Day 103 - 14 Mar 95 - Page 67
1 there, does it not?
2 A. Yes, it is not minus four.
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4 MR. MORRIS: It must be plus four. That is a finished product,
5 is it?
6 A. Some of those are finished products; drum sticks would
7 be.
8
9 Q. We notice then we have on the right-hand side the
10 temperatures are 5, 6 and 5 ---
11 A. Yes.
12
13 Q. -- for the afternoon products. So, sometimes you sail
14 pretty close to the wind, in fact, above your requirements,
15 do you not?
16 A. The temperatures that are recorded are reacted to, and
17 if there is product above the temperature, as I have
18 explained before, we would go back into the blast chillers.
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20 Q. It does not say "failed", though, under that one, for
21 example, it says "pass"?
22 A. I am sorry that our paper work does not quite meet your
23 requirements.
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25 Q. No, no, on the previous one it said "fail". This is in the
26 middle for the 6.53 batch, or whatever time -- no, 6.15
27 time, sorry. This is the whole bird, saddles, thighs, drum
28 sticks and product temperatures. The first one failed but
29 the second one passed and it was well above your
30 requirement of four degrees. It was five degrees and six
31 degrees?
32 A. That "fail" and "pass" does not refer to that
33 particular ---
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35 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is on a different line, is it not?
36 A. -- that refers to the machine performance.
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38 MR. MORRIS: I see.
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: CCP051 over the page, high temperature on
41 sandwich, and it was placed in the blast. That is your 5,
42 6 and 5 column on CCP051 at 1.30, by the look of it. So,
43 it was placed in the blast to cool it down. Is that what
44 the documentation means to you?
45 A. That is correct, yes.
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47 MR. MORRIS: I think we have finished with those documents.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Where are we now in the cross-examination of
50 Dr. Pattison?
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52 MR. MORRIS: First of all, we would like to say we are sorry for
53 Dr. Pattison to have to take so long, but again it is part
54 of the problem that there are two parts of the case here,
55 we are talking about animal welfare and hygiene. A lot of
56 documents were gone through in the -----
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Leave that. Just tell me where you are.
59 What I really need to know is what topics you have got.
60 (To the witness): Do you come up to London every now and
