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1 Then we can see if it is not how it bears on the leaflet.
2 What I need to know when we have a witness in the witness
3 box is the extent to which you dispute any evidence which
4 he may give us as to the extent of suffering as he
5 perceives it. Dr. Gregory did not just use the word
6 "moos"; he said the cow bellows for its calf. Is that a
7 fair description?
8 A. It can be, my Lord.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But what I need to know now is are you
11 suggesting that it does last more than a day?
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13 MS. STEEL: As I say, I have not got my notes at the moment.
14 I think this is a bit of problem area because, as far I am
15 concerned, we should be entitled to express our opinions.
16 If we happen to think that 12 hours suffering for human
17 desires is unacceptable, we should be allowed to express
18 that whether or not Mr. Walker does not think that is the
19 case.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I appreciate that, but you will express it at
22 the end of the day, do you see?
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24 MS. STEEL: Right.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You will say to me even a day is quite
27 unconscionable and I will have to consider that. But if
28 you say it is not a day, it is a week or it is there
29 forever, I need it put to the witness so I can hear the
30 witness's response.
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32 MS. STEEL: But, with respect, I am not sure it is for you to
33 decide whether a day is acceptable or not, because that may
34 be in terms of your own belief but where we are talking
35 about matters of opinion other people should be entitled to
36 express the opinion that it is not acceptable for whatever
37 length of time.
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39 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not gainsaying that. I will listen to
40 everything you say.
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42 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I have quite lot to say on that topic, as
43 you would expect.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Maybe, but at the moment we want to know what
46 the factual evidence is.
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48 MS. STEEL: Well, the point I was making was Mr. Walker seemed
49 to be accepting that the suffering of animals is inevitable
50 for the meat industry. Is that correct?
51 A. Are you asking me a question, sorry?
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53 Q. As a result of the meat industry the suffering of animals
54 is inevitable?
55 A. The answer to that must be yes.
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57 Q. Thank you.
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59 MR. MORRIS: We have nearly finished for today.
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