Day 069 - 19 Dec 94 - Page 28


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  At least.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- I think -- again, I may be wrong --
     5        thousands of tonnes or pounds of beef were exported from
     6        Brazil to this country for McDonald's use under a
     7        particular arrangement.  I think that is probably a fair
     8        overall summary.
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    10   MR. MORRIS:  You did not know about that?
    11        A.  No, I did not know.
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    13   Q.   What I am saying is, when, before, you answered, "No, they
    14        do not export to McDonald's in any other countries" for
    15        various things -- I am now just asking about Brazil -- is
    16        it possible that they actually export to some suppliers of
    17        McDonald's in other countries?
    18        A.  It is possible.  Yes, it is possible.
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    20   Q.   I mean, do you know whether they do or they do not, or can
    21        you think of any countries where they do export to
    22        suppliers?
    23        A.  Argentina, they have exported finished products
    24        to McDonald's directly, finished products.
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    26   Q.   But non-finished products?
    27        A.  I know they have exported -- I do not know for
    28        McDonald's, but they export to the EC, some of the
    29        specially primary cuts that we do not use, so that they
    30        have that potential of exporting.  I will say that any of
    31        the meat from Braslo comes from the same area.  So if they
    32        export anything, even if it is not for McDonald's, it will
    33        follow the same policy about the rainforests.
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    35   Q.   Can you name any countries where you know that they have
    36        actually supplied deboned or frozen -- not final products,
    37        finished products -- meat to a supplier that supplies
    38        McDonald's?
    39        A.  I think the only one that I have heard is Switzerland.
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    41   Q.   Do you know what year that was, or which years, or is that
    42        ongoing?
    43        A.  I think it was during a visit that I had last year.
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    45   Q.   So that was not directly to McDonald's; that was to a
    46        supplier that supplies McDonald's?
    47        A.  That I do not know.  It has to be -- I do not know.  It
    48        will not go directly to a McDonald's; it has to be a
    49        supplier.  Whether it was that supplier associated or
    50        producing from McDonald's, that I cannot tell you. 
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    52   Q.   That was from Braslo, was it? 
    53        A.  That is correct.
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    55   Q.   But that was not finished products?
    56        A.  That is correct.
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    58   Q.   The same for Coope Montecillos; you said they have not
    59        supplied McDonald's direct?
    60        A.  That is correct, or our suppliers that produce for

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