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     1        substantiation for his claims.  I base it on the fact that
              he has always in all of my encounters with him used the
     2        threat of publicity as the real basis for trying to force
              some sort of a settlement with McDonald's.  That threat of
     3        publicity was always first and foremost, and even on
              occasions when he indicated that he would not be going to
     4        the press, the press was notified and statements were
              given to them which required response by McDonald's and
     5        which were inaccurate.
 
     6   Q.   I asked you earlier, you remember, we will not look it up
              now, about a so-called letter which mentioned the
     7        children's group which was supposed to be campaigning in
              Texas against McDonald's, and you told us you never heard
     8        of that before it emerged into the public arena?
              A.  I saw a video tape on television of one occasion.
     9        I am not aware of any campaign, nothing before and nothing
              after.  I always had my own thoughts, but were never able
    10        to validate them as to whether any of the children in that
              class were related to anyone in the Attorney General's
    11        office.
 
    12   Q.   Do not answer this question if you do not -- say you do
              not know if you do not know the answer to this question,
    13        and please do not speculate.  Do you happen to know from
              Mr. Gardner himself what his own personal views about
    14        nutrition are, about the sort of food one should eat?
              A.  My impression from having dealt with him face to face
    15        is that foods, the type of foods, that we serve are bad
              foods.
    16
         Q.   Do you know ----
    17        A.  Hamburgers.
 
    18   Q.   Sorry, continue.
              A.  Meat products, things which have saturated fats in
    19        them or fats in them, and that his preference, like that
              of the other Attorneys General who I have dealt with who
    20        are vegetarians, their consumer affairs groups are
              vegetarians, was that we would do better off selling
    21        things other than hamburgers.
 
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you saying that he is a vegetarian or
              was vegetarian?
    23        A.  I cannot -----
 
    24   Q.   Or can you just not say?
              A.  I cannot say.
    25
         MR. MORRIS:  Can I interrupt?  Is this a traditional practice 
    26        in British law to character assassinate one of our 
              witnesses before he comes into the box? 
    27
         MR. RAMPTON:  It is, my Lord, if he is not coming; that is the
    28        trouble.
 
    29   MR. MORRIS:  We have stated that we intend to call all our
              witnesses.  I find the last five minutes very obnoxious
    30        and I would like it to stop.
 

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