Day 155 - 14 Jul 95 - Page 50


     
     1        something like that anyway.  That was the whole point of
     2        the secondary padlock so that the individual could come up
     3        to me and I could go to the locker with them.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Magee says he did not know of any previous
     6        example of management enforcing this rule about getting
     7        access to people's lockers if they did not change their
     8        lockers, did not change on each shift, so does that
     9        correspond with what you say, that in reality you did not
    10        go around enforcing this rule?
    11        A.  No, the sign was up in the crew room and to be honest
    12        with you, I did not really need to enforce it that much.
    13
    14   Q.   Because you really left it up to the trust of the staff to
    15        comply with the policies as they understood them?  Yes.
    16        You did not track and monitor whether they were doing it
    17        every day you just said?
    18        A.  No.
    19
    20   Q.   So, in fact, people, quite logically, quite a lot of
    21        people, were probably, in effect, keeping the same locker
    22        each day?
    23        A.  They might well have been for a couple of days, or a
    24        week, or a day.  I had far more important things than to
    25        track each individual locker.
    26
    27   Q.   So if someone had broken into someone's locker, someone
    28        from management had done that, it would be an extreme
    29        circumstance?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   Q.   But management had the right to do that?  They had a right
    33        to get access to a locker if they considered that someone
    34        was disobeying your policy?
    35        A.  I would not call it a right.  It is just ----
    36
    37   Q.   They had the ability to that if someone was infringing
    38        policy?
    39        A.  In an extreme case, yes.
    40
    41   Q.   Did Mr. Magee -- I might as well put to you another point
    42        which is in Mr. Magee's statement.  For the record, it is
    43        on page 5 of his second statement.  You do not have to look
    44        at it --  challenge you about the theft of union leaflets
    45        from his locked locker by management and then was told by
    46        you, "Fuck off somewhere else"?
    47        A.  Not that I am aware of.
    48
    49   Q.   Did you ever say, "Fuck off somewhere else" to Mr. Magee or
    50        anyone else? 
    51        A.  No. 
    52 
    53   Q.   You said that you like to socialise with your employees,
    54        you have a good relationship?
    55        A.  Yes.
    56
    57   Q.   Relaxed with each other, went to pubs and football matches
    58        with some people or whatever.  Do you get on well with
    59        other officials and management grades at your level and
    60        above?  Do they chit-chat and socialise happily together

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