Day 079 - 27 Jan 95 - Page 46


     
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     2   Q.   So if you wanted to bring someone in the USA or something
     3        like that ------
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     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where are we going now?
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     7   MR. MORRIS:  I am going somewhere.
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     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I would like to know where.
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    11   MR. MORRIS:  I cannot really say where.  I am just going through
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Then you must tell me if you want to go any
    15        further with this.
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    17   MS. STEEL:  Can the witness leave the room then, please?
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Do you mind leaving the court?
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    21                  (The witness withdrew from the court)
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    23   MR. MORRIS:  The reason is that, obviously, we are not satisfied
    24        that our experts were not able to visit abattoirs.
    25        McDonald's have given the excuse, they have claimed that
    26        their abattoirs did not want any one from "London
    27        Greenpeace" (although no-one from London Greenpeace was
    28        suggested) to visit their abattoirs.  We have not seen any
    29        evidence that they wrote to the abattoirs.  We have not
    30        seen any evidence that they wrote to all 59, or whatever it
    31        is, and that they got replies or whatever.  So, I am trying
    32        to establish whether, in fact, the abattoirs would be
    33        expected to comply with McDonald's wishes if it was an
    34        important matter, which we believe this case is an
    35        important matter.
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    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  He has said that he would expect to be
    38        able to go into any abattoir.  What I suggest you do is ask
    39        him -- you need not refer it to the USA or anything like --
    40        would he expect any abattoir to let him take in anyone whom
    41        he wished?  Then we will see where we get there, but when
    42        you have that answer the rest is a comment you can raise
    43        with me.  It is not for Mr. Walker.  Whether it is a valid
    44        comment or not is something we can argue, if need be.
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    46   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I think it may be simpler than that
    47        because -- I do not know at the moment; Mrs. Brinley-Codd
    48        is looking at the correspondence files -- I think the
    49        position is that the Defendants were told that Mr. Walker
    50        was not willing to ask the abattoirs to entertain a 
    51        so-called expert on behalf of the Defendants. 
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    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  By all means ask a question about that if you
    54        want.  By all means preface it, if you want, with the kind
    55        of question which I suggested a moment or two ago, would he
    56        expect an abattoir to allow him to take in anyone or would
    57        there be any restriction on it?
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    59   MR. MORRIS:  It might be helpful if Mrs. Brinley-Codd can find
    60        that.

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