Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 56
1 MR. MORRIS: So it came up in a general discussion?
2 A. Yes.
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4 Q. Rather than just a private chat?
5 A. Yes.
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7 Q. Who was present at that discussion? Was it suppliers and
8 executives of McDonald's?
9 A. No, just Roberto and myself over a cup of coffee.
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11 Q. Mr. Oakley said that soya feed is used for cattle in the
12 UK, Denmark and Germany in the winter months. Do you know
13 if that is the standard throughout the whole of Europe?
14 A. I do not agree with that statement.
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16 Q. What is the situation in Europe?
17 A. Cattle in winter months are fed on barley straw, hay
18 and silage.
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20 Q. What, throughout the whole of Europe?
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Did you mean barley straw or barley, straw,
23 hay and silage?
24 A. Barley straw, sir.
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26 MR. MORRIS: Is that the same throughout Europe?
27 A. Pretty well, yes; with some concentrates, yes.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Why do you not ask Mr. Walker if he knows of
30 cattle fed on soya anywhere in Europe? He may have
31 experience of that, he may not have experience of that. He
32 may just say, "Well, I cannot answer that question. It may
33 happen somewhere. It has not come to my attention." Why
34 not ask?
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36 MR. MORRIS: Well, for example, in Germany in Bavaria, is it not
37 a fact that some percentage of soya is used in the feed
38 even if it is a small per cent?
39 A. I could not comment on that because I do not know.
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41 Q. You do not know what they feed on in Bavaria?
42 A. No, I have been to Bavaria. I have been on food lots
43 on Bavaria. I have seen silage fed to cattle in Bavaria,
44 but when you feed cattle also concentrates you feed them
45 concentrates to keep their mineral levels up, and unless
46 you know the formula of that particular concentrate I could
47 not tell you whether there is soya in there. The
48 concentrate that I use does not have soya in it.
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50 Q. So concentrates are used in some amounts in most European
51 countries, are they?
52 A. Yes because through the winter you have to keep their
53 vitamin levels up.
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55 Q. But, apart from this country, you do not know the content
56 of the concentrates that other people are using?
57 A. We are getting into a very different subject now, my
58 Lord. When you feed cattle and when you breed cattle it is
59 very competitive. I myself might want with my cattle to
60 feed them a concentrate which I believe is a good
