Day 203 - 12 Jan 96 - Page 37


     
     1        A.  Yes.
     2
     3   Q.   Behind two pages of notes or an embryo statement of
     4        Tracey Milleine, there are some printouts, and if you turn
     5        to the third page of those, we see a date, 29th November
     6        1990, clock card file.  Do you have that?
     7        A.  Yes.
     8
     9   Q.   Then adjustment audit report and then clock card file,
    10        again; and I do not want you to pore over those, but I just
    11        want you to see what kind of documents they are, that the
    12        date is at the end of November 1990 ---
    13        A.  Yes.
    14
    15   Q.   -- and to take it from me for the moment that they were
    16        used to demonstrate how people's hours were reduced for the
    17        purposes of their payslips, so they got paid for less hours
    18        than they had actually worked.
    19        A.  Can I just ask where they came from?
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  Have you ever seen them before?
    22        A.  I do not know.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause.  Let me just take it a little
    25        further.  All I am asking you to grapple with at the moment
    26        -- you may well be asked more questions by Mr. Morris and,
    27        for all I know, by Mr. Rampton in re-examination.  But all
    28        I am pointing out to you at the moment is that those are
    29        matters occurring at or about the end of November 1990 and
    30        that, if you are right in your recollection that the
    31        information came to you in about May or June and went back
    32        for eight weeks at the most, we do not get back past March
    33        1991; and, even if you are wrong in your recollection of
    34        when you were investigating, you investigated as earlier as
    35        February 1991, when you first took over as Area
    36        Supervisor.  If you went back a maximum of eight weeks, one
    37        is unlikely even to get back to the end of November.  Do
    38        you understand?
    39        A.  Yes.
    40
    41   Q.   So there is some documentary evidence here of the sort of
    42        thing you are talking about happening the previous autumn.
    43        Yes, Mr. Morris.
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS: You mentioned that Tracey Milleine was one of the
    46        people that was involved in this, giving you information,
    47        was it?
    48        A.  Well, I mean, I think I seem to recall an earlier
    49        incident -- exactly whose name is involved, I cannot
    50        remember -- but when I was speaking to the crew, they did 
    51        refer -- I asked them this question about how long this had 
    52        been going on and so on, had they been aware of this, and 
    53        they said, yes, it had happened before; and then it all
    54        boiled down to one incident which had happened in the past
    55        and which, when I investigated, had been resolved, to my
    56        recollection.  So, I mean, I think that it may be wrong of
    57        me to use names.  That is what I remember from the time.
    58
    59   Q.   Well, the evidence that has been -- well, what the court
    60        has been told by the Plaintiffs is that Tracey Milleine is

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