Day 207 - 23 Jan 96 - Page 63


     
     1        If this is going to be important, if it is not ------
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     3   MR. MORRIS:  Could I just say, that one of the reasons for
     4        having the documents is to give a general kind of snapshot
     5        about the Company procedures, so I did feel it was worth
     6        getting to grapple with this as it is an issue, and whether
     7         ------
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think it will only be an issue if you have
    10        a point to make on it or think you have a point to make on
    11        it.  If what you are saying is:  "Well, I might have a
    12        point if I understood what it meant", then it is fair
    13        enough to ask the witness.  But if all you are saying
    14        is  -----
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS:  On these particular ones that have been disclosed,
    17        I was going to make a separate point other than ------
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Carry on and make the separate point then.
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    21   MR. MORRIS:  OK.  (To the witness):  If we just move on, 371 is
    22        signed only by the Manager and that applies to all of
    23        them.  None of them have been verified or signed by any of
    24        the staff, by any of the crew concerned.  That is the first
    25        point.  I am sure the witness will accept that.  But if we
    26        look over to page 382, we get to Mr. Henden.  You clocked
    27        out two people there, yes -- sorry, you have adjusted the
    28        timings, you have given them timings, of when they came in
    29        and came out, yes?
    30        A.  Let me check ------
    31
    32   Q.   On page 382.  382 we are on now.
    33        A.  Yes, I have the page.
    34
    35   Q.   You are checking back?
    36        A.  Yes.
    37
    38   Q.   Do not worry too much.  I mean, the old times do not appear
    39        on the clock cards any more, do they, because they have
    40        been amended; is that correct?
    41
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I cannot find the 049 one on the clock card.
    43        It appears to me that that might be because the person
    44        concerned did not clock in or out on that day and so they
    45        do not appear on the clock card file, and the adjustment
    46        audit report puts that right, but again that may be a
    47        complete misunderstanding.  Have you got a point you are
    48        seeking to put on it?
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  I was trying to understand the general procedure 
    51        with what is going on here. 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, to some extent, Mr. Richards explained it
    54        and I went through it in some detail with Mr. Coton,
    55        because what it is clear is that if there is any cheating
    56        going on, it is on the adjustment audit report where you
    57        find it.  If that is the case the Defendants make out,
    58        really, it is up to them to get on and make it.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  I am just trying to ......

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