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     2        If she is to make any reference, or place of reference to
     3        or place any reliance on that piece of work when she comes
     4        to give evidence, I give notice that if she is going to
     5        pray in aid what is written in that document, any of the
     6        well over a hundred references which it contains, I require
     7        to have copies of them before she gives evidence; and when
     8        I say "before", I do not mean as she climbs into the
     9        witness box.
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    11        I say that for this reason, that if that does not happen,
    12        then once again I shall have to ask your Lordship for leave
    13        to postpone her cross-examination to some future date.
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    15        I can show your Lordship the document.
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    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What appeared to me, looking at Miss Dibb and
    18        Miss Gallatley, Miss Gallatley appears to me to be partly
    19        in a different category to Miss Dibb, because her support
    20        for some, if not all, of the propositions she put forward
    21        is her own experience going around and speaking in
    22        schools.  She is entitled to tell us about that, and you
    23        can test it in cross-examination to see whether it is
    24        reliable.
    25
    26        Miss Dibb, it had occurred to me, was in a rather different
    27        position, because she suggests that research and/or her own
    28        inquiries demonstrate a number of propositions, which she
    29        sets out.
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    31        Therefore, it had occurred to me that, which is really the
    32        point you are making, in so far as she is going to -- it is
    33        not just a question of in so far as she is going to pray in
    34        aid the research, but in so far as she may make a statement
    35        and then, when asked for the support of it, may refer to
    36        some paper or research, we should have a copy of it.
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    38   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
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    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We should have a copy of it, because
    41        Ms. Steel or Mr. Morris may want her to refer to it to
    42        support her statement.  Even if they do not have it in mind
    43        to do that, we should have a copy, because you may wish to
    44        look at it to see whether it, in fact, supports what she
    45        says.  That is your point, is it?
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    47   MR. RAMPTON:  Absolutely.  I notice that, as one of the
    48        footnotes to her statement for these proceedings, she does
    49        mention that paper publication that I referred to.
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    51        I have made a list of those of her references that I know 
    52        that I require, never mind whether she would wish them to 
    53        be referred to or not.
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    55        But my suggestion is that we should be given copies of
    56        anything else besides to which she may wish to make
    57        reference in support of what she says in that paper or in
    58        the witness box.
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    60   MR. MORRIS:  As far as I was aware, if there is a public

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