Day 262 - 13 Jun 96 - Page 22


     
     1   Q.   I mean, if you had heard me say that I had had a hand in
     2        producing the anti-McDonald's leaflets, or something like
     3        that, would you have made a note of that?
     4        A.  I probably would have made a note of it, yes.
     5
     6   Q.   Because it would have been something quite important?
     7        A.  It would have been something noteworthy.
     8
     9   Q.   Just one other thing.  I mean, you actually used to speak
    10        to me quite a lot, for example, when we went to the pub
    11        afterwards, after the meetings.  I mean, you showed us a
    12        card trick and, you know, we used to chat quite a lot.  You
    13        recollect that, yes?
    14        A.  I do not recollect the particular card trick, but I do
    15        recollect talking to you, yes.
    16
    17   Q.   You made a Travelcard in your hand disappear?
    18        A.  Right.
    19
    20   Q.   Do you recollect it?
    21        A.  Not offhand, but I will take your word for it.
    22
    23   MR. MORRIS:  Can you make them appear as well?  That would be
    24        quite useful!
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:   You do not recollect me ever saying to you that
    27        I had produced the anti-McDonald's leaflets, I had written
    28        them or printed them, or anything like that?
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He said: "If I had heard you had had a hand
    31        in producing anti-McDonald's leaflets, I would have
    32        probably noted it.  It would be noteworthy" -- words to
    33        that effect.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:   Right.  That would have been the kind of thing you
    36        would be particularly listening out for, would it not?
    37        A.  It would -----
    38
    39   Q.   I mean, that is what the investigation was about?
    40        A.  It would be something I would certainly make an effort
    41        to try and remember, yes.  It was something I would be
    42        likely to have written down, yes.
    43
    44   MS. STEEL: In conversations in the pub -- not just with me, but
    45        with other people -- if you were trying to find out
    46        information, was that the sort of thing you would ask about
    47        as well?  For example, you said you might have asked, at
    48        that meeting, you know, how it came about that someone said
    49        the person who wrote the leaflet had left the group; you
    50        said you might have asked that question.  That was the sort 
    51        of thing that you might have asked us, as individuals, in 
    52        the pub? 
    53        A.  I may well have, should an occasion or the subject have
    54        arisen.  I was possibly not bold enough to actually
    55        introduce the subject, but if there was a conversation that
    56        was relevant, it is certainly possible I would have those
    57        questions, yes.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  You were still at work in the pub, so to speak? You
    60        were not off duty?  You still considered you were

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