Day 119 - 02 May 95 - Page 65
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2 MR. MORRIS: 26,000. I took the 2,000 -- I took a healthy 2,000
3 off for salaried staff.
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have taken about 1,600 off 28,000 and got
6 to about 26, have you?
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8 MR. MORRIS: Just for the sake of argument. So something like
9 at any one time of 26,000 crew, 800 can progress to a
10 salaried position?
11 A. Well, no. 1,594 can progress.
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13 Q. But in reality because you say the figures are about 50 per
14 cent, then about 800 -----
15 A. Is the likely number.
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17 Q. Is the likely number, OK?
18 A. It would be delightful to have everybody in Operations
19 start as crew. It does not happen in reality.
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21 Q. You hire in people from outside to take salaried positions,
22 do you not? People come from outside the company directly
23 into salaried positions?
24 A. Yes, salaried management positions.
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26 Q. Yes?
27 A. Yes, 49.9 per cent.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It sounds as if you have some kind of
30 postgraduate management scheme?
31 A. We do have a lot, yes.
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33 Q. Because I notice they gave -----
34 A. I am not conscious what the figure is now. I think it
35 was running at somewhere around about 30 per cent, my Lord.
36 Again Lyn Mead would have those statistics. She is much
37 more up to date on figures than I am.
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39 MR. MORRIS: But those postgraduate managers, they are good at
40 their jobs are they? They are not an inferior quality
41 manager, are they, compared to ex crew managers?
42 A. No, and indeed some of them started as crew. They were
43 part-time crew before they came in -----
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45 Q. But in terms of the people that are hired from the outside,
46 they are good management material of the people you employ?
47 A. Yes.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is there any way of knowing of those 800, for
50 instance, how many actually started as part-timers while
51 they were at school, or during their university career, and
52 then came in as graduate management trainees?
53 A. I think it is a figure that could be found. I do not
54 know, but I think it is a figure that could be found out,
55 my Lord.
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57 Q. Because that might be what our epidemiologists call "a
58 confounding factor", that there they may be classed as ex
59 crew, although in fact their true route of entry is through
60 graduate management trainee?
