Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 47


     
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     2   MR. MORRIS:  She said that on 28th September at an OSAID meeting
     3        at school she asked you for her card back?
     4        A.  No, she did not.
     5
     6   Q.   Did she ever ask you for her card back?
     7        A.  No.
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     9   Q.   What actually happened about this asking for cards back?
    10        A number of the witnesses (if not all of them) for the
    11        Plaintiffs -- they have got 20 witnesses who made
    12        statements, the ones they made at the Labour Board -- many
    13        of them have said that they were promised their cards back
    14        and they demanded their cards back but did not get them.
    15        Can you just explain -----
    16        A.  They were never promised their cards back.  One of the
    17        arguments McDonald's and Ballantyne's lawyers made at the
    18        first day of the Labour Board was that under 18-year-olds
    19        should not be allowed to sign the cards, and then they went
    20        and they said under 18-year-olds can ask for the cards
    21        back, but 18-year-olds and over cannot.  But that was
    22        thrown out.
    23
    24   Q.   Thrown out by who?
    25        A.  The chair person of the Labour Board, that under
    26        18-year-olds were not allowed to sign cards.  I believe
    27        that was probably where they got that argument from.
    28
    29   Q.   So is it any -----
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    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If someone signs a cards and then, for
    32        whatever reason, changed their mind, why should they not
    33        have their card back or ask to have their card torn up?
    34        A.  That did happen in one incident with Trevor Denys,
    35        where he signed a card and he came to my house and he said,
    36        "Listen, I want my card back", and I said to him, I
    37        said, "I cannot give you your card back, but I can rip it
    38        up for you in front of you"; and I did.
    39
    40        But once they are out of my hands -- because what was
    41        happening is, I was gathering cards and then I would give
    42        them to Rui Amorim, and then he had to deal with them.
    43        Once they were out of my hands, I could not get them back
    44        for them or tear them up for them, you know.
    45
    46        But Sabina never asked me for her card back or for it to be
    47        torn up.  Michelle Wetli did, and I referred her to Rui
    48        because I did not have her card.
    49
    50   MR. MORRIS:  Do you remember a conversation with, or did you 
    51        have a conversation with Sabina on a break at school, where 
    52        you asked her how could she leave you to hang and dry, 
    53        something like that?  Do you remember anything about the
    54        conversation?
    55        A.  No.
    56
    57   Q.   Did you say that?
    58        A.  What?
    59
    60   Q.   She asked for her card back, apparently, she says, and then

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