Day 202 - 11 Jan 96 - Page 39
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2 MS. STEEL: I just want to ask about -- in your statement you
3 talk about -- well, actually, if you could turn to your
4 statement and turn to page 5, please, paragraph 12?
5 A. Can someone tell me what tab it is under, please,
6 sorry?
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I have got mine loose, I am afraid.
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10 MR. RAMPTON: It is 34D of XB.
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12 THE WITNESS: Whereabouts in the statement do you want me to
13 look at?
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Page 5.
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17 MS. STEEL: Paragraph 12, please.
18 A. OK, thank you. Right.
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20 Q. Where you are talking about the payroll irregularities and
21 Sally Spurgeon seemed to be implicated. Can you just
22 clarify something? On page 6, in the same paragraph, you
23 say -- you have said that Neil was trying to find out who
24 was involved and then you say, "Ray Coton was trying to
25 blame Sally Spurgeon". Then in the next sentence you say,
26 "I remember that he discussed the issue with me". Is that
27 Ray Coton or Neil Skehel?
28 A. I would think that it was Neil Skehel, if I could just
29 read it through to make sure.
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31 Q. Right.
32 A. Yes, it was Neil.
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34 Q. Right, and is this -- this conversation that you were
35 talking about, is that about that one specific incident
36 where there were several all in one go all in one night
37 that had been altered?
38 A. Yes, yes.
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40 Q. Did you actually ever discuss about this with Sally
41 Spurgeon herself, or was this all what you had been told by
42 Neil Skehel?
43 A. No, I would not have discussed it with Sally. In
44 matters like this, it is important that the Senior
45 Supervisor stays at a distance because if there is any
46 appeal on anything like this, you know, it may well come to
47 me to do so, to listen to that appeal.
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49 Q. Right.
50 A. But if I do get involved, then obviously the appeal
51 will go to my boss.
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53 Q. So it was Neil Skehel that was saying to you that you
54 thought her role was probably subordinate?
55 A. No. I think Neil would have come along with what
56 evidence he had and would have discussed his thoughts and
57 we would have looked at it. That is my recollection of, at
58 that point in time, what our thoughts and conclusions were.
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60 Q. But you were relying entirely on what he was telling you?
