Day 174 - 17 Oct 95 - Page 15
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2 MR. MORRIS: Sorry. I am trying to save time, but maybe it does
3 not save time. Have you got your statement in front of
4 you?
5 A. Sorry, what -----
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is yellow X.
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9 MR. RAMPTON: It is XIII, I think, my Lord.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I would like it to be moved. I was told that
12 it was now 19 in yellow X, so I faithfully moved it across
13 and changed my index. It is totally trivial, but it is
14 irritating. (To the witness) Have you found it now?
15 A. Yes.
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17 Q. If you look at page 6, there is a reference there in
18 paragraph 16 to an informal meeting with the union. In
19 paragraph 17, this last telephone conversation,
20 21st September. Have you found it?
21 A. Excuse me, my Lord, tab 41?
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23 Q. Tab 19.
24 A. Sorry.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Which tab is it?
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28 MR. RAMPTON: 41.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 41, yes. If I can just take you through what
31 I get as the chronology: page 6, paragraph 16, the court
32 gave its recommendations on 5th September.
33 A. Yes.
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35 Q. You had an informal meeting with the union on
36 7th September?
37 A. Yes.
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39 Q. Over the page, paragraph 18, you say: "My meeting with the
40 union on 10th September". Do you mean 10th September, or
41 did you mean 7th September -- because you say it is the
42 only time you met with him?
43 A. I must have meant 7th September.
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45 Q. You had a telephone conversation on 21st September. That
46 is paragraph 17.
47 A. Yes.
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49 Q. I have got the picture, rightly or wrongly, that before the
50 Labour Court, you had spoken to Mr. Mullen on the phone
51 anyway. Is that right or wrong?
52 A. I spoken with him personally, my Lord.
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54 Q. Mr. Mullen?
55 A. Yes.
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57 Q. On the telephone. Before the Labour Court meeting or not?
58 A. No. I had spoken with somebody in the union, if it was
59 Mr. Mullen, before the Labour Court; but if it was
60 Mr. Mullen, I cannot recall. I cannot recall at this
