Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 39
1 interest; not strictly, but a similar way of approaching
2 it.
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4 Secondly, he was clear about it when he was supporting what
5 I was saying, and then when he was not supporting what
6 I was saying, he was not saying, "No, it would only be 30
7 times as great an area or 50"; he just said, "No, it would
8 not be as much as that."
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10 So, I think, in terms of weighing those two bits of
11 evidence, the one in our favour -- which, to me, is just
12 purely logical thing, as well, anyway -- is the greater
13 weight. I will just see if I have anything else to say.
14 (Pause)
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16 MS. STEEL: I have not got a lot I wanted to say. Just on the
17 subject of figures, I have not really looked at these
18 figures since we were questioning the packaging witnesses;
19 but just that you might remember about when Mr. Kouchoucos
20 was giving evidence about McDonald's CFC usage compared to,
21 I think it was world production -- it might have been USA
22 production -- and that they left out -- I don't know
23 whether he worked out the figures himself, but somebody at
24 McDonald's had worked out all these figures about how they
25 compared to world usage, and it turned out that they had
26 left all their HCFC usage out of the figures; so that they
27 were, effectively, minimising their involvement. I just
28 think that, as a general position on figures coming from
29 McDonald's, the figures that they give are usually the
30 minimum, and that, you know, that should be the starting
31 point; that is the minimum figures and then, you know, you
32 have to add on all the bits that have been left off for one
33 reason or another, or just, you know, left out of the
34 equation. But I have not looked up that, so -----
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36 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. I bear your point in mind. There were
37 no Gee Whizz figures on this aspect, were there?
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39 MS. STEEL: No. There is something in one of their -- no.
40 There was something in one of their documents, that thing
41 about how if McDonald's lined up all the hamburgers sold
42 since 1955, they would certainly -----
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, I have those things. You say they
45 ought not to be Gee Whizz figures, but "Oh Dear" figures.
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47 MS. STEEL: Yes.
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49 MR JUSTICE BELL: There are not any with regard to packaging,
50 let alone forest, are there?
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52 MS. STEEL: No. But, I mean, if you take this figure of, if
53 McDonald's lined up at the hamburgers sold since 1955, they
54 would reach to the moon and back five times, you have to
55 assume that packaging would go there as well, because it is
56 even bigger than the hamburger. The hamburger gets eaten,
57 whereas the packaging just stays forever -- or certainly in
58 the case of the hamburger wrappers in this country, which
59 are Polystyrene.
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