Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 60


     
     1        A.  No, not now.
     2
     3   Q.   Not now, but was it prior to 1989?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   McDonald's did not have any policy to prevent that going
     7        into the feed for the cattle that ended up being used by
     8        them?
     9        A.  Well, no, there was no restriction on it to anybody.
    10        I mean at that time it was just everybody could use a
    11        protein meal if they wanted to.
    12
    13   Q.   That would include McDonald's?
    14        A.  That would include -- well, it would include that meat
    15        that eventually went to McDonald's.
    16
    17   Q.   Do you ever visit the farms that rear the cattle that end
    18        up in McDonald's burgers?
    19        A.  No.
    20
    21   Q.   You do not?
    22        A.  No.
    23
    24   Q.   So you have no idea what those farms are up to?
    25        A.  Yes, I have a very good idea because I have a farm
    26        myself.
    27
    28   Q.   But it will basically be standard practice?
    29        A.  Well, I have a very good idea of standard practice in
    30        cattle rearing, yes.
    31
    32   Q.   Yes, but what I mean is if say -- well, you do not go to
    33        the farms to make any checks that the animals are not being
    34        beaten or something like that?
    35        A.  No, I do not think you can do that very practically at
    36        the rate of six and a half thousand head of cattle a week;
    37        it is too many to look at.
    38
    39   Q.   Or to check up on any other welfare considerations whilst
    40        they are being reared, you are not in a position to be able
    41        to do that?
    42        A.  No.  In the way you are saying it, no, but do keep,
    43        please, bearing in mind that unless cattle are healthy and
    44        contented they will not put on weight and any commercial
    45        farmer is trying to get cattle to make weight.  An unhappy
    46        animal will not put on weight.
    47
    48   Q.   You said yesterday that animals responded to food, not to
    49        the environment, is that right?
    50        A.  Yes. 
    51 
    52   Q.   So you are saying there as long as the animal is fed it is 
    53        going to be happy and contented, basically?
    54        A.  Yes.  When you use the term "environment" you are
    55        talking about whether it is housed or in the open air?  Is
    56        that what you mean by "environment"?
    57
    58   Q.   The circumstances that they live in.
    59        A.  Yes.
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