Day 260 - 11 Jun 96 - Page 29


     
     1   MS. STEEL:   When you say, "I have been looking to see who
     2        actually runs the group", in the middle of the paragraph
     3        that we were referring to a moment ago ---
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   -- so it was not apparent when you walked in; it was not
     7        like, "Oh, here is clearly someone who is in charge of the
     8        group" and, you know, so on; you had to actually try and --
     9        would it be fair to say that you assumed that there had to
    10        be someone in control and you then looked for them?
    11        A.  Yes.  I was trying to -- I think this was only my
    12        second, or perhaps third, meeting, and my object was to
    13        discover who was at the heart of the organisation.
    14
    15   Q.   It was not something that was immediately apparent?
    16        A.  No.
    17
    18   Q.   OK.
    19        A.  I think this was the first meeting I had seen you at.
    20
    21   Q.   Can I ask you one final thing about the discussion in the
    22        pub afterwards?  You say in brackets: "On several
    23        occasions".....
    24
    25        "Everyone went to the Malt and Hops Public House, apart
    26        from Alan and Roseanne. I stayed in the public house for
    27        around one hour during which time I was gently tested by
    28        Helen as to my age, occupation, present domicile, et
    29        cetera.  I replied that I was 40 years old next birthday,
    30        that I drove lorries on a casual basis, and that included
    31        Continental work, and that I was presently living in
    32        Camden, but that I would probably be moving quite soon."
    33
    34        Then you have got in brackets: "On several occasions during
    35        this period, I saw Helen looking at me."
    36
    37        What was that supposed to mean?
    38        A.  During the time I was in the public house, I observed
    39        you observing me, wondering who I was.  That was the
    40        impression that I had.
    41
    42   Q.   What, that I was suspicious of you?
    43        A.  It was possible.
    44
    45   Q.   OK.  Just on the point about you -- asking you about --
    46        I do not think you have said this in evidence.  The name
    47        that you used at the London Greenpeace meetings was Paul,
    48        was it not?
    49        A.  That is correct.
    50 
    51   Q.   Was there any particular significance to choosing the name 
    52        of Paul? 
    53        A.  No.
    54
    55   Q.   Because it might be thought to make things confusing with
    56        Paul Gravett, that is all, bearing in mind there was a Paul
    57        already in the group?
    58        A.  I actually have a tattoo on my arm with the name Paul
    59        tattooed on it, so it is a name I use quite often.
    60

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