Day 278 - 11 Jul 96 - Page 40


     
     1        bundle, just to point out, because Mr. Rampton did not read
     2        this out this morning and now I have had a chance to look
     3        through it -- actually I have got the wrong one.  Can I
     4        just say actually something else about rainforests, which
     5        is that McDonald's have made repeated denials that they
     6        have ever used beef from ex-rainforest land along with
     7        their denials that they have got any interests in
     8        ranching.
     9
    10             As we have seen from this case, when they are finally
    11        forced to give a list of the places where they ranch in
    12        Brazil, they were on ex-rainforest land.  And that is not
    13        the only place, they have admitted in their own witness
    14        statements that beef that was used in Costa Rica was reared
    15        on ex-rainforest land.  And to me, they repeatedly deny all
    16        these things, so why should I believe them just because
    17        they are saying they have not got any ranching interests?
    18        They have denied lots of things which we have proven to be
    19        true.  Well, not we personally, but have been, you know,
    20        witnesses have confirmed and lots of things that have been
    21        confirmed by their own documents even though they have
    22        denied that they are true.  They have denied ever using
    23        imported beef and then as it turns out they have imported
    24        beef from Brazil.  I mean, to me, they continually lie so
    25        there is no reason to believe what they say.
    26
    27   Q.   Right.  You wanted to go to Mcspotlight?
    28        A.  Yes.  For some reason I cannot actually find it.  Has
    29        anyone got a spare copy because for some reason I cannot
    30        find my copy (handed).  Yes, it is just on the second page
    31        because Mr. Rampton did not point this out, he was trying
    32        to assert that Mcspotlight and the Mclibel support campaign
    33        were the same thing.  Just to say that it does, I think,
    34        the first one I think was from the Mclibel support campaign
    35        about Mcspotlight and it says, "Please note the Mclibel
    36        support campaign is supportive of but independent from
    37        Mcspotlight, which is a project of the Mcinformation
    38        network based in 14 countries."
    39
    40             And then in the Mcspotlight press release on page 5,
    41        it says:  "Mcspotlight has been constructed by the
    42        Mcinformation Network, an international network of
    43        volunteers working from 14 countries around the world.  It
    44        is autonomous from, but supportive of, the McLibel Two and
    45        the McDonald's McLibel support campaign."
    46
    47             That is what I was saying earlier.  They are nothing
    48        to do with each other and they are not run by us either.  I
    49        don't know whether it matters, and I have not unfortunately
    50        had time to look up the relevant transcript, but I do know
    51        that the quote from about the withdrawal of transcripts is
    52        in the transcripts, and it is something that was said in
    53        court by Mr. Rampton.
    54
    55             I just wanted to confirm that and, if it is possible,
    56        I will look for that tonight and then give exactly the
    57        transcript reference tomorrow.  Just something about -- I
    58        have not got an exact note of what I said this morning, but
    59        when I was talking about the first McLibel Five support
    60        campaign leaflet done by Mr. Gravett, I talked about the

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