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     1        sorry, plus pigs in this country, but I think that was
     2        only -- then in America, I think, Dr. Gomez Gonzalez said
     3        50 or 60, or something like that.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But what are you asking for?  Do we know how
     6        often the audits took place?
     7
     8   MS. STEEL:   I gained the impression that it was not that
     9        frequently.  I cannot find the specific page in his
    10        evidence.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  This is a Tyson's audit form of its chickens, I
    13        think.  This is just one document.  It is a sample; it is
    14        not filled in.  There is a note on it:  "These are the
    15        forms to document field servicemen's visits to farms, used
    16        two times per week unless required to visit farm more
    17        often."
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is what troubles me.  If you were right
    20        that there are 50/60 and each of those having about -- were
    21        they having about a 100 audits a year, if they were similar
    22        to Tysons?  You have got 5,000 audits a year in the
    23        United States -- I do not know whether that is right or
    24        not -- and you are looking back over a number of years.
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:   We were specifically asking for 1989 and
    27        1990.  When he was talking about audits, I did not get the
    28        impression that it was twice a week; I got the impression
    29        that it was maybe three or four times a year, or something
    30        like that.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  Ms. Steel is confusing visits by McDonald's staff,
    33        which to slaughterhouses are occasional, to suppliers much
    34        more frequent, and audits done by the suppliers at
    35        McDonald's behest, where they themselves (and, in this
    36        case, Tyson's, it is at their own establishment) do not own
    37        the slaughterhouse.  There is a McKey document which is
    38        sent to the slaughterhouse which has a whole list of animal
    39        welfare requirements in it.  That is what Ms. Steel is
    40        talking about.
    41
    42        I do not know that Dr. Gomez Gonzalez mentioned any kind of
    43        a McDonald's internal audit form.  What he did say was that
    44        McDonald's either compared or helped to prepare the audit
    45        form that the suppliers use; that he did say.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We have got the McKey audit form.
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, we have a sample of that.
    50 
    51   MS. STEEL:  That is in this country as well.  That is only one 
    52        form that has not been filled in. 
    53
    54   MR. MORRIS:  Obviously, we do not need every audit form in the
    55        whole world filled in in this matter.  What we need is
    56        something which helps in the case in providing evidence and
    57        identifying whether the Plaintiffs are taking animal
    58        welfare seriously and what they are finding -----
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would have thought a sample of the form

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