Day 251 - 17 May 96 - Page 23


     
     1        would be coming out of the dense forest.
     2
     3   MS. STEEL:   Your Honour, it is just that it did not come out on
     4        the transcript and we did not catch what she said either.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It is just Mr. Morris had her going into it
     7        there from the road in the other direction.
     8
     9   MR. MORRIS:  To Jucara.  Okay, so the areas that Mr. Rampton
    10        identified as being current suppliers of McDonald's beef
    11        through Mr. Morganti of Braslo included Crixas on the
    12        eastern side of the Araguaia River, on the tributaries Novo
    13        Mundo, Samma Delta(?), Araguaia, would that be within that
    14        area you have described as originally humid dense humid
    15        tropical forest?
    16        A.  Yes.
    17
    18   Q.   What about the BR153, would that be within what would have
    19        been previously dense humid tropical forest or would that
    20        be the eastern-most kind of, like, extent of it, or what?
    21        A.  I am not sure, I cannot actually remember travelling.
    22        I can remember travelling from Goiania to Cuiaba quite
    23        well, and I can remember travelling up the Araguaia River.
    24        I must have actually travelled, come to think of it, I must
    25        have travelled from Goiania up to Maraba, up that road.
    26        Yes, I remember.  I certainly remember looking at it, yes,
    27        going up Parai to Cantesmara(?), say.  I certainly remember
    28        what is now to canteens which, when I was going there
    29        first, was still Goias.  I still remember that as being
    30        tropical forest.  I cannot quite remember how cleared it
    31        was further down in the south.  Porangatu, I remember going
    32        to Porangatu.
    33
    34   Q.   So as far as Mara Rosa and Porangatu are concerned, those
    35        particular places you do not recall very well?
    36        A.  I can remember Grupi, which is further north.  I can
    37        remember staying in Grupi.
    38
    39   Q.   Porangatu, can you remember what vegetation that was?
    40        A.  All this region was areas of, around Porangatu
    41        certainly was an area of tropical forest with some savannah
    42        but a lot of tropical forest there.  But I cannot quite
    43        remember the area from Goiania up to there.  I cannot
    44        remember now how cleared that was, but I certainly remember
    45        going on from Porangatu north.
    46
    47   Q.   So Porangatu would have been tropical humid forest?
    48        A.  Yes.
    49
    50   Q.   Was that the case and what time was it cleared as far as 
    51        you can recall? 
    52        A.  Which area are you talking about? 
    53
    54   Q.   Porangatu?
    55        A.  Well, I went up that road again when the road was first
    56        being opened up.
    57
    58   Q.   You have to face us, please?
    59        A.  Sorry, yes.
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