Day 059 - 01 Dec 94 - Page 71


     
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     2   Q.   Get charged?
     3        A.  McDonald's, yes.
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     5   Q.   So, if there was a penalty on McDonald's in this country if
     6        they did not do recycling, then they would do it, would
     7        they?
     8        A.  I think if it was levied at the same rate as it in
     9        Germany there would be no option but to do it.
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    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It may just be that the governments of this
    12        country and Germany might have some insight into the
    13        characteristics of their own population, and the German
    14        government thinks there is a greater of prospect success
    15        there.
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    17   MR. MORRIS:  But it is the corporation that has to be penalised,
    18        not customers, would they not, if they did not do
    19        recycling, so maybe they have an insight into the way to
    20        get companies to do ----
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We just do not know, do we?
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    24   MR. MORRIS:  Well, we know it was the corporation that would get
    25        penalised, do we not?
    26        A.  In this context, yes.  In a pure retail context, no,
    27        the customer gets penalised.
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    29   Q.   Yes, but you are the customer?
    30        A.  In this context, yes.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How is it going in Manchester?  Are the
    33        Mancunians showing themselves more adept at sorting out
    34        polystyrene, or have the stores there just accepted the
    35        responsibility of emptying the bins and sorting out the
    36        polystyrene which should be there from the paper and
    37        cardboard which should not?
    38        A.  I think it is fair to say, my Lord, that recycling in
    39        Manchester has improved over Nottingham.  If we had a
    40        national -----
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    42   Q.   Because the customers have become used to separating it?
    43        A.  Yes.
    44
    45   Q.   Or how?
    46        A.  They have become used to it.  Once it becomes a habit
    47        it gets better and better frankly.
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    49   Q.   So once you get over what may be the first resistance to
    50        it, it turns out to be fairly successful, does it? 
    51        A.  Yes.  I think if it was viable and meaningful, or even 
    52        a legal requirement and we had to do this, it would work. 
    53        We are not saying by the Nottingham example that it could
    54        not work.  We are just saying what we found basically, but
    55        it could work, yes, if it had to.
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    57   MR. MORRIS:  Can we just, while we finish off this particular
    58        subject, go to a document that was served today?  It was
    59        the German ----
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