Day 020 - 28 Jul 94 - Page 42
1 Q. It is not such good quality meat?
A. There is less demand for it. It is generally of poor
2 quality when it comes to conventional cooking methods when
not processed. It does not have -----
3
Q. Does it include more fat than non-dairy beef? If you do
4 not know -----
A. In general, there is -- do you mean the carcass or do
5 you mean the actual lean part it, do you mean
intramuscular fat, intermuscular fat, or do you mean some
6 other fat depot?
7 Q. The ratio of fat to lean?
A. In the carcass?
8
Q. Yes.
9
MR. JUSTICE BELL: You mean in that part which goes for making
10 patties, do you?
11 MR. MORRIS: Yes, the parts that are used -----
A. In this situation it is open to the processor or
12 manufacturer of the meat patty to decide what the ratio of
fat to lean is. So, it is not a function of the fact of
13 whether it is a cow or a steer or a heifer it is more a
function of what the processor decides to practice as to
14 what the fat content of the bird is going to be.
15 Q. So you do not know if, in general, the ratio of fat to
lean in cows would be greater or less than beef herds?
16 A. In the carcass? Yes, I do ---
17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Answer the carcass over all?
A. -- I do know in the carcass, yes. That depends upon
18 the size of the kidney knob. The kidney knob depot in a
cow, particularly in Fresians and in Jerseys, is very,
19 very large. That can make up a substantial part of the
whole of the fat in that particular type of bovine; and,
20 in general, if that is a well developed depot, let us say,
because the animal has not been milking well or it has
21 been barren, or for whatever reason, the dairy cow can be
quite fat. In terms of subcutaneous fat, the dairy cow
22 has very little by comparison with a beef breed. In terms
of marbling fat it has very little.
23
MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is this directed at the welfare of the
24 animal or what ends up in the packet?
25 MR. MORRIS: No, this is a, sort of, side issue.
26 MR. RAMPTON: Could we do without side issues, My Lord? I have
some doubt whether dairy cows have anything to do with the
27 argument anyway, but I have left that. The question is
how much fat is included by McDonald's in their beef
28 patties.
29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That is what you are on now?
30 MR. MORRIS: When I say a "side issue", it is not strictly
under the ------
