Day 245 - 07 May 96 - Page 72
1 like, for example, putting out your own information or
2 answering customer inquiries?
3 A. Well, they may have answered some inquiries. I do not
4 know. Certainly -----
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6 Q. I am asking you about what -- where you talk about it
7 there, keeping you abreast of activities, I am asking what
8 they were telling you?
9 A. I was only concerned about the McLibel stuff.
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11 Q. OK. Can I just ask you this? In paragraph 6 of your
12 statement you talk about, "As well as receiving reports
13 about the case and reading the Defendants' literature, I
14 have attended court on numerous occasions throughout the
15 trial and have observed the conduct of the Defendants".
16 What is that supposed to mean?
17 A. Watched you in a courtroom.
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19 Q. Yes.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think you are being asked what you have
22 seen, which is what you particularly have in mind?
23 A. I have seen numerous outbursts of temper. I have seen
24 an attitude that seems to be oblivious to the facts on
25 occasions. I have seen argumentativeness. I think I have
26 cemented in my own mind that which I saw in the aims and
27 objectives document: The objective of yourselves is to
28 smash McDonald's.
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30 MS. STEEL: So, basically, you have seen us strongly arguing
31 our case which you do not believe is true but we certainly
32 do -- what you are referring to is that we are strongly
33 defending our case?
34 A. No, I did not say that. I said I saw outbursts of
35 temper; I said I saw destructiveness. I thought I saw on
36 occasion this disregard for the facts.
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38 Q. What are you referring to, "destructiveness"?
39 A. I saw a gentleman whom I respect in this box named
40 David Walker be called a liar for no reason whatsoever,
41 unsubstantiated, and to this day I cannot understand why.
42 I would be surprised if the court understands why. I saw
43 that as a, "We are going to smash McDonald's at any and all
44 costs".
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46 Q. What are you referring to about destructiveness?
47 A. Mr. Walker incident.
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49 Q. So, calling Mr. Walker a liar is destructive?
50 A. In the circumstances, I very much think so.
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52 Q. So, when Mr. Rampton has called our witnesses, or some of
53 them, liars, then that is destructive, is it?
54 A. I do not know what Mr. Rampton who he has called what;
55 I have not been here every day. It is difficult to comment
56 without knowing. I did see the David Walker incident
57 myself.
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59 Q. But it did not think to enter your mind that the reason we
60 might be calling Mr. Walker a liar is because we believed
