Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 24


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You might be right at the end of the day,
     2        Mr. Rampton, but the general level of public knowledge of
     3        veal calves is now fairly high.  We will have to see
     4        whether any of this is directed at McDonald's or can be
     5        directed at McDonald's in the context of the case.
     6        I propose to let it go on and I will see what, if any,
     7        relevance it has at the end of the day.
     8
     9   MS. STEEL:  So that would be a considerable percentage of calves
    10        would go to veal crates?
    11        A.  I cannot tell you about that at that time.  Now, no,
    12        that is not the case.  Most of the cattle goes to
    13        feeding -----
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Keep your voice up, please?
    16        A.  Right now, from what I have seen -- in fact, I was last
    17        week I was at a dairy co-op and most of their veal
    18        slaughter was veal.
    19
    20   Q.   So you think things have changed since then?
    21        A.  I do not know what it was in the 80s.
    22
    23   Q.   OK, carry on.
    24
    25                   (The video recording continued)
    26
    27   Q.   Is there anything unusual about what was going on there
    28        with the branding?
    29        A.  No.
    30
    31   Q.   That would be standard?
    32        A.  Typical.
    33
    34   Q.   Just going back to the veal calves, you said not many go
    35        there, but the ones that do go for veal from the dairy
    36        industry, they would be in those kinds of conditions?
    37        A.  No.
    38
    39   Q.   They would not?
    40        A.  From what I have seen, no.  Now I must say that my
    41        limited -- I have very limited experience with veal.  It is
    42        something I do not consider is part of our business.
    43
    44                   (The video recording continued)
    45
    46   Q.   Could you stop a second?  What do you know that disease by?
    47        A.  I do not know.
    48
    49   Q.   You are not aware of that?
    50        A.  No, and it is definitely not one of the major 
    51        (inaudible), absolutely not ----- 
    52 
    53   Q.   Do you know whether that was the case in the early 80s?
    54        A.  I do not know.
    55
    56   Q.   You do not know?
    57        A.  No.
    58
    59   Q.   The feed lots that were shown, that would be a typical size
    60        of feed lot?

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