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1 see if we could work out exactly what was going on, and
2 there were some other incidents which occurred which then
3 led me to speak to crew, and then crew told me about other
4 crew, and I interviewed, I think, six or eight crew whose
5 names either cropped up because we found one or two of them
6 on reports or because other crew had mentioned that they --
7 somebody had mentioned to them, or because they said that
8 they were also working that night. Then, you know, in
9 terms of the actual -- I conducted interviews with six or
10 eight, as I say, people about the hours that they had
11 worked; because somebody else had mentioned they were
12 either working that night or they were on the crew
13 schedule, and I asked them to reconcile their payslip
14 against the number of hours that they recalled having
15 worked.
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17 So, to be perfectly honest, now thinking about it, I mean,
18 really, we cannot have been talking about much more than
19 four weeks prior to when I was actually sitting there
20 talking to the crew, or five weeks at most, probably two
21 pay periods, from when I was actually sitting there talking
22 to them. You know, the amount that we paid out as well,
23 you know, would suggest that it did not, it does not, we
24 were not referring to a great amount of time, given that
25 there were six or eight people there.
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27 MR. MORRIS: So, are you saying that six to eight crew for a
28 period of four weeks before May were being docked?
29 A. Before May/June, before the time we investigated,
30 I asked the crew to come forward in relation to, you know,
31 as I have just related, in that crew mentioned other crews'
32 names, I interviewed them. I asked them if they could
33 talk, look at their payslips, had they noticed any
34 discrepancies, were they working this night? "Let us go
35 through your schedule. Let us see if you were working",
36 and we went through and we identified that those crew had
37 not been paid for their shifts. If I had been -- if it had
38 been brought to my attention by those people on that --
39 sorry, am I to carry on because .....
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, do try and remember, I am not getting at
42 you but I think------
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44 MR. MORRIS: I forget the point if we do not deal with it.
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46 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I know. It is not a question of you
47 forgetting the point; you have not been told it yet. What
48 I suggest is listen to the rest of the answer, then
49 Ms. Steel will tell you the point. I will not hurry you
50 and I will give you all the time you want to be told by Ms.
51 Steel what it is.
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53 MR. MORRIS: Right.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is just we run into the problem of me
56 interrupting you, which interrupts the flow of the witness
57 and the witness interrupting himself. I know the
58 temptation; I have down it a thousand times myself when I
59 have been standing where you are. Yes. Can you pick up
60 the thread again?
