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1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Give me an example which you think you
can -----
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MR. MORRIS: I want to come back on, for example the leeching
3 of chemicals into food when styrofoam packaging is used or
polystyrene packaging is used.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: What troubles me about embarking on that is
5 not that it would not be a matter you could cross-examine
Mr. Kouchoukos on, but you will have five pen'th of that
6 today, Mr. Lipsett will come over and explain to you --
this is no criticism of him -- more clearly or more fully
7 exactly what he had in mind and what the basis for it
was. You would need another five pen'th with
8 Mr. Kouchoukos after that. Do you see what I mean?
9 MR. MORRIS: Yes. The problem is, if you look at it from the
other way round, is that Mr. Kouchoukos has made some
10 assertion and, presumably, has some experience in this.
11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you know exactly what -- is there a
positive case you want to put to him, or does that really
12 rely on Mr. Lipsett's evidence when he comes?
13 MR. MORRIS: I was going to question Mr. Kouchoukos to see what
he knows. He has made some assertions.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is one point. Were there others, or is
15 that one which is particularly concerning you?
16 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, whilst we are on that -- I do not know
whether this is helpful or not -- I think the line of my
17 questioning was, essentially, this, whether Mr. Kouchoukos
knew of any scientific evidence or opinion to support what
18 Mr. Lipsett had written in that paragraph. To explore
what he may or may know about the subject would seem
19 fairly sterile at this stage.
20 If Mr. Lipsett should come to court armed with a whole lot
of convincing looking scientific evidence, then I would
21 have to think whether ---
22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You would have to reconsider your position
anyway.
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MR. RAMPTON: -- I recall him.
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MR. MORRIS: I do not quite understand the subtleties -- it is
25 subtleties for me -- on the balance of ------
26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us just put it. Do you have any
particular expertise or knowledge with regard to the
27 leeching of polystyrene into beverages contained in
polystyrene cups?
28 A. No, I do not.
29 MR. MORRIS: Has McDonald's ever looked into that potential
problem or asked you to look into that potential problem?
30 A. The only thing we do is make sure that the FDA's
guidelines are followed on how much styrene can remain in
