Day 275 - 08 Jul 96 - Page 43
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2 Q. Give the reference, if you have it?
3 A. Sorry. In his first statement, paragraph 8, Mr. Carol
4 says that: "At 3.30 pm six people met outside the East
5 Finchley underground station and between then and 4 pm the
6 group rose to about 15 young people. Their ring leader
7 appeared to be Paul Gravit whose name and identity I knew
8 at that time, and Mr. Gravit was accompanied by Helen
9 Steel, whose identity was also known to me at that time."
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11 I just wanted to say that I did not go there with
12 Mr. Gravit. The meeting place was at the underground
13 station and, in common with everybody else who got there
14 before the picket started, that was where I met up.
15 Mr. Gravit has given evidence about having brought the
16 leaflets to the picket. I did not bring any leaflets to
17 the picket. If you look at photograph 4 in tab 4 --
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19 Q. Yes, pause a moment?
20 A. -- in pink 2 --
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22 Q. Yes?
23 A. -- you can see that I am not carrying anything. The
24 man behind me is carrying a black dustbin liner. He is the
25 man who was in the cow suit. So presumably he is carrying
26 the cow suit in the dustbin liner, but I am not carrying
27 anything.
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29 Q. It looks as if Mr. Gravit is carrying a bag?
30 A. Yes. Can I just say that I did ask for the negatives
31 to be brought in for these photographs. It appears to me
32 that they are not actually in order because, for example,
33 No. 2 is five people down at the station and I think I am
34 one of them.
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36 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not think there has been any suggestion
37 that they are necessarily in order.
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39 MR. RAMPTON: No.
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That may be the suggestion, but it has not
42 been said that it is so?
43 A. No. Well, I was just going to say that it appears that
44 there was a group of us met outside the tube station and
45 then, if you look at photograph 3 and photograph 5, they
46 actually seem to be across the road from McDonald's head
47 office. It appears to be Mr. Gravit arriving with these
48 two people, one of whom was the other person who got in the
49 cow suit. But it is just that they appear in 3 and 5,
50 which are either side of us actually walking up the road
51 towards the head office. So, for anyone who did not know
52 the kind of area, they might not realise that.
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54 Q. Yes?
55 A. Or might not realise that. Yes. To go through the
56 photos in tab 5, actually I am in photograph 2 holding the
57 end of the banner. In photograph 7 there is a woman in the
58 middle of the group of people and she is holding orange A5
59 "What is wrong with McDonald's?" leaflets. You can see
60 because the graphic takes up half the page. You can see
