Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 46
1 Q. Yes, I am not saying you do not replace it; I am saying you
2 have a forest which maintains its size over hundreds of
3 years, if necessary, yes, but you need a forest of that
4 size, 112 square miles, to extract the 1.42 square miles in
5 a year, and at the end of 80 years you would still have the
6 forest there and you would still be extracting the 1.42
7 square miles.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You are saying you would not need that much
10 to still have the forest there. Would you explain why?
11 A. The only reason why is if you took a forest which was
12 as large as you said and extracted both the product from
13 the clearfelled area and the thinnings, you have a
14 progression, it goes on over that whole of period of time
15 in which trees are growing. So, you have, in fact,
16 maturing trees of the areas that are thinned and you have
17 replacement trees in the area that is cleared. So, in that
18 cycle you get, in fact more growth -- after all, we are
19 talking about a growth factor of five metre cube per
20 hectare per annum, and that is going contributed all the
21 time. What I am suggesting is that you -- in any case what
22 we are talking about is trying to suggest the entire forest
23 product needed by McDonald's comes from one big forest, it
24 does not; it comes from a multitude of many forests.
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26 MR. MORRIS: Yes, what I am saying is that is the kind of
27 pattern that has been established in terms of the evidence
28 that has been given and, to some extent, we are stuck with
29 it. So, are you saying that it is possible -- if I say
30 that you need a forest of 112 square miles in order to
31 extract the 1.42 square miles needed in a year, are you
32 saying that, in fact, it could be somewhat smaller?
33 A. Yes.
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35 Q. Because of ---
36 A. Yes.
37
38 Q. -- so it could be ---
39 A. I would not -----
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41 Q. -- 80 square miles, for example?
42 A. It would be very nice to have 112 squares miles, it
43 would be a very good way of ensuring that you had a
44 multi-purpose forest and it would be a very good way of
45 ensuring that you could show under any measurement you
46 would like to use that that forest was sustainable.
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48 Q. So, that would give you a bit healthy leeway in terms of
49 managing the forest sustainably?
50 A. Of course.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It looks inevitable you are going have to be
53 asked to come back on a subsequent day, Mr. Mallinson. Can
54 you tell me this: Would it be possible for you to sit down
55 in the meantime -- I appreciate you say it is not the way
56 it works -- to work out what sort of area of forest of the
57 kind you find in the south of Scotland or Finland, or you
58 think Mr. Kouchoukos must have been contemplating in the
59 United States -- I appreciate there are differences but,
60 broadly, in the same category -- which would provide enough
