Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 26


     
     1        to be sustainable.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   What was the 1.42?  Square miles per cubic
     4        volume for what, though?
     5
     6   MR. MORRIS:   It is all very complicated.  I think that people
     7        were at cross-purposes as well during discussion, so I am
     8        not sure if I want to go into it, because I think that I am
     9        going to do it in a way that I think is simpler.  I think
    10        people were starting from the wrong angle, partly because
    11        that had been McDonald's line.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Did Mr. Hopkins say -----
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:   Starting with the volume of wood that they used,
    16        volume of pulp that they used, or the volume of -- in fact,
    17        the volume of packaging that they used by weight.  The
    18        weight of packaging used, which I think is -- I mean, I can
    19        invite you to read it carefully yourself.
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   I may have to, but the problem is, you see,
    22        I had a quick look at your figures and you start with 20
    23        square miles, which you appear to have got from
    24        Mr. Kouchoucos.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:   Yes, it might be slightly higher.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Was that a sustainable growth or what?
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:   No, no, this is based upon his figures.  I will
    31        come to that in a minute.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  All right.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:   Just forget the figures for a moment.  I am just
    36        trying to identify in Mr. Mallinson's expert opinion things
    37        that are relevant in terms of - forget the figures - in
    38        terms of forest area, forest cover.  So he accepted that,
    39        for example, on page 56, line 52, it is in his statement
    40        anyway, which we have now got, his extra statement, that,
    41        for example, it takes 1,590 tons of pulp wood and 180 tons
    42        of sawmill residue to create a thousand tons of saleable
    43        carton board.  That is before it is chopped up into various
    44        products.
    45
    46        So it would be something like you need 1.7 or so times the
    47        amount of input in a pulp factory at the beginning of the
    48        process to what you get out at the end of the process, in
    49        terms of pulp production to carton board production.
    50 
    51        That would go to, for example, my point 6, which I had 
    52        underestimated because by the time I did that I had not 
    53        analysed all these figures accurately, so that would be my
    54        point 6 about material lost in production.
    55
    56        So moving on, page 63 of Mr. Mallinson's evidence, he
    57        basically said that McDonald's use would be secondary
    58        cuttings, which, if they were not thinnings, they would be
    59        tops, but the basic point is that they are never going to
    60        be sawn wood.  There is always going to be the majority of

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