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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. It seems to me it is important that we
3 have Ms. Dibb, Mr. Mallinson, Mr. Stump, Professor Ashworth
4 and Mr. Oakley.
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6 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, the only thing I would say about that is,
7 I think Mr. Stump has been moved, so Tuesday morning is now
8 free. I do not know how much longer the Defendants are
9 going to be. My fear is that if we break off now, as it
10 were, we will get much of the same as we have had today
11 again on Tuesday.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are you suggesting we have can finish by half
14 past four?
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16 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I have only about two things to say. I
17 do not know how much longer the Defendants are going to
18 be. What I will do so as to abbreviate my reply (which
19 will be about five minutes) is to give your Lordship some
20 references from the evidence of Dr. Barnard.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What I would like to you to do, because you
23 should be able to do that, is there any reason why you
24 cannot finish your submissions in relation to F within the
25 next few minutes?
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27 MS. STEEL: The problem is, I mean, basically I am more or less
28 finished, but it is just that -- I am sure this is a common
29 problem -- because I know what my state of mind was at the
30 time, it feels frustrating that I cannot convey that.
31 Really, I am wondering about further examples.
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am going to break off this application
34 now. I know Mr. Rampton will be ready to go at very short
35 notice back to it; I want you to be ready to start again
36 whenever we find we have an interlude in the evidence
37 within the next few days. I would like you to give a bit
38 of thought to how much more you have to say in relation to
39 F and also how long it will take you to deal with L,
40 because it is not -- Mr. Rampton has indicated -- going to
41 take him very long to reply, then you have made your
42 submissions and I will go away and think about the matter.
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44 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, could I ask that if there is to be an
45 interruption in this application which there now is, and
46 Ms. Steel is intending to search through the transcripts
47 for further references which may, she may feel, support her
48 argument, that as I have done with them, the Defendants
49 manage to persuade themselves to let me have, or us have, a
50 list of those references in advance because that always
51 saves time, as well as being a question of equality and
52 fair play.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you do want to refer to particular parts
55 of the transcript, put them on a list, it can be in long
56 hand, it does not have to be typed up. All it need have is
57 the name of the witness, the date and the page, preferably
58 the lines, just like McDonald's list had. Apart from
59 anything else, that can be handed to me at any time, it
60 does not have to wait until we come back to it, I can look
