Day 143 - 27 Jun 95 - Page 48


     
     1   Q.   So you got that information from where?
     2        A.  From my owner/operators and the attorney that
     3        represented the owner/operators.
     4
     5   Q.   Anyway, you have a relationship with this union, have you
     6        not, now?
     7        A.  Yes, we do.
     8
     9   Q.   You have an agreement with them?
    10        A.  Yes, we do.
    11
    12   Q.   So you must be satisfied with the way they conduct their
    13        business in terms of making an agreement with you?
    14        A.  It took a long time in negotiations to get to where we
    15        wound up.
    16
    17   Q.   Let us have a look at that.  If we go to page 7, if you
    18        read what the union claims are the sticking points in the
    19        breakdown discussions on page 8, this would have been
    20        in  -----
    21        A.  Page 8?
    22
    23   Q.   Yes, this would be after discussions with the union, union
    24        and McDonald's discussions in 1983?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   On page 8, they have what they claim are the sticking
    28        points?
    29        A.  OK, so where do you want me to read from?
    30
    31   Q.   Page 8, basically.
    32        A.  At the top in the middle of the sentence or the next
    33        paragraph?
    34
    35   Q.   I cannot quote the bits that I want to put to you so you
    36        just read -----
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, what I suggest, all you need do is ask
    39        Mr. Stein whether these were the differences between
    40        McDonald's and the union, or some of them, and then just in
    41        summary form put the first and so on.
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  Right.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If he does not know the answer to the first,
    46        then I suggest you ask him whether he knows anything about
    47        the course of the negotiations and what the sticking points
    48        were.  If the answer to that is no, then you really have to
    49        move on.
    50 
    51        I appreciate, if I may so, that what you are seeking to do 
    52        in a number of these areas is to take advantage of the 
    53        course which the Court of Appeal said was a legitimate
    54        course, to see whether there is evidence which may be
    55        obtained from a witness called by McDonald's about
    56        something.  But, if the answer is no, I think you really
    57        have to leave it there.  You have had your go.  That is my
    58        first reaction.
    59
    60        The second is this, that when you press there is always a

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