Day 266 - 20 Jun 96 - Page 20


     
     1        salt at the table has quite a small effect but to reduce
     2        peoples's salt you would need to look at their whole diet
     3        and, you know, you would need to get the few manufacturers
     4        who are making the processed foods to get them to reduce
     5        the salt as well to make these changes in peoples' health.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, pause there please.
     8
     9   Q.   Yes?
    10        A.   So, to finish, as I was saying--
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:  I am sorry.  As it is five to one I will say
    13        something.  I am baffled why we are having this evidence
    14        about salt.  I am.  We have spent 20 minutes on it now.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am quite prepared to have ten minutes on it
    17        if it underlines a matter.  I know you have made an
    18        admission about it.  It is not, as far as I can see, going
    19        to go on very long, and let me hear it.
    20
    21   MS STEEL:  You were just about to finish?
    22        A.   Yes.  I was just going say, the type of diet that
    23        people would have to eat to have the sort of salt
    24        recommendations that are now being recommended you would
    25        have to eat a lot of fresh fruit and vegetables, cooked
    26        yourself.  You would have to eat pulses and grains.  Going
    27        back to the thinking about the cooking skills, in order to
    28        create that type of diet people would have to use those
    29        sort of fresh foods that the conclusions were saying there.
    30
    31   Q.   Right.  This might seem like an obvious question, but if
    32        those reductions in salt were made and people's salt intake
    33        was reduced is that expected to have any, or a, substantial
    34        effect on mortality an incidence of heart disease and
    35        stroke and -- sorry, and high blood pressure?
    36        A.   The evidence is that, yes, it would coupled with -- on
    37        its own it would make a substantial difference and couple
    38        with the other dietary recommendations I have talked about
    39        earlier you would have big differences in mortality from
    40        coronary heart disease, stroke and the cancers.
    41
    42   Q.   Right.  I just want to ask you now about the--
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   No.  Just pause a moment.  What are you
    45        going to ask about now?
    46
    47   MS. STEEL:  About the meaning.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  We will do that at 2 o'clock.
    50
    51   MR. RAMPTON:  Before your Lordship rises.  I am sorry, in view
    52        of what has happened in relation to salt I was not going to 
    53        ask any questions.  I was told yesterday that some
    54        reference might be made to it by Miss Brophy so this
    55        morning I obtained a scientific paper, which is the first I
    56        knew the defendant's witness was going deal with the
    57        question of salt, if it needed dealing with, which I did
    58        not think it did, but apparently I am wrong about that.
    59
    60             I have just obtained this morning a paper from the

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