Day 111 - 30 Mar 95 - Page 63
1 by the bullet points, the first two bullet points under 6?
2 A. Yes.
3
4 Q. "Alec Jarrett Limited has no laboratory at the premises,
5 neither does he use the services of any outside laboratory.
6 There is no sampling programme for the detection of E.coli
7 0157: H" and I think there is a misprint there for "H7"?
8 A. That is right.
9
10 Q. " ... at Alec Jarrett Limited." I would like you to
11 explain once again, please, clearly and slowly -- first,
12 perhaps, answer this question: Those two sentences are
13 just plain wrong, are they not?
14 A. Yes, they are.
15
16 Q. They are rubbish. Tell us, please, how that incorrect
17 information came to be included in this statement? I was
18 not quite sure I understood what you told us.
19 A. As I said before, I know now that I should have written
20 "to my knowledge".
21
22 Q. What you should have written, I think, is that somebody
23 told you; is that right?
24 A. Yes, that is right.
25
26 Q. Tell me exactly with whom you had these conversations or
27 this conversation and precisely what that person or persons
28 said to you in this context?
29 A. Well, you do appreciate that this all happened about a
30 year ago?
31
32 Q. Yes.
33 A. The first discussions I had about the laboratory
34 services -- I never asked any questions particularly about
35 the E.coli 0157.
36
37 Q. You did not ask any questions about it?
38 A. No, and I said that earlier today as well. I did not
39 ask any particulars questions. I had no reason to assume
40 that they would be pathogenic microbial testing.
41
42 Q. That sentence is just an assumption on your part, is it?
43 A. Yes, that is right.
44
45 Q. That assumption on generality, that assumption is based on
46 what?
47
48 MR. MORRIS: The witness was trying to answer Mr. Rampton; you
49 interrupted her.
50
51 THE WITNESS: Based on the fact that I asked both the Senior
52 Meat Hygiene or Meat Inspector, David White, from the
53 Kingswood Borough Council, who was in charge of supervising
54 the plant on behalf of the Environmental Health Departments
55 at Kingswood Council, and visited the plant regularly at
56 least once a week, I asked him: "What laboratory work is
57 being done at the abattoir" and he said: "None, to his
58 knowledge" obviously. I then took this up with Mr. Bob
59 Jarrett, I think, I am quite sure, saying that I wanted to
60 start doing TVC swabs and asked them if they were doing
