Day 128 - 24 May 95 - Page 14


     
     1        unplugged, if possible."   Do you not think that would
     2        suggest to crew members that it is fine for them to do
     3        repairs as long as they make sure they switched off the
     4        equipment before they do it?
     5        A.  I do not think so, because the sort of cleaning and any
     6        maintenance I would consider this would cover would be, for
     7        example, pulling out fry stations, cleaning behind them,
     8        and grills, cleaning behind them.
     9
    10   Q.   Changing a fuse in a plug?
    11        A.  I do not think so.  That is certainly not something
    12        that, as a Store Manager, I would have expected my crew to
    13        do.
    14
    15   Q.   You would accept though that crew might think maintenance
    16        would include those kind of things?
    17        A.  It is certainly not specified here.  I really do not
    18        know what they might think.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just so I am not mistaken, a Floor Manager
    21        was not one of the management levels who would go on the
    22        AEC?
    23        A.  That is right, yes.
    24
    25   Q.   But he or she might find themselves in charge of a shift,
    26        in running the restaurant before their particular shift or
    27        a part of a shift?
    28        A.  At this time in 1990, it was the rule we did not have
    29        shift running Floor Managers.  That has only changed
    30        relatively recently, the last three years or so.  That is
    31        why we now have a specific shift running Floor Managers
    32        course.  That is not to say that, I am sure that going back
    33        to 1990, occasionally a Floor Manager was not left in
    34        charge.  I am sure it happened occasionally.
    35
    36   Q.   The Floor Manager would have the crew training programme?
    37        A.  They would, yes.  There is also a specific Floor
    38        Managers' course, but I am not familiar with the content of
    39        it -- or certainly back in 1990.
    40
    41   Q.   I have to say, really from the experience of perhaps the
    42        way one would act himself, if you were a crew member and
    43        you thought a plug needed changing, one's first reaction
    44        would be to get on and do it unless one was expressly
    45        forbidden not to; what do you say about that proposition?
    46        A.  I think it was certainly something that we realised at
    47        the time of Mark Hopkins' accident, that, certainly Robert
    48        Chapman's thinking must have been along those lines, that,
    49        for example, if you know, the toaster plug had gone at
    50        home, he would have mended it for his mum.  I am sure he 
    51        was looking at it in exactly the same way. 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:   I have finished with that particular bundle.
    54
    55   THE WITNESS:  Can I add a point?
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    58        A.  Certainly when we were investigating Mark Hopkins'
    59        accident, one of the things we checked back to was this
    60        hygiene safety class.  When it was revised the line that we

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