Day 151 - 10 Jul 95 - Page 52


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That might be a good reason for not going
     2        back to it.  But if we just had it again a few minutes
     3        ago -- I have got your point.  You are saying that there is
     4        a difference between checking the schedule and checking
     5        what people have actually done; and you are suggesting that
     6        even if Mr. Stanton checked the scheduled hours, he did not
     7        check the clock cards to see what they had actually worked,
     8        and, if he did, you are saying that the manager was pulling
     9        the wool over his eyes by fiddling the clock cards.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:  The under-18s, you said, would tend to be the ones
    12        who worked in the evenings and Saturdays -- was it evenings
    13        and weekends?
    14        A.  Primarily Saturdays, but I think, certainly, some
    15        weekends, maybe a Sunday instead of a Saturday.
    16
    17   Q.   And evenings, because they work at college or school?
    18        A.  There may be a couple of evenings, certainly.
    19
    20   Q.   So the full-timers would tend to do the days, say, at
    21        Colchester or any store, 9 to 5?
    22        A.  No, not necessarily.  I think that the fully flexible
    23        monitor that we used was to sort of describe the fact they
    24        were available between specific hours.  So it is probably
    25        wrong to say that the full-timers only worked 9 to 5
    26        because, again, they were probably our more experienced
    27        people, on the whole, the sort of cornerstone of the
    28        restaurant; so it was equally as important for the
    29        restaurants to have them working the complete ramet of a
    30        restaurant's operating hours.  So we would still look for
    31        them to be working evening shifts as well, and closes, to
    32        get a good balance of full and part-time people on there.
    33        I do not think you get into a situation of having all
    34        part-timers on an evening shift, because I think, despite
    35        their levels of experience, we would still need a
    36        cornerstone of a few full-time people.
    37
    38   Q.   But, basically, the part-timers, the under-18 part-timers,
    39        the percentage of them working in the store would increase
    40        obviously dramatically in the evenings; never mind the
    41        Saturdays for the moment; but, in the evenings, the vast
    42        majority of staff present in the evenings would be
    43        part-timers, and, obviously, under-18 the would be a
    44        particularly large section of that, because they would not
    45        be able to work the hours?
    46        A.  Correct.  As a function of fact, they were unable to
    47        work during the day because of school or college
    48        commitments.  That is fair to say, then.  It would be
    49        impossible for them to do that.  So you could say they
    50        would form a bigger proportion. 
    51 
    52   Q.   So, really, the law in the country was extremely 
    53        inconvenient to McDonald's?
    54        A.  Not at all.  I think, as we have been able to show,
    55        keeping a balance has worked very well, as I have been able
    56        to demonstrate in Colchester and Clacton.
    57
    58   Q.   You would have liked not to have to obey the law?
    59        A.  You cannot say we are not allowed to -- as far I was
    60        concerned -----

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