Day 033 - 10 Oct 94 - Page 36


     
     1        like, and it has been numbered by somebody, not by me.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is just that mine is not numbered.
     4
     5   MR. RAMPTON:  It is on the second page of the references.
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:  It is page 19 of the references.
     8
     9   MR. RAMPTON:  About three quarters of the way down.  The cancer
    10        references really start at 17.
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which one is it?
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  It is Toniolo and a number of Italians and it is
    15        one to which Dr. Barnard made reference this morning.  So
    16        I think, perhaps, we ought to have it.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    19
    20   MR. RAMPTON:  If we can.  May I mention the others that are
    21        missing as well?
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Shall we do it one by one?  Is there a copy
    24        of Toniolo and Others available?
    25
    26   MS. STEEL:  I will check.  I have a note that it was served,
    27        but that may well be a mistake.
    28
    29   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I suggest we do, if you list them,
    30        although it is not the normal practice, as we have said,
    31        if Ms. Steel and Mr. Morris speak over the adjournment to
    32        Dr. Barnard solely in relation to how they might be
    33        obtained if, in fact, you find you have not got them.
    34
    35   MR. RAMPTON:  I am only going to mention the cancer ones.
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could you just mention them?  Do you want to
    38        read them out now?
    39
    40   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it would help because then your Lordship
    41        will know which -- I have not and therefore your Lordship
    42        probably has not either.  The first one that is missing is
    43        Hirayami's work from 1978.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where do I find that?
    46
    47   MS. STEEL:  That one is in Dr. Arnott's references, I think,
    48        anyway.  It is reference number 6 of Dr. Arnott.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  All I suggest is if Mr. Rampton goes through 
    51        them now and then over the adjournment you may say "they 
    52        are with Dr. Arnott's references", "we have served them", 
    53        "we have not got that but it can be got in this way", or
    54        whatever.  Where is that, Mr. Rampton?
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  It is two above Toniolo.  It is in Dr. Arnott's
    57        references I am told.  It is not going to be controversial
    58        anyway.  I have now got, I think, the green book, National
    59        Research Council at the bottom of page 19, Diet, Nutrition
    60        and Cancer.  On the next page, halfway down, under Ross

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