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         Q.   More so than for vegetables.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It can be the reverse with vegetables, can
     3        it not?  You may not want to cook them too much?
              A.  That is right, yes, but again there are some of the
     4        prepared vegetable products now which might well have --
              it is possible that they could have listeria in them, for
     5        example.
 
     6   MS. STEEL:  By and large, though, would it be fair to say that
              meat, including poultry products, are the products most
     7        commonly associated with outbreaks of food poisoning where
              the cause has been identified?
     8        A.  Certainly they are major factors but, I mean, nowadays
              with the development of readily prepared meals and the
     9        extensive use of the chill-chain, I mean, it is opening up
              another whole range of what are regarded as high risks
    10        products, but I take your point that any kind of raw meat
              is likely to be contaminated with pathogenic bacteria and,
    11        therefore, it must be handled very carefully.
 
    12   Q.   OK.  Going on to the individual additives now which start
              on page 68, I am just going to do this very briefly?
    13        A.  OK.
 
    14   Q.   Is it right that the use of Amaranth is banned in the USA,
              the USSR, Yugoslavia, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Austria?
    15        A.  I do not know about the later one you have mentioned,
              but it is banned in the United States, but perhaps
    16        I should explain that there was a whole scandal in the
              United States on that one, and the scientific
    17        justification for taking it off the permitted list was
              never substantiated.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is that the one where Canada took a
    19        different view?
              A.  Exactly.
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         Q.   And was critical of the survey carried out?
    21        A.  Yes.
 
    22   MS. STEEL:  Do you think that the regulating authorities in the
              USA are being irresponsible then?
    23        A.  In that case, yes.
 
    24   Q.   You do?
              A.  Yes.
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         Q.   If those other countries that I have referred to have 
    26        banned them, do you think they are also being 
              irresponsible? 
    27        A.  Again I am not sure we are talking about banning or
              whether it is a fact they are just not on the permitted
    28        list, so I am not familiar with the regulatory procedures
              in these other countries, but I would imagine that (as in
    29        this country) they were taken into account, both safety
              and need, and that they would then make their own
    30        judgment, based on the their own scientific assessment of
              the available scientific evidence and on the conditions

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