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1 submissions until such and such a date, but that you accept
2 they must finish by such and such a date, which is what the
3 end of the six week period would be.
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5 MS. STEEL: Right, okay. Well, if we can think about that over
6 the next week?
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. I think you should come back with what
9 you want to say when we return next week and I will hear
10 anything Mr. Rampton wants to say.
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12 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, the only thing I need to put into that
13 discussion is that whether my submissions on the evidence
14 are in writing or not I do not know. That may be a
15 question of time as much as anything. But what I do intend
16 to do is to produce some written submissions on the
17 relevant law, which I would hope would be with your
18 Lordship and the defendants in good time before whatever
19 the starting date turns out to be.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Well you indicated, that would
22 certainly be very helpful to me and the sooner you manage
23 to do it, obviously, the better. But it is entirely up to
24 you. I am not prepared to give any directions to you which
25 I am not prepared to give to the defendants.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: I am grateful for that.
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29 My Lord, only two other small things. Your Lordship
30 asked us to confirm whether or not it was the CVs, and I
31 removed the apostrophe, which was on the Internet or the
32 witness statements. Apparently it is the witness
33 statements of the defendants and their witnesses that are
34 on the Internet, which is no doubt why Mr. Morris said what
35 he said this morning, for which I am grateful.
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37 Your Lordship asked some time ago, in relation to some
38 evidence given, I think, it was by Neil Skehl, what was the
39 present status of rap sessions. I think he said that may
40 be they were going to be abolished or something like that.
41 In fact, that has not happened. They were under review,
42 they are no longer and they are still the accepted form for
43 that.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: So, in effect, the evidence stands and there
46 is no need to unpick it.
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48 MR. RAMPTON: Exactly. Your Lordship should not begin to unpick
49 it, that is right. And finally this, your Lordship did a
50 long time ago -- it is Mrs Brinley-Codd shopping lists that
51 achieve all these recollections -- ask for complete list of
52 all the video recordings that are relevant. That your
53 Lordship will have next week. I do not know about the
54 defendants ones no, these are the ones on which we have
55 relied, we cannot do that.
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I think it is important that, at some
58 stage, you make a list of your videos. It seems to me that
59 just as I have my own bundles of the documents, when I have
60 heard what everyone wants to say and I reserve my judgment,
