Day 128 - 24 May 95 - Page 14
1 unplugged, if possible." Do you not think that would
2 suggest to crew members that it is fine for them to do
3 repairs as long as they make sure they switched off the
4 equipment before they do it?
5 A. I do not think so, because the sort of cleaning and any
6 maintenance I would consider this would cover would be, for
7 example, pulling out fry stations, cleaning behind them,
8 and grills, cleaning behind them.
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10 Q. Changing a fuse in a plug?
11 A. I do not think so. That is certainly not something
12 that, as a Store Manager, I would have expected my crew to
13 do.
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15 Q. You would accept though that crew might think maintenance
16 would include those kind of things?
17 A. It is certainly not specified here. I really do not
18 know what they might think.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Just so I am not mistaken, a Floor Manager
21 was not one of the management levels who would go on the
22 AEC?
23 A. That is right, yes.
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25 Q. But he or she might find themselves in charge of a shift,
26 in running the restaurant before their particular shift or
27 a part of a shift?
28 A. At this time in 1990, it was the rule we did not have
29 shift running Floor Managers. That has only changed
30 relatively recently, the last three years or so. That is
31 why we now have a specific shift running Floor Managers
32 course. That is not to say that, I am sure that going back
33 to 1990, occasionally a Floor Manager was not left in
34 charge. I am sure it happened occasionally.
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36 Q. The Floor Manager would have the crew training programme?
37 A. They would, yes. There is also a specific Floor
38 Managers' course, but I am not familiar with the content of
39 it -- or certainly back in 1990.
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41 Q. I have to say, really from the experience of perhaps the
42 way one would act himself, if you were a crew member and
43 you thought a plug needed changing, one's first reaction
44 would be to get on and do it unless one was expressly
45 forbidden not to; what do you say about that proposition?
46 A. I think it was certainly something that we realised at
47 the time of Mark Hopkins' accident, that, certainly Robert
48 Chapman's thinking must have been along those lines, that,
49 for example, if you know, the toaster plug had gone at
50 home, he would have mended it for his mum. I am sure he
51 was looking at it in exactly the same way.
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53 MS. STEEL: I have finished with that particular bundle.
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55 THE WITNESS: Can I add a point?
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
58 A. Certainly when we were investigating Mark Hopkins'
59 accident, one of the things we checked back to was this
60 hygiene safety class. When it was revised the line that we
