Day 184 - 06 Nov 95 - Page 33
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2 Q. He was trying to -----
3 A. That is what I understood it as.
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5 Q. But, as a general matter of job security, what the union
6 wanted, did that refer to, say, a union representing people
7 against dismissals or anything like that in general?
8 A. Not from what I understood. It was just, if we signed
9 a card and we got fired, then the union would be able to
10 protect us, but if we did not sign the card -----
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12 Q. Right. If you have a dispute -- say an individual has a
13 dispute with a Manager which results in them being
14 disciplined or dismissed, for whatever reason, can they
15 call a union representative to represent them, have a
16 meeting with management?
17 A. I do not understand, I am sorry. Like, what are
18 you -----
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20 Q. Well, if someone is dismissed or threatened with dismissal
21 at McDonald's, your store, do they go up to the Manager and
22 have a talk about it sometimes?
23 A. Right now?
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25 Q. Yes.
26 A. We never -- like, we do not threaten to dismiss people,
27 like, for nothing. I mean, the only way they can get
28 dismissed is if they have the three lates, if they have,
29 you know, the no-shows or whatnot. I mean, if there is a
30 dispute, then we do not fire them; we just try and sort out
31 the problem.
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33 Q. But if someone is disciplined or dismissed for what you
34 said, say, three lates or no-shows, and they feel badly
35 treated, or they might not even agree they should be
36 dismissed for being late three times or something, how do
37 they resolve that; do they just have to accept it?
38 A. No. They can go and talk to Cam. There is a lot of
39 people at McDonald's who have had more than three lates and
40 still work there. They can just go and talk to Cam and
41 explain how they feel; and, I mean, so long as -- I mean,
42 so long as they can talk, tell Cam that, you know, it will
43 not happen again, or so long as they can promise to improve
44 their dependability or their attitude or whatnot, Cam will
45 keep them. Cam does not -- he is not that type of person.
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47 Q. When they go and see the Manager, can they take the union
48 rep along with them if they want to?
49 A. I guess so. I do not know. I have never heard of
50 anything like that.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: She does not know.
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54 MR. MORRIS: No, OK. Basically, if there is a dispute, it is
55 between the individual crew member and the Store Manager,
56 Cam Ballantyne; they sort it out in some kind of meeting
57 together, yes?
58 A. Cam tries to sort out all the problems. He does not
59 like any problems to get any bigger or anything like that,
60 and he always deals with us fairly.
