Day 134 - 13 Jun 95 - Page 30


     
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     2   Q.   Do you remember that the number of codes has increased over
     3        the last few years?
     4        A.  Not over the last few years, no.  I said yesterday that
     5        I think may be one more has been added now but, as you can
     6        see, this is from 1990 and we may have one more here, but
     7        I do not ever recollect a time when there were only 12.
     8        Whether that was 15 to 20 years ago, I do not know.
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    10   Q.   What is the new one, No. 20, that you have said?
    11        A.  I did not say it was No. 20.  I said there maybe
    12        another one.
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    14   Q.   So what is the new one has been added then?
    15        A.  I am not sure.  I was trying to be helpful in saying
    16        I think there is one more that is current, but it might be
    17        something to do with working for franchisees, I think,
    18        going to work for a franchisee, I think we may have added
    19        that.
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    21   Q.   These two pages, these readings, are what are put down by
    22        the managers after a person has left, yes?
    23        A.  Yes.
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    25   Q.   On some form somewhere?
    26        A.  Yes.
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    28   Q.   Is it on a standard form that a Manager puts down for all
    29        the employees, or is it for each employee there would be a
    30        reason for leaving in their personal file that will have to
    31        be aggregated at some stage later on?
    32        A.  I did not understand the first scenario but I will say
    33        how it happens.  The Manager writes it on to the inside of
    34        the application form which forms their record, and also
    35        puts -- so they write it in but they also put it on to the
    36        payroll system when they terminate a person via a number.
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    38   Q.   Mr. Rampton went through this to some extent.
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    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I suggest you restrict yourself to particular
    41        points you want to make in so far as Mr. Rampton did not
    42        bring them out anyway.  When I say "particular points you
    43        make", again not in argument but if you think Ms. Mead can
    44        help or develop the matter further.
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    46   MR. MORRIS:  The 22 or 23 per cent in document D that are No. 1,
    47        that return to school or college, that percentage cannot
    48        possibly explain why there is such a large turnover rate,
    49        can it, whether it was 196 or 440 or, indeed, 120 per
    50        cent?  That section is only a fifth of the reasons that 
    51        people have left? 
    52        A.  It is a little over a fifth, but certainly it does not 
    53        account for every leaver, no, that is right.  I think the
    54        figures show that.
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    56   Q.   I presume if they are under 18 they would be at school, if
    57        they are over 18 they would be at college -- you do not
    58        know?
    59        A.  I do not know.  Some people go to college when they are
    60        under 18 too.

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