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     1        statement, in his report -- well, you said that in your
     2        statement in any event.  Would you accept that in the area
     3        of study of welfare that he is more experienced than you
     4        are?
     5        A.  Oh, I am sure he is.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You do not have to push that Ms. Steel
     8        because he was called by Mr. Rampton as McDonald's expert
     9        on animal welfare.
    10
    11   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  It is just a question I forgot to ask
    12        earlier.  (To the witness):  Are there any US abattoirs
    13        that are EC approved?  You said that there is one in the UK
    14        that is approved for US DA standards?
    15        A.  That one is not in the UK.  If you are going that way
    16        there is only one plant, to my knowledge, that is US DA
    17        approved and that is in Southern Ireland.  Going the other
    18        way, at the moment there are a lot of negotiations going on
    19        but, as we speak today, I do not think for a technical
    20        reason that there are any abattoirs in the United States of
    21        America that are EEC approved.
    22
    23   Q.   But there have been in the past then?
    24        A.  Yes.
    25
    26   Q.   Could you get volume pink IX, please?  If you could turn to
    27        tab 3, please, when Mr. Rampton was asking you about this
    28        he said that McDonald's had had input into this form but
    29        they had not in the previous versions?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   Can you just say which parts of the form were added at
    33        McDonald's suggestion, which of the specifications?
    34        A.  That would be easier to do if I had an old spec. with
    35        me.
    36
    37   Q.   Do you still have the old spec.?
    38        A.  I think not, not with me.
    39
    40   Q.   No, but you would have it back at Milton Keynes?
    41        A.  Yes -- buildings, that is all recognisable as old
    42        stuff.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you just do your best, having made that
    45        reservation, is it easy just to look at the form and see
    46        any items which were inserted on McDonald's initiative?
    47        A.  I will try, sir.
    48
    49   Q.   Yes, just do your best.
    50        A.  The second page under "lairage 2", the use of goads, 
    51        that is definitely McDonald's. 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:   So that came in a year ago?
    54        A.  Yes.  Preskinning, No. 4, I mean, that has come in in
    55        reaction to McDonald's tying the bung but McDonald's did
    56        not ask for that.
    57
    58   Q.   So that is one that has come in in the last year as well?
    59        A.  Yes.
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