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     1        A.  Yes, it is a Government Research establishment.  It is
     2        not a company -- Camden Food Research.
     3
     4   Q.   But it was a commercial transaction; you paid them ---
     5        A.  Well ----
     6
     7   Q.   -- for their services?
     8        A.  All companies use them.  There are two large
     9        establishments in Great Britain and you use them as
    10        consultants.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are the two large establishments?
    13        A.  Leatherhead and Camden, sir.
    14
    15   MR. MORRIS:  This Camden organisation, have you used them in the
    16        past for various -----
    17        A.  I have used them for 24 years.
    18
    19   Q.   So you have had a good commercial relationship with them
    20        for -----
    21        A.  Not a commercial relationship; a technical
    22        relationship.
    23
    24   Q.   But you pay for their services?
    25        A.  We pay for the research, yes.
    26
    27   Q.   Right.  So there is a commercial aspect of it?
    28        A.  It is not commercial.  Camden does not work
    29        commercially.  Camden is scientific.  It is not
    30        commercial.  It is science.
    31
    32   Q.   We can have a debate about that, may be, in a difference
    33        place on a different day.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Put your questions about it.
    36
    37   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  The Public Health laboratories, when they do
    38        reports, they do not get a payment, do they, from the
    39        companies that they are investigating?
    40        A.  Well, not if it is an investigation, but you can use
    41        the Public Health laboratories and pay them for analysis
    42        and that sort of thing.
    43
    44   Q.   But when they investigate an incident they do not get paid,
    45        do they, by the company being investigated?
    46        A.  No.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you instructed them to investigate an
    49        incident at your factory, something you were anxious about,
    50        some public health aspect relating to your factory, could 
    51        you engage the Public Health Laboratory service for a fee 
    52        to look into it and report to you? 
    53        A.  Yes, sir.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  If we go back to Jarrets, is there a map up with
    56        the witness of the Jarrets' floor plan?
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is in one of the volumes.  It is behind
    59        your statement if you still have your statement there.  It
    60        is yellow IX.  Look in tab 9, at the very back of tab 9,

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