Day 150 - 07 Jul 95 - Page 28
1 I not want to try to show the person how it is done; the
2 best way to do it is to physically show them how it is
3 done.
4
5 Q. I will leave this topic as soon as convenient for
6 everyone's benefit, but you have been doing that sort of
7 thing, have you, since you were a crew member up to today,
8 you say you are doing it now?
9 A. Maybe the best way to put it is, having seen that sort
10 of work practice and ethic exercised by the Manager in
11 Newcastle, that is one of the things that I think impressed
12 me, that it was not just a job where the Manager would tell
13 you to go away and do it. Nine times out of 10 the
14 Manager, him or herself, would be there with you showing
15 you how to do it maybe a couple of times and then you would
16 be left to do it on your own. But to suggest you go and
17 get someone to clean out the toilets as a punishment is, I
18 do not know, it sounds somewhat Dickensian, to be honest.
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20 Q. What about sending them out on environment/index.html">litter patrols as a
21 punishment?
22 A. In that case I must be also punishing myself because
23 I still do those now.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: That may be but what is being put to you is
26 that, whether you do them or not, they do not come high on
27 the choice list.
28 A. Sure.
29
30 Q. You are being asked whether you know of practices of
31 blackmailing people, as it were, to work longer than they
32 want to by the threat, express or implicit, that they will
33 get dirty jobs if they do not.
34 A. Well, that has not been my experience. If anything,
35 I would want to put out some good people. If they are
36 going to be out on the streets of a particular town
37 collecting rubbish under a public face, I would have
38 thought it would be in my interests to have some good
39 motivated individuals. That is hence why I was, sort
40 of, mentioning that I would do it myself as well.
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42 MR. ATKINSON: While we are on this, you say that you do these
43 environment/index.html">litter patrols yourself, is your experience that the environment/index.html">litter
44 patrol system works well in practice or not?
45 A. Yes, and it is a very flexible practice as well, so
46 that in terms of where that environment/index.html">litter patrol goes, it is --
47 there are some sort of guidelines, if you like or, in fact,
48 there is probably even legislation now in terms of 100
49 metres, or whatever, either side of a restaurant. But,
50 certainly, doing things that are beyond the normal -- there
51 is no sort of after 100 that is it. If you go down the
52 high street and you do find anything else. Then you pick
53 it up.
54
55 Q. Do people have their hours cut as a punishment?
56 A. No.
57
58 Q. Do people get given hours they do not want to do as a
59 punishment?
60 A. No. Once again, if all those practices took place,
