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     1        Dave has already said, Dr. Gomez Gonzalez was supposed to
     2        be speaking to people from the company in order to sort
     3        this out.  I believe that this matter was raised before
     4        then.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Rampton is going to look into it.  I do
     7        not know yet whether there is such a document.  For
     8        instance, Dr. Gomez Gonzalez, first of all, referred to the
     9        bottom of the page; that clearly turned out to be wrong.
    10        I do not know whether he was right or wrong about there
    11        being any additional page.  I know he said he thought there
    12        was but, equally, he said that the note at the bottom of
    13        the page dealt with it, and I thought that it did not.  So,
    14        the most that can be done is to make some enquiry as to
    15        whether there is any such document.  That is my point.
    16
    17   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  But, with respect, you asked Mr. Rampton
    18        whether he was going to chase it up, and he said, "It is a
    19        possible loose end, is all I can say", which to me did not
    20        indicate that he was accepting that it was going to be
    21        chased up.  I thought it was a -----
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is there anything between you, if that is the
    24        position?
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:   I am not clear whether he is saying it is being
    27        chased up or whether it is something that is hanging in the
    28        air, waiting to see -----
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:  Oh, dear.  I have said this, I think, three or
    31        four times today.  Such chasing as can be done without the
    32        assistance of Dr. Gomez Gonzalez will be done.  If that
    33        does not produce anything (which it may or may not do), it
    34        will have to wait until he comes back, until he has
    35        finished his evidence.
    36
    37                  (See separate transcript for ruling)
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  Can I just deal with something under "2",
    40        slaughterhouses' names, as it is relevant to the last
    41        point?
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:  In your judgment, you said that the documents may
    46        be considered to be marginal, bearing in mind the direct
    47        evidence that one would expect to be called.  Just to
    48        remind the court, our experts have not been allowed to
    49        visit slaughterhouses and, also, we have not even been
    50        given the names of the slaughterhouses.  So, two direct 
    51        sources of evidence have been denied us thus far. 
    52 
    53        Although the court can order that any premises give access
    54        to our experts, in this particular case, bearing in mind
    55        that we do now have a witness from a slaughterhouse, at
    56        least there will be some, which is of course fortunate.
    57        This is the new witness, the vet.  I will come on to that
    58        later, our new witnesses.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The way I was approaching it -- there is no

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