Day 043 - 01 Nov 94 - Page 77
1 has to be a break in his evidence, to have that now and go
2 on with Mr. Green.
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4 MS. STEEL: We can say something on that. I just want to come
5 back on this, because I am worried about it. Various
6 experts have referred to various surveys and studies. This
7 has not come up before, that an expert has to prove every
8 study and survey they want to refer to. Then we had the
9 surveys referred to by Mr. Fairgrieve, who is not even an
10 expert, which were done by Fasttrack. I cannot remember
11 the name of the other organisation. I mean, we are trying
12 not to be awkward really. I do not think there would be
13 anything to be gained by forcing someone from Fasttrack to
14 come to this court to say: "Yes, we did this survey".
15 I think it would be a waste of everyone's time.
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17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We have to take it step by step. I am
18 anxious not to prolong the discussion because I am speaking
19 on very limited information. When I have all the
20 information, I may or may not come to a view that it is
21 admissible in its own right. Tell me how long you think
22 probably it would take you to complete your
23 cross-examination of Mr. Hawkes?
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25 MS. STEEL: I am not really sure.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do your best.
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29 MS. STEEL: Can I say one other thing? The other question I was
30 asking about, about telling witnesses what to say when they
31 come, you know, to court -- I have found what Mr. Rampton
32 said on the screen. This is why I was -----
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34 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Page number?
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36 MS. STEEL: It is page 69, line 40. [Ref. page 73 line 32 of
37 the transcript] "If I am able to do so I would like to be
38 able to ----"
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let me find it. Yes, well, I had understood
41 Mr. Rampton
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43 MS. STEEL: It says: "I would like to be able to arm Mr. Hawkes
44 with the information which I think he may need."
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46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have put one construction on that. What
47 I thought he meant, maybe you are right, was give
48 Mr. Hawkes the opportunity to obtain for himself.
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50 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, that is a terrible misconception. It is
51 probably my fault for using the wrong form of words. It
52 flows out of what I got leave from your Lordship yesterday,
53 which is simply to speak to Mr. Hawkes about the matter.
54 What has been arranged is that if he is given the
55 opportunity, he will go off and get the information. He
56 will have to give it to me, of course and my solicitors,
57 but beyond that it does not go -- the Defendants should be
58 absolutely certain that neither I nor my solicitors tell
59 witnesses what to say, particularly -- I say "particularly"
60 -- when they are giving their evidence.
