 MR. RAMPTON: No, my arithmetic is not always brilliant,
27 I readily confess. Mr. Van Erp, I would like to ask you
28 this: So far as Perseco is concerned, have you reached, do
29 you think, saturation in relation to recycled content or do
30 you think that you can increase the content?
31 A. I do not think we have reached saturation in recycled
32 content. The technical progress within paper makers will
33 push the recycled content of transportation packaging still
34 higher. That will, however, be marginal. In the other
35 areas we will find that there will probably come more and
36 more control over the source of recycled fibre which in
37 time will enable products which are not yet made of
38 recycled fibre so that they can actually be made of
39 recycled fibre.
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41 Q. Leaving aside public perception, Mr. Van Erp (which, as we
42 know, can often be misconceived), what are the arguments,
43 so far as Perseco or McDonald's, if you like, in favour of
44 continuing to increase the proportion of recycled fibre in
45 your products?
46 A. What are the arguments for?
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48 Q. What are the arguments in favour of continuing to increase
49 the amount of recycled fibre?
50 A. There is expected to be an economic advantage.
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52 Q. An economic advantage -- is it cheaper?
53 A. It should be cheaper, yes.
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55 Q. You mean it is ----
56 A. Especially with the paper prices, the virgin paper
57 prices, at the moment rising. Secondly, you preserve, you
58 are starting to close the loop of your own paper that you
59 use in reusing it again and that is a concept which
60 McDonald's wants to follow, so .....
