Day 147 - 04 Jul 95 - Page 25


     
     1        for the time being.  So if you look from page 21, line 56
     2        onwards, and see if I have it right.
     3
     4        I will add a fourth one, that, in addition to no one should
     5        have a transcript if you do not, even if I hold that
     6        McDonald's are entitled to have one by the rules of the
     7        Supreme Court which are made pursuant to statutory powers,
     8        then I should not have one.
     9
    10   MR. MORRIS:  We are not arguing that one no one should have
    11        one.  We are arguing that if someone does have one, that we
    12        should have one.
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is the third.  You are not saying
    15        McDonald's should not be able to buy their own?
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  But if they do -----
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Then I should not have it?
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Effectively; or everyone should have one.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is all part of ordering the first two
    24        applications.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  The last point I would like to make, that the
    27        whole -----
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you say the same with regard to CaseView?
    30        Is there any extra application you have in relation to
    31        CaseView?  You have an additional one in relation to
    32        CaseView, in that you say McDonald's should not be able to
    33        use CaseView.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  Yes.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No one should be able to use CaseView?
    38
    39   MS. STEEL:  Yes; because that was the agreement on CaseView
    40        being used in court, that everyone would be able to make
    41        use of it.  I think that is on Friday, 27th May, page 62.
    42        Mr. Rampton said that, of course, if they had this, they
    43        would be providing the same facilities for us; and that was
    44        the basis on which we agreed.
    45
    46   MR. MORRIS:  My last point is that McDonald's seem to be --
    47        Mr. Rampton recognised earlier on today that a public trial
    48        is "unavoidable" -- his word -- and his clients would have
    49        preferred to avoid a public trial.  They would prefer to
    50        hear legal matters heard in chambers ----- 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, Mr. Morris is doing exactly what I object 
    53        to, and that I knew he would do and was the reason I wanted
    54        to sit in chambers.  He is abusing this courtroom to make
    55        tendentious and unfounded statements ---
    56
    57   MR. MORRIS:  Not at all.
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:  -- as I knew he would.
    60

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