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     1        bleeding rail they had to be reshot.
              A.  Yes.
     2
         Q.   You said you did not see either of the two pigs resume
     3        breathing before the shock was applied, but were you
              actually close enough to see that?
     4        A.  Yes, definitely.  I was splashed by the blood once
              they landed in the trough.
     5
         Q.   You go on to say you only felt able to say you thought
     6        neither of the pigs did regain consciousness.  You are not
              100 per cent certain about that?
     7        A.  That is correct.
 
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Precisely what stage did they fall off?  Had
              they been stuck at all?
     9        A.  These two pigs in question had not been stuck.
 
    10   MR. MORRIS:  Just to quickly go through some general things:
              In your conclusions on your report you said:  "The rearing
    11        system used for chickens by the McDonald's Restaurants
              Limited supplier is no more cruel than that used by its
    12        competitors in the United Kingdom".  So you feel, do you
              not, there are various degrees of cruelty involved in, for
    13        example, the chicken industry?
 
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, that is a bit like asking when
              Mr. Gregory stopped beating his wife,  because what he is
    15        commenting on is the defendants' allegations.  It cannot
              be thought that cruelty was a good word.
    16        A.  You have taken the words out of my mouth.
 
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Is that right?
              A.  Yes.  As I explained before, I am not prone to using
    18        the words "cruel" or "cruelty" in a professional
              capacity.  I was there considering the allegations,
    19        because the heading in this part, part 7, "Conclusions
              with regard to the allegations".
    20
         MR. MORRIS:  I will not go into detail, but when you mentioned
    21        the conditions relevant to welfare -- we went through them
              over the last three days -- virtually all the ones that
    22        were relevant to the welfare of the animals, were they not
              also relevant to, for example, the quality of the meat?
    23        For example, what I am saying is, as you went through over
              the last three days, did it strike you that the conditions
    24        that may have produced less bad conditions for the animals
              were also good from a hygiene or quality point of view or
    25        management point of view?
              A.  Since this is a general question, can I answer it in a 
    26        general way?  In general, there are some relationships 
              between the welfare of animals prior to and during 
    27        slaughter and the quality of the meat that is produced,
              yes, there are.  Many of those relationships are such that
    28        very poor welfare results in poor quality meat.
 
    29   Q.   Can you think ---?
              A.  So it is to the advantage in quite a few instances to
    30        avoid poor welfare.
 

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