Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 38


     
     1   Q.   I see, "inside" is enclosed?
     2        A.  Yes, it is enclosed and I take it that is what they
     3        meant.
     4
     5   Q.   The next one is Spain.  There you notice "export to
     6        Portugal", they get some of their meat from Germany.  They
     7        do use electric prods.  They also use the captive bolt
     8        pistol, you will see.  The next one is Taiwan.  We notice
     9        that they say they get their beef from Australia; they
    10        export to Japan, USA and Taiwan.  That must be wrong, must
    11        it not, because you cannot export Taiwanese beef to Taiwan,
    12        can you?
    13        A.  That is correct.
    14
    15   Q.   Do you know of any Taiwanese beef in the United States?
    16        A.  No, I must admit, there has been a mistake.
    17
    18   Q.   More seriously, perhaps -----
    19        A.  We do import their product.  They get a little bit
    20        confused.  We do import products from the US into Japan --
    21        into Taiwan.
    22
    23   Q.   Yes, certainly.
    24        A.  So they probably get confused.
    25
    26   Q.   I was going to ask you whether you know of any Australian
    27        beef used for McDonald's in the United States?
    28        A.  No, we do not use -- we only use domestic beef in the
    29        US.
    30
    31   Q.   We notice that further down they say:  "Are the animals
    32        rested prior to stunning and slaughtering"?  They say:
    33        "Yes, minimum of 24 hours".  Is there any advantage or
    34        disadvantage, for that matter, from the animal welfare
    35        point of view of resting an animal for, let us say, 24
    36        hours before it is slaughtered?
    37        A.  Yes, the animals become more familiar with their
    38        surroundings.
    39
    40   Q.   If you rush an animal out of a transport vehicle, a truck,
    41        up a shoot and into a stunning pen, is there a risk it may
    42        become stressed?
    43        A.  That is correct.  It will show in the meat.
    44
    45   Q.   The next is Guatemala.  Some of the questions do not seem
    46        to be answered.  There is some Spanish on the fax
    47        transmission sheet.  Can you help us with that?
    48        A.  Spanish?
    49
    50   Q.   Yes.  There is a message to you. 
    51        A.  Sorry, yes. 
    52 
    53   Q.   It looks like a lady or it might be a gentleman?
    54        A.  Yes, it is a lady.
    55
    56   Q.   In Spanish, I wonder whether you could help us translate
    57        it?  You must assume -----
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He had better read it first, had he not?
    60

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