Day 171 - 11 Oct 95 - Page 21


     
     1        one, it went from two to three pages a week to 10 pages a
     2        week.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  Well, we are in your hands, really.
     5        Obviously, the longer the period, the more accurate the
     6        sample is going to be.  But, yes.  The problem of course
     7        with the May is that it is not a busy period; the quarter
     8        from March to May is probably none of it a busy period, or
     9        maybe only a very short time over Easter or something.  So
    10        I think the summer period is the one that should be
    11        disclosed.
    12
    13        If I can move on to number 8, the weekly time sheets for
    14        the first two weeks of August 1994, showing all staff.  My
    15        recollection is that the time sheets are, in themselves,
    16        valuable because of the way they are laid out and the ease
    17        of reference.  Mr. Rampton thinks that is rubbish.
    18
    19   MR. RAMPTON:  All I mean -- it was not nice of me to say so, but
    20        I have been looking at these clock card sheets for the last
    21        day.  You can get all the information you need off the
    22        clock card sheets for every employee who happens to be
    23        working during that period.  The weekly time sheets add
    24        nothing to that except what the people were paid.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How many pages is a weekly time sheet ---
    27
    28   MR. RAMPTON:  I have no idea.
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- from your recollection, if you can recall?
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  No.  I assume, since there are three pages,
    33        roughly speaking, for each day in the clock card sheet,
    34        I assume it is seven times three, which is 21, which,
    35        multiplied by four, will be something like another 90
    36        sheets.  I have not got a weekly time sheet here.  But,
    37        my Lord, all it adds to what is in the clock card sheets is
    38        what the people were paid, which is -- I would put it
    39        bluntly -- none of the Defendants' business in this
    40        particular instance.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:  Just on that subject, my understanding of what
    43        weekly time sheets are -- and we have seen them in case for
    44        Orpington, and I think we have also a weekly time sheet for
    45        the woman Kathy Pearson, who went to an industrial tribunal
    46        about not being paid overtime -- is that the whole of the
    47        week was on one or two pages, all staff, total.  But if all
    48        the information is available on the clock card computer
    49        sheets, I do not know if what Mr. Rampton was saying --
    50        I mean, if he is saying that all the information on it is 
    51        true, that is fair enough, except that he may be using the 
    52        preference for clock card computer sheets which are much 
    53        longer, more pages, as a way of restricting the spread of
    54        time because of the number of pages.  My understanding is
    55        that weekly time sheets condense very small all the staff
    56        for a whole week on a couple of sheets of paper. (sic)  But
    57        if the clock cards contain all the information, the clock
    58        card sheets, and they are disclosed for a substantial time,
    59        then I suppose that would be the equivalent, barring the
    60        pay, what people were paid.  But, I mean, I know what

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