Day 276 - 09 Jul 96 - Page 08


     
     1        A.  It could be.
     2
     3   Q.   It could be that it closed after that, yes?
     4        A.  It could be, yes.
     5
     6   Q.   The one at Santana Do Araguaia -- I am sure my
     7        pronunciation is not very good?
     8        A.  We had the very small Gurupian, we had Goiana, we
     9        certainly did not have one up there.
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where is that?
    12        A.  There is Gurupi and there is the one up there.
    13
    14   Q.   What name is that?
    15        A.  Well, it says Santana Do Araguaia.
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  I am just trying to find Santana Do Araguia.  Yes,
    18        there.
    19
    20   MS. STEEL:  The Goiana plant, you recall that as having been
    21        closed down after the Gurupi plant?
    22        A.  I think Gurupi closed before Goiana, yes.
    23
    24   Q.   Have you visited the various plants very often?
    25        A.  Not very often, no.
    26
    27   Q.   Right.  How many times do you think you have been there?
    28        A.  10 times.
    29
    30   Q.   Is that 10 times between them or 10 times each?
    31        A.  I wouldn't know, because I am under oath.  I honestly
    32        don't know how many times I have been there, I can't
    33        remember how many times I have been there.
    34
    35   Q.   I am just trying to -- how many times have you been to
    36        Brazil, for example?
    37        A.  I wouldn't know, many times.
    38
    39   Q.   Many times.  Right.  But you recall -- well, when you say
    40        ten times, do you mean ten times for Burratos and?
    41        A.  Yes.  Say, 10 times for Barretos and four or five times
    42        for Goiana, and Gurupi I think twice, but I am not
    43        absolutely certain, it could be three times, could be once.
    44
    45   Q.   Is it possible -- well, do you know for sure that you
    46        visited all the Anglo plants that there ever were in
    47        Brazil?
    48        A.  No, I do not.
    49
    50   Q.   So there could have been other ones because--
    51        A.  Yes.
    52
    53   Q.   Mr Chester does say that he visited that one?
    54        A.  Yes.
    55
    56   Q.   Right.  Thank you.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment, please?  So the ranches
    59        you have mentioned and told me where they were, they are
    60        owned by the family investment trust are they?

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