Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 53


     
     1        A.  It would also, yes.
 
     2   Q.   But you feel it is better than the other options?
              A.  Carbon dioxide that we will use, that we do use in
     3        Asia Pacific, for instance, is recycled off of another
              industrial process that already produced it. So, the way
     4        I look at it, we have not increased the net contribution
              of C02 because we removed it from another emission source,
     5        reused it again and then it was emitted.  So it would have
              been emitted anyway.
     6
         Q.   OK.  Up to now, anyway, you have agreed that all those
     7        three things have a potential for damaging the
              environment?
     8        A.  Everything that man does has an environmental impact,
              yes.  Any industrial process is going to have an
     9        environment impact and it is my responsibility to try to
              evaluate those impacts into make recommendations to
    10        minimise them.
 
    11   Q.   But, basically, you continue to use those types of
              packaging even though there is considerable concern about
    12        their impact on the environment?
              A.  I am not sure what the reference to "considerable
    13        concern" would be.  There is an environmental impact that
              we think is less than packaging that we have used in the
    14        past, and that is all we could do.
 
    15   Q.   But you accept that the packaging you are currently using
              made with pentane has its problems, causes problems with
    16        the environment?
              A.  Certainly it has environmental impacts, yes.
    17
         Q.   Your argument is, I think, that although these things
    18        cause damage to the environment, percentage wise you are
              not really responsible for much?
    19        A.  Well, that argument, I do not know if I would use,
              because we do accept the responsibility to improve the
    20        environmental impact of the packaging McDonald's uses, so
              it is a fact that in relative terms that other production
    21        processes or other things in the world cause more, but
              I still want to minimise the environmental impacts of the
    22        packaging I provide to McDonald's.  I do not like to get
              into a mess like that because it does not get us anywhere,
    23        you know,  because we want to make progress.
 
    24   Q.   Have you got your statement in front of you?
              A.  I do not, no, but I can get it.
    25
         Q.   It is in yellow bundle III? 
    26        A.  OK. 
  
    27   Q.   Then it is No. 3, I think?
              A.  Tab 3, OK.
    28
         Q.   Yes.  If you could turn to DKJ, the first appendix?
    29        A.  Which one, I am sorry?
 
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Page 32 in the bundle.
 

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