Day 097 - 06 Mar 95 - Page 77


     
     1        releases.
     2
     3   Q.   Then you do the other end before it all comes away free?
     4        A.  That is right, yes.
     5
     6   MR. RAMPTON:  There was one other thing.  I think it is only one
     7        other thing at the moment so far as I am concerned.  Can
     8        you take, please, I am sorry it is another of these files,
     9        it is pink IX.  It should be headed "Rearing and
    10        Slaughter".  Please turn to tab 3.  This should be a McKey
    11        document headed "McKey Food Service Meat Supply Order
    12        Form".  Is it?
    13        A.  Yes.
    14
    15   Q.   Is this a document which is supplied, whether blank like
    16        this or filled in, to you, the supplier?
    17        A.  It would be given to me or something like this would be
    18        given to me at the completion of an audit.
    19
    20   Q.   At the completion of the audit?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   They come round and fill this in and give you copy of their
    24        findings?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   How how often does it happen on one of these visits that
    28        they find things they do not like?  How fussy are they?
    29        A.  Oh, they are pretty fussy.  I think it is fair to say
    30        that, not necessarily McKey but quite often there are minor
    31        points which people would like to see improvements on when
    32        they carry out audits.
    33
    34   Q.   If you turn over the page, it should be your page 37 at the
    35        bottom of the page, there is a section on slaughterhouses.
    36        Do you see that?
    37        A.  Yes.
    38
    39   Q.   Lairage, the first point is that the unloading and handling
    40        of livestock should be carried out with the utmost regard
    41        to animal welfare -- "should be" or "is", I am not sure
    42        which it is.  Then it says, No. 2: "Use of goads
    43        prohibited".  This is a McKey audit form.  Mr. Walker tells
    44        us, for what it is worth, to you I mean, that that
    45        provision was inserted at the request of McDonald's.  What
    46        I ask you is this.  Have you seen that before?
    47        A.  I have not seen it on a specification before,
    48        McDonald's or McKey.
    49
    50   Q.   You have not seen it on a McKey specification? 
    51        A.  No. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Have you had any conversation with, for example, Mr. Peter
    54        Mitchell or anyone else from McKey about your use of goads
    55        as necessary?
    56        A.  Not that I can recall, no.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I take stock of that?  Does that mean you
    59        have not seen an audit form like this with it on?
    60        A.  I have seen an audit form like this with it on.

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