Day 180 - 31 Oct 95 - Page 65
1 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is nearly half past. One thing Mr. Morris
2 said was some reference, I cannot remember it -- please
3 take a seat, Mr. Pearson, because you will not be asked any
4 more questions this evening -- did you refer to a document
5 in relation to -- I cannot recall exactly what you said.
6 There was some document which you wanted to put in relation
7 to low pay or pay.
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9 MR. MORRIS: One that I have not put?
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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13 MR. MORRIS: There is the labour rate, which was the profit
14 union activity, profit unit activity. There is the chart
15 from Orpington with illegalities on it, which I was going
16 to mention to Mr. Pearson to comment on, which was one of
17 the defendants' documents. I do not know where it is in
18 the bundles, but we have looked at it about 15 times.
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20 MS. STEEL: It is in tab 117.
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22 MR. MORRIS: In tab 117. There is very little else. I do not
23 think we are going to take more than another quarter of an
24 hour, 20 minutes.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We will put it over until the morning. It
27 was just because if there was a document which I could
28 particularly look at overnight I will.
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30 MR. RAMPTON: Before your Lordship rises I should point out
31 that, having looked further down that page of Mr. Davis'
32 evidence, I looked myself ----
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34 MS. STEEL: I have got it in front of me and -----
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36 MR. RAMPTON: -- and what he actually said was that the Bath
37 rate was higher, he thought, than the Company one, which he
38 thought -- although he did not say that it was -- he
39 thought was £3.05 for the over 18s.
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We should be able to find out what people
42 have been getting paid. I mean, apart from anything else,
43 when you get the Bath documents you will be able to point
44 at what people were getting in August 1994 which was two
45 years after the figures Ms. Steel was pointing at in ---
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47 MR. RAMPTON: And we will see the ones for 1993 as well.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- in 1992.
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51 MS. STEEL: If I could just say, the relevant part about the
52 wage rates currently is on day 168, page 35 line 27.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Just read that to me.
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56 MS. STEEL: It says: "I think the Company standard is £2.70 and
57 £3.05, I think." Then you asked: "What is the £2.70", and
58 he said: "I understand that is the under 18s and the £3.05
59 would be for the over 18s."
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