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     1        cattle, sheep and pig plants with regard to the efficiency
              of stunning methods, yes, that is absolutely true.
     2
         Q.   We find that, do we, in your references?
     3        A.  I do not think I submitted a copy.
 
     4   Q.   I have something which is entitled something like that,
              Welfare of Red Meat Animals at Slaughter?
     5        A.  That sounds good.
 
     6   Q.   That is 1992 so it is not very good.
 
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What date did you give this report?
              A.  1984.  Do you have an index of these?
     8
         MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, I think it is tab E.  We do not have an
     9        index.
              A.  Can I interrupt?  This is a code of practice.  I think
    10        it is not a report -- you may find the report referred to
              if we look at the list of references, I should think, if
    11        there is one?
 
    12   Q.   There probably is not even a list of references.
              A.  The references are given at the bottom of each page
    13        and I am scanning them -- it does not look good.
 
    14   Q.   Never mind, it is not an important point in the very
              slightest, Dr. Gregory.
    15        A.  No, it is not there.
 
    16   Q.   Not so far as McDonald's are concerned.  Can we go on with
              this sentence at the bottom of this page of the pamphlet.
    17        It goes on:  "... criticised inefficient stunning methods
              which frequently result in animals having their throats
    18        cut while still fully conscious.  McDonald's are
              responsible for the deaths of countless animals by this
    19        supposedly humane method."
 
    20        Dr. Gregory, in your observations of the operations
              conducted by the suppliers of McDonald's with meat from
    21        chicken, pigs and cows, did you find any evidence to
              support the statement that those animals frequently had
    22        their throats cut while still fully conscious?
              A.  In the case of cattle and pigs, it was never; in the
    23        case of frequently in chickens, I think the answer is no,
              because this was not frequent, the fact that 0.7 per cent
    24        of the birds escaped the water bath without being stunned.
 
    25   Q.   One compares that to the passage that I lately read of the
              Defence which attributed a figure of one third to this 
    26        supposed phenomenon.  If it were one third, one could, I 
              assume, safely say that it was frequent? 
    27        A.  I would go along with that.
 
    28   Q.   I am just having a look to see whether there is anything
              else I need to ask you -- only this, perhaps,
    29        Dr. Gregory:  You did do some research on 25 birds from
              Sun Valley.  You did this work, or somebody did, at
    30        Bristol.  It is addendum 2 to your report.  You were
              looking for abnormalities, I think, were you

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