Day 288 - 28 Oct 96 - Page 34


     
     1   MS. STEEL:   For the last couple of weeks.  I mean, I object to
     2        the whole process, but particularly the last couple of
     3        weeks.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Why, I know but ----
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:   For the male ones, it is more than the last couple
     8        of weeks.
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Well, I appreciate from what you told me
    11        before that you -- I could see you were going to say that
    12        the males and females have a period when you say they are
    13        stocked too densely and then the males have a period later
    14        on when they are stocked too densely.  But you are saying
    15        that is for a couple of weeks, are you, rather than a few
    16        days?
    17
    18   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  Well, I mean, I say it is for their whole
    19        lives, but certainly, bearing in mind the fact that there
    20        is 10 days between when the female chickens are taken out
    21        and the males are on their own, there is 10 days then, then
    22        I mean, certainly the entire -- yes, over three weeks for
    23        the males.
    24
    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But, I mean, that is what you say.  I can see
    26        your point that for a period up until the females are
    27        taken, you say they are stocked very densely.  Then I had
    28        understood it that the females are taken out, the partition
    29        is taken out and so the males then have more room, but they
    30        are growing all the time over the next 10 days so that for
    31        a period towards the end of their lives you say they are
    32        too densely stocked.  I know you say the whole business of
    33        keeping them in these sheds is awful anyway, but are you
    34        really complaining about the stocking density save in the
    35        last few days to 42 days and then the last few days to 52
    36        days?
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:   Well, I don't know.  I mean, really my complaint is
    39        about the whole process, not just the end of it anyway.  So
    40        perhaps it does not really matter.
    41
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Dr. Gregory, I have not looked up.  He said
    43        he would prefer a stocking density which I think was about
    44        two-thirds of the present one.  I have forgotten the exact
    45        numbers now.
    46
    47   MS. STEEL:  I cannot remember.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Anyway, there we are.
    50 
    51   MS. STEEL:   There was a reference, Dr. Patteson did say that at 
    52        the end of the fifth week the average bird weighs about 1.6 
    53        kilograms, and that was on day 90, page 21, line 55.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Which day again?
    56
    57   MS. STEEL:   Day 90.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Which page?
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