Day 203 - 12 Jan 96 - Page 31


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  So is the situation that you found out, what, a
     3        month, two months, or three months after you became
     4        Supervisor or what about this?
     5        A.  I cannot recall the exact dates at the moment.
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     7   Q.   It was not the first week you came -----
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would like you to help me, if you can, as
    10        to approximately when it might have been?
    11        A.  OK.  Do we have the clock cards?  Do we not have some
    12        of the clock cards, some of that information?
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    14   Q.   No.  Can I ask you this way, you say in your statement that
    15        you cannot remember whether it was at a rap session which
    16        you held, it is unusual for the Area Supervisor to hold rap
    17        sessions within his own area; can you remember when that
    18        rap session was, how long after you had taken over as Area
    19        Supervisor?
    20        A.  No, but one thing that does, sort of, maybe help is
    21        that after the incident I believe Sally Spurgeon went to
    22        work at the Tolgate restaurant and then went to work at the
    23        Leisure World restaurant, so a couple of months before the
    24        opening of -- not long before he went on holiday and
    25        produced his resignation.
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    27   Q.   Let me make a note.
    28        A.  His resignation, was, what, 18th July, was it, and it
    29        would have been probably May/June time, May/June time.
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    31   MR. MORRIS:  So you found out about this matter round about
    32        May/June?
    33        A.  Yes.
    34
    35   Q.   Then you conducted an investigation, you said?
    36        A.  Yes.
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    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  When I said we do not have the clock cards,
    39        we have other documentation but not the original clock
    40        cards themselves.  Was there any other documentation which
    41        might help you?
    42        A.  I mean, I have given as good a guess as I think I can.
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    44   Q.   Could I ask you, I appreciate your last answer, but the
    45        actual clocking, how long had that been done when you
    46        looked into it before you were informed about it?  What was
    47        the time gap there, if any?
    48        A.  If my memory serves me right, I think we were talking,
    49        and I really thought about the amount of money we repaid to
    50        crew. 
    51 
    52   Q.   Yes. 
    53        A.  We had direct evidence of possibly a week or two prior
    54        to the specific date, that is, information, albeit broken
    55        in that maybe we had one night's clock card files ------
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    57   Q.   But when you say the specific event, do you mean before you
    58        were told, you had direct evidence prior to -----
    59        A.  No, when I was told about it and investigated the
    60        situation, we then looked at clock card files which, and

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