Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 06
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2 Q. They did not use it in the proceedings, did they?
3 A. I do not know. I was not present at the proceedings.
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5 Q. I am now going to go through with you, if I may, some of
6 the things which I would suggest you said to people when
7 you recruited them, when you got them to sign cards; and
8 I am going to give you the names and then I am going to
9 suggest to you what form the conversation took; and where
10 I can, I will give you a date. Do you remember recruiting
11 Lee Wilson?
12 A. I believe her name is Leah Wilson.
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14 Q. Sorry. That is a girl, is it?
15 A. Yes.
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17 Q. Do you remember that it was about 8 o'clock in the evening
18 in late August?
19 A. Yes.
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21 Q. Do you remember that you told her that she would have
22 guaranteed job security and a wage increase every year?
23 A. No. I guaranteed her job security and I told her that
24 we would be able to negotiate wages at the store.
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26 Q. Do you remember saying to her that if she was a member of
27 the union she would be able to tell off the managers when
28 she wanted?
29 A. No, I did not say that.
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31 Q. Do you remember she said that she wanted to talk it over
32 with her parents?
33 A. No, I do not remember, but she may have.
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35 Q. You do not, therefore, remember replying: "That is not
36 necessary. Go ahead" -----
37 A. No. Whenever anyone asked me if -- because I told
38 them, I said, whenever I signed someone up, that, you know,
39 I wanted this a secret. Some of them did ask me if they
40 could speak to the parents. "That is fine, speak to your
41 parents, whatever, but what cannot happen is to have people
42 talking about the union at work" -- because, obviously, we
43 did not want management to find out right then and there.
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45 Q. Do you remember recruiting Sean Heggie?
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Rampton, if a point is going to be taken
48 on this under 18 argument, one way or the other, I think it
49 would help me to know how old the various people mentioned
50 are, because there might be a very considerable difference
51 in my mind between a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old, for
52 instance.
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54 MR. RAMPTON: I quite agree. But, my Lord, I cannot give you
55 your Lordship -----
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It may be that a witness will know.
58 Otherwise, I just have to ask at the end, myself.
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60 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I will ask for each one, if the witness
