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1 have a clue what they were. I did not have a clue how you
2 were supposed to deal with them or anything, and that that
3 was why we did get legal advice on how to answer them.
4 When I referred about my experience of people in the legal
5 profession, I was referring to, well, in reality, what I am
6 referring to is the way that the plaintiffs' solicitors
7 have said things in this case which have then turned out
8 not to be the case.
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10 Can I just say about the leaflets on the table at
11 Endsleigh Street, it is my recollection that generally most
12 of them were about coming events, and so that being the
13 case, they would probably be ones that people brought along
14 from the last event that they had been on, where that is
15 generally how word gets around about what is going on. You
16 are on a demonstration, you get told about another event or
17 meeting or picket or whatever, you get a handful of
18 leaflets and then you pass them on to other people to let
19 them know what is going on. And that is in terms of what
20 was available there. That is my recollection, that in the
21 main they were things about coming events.
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23 Yes. This is from the transcript yesterday, and I
24 don't know whether you have got the transcript yet or not.
25
26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Well, I have, but just tell me what it is?
27 A. It is on page 64 and Mr. Rampton asked a question about
28 the people at the meeting of the 2nd August 1990, about
29 "They were all old hands, people who have been in the
30 group for some considerable time by this stage, that is to
31 say Mr. Morris", and then I answered "Except Vibes and
32 Mark", and I do not think that I actually heard Mr. Rampton
33 say the bit about Mr. Morris. I mean I am not saying he
34 did not say it I just don't think I heard it. It may have
35 been that I was talking over the top of him with the reply,
36 but in terms of Mr. Morris obviously his involvement with
37 the group had started a long time ago, but in terms of what
38 his involvement was over that period, he was not, he was
39 not really involved because he hardly went to any
40 meetings.
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42 So just -- just about Mr. Rampton said about having
43 seen my behaviour in court and I just want to say that I
44 note that he did not have the courage to put it to me
45 specifically what he was referring to. But if what he
46 suggested to Jane Laporte is true about my behaviour, how
47 is it that none of the private investigators who were at so
48 many meetings which I was at have said anything about me
49 being -- whatever the word that was put last week,
50 intimidating, or -- I can't remember all the things he said
51 -- or volatile or forceful, how come there is not a single
52 reference to any such thing in the spy's notes?
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54 The point is that how, as I said, how I behave in
55 court when I am representing myself and I have to argue on
56 my own behalf about something which is going to affect my
57 future, is not the same as how I would argue in a meeting,
58 or how I might express myself in a meeting. And obviously,
59 the other thing is that we are under a massive amount of
60 pressure. It has been extremely exhausting and it is not
