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     1        submissions until such and such a date, but that you accept
     2        they must finish by such and such a date, which is what the
     3        end of the six week period would be.
     4
     5   MS. STEEL:  Right, okay.  Well, if we can think about that over
     6        the next week?
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  I think you should come back with what
     9        you want to say when we return next week and I will hear
    10        anything Mr. Rampton wants to say.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, the only thing I need to put into that
    13        discussion is that whether my submissions on the evidence
    14        are in writing or not I do not know.  That may be a
    15        question of time as much as anything.  But what I do intend
    16        to do is to produce some written submissions on the
    17        relevant law, which I would hope would be with your
    18        Lordship and the defendants in good time before whatever
    19        the starting date turns out to be.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Well you indicated, that would
    22        certainly be very helpful to me and the sooner you manage
    23        to do it, obviously, the better.  But it is entirely up to
    24        you.  I am not prepared to give any directions to you which
    25        I am not prepared to give to the defendants.
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  I am grateful for that.
    28
    29             My Lord, only two other small things.  Your Lordship
    30        asked us to confirm whether or not it was the CVs, and I
    31        removed the apostrophe, which was on the Internet or the
    32        witness statements.  Apparently it is the witness
    33        statements of the defendants and their witnesses that are
    34        on the Internet, which is no doubt why Mr. Morris said what
    35        he said this morning, for which I am grateful.
    36
    37             Your Lordship asked some time ago, in relation to some
    38        evidence given, I think, it was by Neil Skehl, what was the
    39        present status of rap sessions.  I think he said that may
    40        be they were going to be abolished or something like that.
    41        In fact, that has not happened.  They were under review,
    42        they are no longer and they are still the accepted form for
    43        that.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So, in effect, the evidence stands and there
    46        is no need to unpick it.
    47
    48   MR. RAMPTON:  Exactly.  Your Lordship should not begin to unpick
    49        it, that is right.  And finally this, your Lordship did a
    50        long time ago -- it is Mrs Brinley-Codd shopping lists that
    51        achieve all these recollections -- ask for complete list of
    52        all the video recordings that are relevant.  That your
    53        Lordship will have next week.  I do not know about the
    54        defendants ones no, these are the ones on which we have
    55        relied, we cannot do that.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I think it is important that, at some
    58        stage, you make a list of your videos.  It seems to me that
    59        just as I have my own bundles of the documents, when I have
    60        heard what everyone wants to say and I reserve my judgment,

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