Day 105 - 16 Mar 95 - Page 63
1 MR. RAMPTON: We shall get on a lot faster if I am allowed to
2 finish my line of questioning. I have actually, my Lord,
3 now got a copy of the regulations; it belongs to
4 Mr. Bennett. One part came into force on 1st October 1992
5 and the second part on 1st January.
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I not just look at those -- not now
8 necessarily.
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10 MR. RAMPTON: No, it is a thicket. I would not suggest your
11 Lordship look at it now. I do not propose to disclose it
12 as it is a public document and I will get a copy for your
13 Lordship, of course.
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15 MR. MORRIS: Whether it is public or not, if it is relevant it
16 should be disclosed.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, it is a statutory or regulatory
19 provision. In fact, if I get a copy, I will make sure you
20 get one, so do not worry about it.
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22 MR. RAMPTON: I probably will too, but I am not obliged to.
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is not disclosable any more than Gattley
25 on Libel and Slander is.
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27 MR. RAMPTON (To the witness): What I was actually going to ask
28 as a question of fact, which is what I was leading to up to
29 before Ms. Steel stood up, is this: Do you know, as a
30 matter of fact, Mr. Bennett, and if you do not, say so,
31 what period of grace Jarretts had and whether they did what
32 they did within that period of grace or not?
33 A. I do not know a positive answer to that. I could only
34 draw from conclusions.
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36 Q. Do not speculate then. Secondly, what actually did they do
37 to their detention room, physically speaking? Did they
38 just put in a refrigerator or whatever, or did they do
39 something more than that?
40 A. They refrigerated the detention section of that
41 particular part of the plant. There was a detention room
42 and condemned room next to it. The changes that were made
43 was that refrigeration was put into the detention room.
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45 Q. Excuse my ignorance, but if you refrigerate a room in a
46 building, do you have to put in insulation and so on and so
47 forth or not?
48 A. Not for a small room, it is not essential. It is
49 rather more expensive to hold the temperature at the
50 correct temperature and for that it is usually better to
51 insulate it.
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53 Q. Do you know whether they did or whether they did not?
54 A. I honestly could not answer that.
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56 Q. Finally this, Mr. Bennett, you spoke -- this is something
57 which we are only, I think, partly dealing with so far in
58 this case -- of a stage at which the spoilage bacteria
59 begin to replace, or displace, or obliterate, I do not know
60 what it is, any pathogenic bacteria that might be on the
