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     1        that the storage of that information was, whilst under 18s
     2        was probably there and some of the other stuff was there, a
     3        lot of audit adjustments were missing, and going back for
     4        quite a while.
     5
     6        I mean, that would have occurred to me at the time, to be
     7        honest, sir, and I think I would have looked at it
     8        thoroughly.  I considered that I was very thorough in the
     9        way that I looked into things.
    10
    11        Again, you know, I actually do remember asking the crew
    12        about this; and, again, it is so vague, to be honest with
    13        you, I think that people mentioned to me about previous
    14        incidents and I looked a little further into it and it all
    15        boiled back to hearsay and the incident relating to --
    16        I believe it was Tracey Milleine.  So some crew did say --
    17        I did ask that question, in fact: "How long has this
    18        practice been going on", and people said, "Oh, it has
    19        happened before, you know"; one crew member, I think, you
    20        know, said this stuff to me, and I looked back into it,
    21        tried to pin down what people were saying, and it really
    22        came back to that incident, I think, with Tracey Milleine.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:  How many years is the clock card information
    25        legally required to be retained on computer?
    26        A.  To be honest with you, I am not sure.  I think it is
    27        something like six years.
    28
    29   Q.   Right.
    30        A.  I think so.  I am not totally certain about that.
    31
    32   Q.   So, although the actual paper documents may not have been
    33        available, it would have been possible at that time to get
    34        a printout of the previous -- well, ever since the Husky
    35        came in?
    36        A.  You know something, I looked into, I investigated an
    37        incident in Clacton on another occasion with regard to a
    38        crew member claiming that they had not been paid, and the
    39        records were not available in the restaurant; and I did on
    40        that occasion consult with the Central Office, and it was
    41        extremely difficult for me to get any data from the Central
    42        Office at that time.  I managed to get one sheet of
    43        information which cleared up the situation, but it was
    44        extremely difficult to get that data.  I just do not think
    45        that the storage at Central -- to be honest with you, I do
    46        not know where the responsibility is -- is it with
    47        restaurant managers or is it with Central Filing -- you
    48        know, at this time.  I mean, I am sure we could check.
    49
    50   Q.   Did you contact the Central Office and ask for that 
    51        information? 
    52        A.  On this occasion, no. 
    53
    54   Q.   Even though there was, in your belief, some kind of
    55        systematic, fraudulent under-payment, illegal -----
    56        A.  No, I have not said that at all.  I have never
    57        said -----
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  "Systematic" was your word, I think.  That is
    60        what led to the whole of my intervention.

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