Day 276 - 09 Jul 96 - Page 13
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2 Q. It was?
3 A. Yes.
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5 Q. In terms of the rest of that paragraph, you do not have any
6 personal experience about where the cattle were reared?
7 A. No.
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9 Q. And then there is a reference in the third paragraph to
10 being fattened in the state of San Paulo, that is the point
11 I was asking about. It is not unusual for cattle to be
12 shipped down to San Paulo to be fattened up?
13 A. No, they are brought in from other states, yes.
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15 Q. Right. That would apply to all your cattle, yes?
16 A. All the cattle that or -- all what cattle?
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18 Q. All the cattle that were being used at the plant at
19 Burretto?
20 A. Yes.
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22 Q. Right. Obviously, not the plants in Gurupi or somewhere
23 like that, you would not be shipping the fattened cattle
24 from San Paulo to Gurupi?
25 A. They would come from nearer round there, I would think.
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27 Q. Yes. What appears in the third paragraph, presumably that
28 is something that you were told by somebody else?
29 A. Well, I was not there in 1880 and so, therefore, yes,
30 it is a matter of history.
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32 Q. Right. But in terms of the history of it, was that what
33 you were informed by somebody else or did you actually--
34 A. No, general knowledge, it seems to be general knowledge
35 that that is what happened.
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37 Q. Right. That is in San Paulo. Right. Okay. And in terms
38 of the fourth paragraph, about it not being economically
39 feasible to truck fat cattle, that is after the fattening
40 stage, and that is the point about why you need to bring
41 them down to San Paulo to be fattened because you could not
42 bring them down once they had been fattened?
43 A. We do not bring them down.
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45 Q. No, but I am talking about in terms of?
46 A. We only -- perhaps, it might be easier, my Lord, if I
47 just explained that the killing of 200,000 cattle a year at
48 Barretos, and off our 13 farms our total killing would be
49 about 20 to 25,000. So we are talking about ten per cent.
50 I can tell you about our cattle, where our cattle came
51 from, I cannot tell you where other cattle came from, they
52 are not mine. That we have bought, we bought them in San
53 Paulo because it is not feasible to bring live cattle a
54 long way down because they bruise and they do not do very
55 well.
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57 Q. Right. That is cattle that have been fattened, yes?
58 A. Not necessarily all cattle.
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60 Q. But, I mean, in terms of you talked about cattle coming
