Day 258 - 07 Jun 96 - Page 43
1 along at the next meeting. Terry Carroll very possibly
2 could have been there, yes. I am pretty sure he was not
3 there the first time I met with Clare.
4
5 Q. Having thought about it, you have not remembered why it was
6 you were meeting Mr. Clare?
7 A. I think I have actually. I am pretty sure they asked
8 for me to meet Clare because he was concerned that in order
9 to protect his identity, and to be able to do a better job,
10 he would have to get more intimately involved with you.
11 I said no, and that effectively ended Bishops's
12 involvement. They then had a period of time in which they
13 could get Clare out of the organisation. I am pretty sure
14 that was the reason that brought them there, and I was
15 concerned that would place him in the position of being an
16 agent provocateur, and I said, no, I did not want him to
17 get any more deeply involved in the organisation.
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19 Q. That was what you meant by intimately involved?
20 A. Yes.
21
22 Q. Were you aware that one of your inquiry agent was having a
23 relationship with somebody in London Greenpeace?
24 A. No.
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26 Q. You were not told that?
27 A. No.
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29 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I am not concerned about that particular
30 question, but I am somewhat concerned that it is quite
31 evident that the Defendants are sitting on material which
32 may be relevant to the issues raised by their amended
33 defence which they have not disclosed. Your Lordship asked
34 Ms. Steel yesterday to come to court armed with a list of
35 bullet points. Now, clearly, from that question that is
36 one of Ms. Steel's bullet points. Clearly, she thought it
37 advantageous to keep it up her sleeve until she had a
38 chance to put it to Mr. Nicholson. That is not, with
39 respect, a proper way to conduct litigation. The original
40 promise was that additional statements on publication would
41 be prepared during the vacation so I did not press it
42 before the vacation. I had nothing last Tuesday, I raised
43 the matter again yesterday, and Ms. Steel was prompted --
44 I will not say ordered, prompted -- by your Lordship to
45 produce a list of bullet points overnight. She has not
46 done it.
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48 MS. STEEL: As I--
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50 MR. RAMPTON: I strenuously object to material being pulled out
51 of her back pocket for the purpose of cross-examination of
52 Mr. Nicholson when it is material of which Mr. Nicholson
53 ought to have had notice of but before he gave evidence.
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55 MS. STEEL: We were asked to compile a list over the course of
56 the day, which is what we are in the process of doing. If
57 Mr. Rampton wants to moan about the length of time it takes
58 then he should remember they still have not disclosed the
59 video we have been asking for before, not to mention
60 endless--
