Day 020 - 28 Jul 94 - Page 28
1 As the judge, I can only rely on both sides to keep their
eye on the ball. I am not going to interfere in any way
2 with your cross-examination of this witness, save to make
the point, which all professional advocates are taught at
3 the very early stage, which is to try and concentrate on
the points which you think are the strongest. But, having
4 said that, you carry on in your own way. How many copies
of this document do you have?
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MS. STEEL: I have enough for -----
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us have a look at that. (Handed).
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MR. RAMPTON: If there are any others in a bag ----
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: If there are any others which you are
9 expecting even which you might put this afternoon, when it
gets to 1 o'clock, can you hand a copy to Mr. Rampton and
10 a copy to Dr. Gregory so that he can at least have a
glance at them over the adjournment?
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MS. STEEL: Right. I am getting quite confused because I am
12 trying to speed everything up. I am very conscious of the
amount of things we have to do.
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you want a few minutes to collect
14 yourself, ask for it, but if, before Dr. Gregory goes
away, at 1 o'clock you can get together a copy for him and
15 a copy for Mr. Rampton of anything you think you are going
to put this afternoon, then it will be helpful.
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MS. STEEL: I do not think there is anything -- it is mainly
17 the poultry stuff.
18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let people have a copy of that. Let me have
a copy as well. (Handed) What I have done is I have put
19 a Post-It with Q on it at the back of the orange bundle.
I have only got one so far, that is the document of Dr.
20 Gregory and Dr. Watton's paper you have put, so I am going
to put this behind that.
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MS. STEEL: I am trying to be quick. There is one thing
22 I want to ask you about. Do you know Mr. Heath?
A. I met him once.
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Q. I think you have quoted him in some of the articles you
24 have written. Is he someone who is fairly well respected?
A. Yes, he is a veterinarian, used to be an official
25 veterinary surgeon at a plant in the United Kingdom.
26 Q. This is directly relating to something which came up the
other day. The very last paragraph in this report says on
27 page 100: "The consensus is that about a third of all
broilers are not stunned, so this means that every day in
28 the United Kingdom more than half a million are sentient
when they go to the knife. Surely, this is a problem
29 which OVS's should tackle?" What is your view on that?
A. My immediate view is how was that consensus drawn?
30 That is the first question I would pose. To do that one
would have to quickly glance through the paper to see to
