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1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There are approved lists. If I were you, you
2 get someone who can speak the language properly and ask
3 about it. I am less concerned about French than some other
4 languages because I think you will find there will be
5 people in court who will be able to tell if it is not an
6 accurate translation anyway.
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8 MR. MORRIS: He has quite a lot of details in his statement
9 which has a translation with it, so we would certainly
10 invite you to look at that if you have a chance. It is
11 mainly to do with the Trade Union issue. Along with that
12 there is a statement of Chantal Villerneuve/Gallez, also of
13 Lyon, France.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Look, if you are going to call French, Gallic
16 witnesses, see if you cannot call them together and have
17 your translator here for the purpose. What I would not
18 approve of is one person who is a witness who speaks fluent
19 French and English interpreting for another.
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21 MR. MORRIS: No, I understand that.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not suggesting there would be anything
24 underhand, but it would be an unsatisfactory situation.
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26 MR. MORRIS: So that is two witness who both worked at
27 McDonald's -- in fact they still work at McDonald's if they
28 have not been sacked yet.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not think they have been certified in
31 any way. They have to be able to assure me that they speak
32 the language of the witness fluently and then they take an
33 oath faithfully to translate, etc.
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35 MR. MORRIS: Right. The other two witnesses in this bundle of
36 five are Shaun Darby and Joel Henderson who are both from
37 the same branch of McDonald's that Sarah Ingliss has
38 already given evidence from. They were with her on the
39 union committee in their attempt to organise a union branch
40 there. So, really those four should all be put in the
41 employment witnesses.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You are putting Civil Evidence Act notices on
44 them against the possibility of you not being able to call
45 them, are you?
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47 MR. MORRIS: Yes, that is that. The other thing is that I have
48 asked Mr. North to try to draft up a statement as soon as
49 possible. He said he wanted to get it out of the way but I
50 do not know when it will be ready. Anne Link -----
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Would it actually help you if I said it had
53 to be served by a specific date so that you could say the
54 judge has made a direction?
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56 MR. MORRIS: Yes, as long as if he does not do it we are not
57 penalised. But, yes, I can say to him that the court said
58 do it by such and such a date.
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What about 6th January which is a Friday?
