Day 291 - 31 Oct 96 - Page 31


     
     1        transcripts, which could perfectly well have been done by
     2        just writing down the left-hand side of the page, the day
     3        and page under the name of the witness, and on the right,
     4        topic, and then summarising what the nature of the
     5        practices are or were which you say are inhumane and
     6        cruel.
     7
     8        So I want you to come back in the morning with some kind of
     9        schedule as to the order of the topics and how long they
    10        are going to take, particularly how long you have set aside
    11        for each of the topics.  The order may be less important,
    12        but how long you have set aside for each of the topics.
    13
    14        If I am content with that, so be it.  If I am not content,
    15        at some time before we finish tomorrow I will ask you to
    16        address me on whether I should lay out a schedule of time
    17        which will be available to you to address me on each topic,
    18        either singly or in harness.
    19
    20   MR. MORRIS:   What would be very useful is if Mr. Rampton gave
    21        us a copy of his submissions, his closing speech, and then
    22        it would save a lot of time.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not think it would.  I would have
    25        directed Mr. Rampton to give you written submissions if you
    26        had in fact produced written submissions yourself or said
    27        you were prepared to do so and would do so before you
    28        started.  I do not think it would be right to direct one
    29        party to give written submissions and not both parties.
    30
    31   MR. MORRIS:   But the reality is, whether we gave our written
    32        submissions at the beginning or not, the effect is that
    33        Mr. Rampton has our complete case before he has to give us
    34        any information.  So if he has done his closing speech, and
    35        I presume he has, because he has had a long time to do it
    36         ----
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:  And the back-up.
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:  And the back-up.  If he has that, it would be
    41        helpful for us to have it, because then we know which of
    42        the issues ----
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   If Mr. Rampton is prepared to do it, then
    45        let him do it.  But you know what his case is, because you
    46        have been listening to it on and off for the last two and a
    47        quarter years.
    48
    49   MS. STEEL:   It seems to change all the time.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not accept that.  That is just a 
    52        contentious argumentative remark. 
    53
    54        I will need some help from you, Mr. Rampton, to tell me
    55        what your very best estimate is of how long you will
    56        actually want to address me, in addition to whatever you
    57        give me in writing to read.
    58
    59   MR. RAMPTON:   I hate to be ----
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