Day 276 - 09 Jul 96 - Page 13


     
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     2   Q.   It was?
     3        A.  Yes.
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     5   Q.   In terms of the rest of that paragraph, you do not have any
     6        personal experience about where the cattle were reared?
     7        A.  No.
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     9   Q.   And then there is a reference in the third paragraph to
    10        being fattened in the state of San Paulo, that is the point
    11        I was asking about.  It is not unusual for cattle to be
    12        shipped down to San Paulo to be fattened up?
    13        A.  No, they are brought in from other states, yes.
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    15   Q.   Right.  That would apply to all your cattle, yes?
    16        A.  All the cattle that or --  all what cattle?
    17
    18   Q.   All the cattle that were being used at the plant at
    19        Burretto?
    20        A.  Yes.
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    22   Q.   Right.  Obviously, not the plants in Gurupi or somewhere
    23        like that, you would not be shipping the fattened cattle
    24        from San Paulo to Gurupi?
    25        A.  They would come from nearer round there, I would think.
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    27   Q.   Yes.  What appears in the third paragraph, presumably that
    28        is something that you were told by somebody else?
    29        A.  Well, I was not there in 1880 and so, therefore, yes,
    30        it is a matter of history.
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    32   Q.   Right.  But in terms of the history of it, was that what
    33        you were informed by somebody else or did you actually--
    34        A.  No, general knowledge, it seems to be general knowledge
    35        that that is what happened.
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    37   Q.   Right.  That is in San Paulo.  Right.  Okay.  And in terms
    38        of the fourth paragraph, about it not being economically
    39        feasible to truck fat cattle, that is after the fattening
    40        stage, and that is the point about why you need to bring
    41        them down to San Paulo to be fattened because you could not
    42        bring them down once they had been fattened?
    43        A.  We do not bring them down.
    44
    45   Q.   No, but I am talking about in terms of?
    46        A.  We only -- perhaps, it might be easier, my Lord, if I
    47        just explained that the killing of 200,000 cattle a year at
    48        Barretos, and off our 13 farms our total killing would be
    49        about 20 to 25,000.  So we are talking about ten per cent.
    50        I can tell you about our cattle, where our cattle came
    51        from, I cannot tell you where other cattle came from, they
    52        are not mine.  That we have bought, we bought them in San
    53        Paulo because it is not feasible to bring live cattle a
    54        long way down because they bruise and they do not do very
    55        well.
    56
    57   Q.   Right.  That is cattle that have been fattened, yes?
    58        A.  Not necessarily all cattle.
    59
    60   Q.   But, I mean, in terms of you talked about cattle coming

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