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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I have found it.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It does not say there was a meeting, but it
     5        says:  "Objectives were set in May and the Task Force was
     6        reformed in May."
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     8   MS. STEEL:   To me, it is an indication of a meeting, but also
     9        on the front there is reference to a previous minute of a
    10        previous meeting, being approved and signed by Jill Barnes,
    11        which would tally with a meeting in May, because I think
    12        they are held every three months.
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The previous meeting would be since May,
    15        because we have one on 12th August, have we not?
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    17   MS. STEEL:   No, because I am referring to the one on
    18        12th August.  On the front page, it says:  "The minutes of
    19        the previous meeting were approved and signed by
    20        Jill Barnes."  That is on the very first page of the whole
    21        of tab 57B.
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
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    25   MS. STEEL:  Also, in between the minutes of 13th February 1992
    26        and 7th December 1992, there are no minutes for any
    27        meetings between those dates.  I do not know whether we
    28        should just assume there were no meetings or whether the
    29        Plaintiffs should confirm that.  Obviously, if these had
    30        been disclosed before Ms. Barnes was in the witness box, we
    31        could have asked her that.
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    33   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship may remember that that was when
    34        Mrs. Barnes was on maternity leave.
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    36   MS. STEEL:   That was not picked up, what I said, so I will just
    37        say it again.  It does not necessarily mean that there were
    38        no meetings, the fact that Mrs. Barnes was on maternity
    39        leave.
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    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
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    43   MS. STEEL:  The main point about whether Mrs. Barnes should be
    44        recalled or not, we wanted to reserve our position on that
    45        until a decision was made about what further documents we
    46        are going to get, if any, and until after we have seen any
    47        further documents that are to be disclosed.  That includes
    48        the ones we applied for a couple of days ago.
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, carry on. 
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    52   MS. STEEL:  That was the hustle one and the response to the HSE 
    53        report.  Also, we just wanted to clarify something that we
    54        thought you said before, but we were not sure, in terms of
    55        being able to rely on what is in the minutes and in the
    56        documents if we do not recall Mrs. Barnes.
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    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What I was saying was that you may not have
    59        to have a witness to verify what is in a document which is
    60        clearly made by and on behalf of the Plaintiffs but, lest

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