Day 239 - 23 Apr 96 - Page 34
1 things into type, but as many scientists working in the
2 Amazon have recorded and made much of, it is a very hard
3 thing to do in this particular case. But I do broadly
4 agree with what you are saying, yes.
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6 Q. Thank you. Now would you turn please if you can find it,
7 to your statement. It is called an addendum, but it is
8 actually a single sheet on its own. It is about what I am
9 afraid I mispronounced cerrado, but I am going to go on
10 doing it because it is in Portuguese. It is dated 29th
11 August, 1995. It is headed "addendum to George Monbiot"?
12 A. I have got it.
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14 Q. Would you please look at the third paragraph?
15 A. Yes.
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17 Q. Where you write: "One of the tragedies of cattle ranching
18 in the cerrado is that it has indiscriminately destroyed a
19 huge range of habitats. In clearing the land for ranching,
20 participants have made no distinction between vegetation
21 types. Individual ranches will take in land that was once
22 of savanna type", one type, "as well as land which could
23 accurately have been described as rainforest"?
24 A. Yes.
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26 Q. You yourself say there is a distinction, it would appear,
27 between savanna, rainforest and cerrado?
28 A. Between savanna and rainforest, certainly there is an
29 undeniable distinction. Those are two -- again, savanna
30 rather like rainforest, is a broad category into which all
31 sorts of things are lumped, but definitely savanna and
32 rainforest are distinct. But savanna, cerrado and
33 rainforest, no. Cerrado, it is like a sort of Venn diagram
34 and the cerrado would definitely be in the middle and there
35 would be bit of savanna and bits of rainforest in it. It
36 is a very broad, very huge area, the cerrado, and it
37 incorporates all sorts of different vegetation types.
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39 Q. It is just land with some trees and some grass?
40 A. The only accurate thing to call cerrado is cerrado
41 because it is a mixture of types, but within that are areas
42 which you can call rainforest, and rainforest according to
43 any of the definitions which you have given me. Also areas
44 which you could call savanna, areas which are called
45 grassland and areas which you can call thorn scrub. But
46 rainforest is a component of the Brazilian cerrado.
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48 Q. I am not disputing that you were not trying stands of
49 genuine or real, or actual or correctly described
50 rainforest within the cerrado. I am not suggesting that at
51 all. You said this morning when you were describing
52 different types of vegetation that you would find savanna
53 and what you described as "full closed canopy rainforest".
54 Those are your actual words. What do you mean by that?
55 A. That is something which I think it is, I would hope it
56 is a fairly self-evident phrase, closed canopy rainforest,
57 which is something that tends to cut out most of the light
58 which would reach the ground. It is a dense closed canopy
59 forest. I mean, I do not know if that term is unclear.
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