Day 195 - 04 Dec 95 - Page 45


     
     1   Q.   How many times did you see or hear that actually happen?
     2        A.  What, with them being asked, or them working beyond
     3        that time?
     4
     5   Q.   Both.
     6        A.  Both -- I heard a few times them being asked about it,
     7        and very frequently them actually working after those
     8        hours.  So, in other words, what I am saying is that if
     9        somebody expressed a willingness to do closes after
    10        12 o'clock, whether he was under 18 or not, he would have
    11        been probably, without being asked, he would have been
    12        doing the closes then frequently.
    13
    14   Q.   I am not sure I am following that.   I think my question
    15        was how often did you actually experience somebody that you
    16        knew to be under 18 working after the permitted hour,
    17        whether it was 10.00 for girls or midnight for boys?
    18        A.  Very frequently.
    19
    20   Q.   Very frequently?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   Give us an idea.  In a night close how many people would
    24        there be generally, six, seven, something like that?
    25        A.  It depended on the season.  If it was the time when,
    26        you know, the summer period or holiday period, school --
    27        people were still at school and working, and they wanted
    28        to, if they were wanting to earn the money, yes, they
    29        would, it would happen frequently that they would stay
    30        beyond those hours.
    31
    32   Q.   But your normal night closes, what, six or seven people
    33        maybe five in a restaurant like Colchester?
    34        A.  Let us see.  Probably, yes, five or six people, six
    35        crew members.
    36
    37   Q.   During these school holiday periods how many do you say of
    38        those five, six or seven people would be under 18?
    39        A.  Two.
    40
    41   Q.   Come, please, with me to the next paragraph:  "One of the
    42        people I referred to earlier as having worked 26 hour
    43        shifts was a 17 year old girl".  You told us this morning
    44        that was Tracy Milleine?
    45        A.  That is right.
    46
    47   Q.   Then you said:  "I specifically remember that on one
    48        occasion, having worked that number of hours, the girl
    49        could barely stand on her feet and was close to collapse".
    50        Then you go on:  "As far as I know, she worked those sorts 
    51        of hours because she desperately needed the money.  She had 
    52        problems at home with her parents and had to leave home and 
    53        support herself.  Sometimes she did not want to work such
    54        long hours but they would phone her up and threaten that if
    55        she did not do the hours they would not offer the overtime
    56        again"?
    57        A.  That is right.
    58
    59   Q.   That is all based on what she told you, is it not?
    60        A.  No, that is based on what she told me and also what the

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