Day 129 - 25 May 95 - Page 18
1 A. As I say, I have never seen it before and I did not
2 know it existed, so I really would not know why it was not
3 included.
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5 Q. Do you know why, in general, apart from the questions on
6 the back of the forms -- they are separate, are they not?
7 They are what the crew have to answer themselves?
8 A. On a normal OCL, yes.
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10 Q. Yes, the ones on the front, there are no marks for carrying
11 out the work to be done in a safe way?
12 A. No, I am sure in putting it together, in putting
13 together the steps that are involved in working on each
14 station, if those steps are followed, then the work is
15 carried out safely.
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17 Q. Do you not think it would be a good idea to have specific
18 marks on whether or not an employee is carrying out the
19 work safely, so that they get the impression that it is
20 something that you feel is important and that they are
21 going to be checked on?
22 A. Certainly, some of the questions on the normal OCLs do
23 refer to working safely and their knowledge in terms of
24 what that means. In terms of having a general comment on
25 there, it is possibly something that we should consider.
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27 Q. I mean, you say about asking questions, but there is
28 nothing about what they are doing in practice as opposed to
29 what they may be able to repeat?
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31 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, is that a question about this particular
32 check list or is it about the check lists in general?
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34 MS. STEEL: The check lists in general.
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36 MR. RAMPTON: If it is a proposal, then I am afraid it falls on
37 its face because it is not so; it is an assertion.
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39 MS. STEEL: I am aware of one vague mention on one of the check
40 lists so -----
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42 THE WITNESS: There are usually two questions on every check
43 list -- on every -----
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45 MS. STEEL: No, I am talking about -- the front side is watching
46 the crew members at work?
47 A. That is correct.
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49 Q. That is when they are actually doing the things in
50 practice?
51 A. Yes.
52
53 Q. The back of it is questions about their knowledge?
54 A. That is right, and when you have a look at the safety
55 audit, you will see that the middle section there is about
56 observing people carrying out procedures and seeing if they
57 are following the safe way to do it. That is done
58 separately.
59
60 Q. Right, but what I was asking was, do you not think it would
