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     1        A.  No, I did not.  I had no responsibility for it.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just ask while there is a pause anyway,
     4        in paragraph 10 of your statement you say: "Many of our
     5        customers did separate the polystyrene items from other
     6        either items.  At least half the weight of waste in the
     7        polystyrene bin was from waste other than polystyrene." If
     8        one looks at an average table with, say, two or three
     9        people sitting there with their cups, clam shells, trays,
    10        napkins, cartons of french fries and so on, could you give
    11        a very rough stab at how those items, polystyrene on the
    12        one hand and paperboard on the other, would compare for
    13        weight?  The reason I ask, it just occurs to me that if
    14        everyone put everything from their table into the
    15        polystyrene bin you might end up with those proportions.
    16        A.  You might.  I think the key word is "weight" "weight of
    17        waste".  Polystyrene is very light but is very bulky.  When
    18        it says "at least half the weight of waste in the
    19        polystyrene bin was from waste other than polystyrene",
    20        that would be true because the other packaging would be
    21        much denser than polystyrene.
    22
    23   Q.   So there would be more polystyrene in by space taken, you
    24        think?
    25        A.  By volume, yes, that is correct.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:  Which department was responsible for this
    28        Nottingham experiment?
    29        A.  I think the initiative came from Mike Matthews himself
    30        when he was in charge of environment.  He also worked at
    31        that time in the Midlands region, but principally I think
    32        it was his initiative; at least I believe it was.  I do not
    33        know for sure.
    34
    35   Q.   It is a different department from yours?
    36        A.  Yes.
    37
    38   Q.   So your knowledge of that experiment is based, again, from
    39        what someone has told you from a different department.  Is
    40        that correct?
    41        A.  Yes.
    42
    43   Q.   But you are relying on it in your evidence as an example of
    44        something?
    45        A.  Well, I certainly know it happened.
    46
    47   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest that you do not both stay
    48        standing at the same time?  In the normal way of the things
    49        I would say to Ms. Steel, "You are the First Defendant, you
    50        cross-examine now", and when she has finished all the 
    51        questions she wanted to ask I would say to Mr. Morris, "Now 
    52        is your opportunity to ask any questions". 
    53
    54   MS. STEEL:   He was just taking over while I am looking for
    55        something.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I dare say.  I have chosen not to take that
    58        course because you are working in harness and I cannot see
    59        any harm in you so doing.  I think we have to have one
    60        person asking a sequence of questions and then another,

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