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     1        still being used?
              A.  The direction of the company worldwide was to find
     2        alternatives to HCFC-22, to find solutions that would have
              no ozone depletion effect at all, and Perseco worldwide
     3        headed up that effort to find those solutions and
              implement them worldwide for McDonald's.
     4
         Q.   Aside from the fact that, to an extent, both in the
     5        Phillipines and in Turkey there is still a use of HCFC-22,
              are you satisfied with the application of those concerns
     6        in practice since that time?
              A.  I am very pleased with our progress we have made, yes.
     7
         Q.   Are you conscious of the phase-out periods for HCFC-22
     8        laid down by the Montreal Convention?  Do you know what
              they are?
     9        A.  Only in very general terms.
 
    10   Q.   May I ask you this question:  Has the rate of phase out in
              the McDonald's organisation for HCFC-22 exceeded or lagged
    11        behind?
              A.  It has far exceeded it.  I do believe that the HCFC-22
    12        phase-out date is -- it is different in different
              countries.  To my knowledge, United States it is in the
    13        year 2010.
 
    14   Q.   2010?
              A.  Right.
    15
         Q.   You have not used them since 1990?
    16        A.  Right.  That is my knowledge.  No, it could be from
              2000 but I do believe it is 2010.
    17
         Q.   What volume have you got there now, Mr. Langert?
    18        A.  Volume V.
 
    19   Q.   Could you put volume IV there as well.  Have you still got
              open the EDF executive summary?
    20        A.  Yes, indeed.
 
    21   Q.   We are going to go back to volume V in a minute, so I do
              not want you to put it away.  I stopped at the sentence on
    22        page 140 which finished:  "Packaging its sandwich items".
              Yes?  It goes on:  "The wraps provide a 70 to 90 per cent
    23        reduction in package volume resulting in significantly
              less space consumed in landfills".  Had you done research
    24        calculations and analysis to arrive at that conclusion?
              A.  Yes, we did -- well, we had it done by an outside
    25        firm.
  
    26   Q.   I am sorry, yes.  "Compared to the polystyrene foam boxes 
              they replaced, the new sandwich wraps also offer a 
    27        substantial saving in energy used and substantial
              reduction in pollutant releases measured over a full life
    28        cycle of the package", according to Franklin Associates,
              an independent consulting firm.
    29
              Pausing there, Mr. Langert, can you turn back -- this is
    30        just for identification -- a tab in the bundle to page
              118?

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