Day 166 - 28 Sep 95 - Page 22
1 7.00 in the morning. Nobody worked that long a shift from
2 7.00. Even now my own staff, now they finish at 2.30 or
3 2.00 or 2.30 or 3 o'clock at the latest, perhaps.
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5 Q. Mr. Magill was a full-time worker, yes?
6 A. Yes.
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8 Q. A full-time worker generally would work at least 35 hours a
9 week?
10 A. Across five shifts, yes.
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12 Q. Right. The time that workers spend on breaks is not
13 included in that, is it? They were not paid for their
14 bricks, were they?
15 A. No, they were not
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17 MR. JUSTICE BELL: When you are talking about breaks, it may be
18 rather pedantic; can you distinguish, say which breaks you
19 mean?
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21 MS. STEEL: OK. According to the statement of Mr. Magill which
22 I might -----
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, just forget the statement, but just what
25 you are putting when you put a question; whether you
26 mean ---
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28 MS. STEEL: Yes, I am trying to put that, sorry.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- mid-shift and drinks breaks or just
31 mid-shift breaks or whatever you mean to put anyway.
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33 MS. STEEL (To the witness): Mr. Magill said in his statement,
34 which I believe you have agreed with in your statement --
35 I cannot remember exactly where it was -- that staff had to
36 clock off at all their breaks?
37 A. Yes.
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39 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Including drinks breaks?
40 A. No.
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42 MS. STEEL: That did not include drinks breaks?
43 A. No. Staff do not clock off for drinks breaks.
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45 Q. So, apart from the lunch time break, what would be the
46 other breaks -- it is meal breaks, is it, that they are
47 clocking off for?
48 A. That is probably the best thing to describe it as, as a
49 meal break rather than anything else.
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51 Q. OK. How long generally would they take for a meal break?
52 What was their entitlement?
53 A. The 45 minutes.
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55 Q. 45 minutes, right. If Mr. Magill was only working from
56 7.00 until 2.00, even if he worked throughout that whole
57 period without a meal break, five days a week, that would
58 be 35 hours. If you take off the meal break, which,
59 presumably, Mr. Magill had, or he says he had, I think,
60 that would be less than 35 hours?
