Day 096 - 03 Mar 95 - Page 60


     
     1   MS. STEEL:  Is that a similar shackling system?
     2        A.  Yes, that is the shackling system, but our shackles are
     3        different.  I would be satisfied with that.
     4
     5   MS. STEEL:   If you could pause.  The stunning method it showed
     6        where it stunned it across the neck and then went back a
     7        second time, is that what would happen at the Bowes'
     8        plant?  Is that what you were describing earlier?
     9        A.  No.  I was describing where my staff -- he let go of
    10        the pig totally.  We would not let go of the pig.  If we,
    11        I will call it mis-stunned if you wish, so we say we got it
    12        on the side of the neck, you just gently let it down and as
    13        it comes down the eye then drops to a horizontal position,
    14        so you have one part of the stunning tong here and another
    15        behind the ear, an absolutely correct stun, but it is
    16        actually stunned across the neck.  When one considers that
    17        is the method how most animals kill each other, pincing the
    18        neck.
    19
    20   MS. STEEL:   I think there is probably not anything else.
    21
    22              (The witness returned to the witness box).
    23
    24   MS. STEEL:  Could I have five minutes to check through my
    25        notes?
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
    28
    29                       (Short Adjournment).
    30
    31   MS. STEEL:  Can I just clarify something you said?  When you
    32        were giving evidence in-chief you said McKey's had three
    33        factories.  Do you mean the two that you supply?
    34        A.  We have supplied three of their factories.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you think where they are if you think
    37        there are three?
    38        A.  Yes.  There is one they recently bought or in the last
    39        year or so, a ham factory that belongs to McKey's.  I am
    40        quite sure, sir, I am fairly sure, I do not think that
    41        supplies anything to McDonald's, but we supply legs of pork
    42        to their third factory which is another operation of
    43        McKey's.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am just asking if you can say where they
    46        are geographically?
    47        A.  Yes, Scunthorpe and Milton Keynes.
    48
    49   Q.   That is two?
    50        A.  There are two in Scunthorpe, I being your pardon. 
    51 
    52   Q.   I am not saying you are not right, but we have only heard 
    53        of Milton Keynes and Scunthorpe.  There we are.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:   Each factory sends two people twice a year to visit
    56        you?
    57        A.  Yes.  Well, not necessarily.  I said at least twice if
    58        I recall.  All right.
    59
    60   Q.   They come twice a year.  You said tail docking is left to

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