Day 261 - 12 Jun 96 - Page 54
1 is nothing special this about this case.
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3 MS. STEEL: I am not trying to trick the witness.
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is just that if one -- it is not a
6 criticism of you. I am just sharing my experience with
7 everyone.
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9 (To the witness) So you may be able to say one person was
10 a regular attender, in your view, another person may have
11 been, but you might have to go to your notes to talk about
12 them?
13 A. Yes, that is true.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am just checking. That is what I thought
16 the situation probably was.
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18 MS. STEEL: But one of the reasons why you might have remembered
19 those names as being regular attenders was because you
20 heard of them during the past day or so when you have been
21 sitting in court listening to the evidence, and because
22 proceedings were issued against some of those people?
23 A. I suppose the fact that within the last few years some
24 of the names have been repeated could well mean that those
25 things have lodged in my memory more. But, also, when you
26 mentioned some of the names and some of the names are
27 mentioned, I can picture faces, I can picture the people as
28 they were, and I cannot with others. Why I can with some
29 and not with others, I cannot say, I am afraid.
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31 Q. OK. If someone had attended only.....
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33 MR. MORRIS: When you talked about the regulars before, when
34 Mr. Rampton questioned you, you said about Paul Gravett,
35 Helen Steel and Dave Morris were the first three names you
36 mentioned. Would Paul Gravett have been at most of the
37 meetings you attended?
38 A. Yes, I think he was. I believe he was.
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40 Q. And Helen Steel, as well?
41 A. Yes, I believe she was.
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43 Q. And myself, as well?
44 A. Less so.
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46 Q. What, about half the meetings?
47 A. I do not know, without looking. I do not know.
48 I could not work a percentage out, without looking.
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50 Q. Casting your mind back -----
51 A. I am casting my mind back, but I cannot without
52 reference to the notes.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not sure how much this is helping me.
55 You have verified from the witness that he would expect to
56 have down in his notes the names of the people he knew if
57 they attended. Therefore, it seems to me, just using one's
58 common sense, since all these things happened six or seven
59 years ago, the best way of finding out how often a person
60 attended any meeting that Mr. Pocklington attended is to
