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1 estriol, the three oestrogens we look at, but we are also
2 interested in whether or not that oestrogen molecule is
3 capable of biological activity. One of the factors which
4 determines that is the level of SHBG, sex hormone binding
5 globulin, in the blood. That is also altered by dietary
6 factors.
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8 Q. You use words like "is" and "are" and so on. I am going
9 to use this opportunity -- I am coming back to it, Doctor
10 Barnard, with its paper in a moment -- in a sense to jump
11 ahead in time and show you something that was produced by
12 a body of scientists in this country. I will ask you a
13 question about that in a minute. Is there still a witness
14 Grey Book up there? Can you hunt about up there to see if
15 you can find something that look like that?
16 A. I am sure I do not have the original, but I wonder if
17 I may have a Zerox or photocopy?
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19 Q. No, there has in the past been an original.
20 A. I am glad to look; I am just not quite sure where to
21 look. (Handed)
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23 MR. MORRIS: Just before we continue, is it possible to have a
24 copy of the video, just so someone remembers, of what was
25 shown?
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, we will come back to that a bit later.
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29 MR. RAMPTON: I did say I would ask you a preliminary question
30 about this. You will see, Dr. Barnard, if you look at its
31 cover, that it is a document which is issued by our United
32 Kingdom government. Its purpose is, so far as possible,
33 to provide dietary reference values for food energy and
34 nutrients in the United Kingdom.
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36 Each of the topics was the subject of review and
37 consideration by a separate panel of scientific experts.
38 The Panel on fat and carbohydrates composition is to be
39 found at page xii or, as Mr. Morris calls it, xii, at the
40 beginning of the book. Can you just glance through that
41 list of names; only the names, not the observers, they are
42 not so important, I dare say.
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44 What I want to ask you is this: From your knowledge of
45 the literature on the sort of topic we have been
46 discussing, have you any reason to think that the views of
47 that Panel ought to be discredited or disregarded by this
48 court?
49 A. No.
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51 Q. Thank you. Then, please, turn to page 49. This is in the
52 chapter on Fat. The chapter is actually headed with a
53 peculiar English succinctness, "Fat". Section 3.5 is
54 about cancer. What I would like you to do, if I may, and
55 then we can put this book away after I have asked you a
56 couple of questions, is to read to yourself -- my Lord, it
57 might be a good idea to have the five-minute break now --
58 the whole of that section 3.5 down to the Conclusions
59 after Obesity and Diabetes at the top of page 55.
60 A. You would like me to read pages -----
