Day 063 - 07 Dec 94 - Page 36
1 A. That is a paperboard container.
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3 Q. Has Perseco in Europe done any calculations to see whether
4 the paperboard container which is used by the Germans and
5 the Austrians (and I think there may be somebody else but
6 I cannot remember) is more or less energy expensive than
7 the polystyrene foam clam shell?
8 A. Yes, we have.
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10 Q. What was your conclusion?
11 A. That the paperboard container on the energy impact is
12 actually more energy expensive than the foam container.
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14 Q. What about atmospheric emissions and waterborne wastes?
15 A. Waterborne wastes, there is a balance. If you look at
16 -- we have looked at two different types of waterborne
17 waste, one being soluble salt where the foam clam shell was
18 worse, and one being COD, which is chemical oxygen amount
19 on the water used, which was actually worse for the
20 paperboards container.
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22 On airborne emissions, again it was more or less a balanced
23 picture. The foam clam shell has a negative in its use of
24 hydrocarbons for blowing. However, the top colour clam
25 shell has a more negative impact in, for instance, its
26 production of acid gases which contribute to acid rain.
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28 Q. This is when it is being incinerated, is it?
29 A. No, this is when it is being made.
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31 Q. In the production?
32 A. In the production.
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34 Q. One thing and then finally one little other: Mr. Van Erp,
35 can you find your CVE 4 exhibit which is the material from
36 Enso-Gutzeit in Finland? Just the first page, the letter
37 Ms. Steel was asking you about?
38 A. Yes, I have it here.
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40 Q. I want you to look at the last big paragraph which has the
41 figure of 33 hectares for 1000 tonnes of paperboard. Do
42 you have that?
43 A. Yes.
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45 Q. I think you said that this is what you need to cut down to
46 produce some 1,000 tonnes of paperboard; that area of trees
47 would need to be cut down to produce 1,000 tonnes, is that
48 right?
49 A. Yes.
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51 Q. Can I ask you this, and perhaps I might be forgiven for
52 leading but it is very important we all understand what is
53 proposed both by yours figures and by Mr. Kouchoukos who
54 did the same exercise. If you wanted 1000 ----
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56 MR. MORRIS: Can I just interject, that this is a very sensitive
57 area of the case and I would hope there would not be any
58 leading questions.
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60 MR. RAMPTON: No, no. I just want to make sure we have all
