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1 cattle, sheep and pig plants with regard to the efficiency
of stunning methods, yes, that is absolutely true.
2
Q. We find that, do we, in your references?
3 A. I do not think I submitted a copy.
4 Q. I have something which is entitled something like that,
Welfare of Red Meat Animals at Slaughter?
5 A. That sounds good.
6 Q. That is 1992 so it is not very good.
7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What date did you give this report?
A. 1984. Do you have an index of these?
8
MR. RAMPTON: Yes, I think it is tab E. We do not have an
9 index.
A. Can I interrupt? This is a code of practice. I think
10 it is not a report -- you may find the report referred to
if we look at the list of references, I should think, if
11 there is one?
12 Q. There probably is not even a list of references.
A. The references are given at the bottom of each page
13 and I am scanning them -- it does not look good.
14 Q. Never mind, it is not an important point in the very
slightest, Dr. Gregory.
15 A. No, it is not there.
16 Q. Not so far as McDonald's are concerned. Can we go on with
this sentence at the bottom of this page of the pamphlet.
17 It goes on: "... criticised inefficient stunning methods
which frequently result in animals having their throats
18 cut while still fully conscious. McDonald's are
responsible for the deaths of countless animals by this
19 supposedly humane method."
20 Dr. Gregory, in your observations of the operations
conducted by the suppliers of McDonald's with meat from
21 chicken, pigs and cows, did you find any evidence to
support the statement that those animals frequently had
22 their throats cut while still fully conscious?
A. In the case of cattle and pigs, it was never; in the
23 case of frequently in chickens, I think the answer is no,
because this was not frequent, the fact that 0.7 per cent
24 of the birds escaped the water bath without being stunned.
25 Q. One compares that to the passage that I lately read of the
Defence which attributed a figure of one third to this
26 supposed phenomenon. If it were one third, one could, I
assume, safely say that it was frequent?
27 A. I would go along with that.
28 Q. I am just having a look to see whether there is anything
else I need to ask you -- only this, perhaps,
29 Dr. Gregory: You did do some research on 25 birds from
Sun Valley. You did this work, or somebody did, at
30 Bristol. It is addendum 2 to your report. You were
looking for abnormalities, I think, were you
