Day 165 - 27 Sep 95 - Page 45
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I made it 18 days the ones we have got and
3 you have two more.
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5 MS. STEEL: I might have added them up wrong, but I did make it
6 more than 20 days.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do think it is important that we fix
9 Mr. Cesca for a day and then say that is when he will start
10 whatever else. We have 18th and 19th, two days the
11 following week, that is four days; five days the following
12 week, that is nine; two days the following week, that is
13 eleven; five days the following week, that is 16. If you
14 took 20 days that would be up to Thursday 23rd, but I am
15 contemplating that you may very well want to say, "We
16 cannot get such and such an employment witness until
17 later".
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19 MS. STEEL: Yes. The point I was making was that was only
20 examination-in-chief; those estimates were only examination
21 in-chief.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But the cross-examination may not be very
24 long. If all you have to do is lose two or three of your
25 one-day witnesses who cannot come until later ----
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27 MS. STEEL: I would have thought that even if cross-examination
28 does not take very long it would come to more than just a
29 couple of days.
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31 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Rampton did say in a letter or the Plaintiffs
32 said that they expect -- I think there were a number of
33 witnesses where it would take about half a day and the rest
34 would take two hours or less. That is what they said. So
35 we would have to allow something like, I do not know, seven
36 or eight days.
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: How long is it estimated Mr. Cesca will take?
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40 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, what I have asked him to do, as I have
41 with other American witnesses of any substance, is to come
42 for a week because it is not safe to expect that there will
43 be a concise cross-examination I am afraid. Therefore, one
44 must allow for him having the week of 6th November. As
45 I say, I would earnestly ask your Lordship to say he should
46 come at a particular time if he can and at no other time.
47 I will repeat that I absolutely do not credit Mr. Morris'
48 estimates for examination-in-chief. If the reason why he
49 has given, for example, Mr. Duncan and Mr. Bowland and
50 Mr. Jensen a day when, in my opinion, they should not take
51 more than an hour at the most in-chief, if the reason for
52 that is they are going to say a whole lot more than is in
53 their statements then, of course, quite different
54 considerations arise and it may be that if we are not
55 careful we shall land in another Hovi situation.
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57 MS. STEEL: I think particularly with, for example, Mr. Jensen
58 it should be borne in mind that there will be translation
59 needed to be done.
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