Day 116 - 26 Apr 95 - Page 17


     
     1        A.  Yes, I do.
     2
     3   Q.   If we look through these tabs, from 44 to 51, we find that
     4        they concern themselves exclusively with people under 18?
     5        A.  Yes, that is correct.
     6
     7   Q.   What is the reason for that?
     8        A.  We are highlighting for the information of supervisory
     9        staff in the Operations Department and for Human Resource
    10        staff the fact that these young people under 18 had on
    11        these occasions during this, it is a fortnightly report,
    12        worked more than 96 hours which we consider to be
    13        unacceptable.
    14
    15   Q.   By this date, if your previous memorandum is correct ---
    16        A.  It was not illegal.
    17
    18   Q.   -- that was no longer illegal?
    19        A.  No, but we still felt it was unacceptable.
    20
    21   Q.   Do you know when this system of reporting or monitoring
    22        first began?
    23        A.  I am stabbing at the dark here.  I began the system,
    24        and I began it, I think, round about 1987/1988, somewhere
    25        around there.
    26
    27   Q.   Do you know why it is that, as it happens, we have in our
    28        files the summary sheets only for the last quarter of 1993?
    29        A.  The document runs to, ran to, in those days something
    30        like 90 pages.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, those documents upon which these
    33        summaries are based are items 23 to 30 inclusive of the
    34        Plaintiffs' Second Supplementary list of documents.  I do
    35        have them here.  They are two fat files.  Perhaps I should
    36        show the first one to Mr. Nicholson so that he can identify
    37        it?  I do not suppose your Lordship will have this in
    38        court.  I would like to pass mine up, if I may?  (Handed).
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:  Could I just clarify the situation?  I remember we
    41        asked Mr. Preston, the President, about these documents.
    42        Are they in the court file, I cannot remember, the ones
    43        that I asked about?
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  I have no idea.  I do not know what Mr. Morris is
    46        referring to, I am afraid.
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment and let me see.  Do
    49        I understand it correctly, Mr. Rampton, there are a number
    50        of things, a number of items, listed on your clients' 
    51        various list of documents, which have not actually gone 
    52        into the files which are behind me? 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  Yes.
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Among those documents is the ---
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  Summaries.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- document you have referred to here which

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