Day 184 - 06 Nov 95 - Page 04
1 MS. STEEL: Yes, OK. In particular, in Sabina Iurilla's
2 statement on page 9, paragraph 25. I do not really know
3 how important the next one is, but on page 11, the last
4 part of the -----
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Hold on. In paragraph 25, it is what he is
7 alleged to have said, is it?
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9 MS. STEEL: Yes. He said that nobody had mentioned anything to
10 him. I mean, I do not really know what the position is
11 with a peering shot (sic), but it is also possible to axe
12 that as well.
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14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I know. That is a question of what
15 interpretation one draws from it.
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17 MS. STEEL: The main point is that it is not evidence that he
18 did not know anything about it previously.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What else then?
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22 MS. STEEL: On page 11, the very last couple of lines of
23 paragraph 31 -- although I suspect it may well have been
24 some of the parents who were so concerned about the turn of
25 events.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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29 MS. STEEL: Then on page 15, the last sentence of paragraph 45
30 is really a repetition of what was said in paragraph 25.
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32 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes.
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34 MS. STEEL: There are other points where it says he did not
35 intimidate anybody, but I think, you know, perhaps we can
36 just deal with that during cross-examination.
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38 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, the only one I agree about is the one on
39 page 11, which is not hearsay, but speculation.
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41 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What about the others?
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43 MR. RAMPTON: The witness is entitled to say that it was her
44 impression that a person has heard news for the first
45 time. In my submission, in any case, the function of those
46 parts is only to meet the suggestion by Sarah Ingliss --
47 which may also well be hearsay, for all I know -- that it
48 was somebody else who had earlier told Mr. Ballantyne about
49 Sarah Ingliss's union activity. I think it was a girl
50 called Michelle Owen.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I think that the line in page 9 paragraph 25
53 should come out, because it seems to me that is more
54 directed at suggesting that that was true than the fact it
55 was said.
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57 MR. RAMPTON: I am quite happy with that, my Lord.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let me just look. I do not see any objection
60 to 15, paragraph 45, because that clearly relates back to
