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     1        information which was provided by the people who supply
              chemicals to McDonald's which did not include the
     2        representative of Perseco, but also, in fact, the British
              company who actually supplied chemicals to McDonald's.
     3
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Supplied chemicals for McDonald's?
     4        A.  Basically supplied the blowing agents used in the
              United Kingdom which, in fact -- and in the United
     5        Kingdom, in fact, they used -- basically they came out of
              HCFCs altogether.
     6
         Q.   But who was the supply from and to, because the suggestion
     7        so far has been that McDonald's does not use any blowing
              agents at all?
     8        A.  At the time that -----
 
     9   Q.   Indeed, Perseco does not use any, although suppliers of
              polystyrene foam have used them -- and I use the past
    10        tense so as to be neutral.
              A.  Well, the documents related to go back to the time
    11        when the decision was being taken, or there was a set of
              decisions being taken, as to whether or not to phase out
    12        of things.  The advice that was given at that time (which
              is not now) was that because of the HCFC risk, they should
    13        not be used in the United Kingdom under any circumstances.
 
    14   MR. MORRIS:  Can you remember who that company which supplied
              the information?
    15        A.  As I have managed to leave the box files back here,
              no, but the only thing I can tell you is that I can
    16        probably get hold of them.  But it was, in fact, I
              said the main point I would make is that the company was
    17        actually citing the UK government reports (which I have
              actually put here) as a reason for, in fact, the warning
    18        given by the Stratospheric Ozone Review Group, that one
              should not use HCFCs as a reason for, in fact, not using
    19        them as blowing agents anyway in the United Kingdom.
 
    20   MISS STEEL:  If there are any documents, it would be helpful if
              we could see them?
    21
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He does not have them here.
    22
         MISS STEEL:  No, I understand that.
    23
         MR. RAMPTON:  I quite agree.
    24
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I was going to suggest is that when
    25        Professor Duxbury has left the witness box, he can talk to
              Mrs. Brinley-Codd and give some further and better 
    26        description of just what the documentation was and it can 
              be produced.  Presumably, it was not sheets and sheets of 
    27        documents; it was just a letter from a supplier or
              something like that, was it?
    28        A.  Basically at the time that an appreciation of the
              problems associated with both CFCs and their replacements
    29        was made, I think, in all the countries where it was
              active, the suppliers were asked to do a basically a cost
    30        benefit analysis of the risks associated with the use of
              CFCs and whatever other gas you might use to, in fact,

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