Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 43
1 you find that my .96 square miles becomes 1.42 square miles
2 in total, which is very close to the figure that
3 Mr. Kouchoukos produced when he arrived on his formula at
4 1.46 square miles for the equivalent quantity of packaging
5 material.
6
7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: So, you think Mr. Kouchoukos was actually not
8 just dealing with clearfelling but thinning as well?
9 A. Yes, I have to assume that but he worked a different
10 way.
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12 MR. RAMPTON: I am sorry, I did not mean to interrupt. I can
13 remind your Lordship how he did it; he started at the other
14 end with the total volume of packaging and then simply
15 worked it back so as to produce a figurative or
16 suppositious area.
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. This is completely putting on one side
19 for the moment what you say (which may or may not be at
20 issue with what Mr. Hopkins says) about regeneration of the
21 areas which have been either clearfelled or thinned with
22 replanting, in so far as that takes place in clearfelled
23 areas, and with improved growth in so far as that occurs in
24 thinned areas?
25 A. That is right.
26
27 Q. So when you do your arithmetic, you are putting out of your
28 mind and completely on one side any consideration of
29 regeneration?
30 A. Of the future. Yes, I am just simply taking what area
31 of forest might be needed in a given practical situation to
32 provide all the fibre that is needed for the packaging for
33 McDonald's in Europe.
34
35 Q. Those are gross areas, are they, in the sense that not all
36 that area goes to pulp; a lot of it may go to sawmills?
37 A. Yes.
38
39 Q. To turn into timber products of one kind or another which
40 does not end up as packaging?
41 A. That is right.
42
43 Q. But you have not said where we clear cut only 20 per cent,
44 say, of the timber taken from that area will go to
45 packaging, so we will divide the area by five; you have
46 taken the gross area?
47 A. I have taken the gross area of the clearfelled
48 contribution on the basis that that took that out of
49 forestry short-term. But I would accept entirely that if
50 we are taking gross area completely, we should put in the
51 thinning area as well and, if we do, it comes to a total of
52 1.42 square miles ---
53
54 Q. Yes, I understand that.
55 A. -- which is close to the figure Mr. Kouchoukos used
56 when he started from a totally different basis of
57 calculation.
58
59 Q. Can I just make sure I have understood? I understand that
60 the area clearfelled of 17.8 hectares.
