Day 247 - 10 May 96 - Page 28
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Where is it in fact? Have we not found it?
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3 MR. RAMPTON: I cannot find it, my Lord, nor can
4 Mrs. Brinley-Codd. I really do not know.
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us see where we get to (handed) Thank
7 you.
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9 MR. MORRIS: Shall I hand up the whole document?
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. Ask your questions first of all and then
12 if there is any query about it, you may have to.
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14 MR. MORRIS: The first page, Mr. Preston, can you see that?
15 A. Yes.
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17 Q. Does it say, "Ross Park: Quality Safety Audit" on it?
18 A. It does.
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20 Q. Does it say: # "designed to measure progress versus
21 'successful health and safety management', i.e. HSE
22 guidelines"?
23 A. It does.
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25 Q. We are talking about official HSE terminology here, yes?
26 A. I do not official or unofficial. I know what it says
27 on paper.
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29 Q. OK. It says "not legal requirement but part of audit
30 measures compliance with latest legislation". Then it has
31 five sections and it has various weighting to do with
32 it: "The weighted score gives health and safety performance
33 rating"; yes?
34 A. Yes, that is what it says.
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36 Q. Then on the next page it has: "Comparative QSA scores" and
37 for 1991/92, which has "HSE", so presumably this is the
38 time of the HSE Report which was into McDonald's health and
39 safety activities because there was no measurement before
40 the HSE report was there, so this would be an HSE rate?
41 This is what I am assuming?
42 A. I am not familiar with all the terms you are using.
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44 Q. In 1991/92 the percentage scores were: Policy, 38 per
45 cent; organisation 14 per cent -- this is out of 100 --
46 plan and implementation, 17 per cent; measuring, 0 per
47 cent; audit review, 0 per cent, and the total HSPR, which
48 on the previous page was health and safety performance
49 rating, was 13.4 per cent in 1991/92. Then there was an
50 improvement over the next couple of years to June 1994 when
51 the HSPR was 89 per cent.
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53 So, would you accept that in 1991/92, the first time that
54 safety was measured at McDonald's in the kind of formal
55 way, you had an absolutely appalling ----
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not think this helps one bit. We have
58 had days and days of evidence where we went through the
59 report in question, we had what expert witnesses thought
60 about it and everything else. That is an argument you can
