Day 188 - 15 Nov 95 - Page 31


     
     1        A.  Yes.  We were sitting there filming it; so that the
     2        crew was there, and Jane and myself, and the camera, was on
     3        the course; and we were sitting at a side table, so that we
     4        could watch what was happening.  So I was present during
     5        that, yes; and the cameras were present; otherwise, he
     6        would not have said it could not be used on film.
     7
     8   Q.  "Paul Preston rang Strand first thing Tuesday morning to
     9        check what was happening and rang the university and
    10        Edgware store, similarly."
    11
    12        How do you know that?
    13        A.  I think probably one of the managers -- I mean, from
    14        this distance, one of the managers would have told us; and
    15        I think it was probably Michael, from memory,
    16        Michael Metcalfe, but I would not -----
    17
    18   Q.   Was he on this course?
    19        A.  No.  He told us -- this was not at the course that we
    20        were told that; we were told by the Strand store that he
    21        had rung the Strand store; and I think it was probably
    22        Michael who told us that Paul Preston had been on to find
    23        out what was happening.
    24
    25   Q.   That is all a bit of a -----
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   OK.  "On Tuesday, when I was sitting at the back of class
    29        snooping, students walked out and were chatting to me on
    30        the way down to lunch.  Tindale called them back into
    31        classroom and they were warned not to be critical of
    32        McDonald's or course during lunchtime filming."
    33
    34        How do you know he did that?
    35        A.  I knew that he had called them back, because they came
    36        out and they were called back.  They then told me what he
    37        said to them.
    38
    39   Q.   That is what they told you?
    40        A.  Yes
    41
    42   Q.  "When students came out of the classroom again, Alistair was
    43        given a further reinforcement by Anne Henderson, 'That
    44        means you especially, Alistair'."
    45
    46        Did you overhear that conversation?
    47        A.  Yes.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Was Anne Henderson a woman public relations
    50        representative, or someone else? 
    51        A.  No.  She was one of the tutors. 
    52 
    53   MR. RAMPTON:  She was the lady on the film.  There were two of
    54        them: there was Mr. Tindale and Miss Anne Henderson.  The
    55        public relations lady is called Corinne Reed, who is a
    56        Scottish lady.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:  When she said, "That means you especially,

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