Day 119 - 02 May 95 - Page 31


     
     1        A.  No.
     2
     3   Q.   The next question is, how does it go undetected or
     4        immediately undetected?
     5        A.  It should not.
     6
     7   Q.   It should not do?
     8        A.  No, because -----
     9
    10   Q.   But is the reality this, that the Supervisor cannot check
    11        all the hour working records of all the staff on the store,
    12        can he or she?
    13        A.  My Lord, when I first took over Personnel, I made
    14        Southern Ireland my responsibility.  That was a market then
    15        of 10 restaurants.  When I did my audit I went through
    16        every clock card in that restaurant to make sure that the
    17        Irish law (which was very similar to ours) was being met by
    18        the store managers.  It is a long, arduous task but it is
    19        one that I have found wages inspectors are most rigorous at
    20        checking.  They inevitably lead to criminal prosecutions if
    21        we are in breach of the regulations.
    22
    23   Q.   So if a Supervisor or Field Personnel Officer took the
    24        view:  "Well, if I make random spot checks and they know
    25        I am making random spot checks that ought to be good
    26        enough", you would not -----
    27        A.  That ought to be good enough.  If I found that that was
    28        not working, then I would have words with both the Field
    29        Personnel ------
    30
    31   Q.   That is after it has been brought to his attention and
    32        perhaps after there has been a prosecution?
    33        A.  Oh, indeed, but there has never been another
    34        prosecution.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  So if we can turn to the Defendants' bundle IV,
    37        please, it is the kingfisher blue, as has been said?
    38        A.  Yes.
    39
    40   Q.   Bundle IV, tab 17, just so we all know which we are talking
    41        about.
    42        A.  Yes.
    43
    44   Q.   It is in tab 17.  Sorry, they are not numbered but it is
    45        somewhere about 12 from the back.  It is a time record.  It
    46        is actually in the middle of some -----
    47        A.  Is it before or after the pay slips?
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is much easier to find if one looks in
    50        the pink bundles.  One does wish that some preparation be 
    51        done.  It is tab 42 of volume pink XII. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Why do you not use that?
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  I have it in front of me anyway.
    56
    57   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sure, but it would help if we have a
    58        reference.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  I do wish Mr. Rampton would not keep saying about

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