Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 27


     
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     2   Q.   The male chicks are rejected for battery laying?
     3        A.  Now you are talking two different -- we do not know
     4        from this whether they are laying hens or they are
     5        broilers.  You cannot tell from there.  The males can be
     6        raised and can be sold.  There are people who raise from
     7        the laying hens.
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     9   Q.   All of them?  All the male hens?
    10        A.  I do not know all of them.  I cannot tell you.  A lot
    11        of them end up in markets for the cages and things like
    12        that.  All of them -- I cannot make such a wide assumption
    13        from an industry like a poultry industry in the United
    14        States.
    15
    16   Q.   Are you aware at least of some of the male chicks being
    17        killed off?
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    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We have got right away from the film, have we
    20        not?  Let us get back to the film and if you want to come
    21        back to something, do.  I was merely asking if that is not
    22        what happens in what particular respects that I could
    23        identify.
    24
    25                        (The video continued)
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    27   MS. STEEL:  Is there anything unusual about that?
    28        A.  Very unusual.
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    30   Q.   You have not seen that?
    31        A.  I have never seen that happen, no, never.  Absolutely
    32        not.
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    34   Q.   So do you think things have changed since those times?
    35        A.  I do not know.  I have never seen that happen in my
    36        entire life to that extreme.  I do not know what this was.
    37        It was obviously a very poorly run, that operation.  I do
    38        not know where that came from.  You do not see those --
    39        I have never seen those kinds of operations.
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    41   Q.   Was the type of equipment that he was using, was that the
    42        kind of equipment that is generally used?
    43        A.  I have not seen, not what our suppliers that I have
    44        seen they use.  They use, it is more of a block.  It just
    45        does not cut, it just burns the tip.  It is not what I have
    46        seen in operations.
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    48   Q.   How long have they been using that burn system them?
    49        A.  That is the only thing that I have seen them doing it
    50        was -- I only saw them a few times in 1991, I think, about 
    51        1991, 1992. 
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    53   MS. STEEL:   Carry on, please.
    54
    55                   (The video recording continued)
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    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could you pause there, Mrs. Brinley-Codd,
    58        please?  Do you recognise those as either broilers or
    59        layers or what?  Can you say?
    60        A.  No, at the beginning of that early age it is not clear.

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