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     1        A.  I do not know.  You have to tell me a specific case.
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     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think what he is saying -- I know it is
     4        tiresome -- he cannot give a categoric answer ---
     5
     6   MR. MORRIS:  I was just pretty stunned that -----
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- or, rather, an overall answer.  If you
     9        have a particular country in mind where he said that they
    10        do not supply to McDonald's -- for instance, Brazil was
    11        one, was it not?
    12
    13   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  I did not want to go through them all again.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I appreciate that.  What I think you must
    16        not do is take what he said as an admission that where he
    17        said they do not supply McDonald's, he is admitting that
    18        they supply a supplier of McDonald's.
    19
    20   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, I understand that.  So, for example, if you
    21        remember Braslo -- sorry, forget Braslo.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Opticarnes?
    24
    25   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  Braslo in Brazil, you said, did
    26        not export to McDonald's?
    27        A.  I said Braslo -- or, at least, a part of Braslo that is
    28        dedicated to McDonald's -- as far as I remember, they do
    29        not export finished products, McDonald's products, to any
    30        other country, with the possible exception other than a
    31        product, an evaluation of their product for comparison
    32        reasons.  They might export a box just to look at their
    33        products, and they might have exported to Argentina for a
    34        small period of time, when I remember we had a shortage.
    35
    36   Q.   When was that?
    37        A.  I think it was roughly a year and a half or two years
    38        ago.
    39
    40   Q.   They do deboning and processing there; is that correct?
    41        A.  That is correct.
    42
    43   Q.   So they may be exporting non-finished products such as
    44        frozen, deboned meat?
    45        A.  That is correct.
    46
    47   Q.   We have seen, have we not, I know not that plant, but
    48        McDonald's in the UK have bought Brazilian meat in the
    49        past?
    50        A.  Where do you get that information? 
    51 
    52   Q.   From McDonald's UK. 
    53        A.  That McDonald's have bought finished products?
    54
    55   Q.   McKey's have bought Brazilian beef to supply McDonald's UK?
    56        A.  "Brazilian beef" is a wide term.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You had better summarise what the effect of
    59        it is, that there was a period of time, I think, probably
    60        over a few months ---

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