Day 143 - 27 Jun 95 - Page 44


     
     1        and I would be foolhardy to start getting involved in some
     2        of that.
     3
     4   Q.   Does that apply to the point over the page as well for
     5        Denmark?
     6        A.  Where are they numbered?
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Denmark starts immediately below Germany and
     9        continues on to the following page.
    10        A.  So it does.
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know if 90 per cent of the Danish employees
    13        at McDonald's at some stage in the 80s were on minimum wage
    14        levels?
    15        A.  I knew as a general statement from our owner/operators
    16        there that they were paying above the -- they called it "an
    17        orange book".  That was the national agreement, the
    18        catering industry agreement, and they called it "an orange
    19        book" -- do not ask me why they called it "an orange book",
    20        I do not know -- but they would make reference to the fact
    21        that their wages were higher than the "orange book".
    22
    23   Q.   I think that is something we looked at a bit earlier on in
    24        the questioning, that McDonald's evidence is it was
    25        something like a krona or two kronas above the minimum.
    26        A.  I cannot tell you, from my recollection, what it was.
    27        I just remember that they told me it was; I may have known
    28        the specifics at that time but, boy, I have -- I cannot
    29        recall that.
    30
    31   Q.   But in terms of the percentage at McDonald's minimum rate,
    32        that is not something which you have looked into?
    33        A.  The percentage of McDonald's minimum rate?
    34
    35   Q.   McDonald's employees at their own minimum?
    36        A.  That was over the orange book?
    37
    38   Q.   Yes, at their own minimum?
    39        A.  No.  No.  All I knew was that the orange book was less
    40         -- Burger King that was following, apparently, the orange
    41        book was paying less; that I was aware of.
    42
    43   Q.   Regarding the central paragraph under the
    44        Netherlands  ------
    45
    46   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord, I do not think the Netherlands, I may
    47        be wrong about that, I had better look before I speak.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:  It is part of the case.
    50 
    51   MR. RAMPTON:  I shall look and see what is pleaded. 
    52 
    53   MR. MORRIS:  You do not have any information about the
    54        percentages of McDonald's staff, whether 98 per cent of the
    55        crew would be on the McDonald's basic rates at some stage
    56        in the 80s, you would not have looked into that?
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know whether at about this time, which
    59        is about the middle or later 80s, do you know what
    60        percentage, if any, of the workforce in any European

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