Day 104 - 15 Mar 95 - Page 45


     
     1        bolts of the operation, this is what caused the
     2        difficulties.
     3
     4   MR. MORRIS:  What were the specific things she was keen on?
     5        A.  I have said her job and I cannot specify more than that
     6        other than to refer back to her statement.  That is the
     7        main source.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you remember anything more?
    10        A.  I cannot.  I can remember one incident when there was a
    11        meeting on the first day which would have involved spending
    12        some £50,000 on an alteration, which I cannot specify
    13        because I was not given it, but that was the only specific
    14        comment I had about the difficulties.  It did not turn out
    15        to be an exact expense because it never would be. That
    16        would be a matter for more senior Ministry officials, but
    17        that is the exact memory I have of the sort of difficulties
    18        that were being caused.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will pause there.  Can you remember
    21        anything more about what you were told about Ms. Hovi?
    22        A.  No, I cannot, my Lord.
    23
    24   Q.   If your memory is jogged in the future you may, but that is
    25        it for the moment?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will adjourn now and we will resume at
    29        half past 2 with Dr. Pattison.  There is absolutely no
    30        reason for Mr. Bennett to stay.  We hope to come to back to
    31        you at 10.30 tomorrow morning, Mr. Bennett.
    32
    33                         (Luncheon Adjournment)
    34
    35                         Dr. Pattison, Recalled.
    36             Cross-Examined by the Defendants, continued.
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:  If you could get yellow volume IX, please?  Could
    39        you turn to your statement?  It should be at tab 5.  If you
    40        turn to page 50 on the first appendix, this document, when
    41        was this created?
    42        A.  I wrote this about four or five years ago I would
    43        guess.  It is not dated but it was about four years ago.
    44
    45   Q.   So 1991?
    46        A.  Something like that, yes.
    47
    48   Q.   It says here: "Fresh new wood".  At No. 4: "Fresh new wood
    49        shavings are used as environment/index.html">litter for each new batch of chicks."
    50        That was the standard practice at the time, was it? 
    51        A.  Yes, it was and it was before paper environment/index.html">litter was 
    52        generally available to us, so that was the standard 
    53        practice.
    54
    55   Q.   When did that changeover occur?
    56        A.  We have had paper available to us probably since three
    57        or four years ago I should think.
    58
    59   Q.   Is it in use at all the Sun Valley farms now?
    60        A.  No.  We use it on some sites but we still use wood

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