Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 49


     
     1        system?
     2        A.  Not familiar with it, no.  I knew it was there but
     3        I was not familiar with it.
     4
     5   Q.   You were not sure of the situation on the ground because
     6        you did not make so many visits?
     7        A.  I made a lot of visits.
     8
     9   Q.   But you did not check?
    10        A.  I did not really go into time cards.
    11
    12   Q.   So are the hours and the pay that the staff work on, the
    13        personnel as you would probably call it, work, they were
    14        not matters of much interest to you, really?
    15        A.  Yes, they were of interest.
    16
    17   Q.   But if they were of interest why did you not familiarise
    18        yourself -----
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Hold on a moment because I do not know how
    21        much there is to be familiar with.  1986, it may be
    22        different before 1986 and 1987, but was that when the swipe
    23        cards were brought in?
    24        A.  I think from what Mr. Rampton has just read out, the
    25        swipe cards came in in 1987, I think he said.
    26
    27   Q.   What it seems to me at the moment -- it may be completely
    28        wrong -- a system was brought in where they put swipe cards
    29        through and you have a computer programme ---
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   -- which will work out everything which they have to be
    33        paid?
    34        A.  Yes.
    35
    36   Q.   You can also press a couple buttons on your computer and it
    37        will give you a print out of what percentage of people work
    38        what hours and everything else?
    39        A.  That is what produces this return that we have been
    40        referring to.
    41
    42   Q.   Unless you are a computer programmer the means does it is
    43        probably an absolute mystery, thankfully, to virtually
    44        everyone.  But there may be a difference, might there not,
    45        Mr. Morris -- you cannot expect everyone to be a computer
    46        genius -- as long as it is produced in the print outs, that
    47        is all you need to know.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  (To the witness):  I was not referring to the
    50        mechanical systems but the actual monitoring of staff? 
    51        A.  Well, that is why I brought out this system so that 
    52        I could see at a glance what people were working around the 
    53        Company, as could all other senior operational people.
    54
    55   Q.   At that time it was illegal for under 18s to work more than
    56        48 hours, was it not?
    57        A.  That is why I have that highlighted page on the front
    58        of the document.
    59
    60   Q.   You failed to bring in a system that would actually

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