Day 249 - 14 May 96 - Page 64


     
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     2   Q.   Mr. Nicholson, I am aware of one of your private
     3        investigators attending meetings for considerably longer
     4        than that, and I suggest to you that you have the date
     5        wrong.
     6        A.  No, not for me and not at my expense.
     7
     8   MR. MORRIS:  So, for all you know somebody could have been
     9        continuing but you were not being given any reports by him,
    10        or by the firm?
    11        A.  That is right.
    12
    13   Q.   That is how you know it finished, because that is the last
    14        report you got?
    15        A.  And it was agreed that it would finish.
    16
    17   Q.   As far as you know.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is bound to be because he can only say
    20        what he knows unless you ask him to speculate about
    21        something.
    22
    23   MR. MORRIS:  There was no formal contract that was written that
    24        said it would end on this day?
    25        A.  No.
    26
    27   Q.   Just that the report stopped and you gave an indication
    28        that you were satisfied up to that point, there was no need
    29        to carry on?
    30        A.  I do not think I told him I was satisfied.  I was, but
    31        I do not think I ever told him that.  I simply said the job
    32        was finished.
    33
    34   MS. STEEL:   So...
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  How did you pay these firms?
    37        A.  They were paid through Barlow Lyde & Gilbert.
    38
    39   Q.   How did they pay?
    40        A.  I have no idea.
    41
    42   Q.   We would like to apply for the records of the payments,
    43        because we want to know when the payment stopped.
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  We cannot have that.  I do not know what it is
    46        relevant to.
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  It is relevant to how long the infiltrators were
    49        involved, and we have already indicated that we have
    50        evidence that they were involved long ---- 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I will hear that evidence in due course 
    53        if you wish to call it.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  But if, as it is, disputed, and the witness cannot
    56        help because he does not have any evidence relying on this,
    57        except for that he said it should stop, and the report
    58        stopped, then the documents paying the firms are relevant,
    59        are a matter in issue, and can simply be handed over, as
    60        they should be, because they are relevant documents.

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