Day 272 - 02 Jul 96 - Page 26
1 others may give direct evidence. What he may have told Mr.
2 Gravett on some previous occasion is not admissible.
3
4 MR. MORRIS: It does not bother me if that is the case.
5
6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. Well, I think that is true. The whole
7 question of self-serving statements is terribly difficult,
8 but I do not see you are really going to gain anything from
9 that evidence. I mean, if you did not give evidence I
10 certainly could not take what you said to someone else as
11 evidence of truth of the fact, and if you do give evidence
12 it is not beyond the bounds of possibility you will say the
13 same thing, and then you will say look, it looks as if I
14 was being consistent.
15
16 MR. MORRIS: Okay. If we go to 25th January for Mr.
17 Pocklington's notes. Again, I do not know what number that
18 would be, but it is 25th January.
19
20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 25th January?
21
22 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
23
24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 68.
25
26 MR. MORRIS: Have you got that?
27 A. No, just wait one moment. Yes.
28
29 Q. Can I just ask you a general question first. Was there
30 anyone, apart from myself, called Dave?
31 A. Yes.
32
33 Q. Associated with the group around this --
34 A. Yes, there was, yes, there was another Dave. He
35 turned up regularly to meetings.
36
37 Q. Right, and --
38 A. He had been involved in the group for quite a long
39 time. I mean, he was certainly attending when I started
40 going in 1986.
41
42 Q. Right.
43 A. Yes.
44
45 Q. Right. Do you remember this meeting?
46 A. I have some recollection of it.
47
48 Q. You said discussion about the future of the group?
49 A. I have some recollection of it, yes.
50
51 Q. Do you know whether or not the Dave mentioned there was me
52 or not, at this distance of time?
53 A. Well, I do not remember you being there, Dave, but I
54 could not say with absolute certainty that you were not. I
55 do not remember for sure who the Dave was, but it could
56 have been him, yes.
57
58 Q. Okay, we will move on to 1st March 1990, which was a
59 meeting you were not at, but I want to just ask you a
60 question about it. Well, you apparently were not at it,
