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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Then it is followed by the notes.
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     4   MR. RAMPTON:  You are absolutely right, yes.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Or what are called the notes.  It does not
     7        matter as long as we can easily find it in your reference.
     8        A.  Okay.  Yes, it is just on the second page of her notes
     9        where she describes me becoming involved with the
    10        discussion.  If I can just say that despite what Mr.
    11        Rampton tried to portray last week, I am actually not
    12        particularly confident about speaking in public.  I think
    13        that confidence about speaking in court is quite different
    14        because we have been here for so long and had so many
    15        pretrial hearings that I have got used to doing it.
    16        Certainly, I know that even now I am still actually quite
    17        nervous at speaking at meetings where there is more than
    18        about five or six people.
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    20             What she said that I said here, it is not in quotes
    21        and it would not have been -- that is not the way that I
    22        would express myself.  I may very well have said something
    23        about wanting to see a society without government and
    24        multinationals and exploitation, but I would not have
    25        expressed it in the way that she has noted it down.
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    27             The notes of 5th July 1990 of Frances Tiller, I don't
    28        know whether I need to go through every single example of
    29        wherever anyone has said anything about leading the
    30        proceedings or chairing the proceedings, it is just a
    31        general point that there weren't any Chairs.  There weren't
    32        any leaders, and there wasn't anybody in charge of getting
    33        things moving, or anything like that.  It was just, on
    34        different dates, different individuals would just decide to
    35        get things moving or take the initiative to get things
    36        moving but they would not be responsible for keeping things
    37        moving throughout and they would not have any power over
    38        anybody else to stop them speaking or to tell them when to
    39        speak.
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    41             Page 156, I think, is the next one.
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    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  26th July.
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    45   MR. MORRIS:  What date is that?
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    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  26th July.  Mr. Bishop?
    48        A.  Actually this is not important.  Just the same thing
    49        again.  Just that Andrew Clarke has never been known as
    50        Charlie.  When he refers to the other Andrew from his
    51        report dated 16th, the other Andrew, who he refers to as
    52        Andrew from Turnpike Hill, it is actually Turnpike Lane,
    53        but Andrew Clarke was from Turnpike Lane, so that is where
    54        he says "the other Andrew from my report dated 16th June
    55        1990", and the same goes for on page 162, the notes of 2nd
    56        August 1990 of Mr. Bishop, where he has got Charlie, as far
    57        as I am aware, Andrew Clarke.
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    59   MR. MORRIS:  That is in the middle of the first paragraph.
    60        A.  On page 164 of the notes, which is the same date, 2nd

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