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3 MR. RAMPTON: No, my Lord, I am sorry. I am not going consent
4 to that without a formal legal argument. I am not going to
5 allow Mr. Van Erp -----
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Right. Put that on the list of the items we
8 have got to deal with. Let us carry on with Mr. Van Erp.
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10 MR. RAMPTON: Let Mr. Van Erp do his summary, if I may suggest
11 it, and see where we get to.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If need be, we can have that as part of the
14 argument whether in the first instance it should be a
15 summary and I should reserve the documentation.
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17 MR. MORRIS: It is not because of our desire to bring lots of
18 documents -----
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, I think ready for the argument I would
21 like you to sketch out an argument of just where the
22 figures take you at the end of the day; that is the point.
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24 MR. MORRIS: Certainly we can do that.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Because if it is up a gum tree it is not
27 going to be worth it. If it is going to be productive,
28 then certainly it may be worth it.
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30 MR. MORRIS: It is very simple to us, the use of corrugated
31 paper is very extensive.
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, do not do it now. Let us carry on with
34 Mr. Van Erp. All I am saying is prepare an argument as to
35 the relevance and, therefore, the importance of this
36 information, not a long one, but think about what you are
37 going to say about that.
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39 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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41 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, it is not the use of corrugated paper, it
42 is the distinction between post-industrial and
43 post-consumer that the Defendants need to concentrate on
44 which they have not so far done, as far as I am concerned.
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46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What is the importance of knowing what
47 percentage is PI and what percentage is PC of the recycled
48 percentage in the corrugated transport boxes?
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50 MR. MORRIS: I thought that was dealt by reference to McDonald's
51 own documents.
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If it is, there is no need to have this, but
54 that is what you have to focus on, to show that these
55 documents are worth having.
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57 MR. MORRIS: Yes, but the relevance of the post-industrial
58 versus post-consumer content, I thought was accepted by the
59 McDonald's Corporation in their own documents.
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