Day 099 - 08 Mar 95 - Page 26
1 Q. Mr. Kenny, if you look at the bottom of the page there is a
2 table, is there not?
3 A. Yes.
4
5 Q. With "Organism", "n", "c", "M", "m", those Ms being "M" for
6 mother ---
7 A. Yes.
8
9 Q. The first row in the table under those headings is for the
10 total colony count or viable count, right?
11 A. The first?
12
13 Q. The first row under -- it calls itself "Aerobic mesophile
14 bacteria", otherwise known at TVC?
15 A. Yes.
16
17 Q. "n" means the number of samples to be taken?
18 A. Correct.
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20 Q. "c" means the number of same proposal which are permitted
21 to fail within that larger sample, if I can put it like
22 that. In other words, you are allowed to fail twice out of
23 five times, it looks like, does it not?
24 A. Two samples are allowed to be above the "m" count.
25
26 Q. Above the "m"?
27 A. Yes.
28
29 Q. The "m" is 500,000, is it not?
30 A. Yes.
31
32 Q. The "M" which is unsatisfactory or fail is more than
33 5,000,000?
34 A. That is right, yes.
35
36 Q. Do you know what those standards are derived from, what is
37 that table based on, do you know?
38 A. I believe this comes, it says here, from the Minced
39 Meat Directive.
40
41 Q. Which we can see originated at least in 1988; is that
42 right?
43 A. That is right, yes.
44
45 Q. Has there been any more restrictive directive come into
46 force since then, do you know?
47 A. No, we are still waiting for the microbiological
48 guidelines from the EU.
49
50 Q. Keeping your finger -- I am awfully sorry about this but
51 there is nothing I can do -- in that appendix, could you
52 turn on, please, to I think it is "G", it is "7" of your
53 appendices?
54 A. Yes.
55
56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I just want to think about that, if I may,
57 for a moment. I understand what you have said, but if we
58 take the first line, for instance, Aerobic mesophile
59 bacteria, two are permitted to fail, you say, two samples
60 are allowed to be above "m"?
