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     1        industry was changing.
     2
     3   Q.   In your experience of critics, were they "able to provide
     4        evidence that many of the species that existed in the
     5        natural forest were unable to thrive in a forest exploited
     6        by man.  The living conditions have been changed all too
     7        radically and numerous herbs, lichens, fungi and insects
     8        are being pushed aside.  Some birds and larger animals are
     9        now in living populations which in the long term are not
    10        viable".  Would that be a reasonable -----
    11        A.  Is that quotation from Mr. Jan Remrod?
    12
    13   Q.   No, that is from the pamphlet by the industry?
    14        A.  Which is published by the industry?
    15
    16   Q.   Yes, by Skogsindustrierna?
    17        A.  My Lord, it is difficult for me to tell whether that is
    18        what they said, or why they said it, or in what context
    19        they said it.  What I would know is that in the context of
    20        forest management, the industry is very much aware of the
    21        role that forestry plays in the environment.
    22
    23   Q.   In the cause of problems?
    24        A.  I would imagine it would be very right and proper for
    25        them to be taking action to improve the situation as the
    26        years go by and as the industry could afford to take
    27        action.
    28
    29   Q.   Is it true that the Swedish, forestry industry, recognises
    30         -- it is a direct quote from the pamphlet -- "that the
    31        problem is that a great deal of what was formally found in
    32        abundance in the natural forest has become scarce in the
    33        managed forest.  For example, the forest ecologists pointed
    34        out that many species need forest with ample access to very
    35        old trees.  There is also a large number of plants, animals
    36        insects, lichens and fungi that are dependent on deciduous
    37        trees".  Then it goes on about what ecologists explained.
    38        Would you say that the industry now recognises these
    39        problems caused by plantation forests?
    40        A.  I think you are quoting ecologists' viewpoints and the
    41        judgment of industry in relation to them.
    42
    43   Q.   No, I am quoting, actually, this is the text of the
    44        industry's view itself.  I am asking you if you recognise
    45        that the Swedish forestry industry is now recognising the
    46        environmental problems that managed forests have caused?
    47        A.  I would not question that the forest industry have
    48        recognised that the environment is affected by forestry.
    49        I think that the way in which they have continuously
    50        progressed in applying themselves to this, both in setting 
    51        aside very large areas of reserves and in the way in which 
    52        the forest management has included a wide variety of 
    53        species, an ever growing amount of attention to natural
    54        regeneration, has been one of their very positive
    55        contributions.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I call for a copy of that document now in
    58        case I should want to re-examine on it.  It has been read
    59        out.  It is no good Mr. Morris shoving it back in the
    60        sack.  I may wish to illustrate that it has been

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