Day 157 - 18 Jul 95 - Page 15
1 I am quite happy to show them in court. This was when Mark
2 Davis was giving evidence. He was being cross-examined.
3 I think it is about 10 pages. The transcript from that day
4 is 52 pages, I believe, from memory. I have not got it in
5 front of me. On each page it has about, at least, I do not
6 know, 20 or 30 times as much text. So, in effect, there
7 would be at least 100 times more text in the transcript
8 than exists in my notes. I was going -----
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You say you have about 10 pages here, do you?
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12 MR. MORRIS: It is 10 pages. This is because we thought we were
13 not going to get a transcript for that day, so you could
14 say it is a laboratory condition for what would happen in
15 the future. We were doing our best to go as fast as we
16 could in taking notes on that day, and that if we were
17 actually going to take proper notes, we would have to go at
18 a much reduced rate. These are no way effective notes.
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20 I do not really need to take the court through them.
21 I think people can see them for themselves and judge for
22 themselves. My handwriting is very poor at the best of
23 times, and there is no way Helen would be able to
24 understand my notes, let alone rely on them. I do not mind
25 you keeping those if you want, but I would prefer them back
26 from Mr. Rampton, if he has finished with them?
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28 MR. RAMPTON: No, no. I am going to keep them for the duration
29 of this hearing.
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31 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I will put them on one side in case I need to
32 look at them. They are there. When I have given a ruling
33 on this application, you can have the copy back.
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35 MR. MORRIS: Thank you, yes.
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37 MS. STEEL: We have not got a full copy, well, we have not got
38 a copy of this at all, but it might be worth mentioning at
39 this point -- anyone can check it if they want to -- in
40 Access to Justice, the interim report of the Lord
41 Chancellor on the civil justice system in England and
42 Wales, section 3, chapter 13 at para. 14 states: "Judges
43 usually report that this technology", that being computer
44 aided real time transcription which converts words spoken
45 in the court room into context that appears instantaneously
46 on the systems monitors, "brings time saving 25 to 30 per
47 cent. Obviously, the converse of that would apply, that we
48 are not getting transcripts, whether or not we have
49 CaseView in court, we are not getting a transcript of what
50 has been typed up so we are having to make notes, the
51 likely effect of that is that the case will take at least
52 25 to 30 per cent longer. It will be longer than that; it
53 will take longer than that.
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55 We apologise for not having that actual authority or that
56 reference, but we were advised by 1 Pump Court, a barrister
57 there, on that, but he did not have a copy of it. He must
58 have taken it from a text book or something.
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60 We believe that if we do not have a transcript and we are
