Day 263 - 14 Jun 96 - Page 41
1 called Paul?
2 A. I do not remember what I was convinced or not convinced
3 about. He simply referred to himself as Paul, and that is
4 how I have noted it.
5
6 Q. But, I mean, everybody else only referred to themselves by
7 their names, but you have not put all their names in
8 inverted commas?
9 A. I cannot tell you any more. That is my recollection of
10 the event. I do not recollect seeing Brian Bishop at
11 meetings, or I did not, until you have just pointed it out,
12 know who that Paul was. That is simply how I have noted it
13 at that time.
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15 Q. Right. OK.
16
17 "...at 8 p.m. by Marion. Alan arrived shortly afterwards
18 and the meeting commenced. We were also joined by
19 Jane Laporte, Helen Steel" -- and you say a girl called
20 Roseanne was also present. So the Alan there is Alan from
21 Catford, from the -----
22 A. I would assume so.
23
24 Q. You have made a note there that the red telephone bill has
25 been received, and that I had said that I was not able to
26 pay the bill as I did not have the bank book which was
27 supposed to be in the possession of Paul Gravett. You
28 confirm that; yes?
29 A. Yes.
30
31 Q. You do not recollect saying anything about Mr. Morris being
32 the other person -- that it being myself and Mr. Morris,
33 rather than myself and Mr. Gravett?
34 A. What being yourself and Mr. Morris?
35
36 Q. The discussion about the bank book and paying the phone
37 bill. It is your recollection that the discussion related
38 to myself and Mr. Gravett, rather than myself and
39 Mr. Morris?
40 A. I do not recall the whole discussion. I can only say
41 what I have made in my note, and that was that the bank
42 book was believed to be in the possession of Paul Gravett,
43 and you had made a comment that you could not pay it.
44
45 MS. STEEL: OK.
46
47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: "A man calling himself Paul", just think
48 about that. Wherever you had a newcomer come in, you just
49 said "someone called" and then a name, and on that sheet
50 you say "a girl called Roseanne"; you do not put that in
51 inverted commas. Does it not look to you as if you thought
52 the man calling himself Paul might not have been called
53 Paul, in fact?
54 A. My Lord, I do not recollect what my feelings were at
55 the time. All I can say is that I did not know
56 Brian Bishop at that time.
57
58 MS. STEEL: There is then a discussion about the public
59 meeting, and it was still to go ahead under the title of
60 "Anarchism versus Socialism: Is there a difference",
