Day 254 - 22 May 96 - Page 55


     
     1        A.  What you are talking about are recommendation to
     2        populations by organisations, such as The World Health
     3        Authority.  We have been over this ground before.  These
     4        are general recommendations trying to give sensible advice
     5        to populations about their lifestyle, in a sense, their
     6        diet, which is part of lifestyle.
     7
     8        What I am talking about are scientific research projects
     9        which have raised question marks in the medical and
    10        scientific world about the relevance of such matters as the
    11        amount of saturated fat in the diet.  They would not
    12        necessarily, therefore, appear in general recommendations
    13        which were being made by The World Health Organisation to
    14        populations throughout the world.
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know what the ECP/IUNS?  Is it the European
    17        Cancer Prevention something, is it?
    18        A.  I do know.  Where is this?
    19
    20   Q.   You have not got the book in front of you, but do you know
    21        what the ECP/IUNS is?
    22        A.  No.
    23
    24   Q.   Are you aware of a Special Workshop on Diet and Human
    25        Carcinogenesis (R Hue Stenmark(?) June 1985, which is
    26        reported in the World Health Organisation Report.  Does
    27        that ring any bells with you?
    28        A.  No.  What I have said in my previous evidence, and also
    29        I mention in my recent report, is that things have changed
    30        over the years.  You know, this is not a static field.
    31
    32   Q.   Yes?
    33        A.  Patient's and scientist's viewpoints about what is
    34        important, what is less important and so on, have been
    35        modified as time has gone on and you are talking about a
    36        conference which was held more than 11 years ago.
    37
    38   Q.   According to the World Health Organisation Report, on page
    39        184, I do not know if the judge has got page 184, there is
    40        a list of dietary recommendations to reduce cancer risk in
    41        industrialised countries.  It lists Canada, Europe, Japan
    42        and the United States of America.  The United States of
    43        America has consistently recommended less than 30 per cent
    44        of calories as fat from fat, yes?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   You accept that?
    48        A.  Yes.
    49
    50   Q.   Consistent in America, and Europe in 1986 coming from that 
    51        conference, which I referred to, which is mentioned on page 
    52        178 of the World Health Organisation pamphlet, also 
    53        recommends to have less than 30 per cent of calories
    54        derived from fat, but you do not know about that?
    55        A.  I am not arguing about these recommendations.  We have
    56        discussed this already.  What these recommendations are to
    57        populations of people, trying to give them sound, sensible
    58        advice.  We do not necessarily always have the absolute
    59        facts to our hands to say that A causes B, but where
    60        studies have suggested that there might be a relationship,

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