Day 121 - 04 May 95 - Page 70


     
     1
     2   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, scattered throughout the case are
     3        actually quite a lot of documents generated in one form or
     4        another by computers, both here and in America.  To do the
     5        whole range of them overnight would mean it would be
     6        impossible.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Indeed it would, but I am merely thinking,
     9        while we have Mr. Nicholson, because he has only been
    10        referred to a certain number.  I think at some stage before
    11        the end of the case there ought to be a comprehensive list,
    12        because it is not going to be very satisfactory if in, I do
    13        not know, whenever it may be, some months time after the
    14        evidence is closed, someone in the speech is referring to a
    15        computer print-out and someone on the other side stands up
    16        and says:  "Well, that has not been proved and it is just
    17        not admissible".
    18
    19   MR. RAMPTON:  No, precisely that is the point I was seeking to
    20        make.
    21
    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  One thing I am not going to do in the middle
    23        of speeches is go back to having evidence to make stuff
    24        admissible which is not admissible.
    25
    26   MR. RAMPTON:  I hope that is the point I was making the other
    27        day; it must be done sooner rather than later.  What we had
    28        better do at some stage in the near rather than the far
    29        future is produce a list of all the documents which we
    30        think have been generated by a computer, just so that
    31        everybody can see what we think they are.  Unless I hear
    32        otherwise from the Defendants, I will invite your Lordship
    33        to accept those figures or statements, or whatever they
    34        are, as being accurate or reliable.  But, so far as
    35        Mr. Nicholson is concerned, there are, I think, only four.
    36        There is the crew information figures which are two
    37        documents ---
    38
    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The PNL.
    40
    41   MR. RAMPTON:  -- the PNL extract and the table from the Midlands
    42        (which is in the bundle) which Ms. Steel was using, I
    43        believe, she thought to her advantage this afternoon.
    44        Also, there are the big ones and the reductions of
    45        summaries about the number of young people that worked over
    46        96 hours as well, so there is those as well.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Anyway, think about that all overnight.  For
    49        all I know, you will come back in the morning and say:
    50         "Yes, we accept that".  What you cannot really do is 
    51        accept some figures from a print-out and not others.  It is 
    52        either all in or all out.  You have made some use of the 
    53        figures to forward, you hope, your own case, but I think we
    54        have got to be absolutely clear whether in fact you are
    55        accepting them.  If you do not, it may not be difficult for
    56        Mr. Rampton to go through the form required to prove them,
    57        but that is another matter.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  So will the procedure be that we get a list of
    60        computer-generated -----

Prev Next Index