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1 I was trying to say to you the other day.
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3 MR. MORRIS: For a start, I would say it is already admitted by
4 McDonald's in the statement of Hans Schum dated 1989.
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6 MR. RAMPTON: What is admitted?
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8 MR. MORRIS: That McDonald's have used soya, well, cattle that
9 end up at McDonald's have been fed on soya from Brazil.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. You really must turn me to it because
12 I did not get that from it at all.
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14 MR. MORRIS: He uses extremely tortuous phrasing language to try
15 to avoid that conclusion because he was being paid by
16 McDonald's to do a survey, but at the time in 1989 ----
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Refer me to his statement.
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20 MR. MORRIS: Despite that ----
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Morris, will you refer me to his
23 statement?
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25 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, may I make a joke? It is a joke that has
26 occurred to me before. I was once led in a case where the
27 judge said to my learned leader: "Mr. so and so, when I am
28 speaking perhaps one of us should keep quiet"!
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30 MR. MORRIS: I do not know actually what page -----
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just listen to me. I know it is early by the
33 standards we have been sitting, but I am not going to sit
34 here while, if you will excuse me saying so, you fidget
35 around from one bundle to the other looking for what you
36 want. I want you to refer me to some -- I will put it in
37 very general terms -- reasonable basis for the suggestion
38 that soya from Brazil is fed to cattle (and we are thinking
39 about German cattle) which become McDonald's patties.
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41 MR. MORRIS: Right. First of all, on page 12 of Mr. Schum's
42 statement ----
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Which bundle?
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46 MR. RAMPTON: Volume 11, my Lord, yellow, tabs 3 and 4.
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48 MR. MORRIS: Tab 3 I am particularly looking for. Soya bean
49 meal, which is used as animal fodder, Brazil in 1984 and in
50 1988 were (according to Dr. Schum anyway) the largest
51 exporter of soya bean meal in the world. That is the first
52 point. On the next page at the bottom it says: Countries
53 of origin for importation of soya bean meal into the
54 Federal Republic of Germany, soya bean meal Brazil
55 1 million tonnes from Brazil go to the Federal Republic of
56 Germany, and that is 1 million out of the previous pages 7
57 and a half million tonnes. I calculate that as 14 per cent
58 of all the exports go to the Federal or went in 1984.
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have read all this. You have to try to get
