Day 098 - 07 Mar 95 - Page 51
1 hours, and I know it from general knowledge. There has
2 been some very recent research on it, in fact, which has
3 come out only within the last few days.
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5 MR. RAMPTON: At the moment we have arrived at is that it is
6 quite nice to go in through one's front door and sit down
7 after coming off the tube.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I think you should do (and otherwise you
10 can leave it completely alone), if now you have a Midland
11 Meat Packers witness in the witness box you want to suggest
12 that animals come off lorries showing specific signs of
13 significant stress, then put it to him. If it is just that
14 any animal which travels on the back of a lorry is likely
15 to suffer a degree of stress, then that is probably a
16 somewhat open door. It just depends how much it is.
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18 MR. MORRIS: You want me to ask that last specific question?
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, not that last one. I do not think you
21 need to ask that. It is if there is a specific matter you
22 want to put.
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24 MR. MORRIS: I was hoping about the deaths rate and the sickness
25 and disabled state, but he does not know.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I know. You have not got very far on
28 that because he -- you are certainly entitled to ask but
29 Mr. Chambers does not know the answer. He said the deaths
30 are very, very small and he could not offer you any
31 assistance on the lesser adverse effects.
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33 I have to say, I think the recent research I have in mind
34 is as to travelling times. I think it is just a specific
35 body which has offered a new view on hours and things like
36 that according to species of animal. I am not suggesting
37 anyone goes hunting for it, but there are people who know
38 about these things.
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40 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): You said you had not seen animals
41 trying to jump over the walls which are in any case quite
42 high, yes, to escape? Would it be fair to say that
43 frequently animals, though, turn round, turn round to go
44 the wrong way?
45 A. At which point?
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47 Q. When they are going into the race to the -----
48 A. They cannot turn round.
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50 Q. They cannot turn round?
51 A. No.
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53 Q. So is that designed with that problem in mind then,
54 specifically designed to be narrow?
55 A. To present the cattle to the stunning box in single
56 file. By virtue of that they cannot turn round.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If they were wide enough to turn round, they
59 could probably get two abreast?
60 A. Yes.
