Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 36
1 A. They do get some raw materials that are processed in
2 Malaysia -- actually they used to, not any more.
3
4 Q. They do not any more?
5 A. No, it is strictly because of economic reasons.
6
7 Q. We see that it is reported that the Uruguayan people mostly
8 give "yes" answers, including to the prod, but that they
9 are said to use something -- have you that particular
10 sheet? It is the last one in the Malaysia section, section
11 D?
12 A. Yes.
13
14 Q. They are said to use as a method of stunning "electric
15 hammer (knocker)"; do you know what that is?
16 A. I have been in that facility and it is actually captive
17 bolt stunning.
18
19 Q. This is in Montevedeo is it not?
20 A. Yes. It might have been a translation from Spanish to
21 English.
22
23 Q. That is actually a captive bolt pistol?
24 A. But it is a captive bolt, yes. Those people
25 (inaudible).
26
27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Would the Spanish word used for "captive
28 bolt" translate to electric hammer or?
29 A. If you look at the device, it could look like a gun,
30 because that is what it is, or it could look like a
31 hammer. What they do, the way they stun the animals, they
32 go like this and touch them in the head, so it actually
33 looks like a hammer. That is why they describe it that
34 way.
35
36 MR. RAMPTON: Then can you please turn over to the next section,
37 section E, which deals with Turkey? We notice that it is
38 partially from Turkey and it is partially imported. Do you
39 know this establishment in Turkey?
40 A. I have not been there, no.
41
42 Q. We notice that they do not control the noise levels --
43 perhaps they should -- and they do not protect them from
44 cold or hot prior to slaughter. Is that something you
45 would like to see improved?
46 A. Especially the noise, yes.
47
48 Q. The noise, yes?
49 A. Yes.
50
51 Q. Then they write: "Stunning is not practiced according to
52 religious slaughtering requirements"; then we see: "Are
53 animals slaughtered under religious requirements", Halal,
54 Kosher, etcetera. "Yes". Can I ask you this, in case we
55 do not know: Does the Halal method of slaughtering exclude
56 prior stunning?
57 A. Yes, it does, although that is not always followed.
58
59 Q. Not always followed?
60 A. No, it is not consistent. I have seen it applied in
