Day 060 - 02 Dec 94 - Page 62
1 Q. What about the late 1980s?
2 A. No, that would not be true. Paper bags and napkins
3 certainly would have had a high content of recycled
4 material.
5
6 Q. Right, but apart from paper bags and napkins, can you think
7 of anything else?
8 A. There was a percentage of recycled material in cartons
9 prior to it going to 72 per cent. What it was, I am not
10 certain. I think it was relatively low in the sort of 10
11 to 20 area.
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13 Q. Right. Do you know when that first came in when any
14 recycled content in came in?
15 A. Fry cartons?
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17 Q. Fry cartons?
18 A. No, not exactly.
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20 Q. In this document, the "Panel Presentation" we were looking
21 at earlier -- I can get a copy if you want, otherwise I
22 will just read out the paragraph. On page 6 Corrine Reed
23 is down as -- as this is a draft, I presume that it is
24 intended what she is going to say: "But what are we doing
25 in the UK? Well, we are heavily committed to the use of
26 recycled paper. Kitchen towels, toilet tissues and various
27 promotional material are all made from recycled paper. We
28 are presently look at head office stationery and even
29 business cards. When you look at one of our typical
30 take-away meals, all the UK carry-out bags are made from 30
31 per cent recycled paper and we are looking at the
32 possibility of increasing that amount". It goes on to
33 say: "But other paper that comes into direct contact with
34 food like this bag of fries has to be made from virgin
35 paper pulp under the food laws of most European countries.
36 So we cannot use recycled paper here". Would you agree
37 that appears to indicate that there was no recycled content
38 in the fry containers at that time?
39 A. Fry bags, I think she said.
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41 Q. Fry bags?
42 A. I think you can have recycled paper in a fry bag as
43 long as it is coated.
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45 Q. But do you not think she would be going to say that at this
46 presentation if that was the case?
47 A. I do not know where she got this information from. It
48 was clearly a draft. It may well have been corrected after
49 she wrote the draft.
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51 Q. If that is correct, if what is here is correct, it would
52 appear, would it not, that there was no recycled content in
53 any of the actual packaging other than the take-away bags?
54 A. I think the fry bags would have had a recycled content
55 because they were coated. A greaseproof fry bag, for
56 example, can be recycled as long as it is greaseproofed
57 because the coating stops the recycled material being in
58 contact with the fries.
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60 Q. In that case she would not be going to say the bag has to
