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     1        pulp for McDonald's packaging in the UK and by the way
     2        provide lots of timber for other purposes, apart from pulp
     3        for packaging, and at least maintain the status quo of
     4        timber in that forest?  Do you understand ---
     5        A.  I do indeed.
     6
     7   Q.   -- what I have put to you?
     8        A.  Yes.
     9
    10   Q.   It can be as rough and ready as it likes, but if you feel
    11        you can be able to do that, I would be grateful.
    12        A.  Yes.  My Lord, if we can take the example, the south
    13        Scotland one, which is very close to what is being said by
    14        Enso-Gutzeit in regard to Finland, I could develop that in
    15        terms of what we believe (and I mean by that I would take
    16        authoritative opinion as well) would be the total forest
    17        area which could continuously support that yield needed to
    18        produce that amount of raw material for packaging.  It is
    19        actually Europe we are coming under the 13,000 ton, but
    20        I will do that and would be very happy to do so.
    21
    22   Q.   A lot of other people would be getting use of it as well?
    23        A.  Yes.
    24
    25   Q.   Everyone from chipboard makers ---
    26        A.  Absolutely.
    27
    28   Q.   -- to pine furniture makers and so on?
    29        A.  Yes, absolutely.  So, it is a product range of which
    30        the pulp for packaging is but one, but what we want to do,
    31        because we have taken gross area, both thinned and felled,
    32        we want to find how big an area would be needed to maintain
    33        the level of productive material which is shown in these
    34        figures, and that I would be very happy to do.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  I am not sure where to go now.
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just sit down and have a pause; if you want
    39        the five-minute break now, say so.
    40
    41   MR. MORRIS:  May it would be useful to have it now.
    42
    43                            (Short Adjournment)
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:  I would like to seek a little bit of guidance in
    46        that would it be appropriate to continue working through
    47        the statement?
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest this, that you are selective
    50        about where it is necessary to make challenges.  If there 
    51        are fairly small matters, leave those.  I would be very 
    52        surprised, for instance, if Mr. Rampton picked up every 
    53        point of factual or opinion, detail, when asking your
    54        witness any questions.
    55
    56        When you come to something where there is a challenge,
    57        I suggest you with one or two questions say, "I suggest
    58        that that is wrong because", or "that that does not give
    59        the true picture because", just so we can see where the
    60        issue is.

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