Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 36


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  So, as to your memory, would you say, from your
     3        recollection, it appeared that they had started taking
     4        McDonald's polystyrene and making it into granulates around
     5        that time, winter 1991/1992, would that be?
     6        A.  I would not know whether they had started then or
     7        whether that was -- I could not tell you.  I do not know
     8        when my first meetings were in this area any more.  It
     9        could have been anywhere in the first half of 1992.
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    11   Q.   Right, so it was around -----
    12        A.  By my recollection, then they were either then at that
    13        point in time they were already shipping the material or
    14        the material was actually picked up at the restaurants by
    15        Lin Pac.
    16
    17   Q.   Around that time?
    18        A.  Yes.
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The impression I have -- we will break off
    21        there and you can continue if you want -- at the moment is
    22        what you are saying is:  Lin Pac had started taking
    23        material from McDonald's, you think, just before you joined
    24        Perseco and you joined Perseco in September 1991?
    25        A.  Yes, I could not tell whether it is just before  or--
    26        because I did not, I was not involved also in this other
    27        scheme.
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    29   Q.   You said they were doing it at the time of your first
    30        meetings which were in the first half of 1992?
    31        A.  Yes.
    32
    33   MR. MORRIS:  So would it -----
    34        A.  That would be a fair statement.
    35
    36   Q.   -- be fair to say it was either just before or just after
    37        you joined Perseco?
    38        A.  I do not know that.  I can only say that they had
    39        started at that time.
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    41   Q.   In the first meetings you had with them was the impression
    42        you got that this was a new development that had just been
    43        started?
    44        A.  Yes, it was relatively new because the opening of the
    45        plant was in January 1992, as we have just established.
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    47   Q.   So it would have been after the plant officially opened,
    48        whenever that was?
    49        A.  I do not know.
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    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He said he does not know. 
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    53   MR. MORRIS:  Just the last question really, whenever it was that
    54        you cannot remember or identify, it would not have been the
    55        beginning of 1991 or 1990 or 1989?
    56        A.  I could not tell you.  I really would not know.  It is
    57        as simple as that.
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    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Ask any question which you really want to ask
    60        before 1 o'clock, otherwise we will break off and you can

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