Day 011 - 12 Jul 94 - Page 62
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: This is the plastics industry?
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MR. MORRIS: Yes. Say, in this process with the CFC issue, was
3 there a great deal of influence of scientists that were
actually linked in some way to the industrial producers?
4 A. To the best of my knowledge, no, because the people
who again I cited as producing the report are not employed
5 by the industries and, essentially, are independent
agents.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: Were all the people on virtually front sheet
7 of the SORG reports, are they all experts in chemistry and
the atmosphere?
8 A. If I were to give you an example, my Lord, Adrian Tuck
who was then at the meteorological office in Bracknell is,
9 in fact, now working for an organisation called MOA which
is the main environmental organisation based at Boulder in
10 the United States; Dr. Cox is currently employed by the
National Environmental Research Council as an atmospheric
11 chemist; Dr. Farman was the person who actually made the
ground based measurements on which the first intimation of
12 the ozone hole came; Dr. Gray is the keeper of the main
atmospheric database at the Rutherford Appleton
13 laboratory; Dr. Jones was then at the meteorological
office in Bracknell and is now in the atmospheric
14 chemistry group at the University of Cambridge, but his
first training was actually in atmospheric physics figure
15 at the University of Oxford; Dr. O'Neill was then at the
meteorological office in Bracknell; Dr. Penkett is, in
16 fact, an atmospheric chemist and is an expert on the
tropisphere and is able to measure trace quantities of
17 things like the HCFCs in the atmosphere using very
sensitive mass spectrometry; Dr. Pyle is currently the
18 co-ordinator of the main European monitoring programme
called SEAAE, or Second European Arctic Anisomeric
19 Expedition which is the current measuring campaign in the
northern hemisphere to try to determine what the current
20 state of the ozone depletion is; Dr. Roscoe is now based
with the Antarctic survey and, in fact, makes measurements
21 in Antarctica; the only person there who represents a
chemical company is Dr. Hollies who, you will notice, is
22 down as an observer, which means he did not actually take
part in the formulation of the scientific discussion;
23 Dr. Jenkins who was the executive secretary works for the
Department of the Environment in London and, therefore,
24 I would take to be independent of the industry. So there
are no industry scientists.
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Q. Thank you very much for that, but what I meant to ask, do
26 you know to what extent, if at all, the plastics industry
had atmospheric chemists of any weight in their employment
27 or instructed on their behalf?
A. Within the United Kingdom, I do not think the plastics
28 industry did have very much in the way of environmental
chemists on their staff. They were mainly relying on
29 independent experts. In the United States it may be
different. I am not an expert on the personnel employed
30 by Dupont.
