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     1        them without going back to the figures which we want." What
     2        would you say about that situation?  Do you actually
     3        positively want the turnover figures, or are you just
     4        saying you are unhappy about accepting what the Plaintiffs
     5        have put forward?
     6
     7   MS. STEEL:   No.  I actually think they are a relevant issue,
     8        and I think that we should be provided with the
     9        information.  The leaflet talks about conditions and
    10        turnover in general, and the fact that there is high
    11        turnover meaning it is hard to unionise the stores.
    12        I think they are entirely relevant.  I do not think there
    13        is a huge amount of paper work involved.  I do not see any
    14        reason why they should not be disclosed.
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS:  Just one thing related to that whole area was that
    17        turnover does relate to training if, as the
    18        Plaintiffs -- it relates to the whole issue of training and
    19        the reasons for leaving are important.  No doubt, our
    20        witnesses will have things to say about the reasons for
    21        leaving and their views on why people leave.  There was a
    22        general point thrown up by Mr. Rampton about whether, who
    23        really cares about the turnover and the reasons for leaving
    24        anyway, and what conclusions can we draw?
    25
    26        I think the Plaintiffs have said, anyway, why does the
    27        turnover -- it does not relate to dissatisfaction.  The UK
    28        documents only show something like 20 per cent of people
    29        leaving to go back to college, which is their evidence.
    30        I know the documents said that, but their witness verified
    31        it, which means that 80 per cent are not going back to
    32        college.
    33
    34        Regarding Mr. Beavers, it seemed to us that Mr. Beavers had
    35        a great deal more experience in operations matters and
    36        running stores and being an area supervisor, and all the
    37        other things he had done, than Mr. Stein.  So I am much
    38        more inclined to believe Mr. Beavers than Mr. Stein.
    39
    40        The beef suppliers issue:  the document we have is 1995
    41        that we have just been given.  That is not what we asked
    42        for.  The documents that we have been given postdate 1988
    43        as regards the Civil Evidence Act notices on forms filled
    44        out by suppliers.
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The position is that I have ruled on that,
    47        and the question is whether they, the Plaintiffs, have done
    48        what I have ruled they should do ---
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  Yes. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- to an extent which leaves me satisfied on 
    53        the subject.
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  The list from the World Wildlife Fund
    56        correspondence list, there is absolutely no indication that
    57        they are a complete list of all suppliers.  In fact,
    58        effectively, they cannot be, because the evidence given in
    59        court by Mr. Beavers was something like there were 170 odd
    60        suppliers of patties at that time in the early to

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