Day 132 - 07 Jun 95 - Page 33


     
     1        shocks.  I do not believe that a defect of this type would
     2        be ignored, running contrary to all the laid down training
     3        and management systems".  Apart from the fact that you are,
     4        effectively, implying the person is lying or making it up?
     5        A.  No, I am not.
     6
     7   Q.   That if a toaster was giving people shocks you would be
     8        concerned, would you not?
     9        A.  Of course.  What this implies is that there was a
    10        toaster that was live and giving people shocks for six
    11        weeks.  It would not just work on Saturdays, presumably.
    12        I do not believe that a toaster would be left for six weeks
    13        giving people shocks.  I do not think for a second -- if
    14        I may finish -- that people are lying.  What I will say is
    15        that you have to be absolutely sure when you are making
    16        allegations of shocks that it is not, in actual fact,
    17        static electricity, or something like that.
    18
    19        I do not know the instance and why she said so.  If we are
    20        talking about people getting a belt off a toaster, I do not
    21        believe it would be left for six weeks, and that is my
    22        considered opinion.
    23
    24   Q.   But these, of course, are from people that have worked at
    25        McDonald's in reality.
    26
    27   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, we cannot have that.  We have not seen
    28        them yet.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:  No, but I am saying these are statements -----
    31
    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not think you need go any further
    33        because Mr. Purslow has given his view, for whatever it is
    34        worth.  We will see what the evidence is in due course.
    35
    36   MR. MORRIS:  You then say:  "Why the 'Mac toaster bun sheet'
    37        should fall on staff, I cannot conceive." If a Mac toaster
    38        bun sheet was in danger of falling on staff, would that
    39        concern you?
    40        A.  Yes, of course, and I am sure.  All I am saying is
    41        I cannot usefully comment on why that should have
    42        happened.  That is all the point I am saying.  It is not as
    43        if Mac toaster bun sheets were falling on people every five
    44        minutes.
    45
    46   Q.   You are not saying that you cannot comment, are you?  You
    47        are trying to deny -- you are trying to counter what these
    48        witnesses are stating as -----
    49        A.  I am commenting on what the witness said and, as I say,
    50        I have no -- I cannot conceive why that would happen. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you tell me what the Mac toaster bun 
    53        sheet is?
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  I cannot actually at the moment.
    56
    57   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is it?
    58        A.  I think it is a tray, basically, that buns go on to,
    59        but in this particular instance I could not see the
    60        relevance of the comment.  It might well have happened.

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