Day 267 - 21 Jun 96 - Page 64


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   It is page 87?
     3        A.   Thank you, sir.
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     5   Q.   It is the note.
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     7   MS. STEEL:  Mr. Bishop said in his notes that I arrived much
     8        later at 8.34 pm, so I would not have been there at 7.30,
     9        would I?
    10        A.   Is this the 1st March?
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    12   Q.    Yes.
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    14   MR. RAMPTON:   Well, it cannot be Mr. Bishop.
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    16   MS. STEEL:  Sorry.  Mr. Pocklington in his notes said I did not
    17        arrive until 8.435 pm?
    18        A.   Sorry.  I am trying to see where it says a time.
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you give us a reference in the statement
    21        you started off with?
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    23   MS. STEEL:  Yes.  That is the first statement.  It would be 5A
    24        on page 3 of the statement, bundle page 52, paragraph 12?
    25        A.   Yes, I see the paragraph.
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    27   Q.   You say that you "attended the meeting at 5 Caledonian Road
    28        at approximately 7.30 pm, a number of people were present
    29        including Helen Steel and David who I now to be David
    30        Morris"?
    31        A.   That is correct.
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    33   Q.   So at that time you actually knew that my name was Helen
    34        Steel, did you?  This statement was made later?
    35        A.  Sometime later.
    36
    37   Q.   Did you ever think I was called Webster?
    38        A.   I do not recall.
    39
    40   Q.   Anyway, you say I was there when you turned up.
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    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am not sure it does.
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    44   MR. RAMPTON:  It does not say that.   One needs to look at the
    45        note, if I may respectfully suggest it.
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is fair enough of Miss Steel to look at
    48        the statement, but although it says he attended at 7.30 and
    49        then says a number of people present and then say the
    50        meeting commenced.  I had not assumed that meant they were 
    51        all there when he arrived or when the meeting commenced, 
    52        necessarily.  The note merely says "people present" and you 
    53        are the first person noted on the list.  What you are
    54        suggesting is he said you were already there, but I am not
    55        automatically reading the statement as reading that.
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    57   MS. STEEL:  Right.  For some reason it does not have a time in
    58        the note.  So where would you have got this time from in
    59        the statement?
    60        A.   As the normal time for the meeting started.

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