Day 067 - 15 Dec 94 - Page 69


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you are not going to finish Dr. Gomez
     3        Gonzales tomorrow, we should reckon on continuing him into
     4        Monday.  Hopefully, he will finish on Monday and I think we
     5        should then go on to such procedural matters as we have
     6        got.  I have retained a hope we might get Mr. Hopkins in
     7        next week if he is available, but I think it is
     8        unrealistic.
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    10        What I would invite you to do over the weekend is even
    11        though you will not have finished cross-examining Dr. Gomez
    12        Gonzales is make a new list of procedural loose ends.  If
    13        you can type it out as you have done in the past on your
    14        sheet of paper, that will help.
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    16   MS. STEEL:  I think if Mr. Gonzales is still going to be here on
    17        Monday, it would be helpful if the documents that he
    18        referred to today, he talked about doing audit forms, going
    19        round the slaughterhouses and things like that, were
    20        disclosed some time tomorrow, so we can look at them over
    21        the weekend and cross-examine Mr. Gonzales about them on
    22        Monday.
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    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The three categories of documents which have
    25        been referred to in evidence today which, it seems to me,
    26        it is importantly enquired after with a view to getting
    27        them to London by Monday, if it is possible, are any forms
    28        of documents which refer to the Humane Slaughter Act or the
    29        methods of the Humane Slaughter Act, any forms for the
    30        purpose of monitoring which Ms. Steel has just mentioned,
    31        and any documents of the kind referred to by Dr. Gomez
    32        Gonzales most recently purporting, in effect, to certify
    33        that no Coope Montecillos beef had gone to McDonald's.
    34        I would not be at all surprised if Mr. Rampton is not very
    35        interested to find if there are such documents and what
    36        form they take.
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    38   MR. RAMPTON:  A goodly number of the latter documents have been
    39        disclosed and are to be found in yellow file XIV.
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    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I appreciate that; it is if there are others
    42        apart from those.
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, of course, I had those three categories
    45        well in mind.  There are, of course, English audit forms.
    46        What we have not got, as far as I can find, looking through
    47        the files, is an American equivalent.  We will certainly
    48        try to get those.  So far as documents referring -----
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do we have audit forms in English? 
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    52   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes, we have a McKey form which makes specific 
    53        requirements about animal welfare, about layerage, about
    54        slaughter and so on and so forth.
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    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do we US ones though?
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    58   MR. RAMPTON:  No, that is what I have not got.  What I will do
    59        with your Lordship's permission is ask Dr. Gomez Gonzales
    60        if there are similar and whether he can get such material

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