Day 128 - 24 May 95 - Page 12
1 into. We get very, very few electric shocks at the
2 restaurants. I really cannot comment any further on that.
3
4 Q. Do you really know how many electric shocks people get in
5 the restaurants?
6 A. We have a reporting system for electric shocks, whether
7 they are reportable or not. My people use that information
8 to follow up with the regional facilities engineers, to
9 identify if there is any particular equipment that perhaps
10 we need to look at the design of.
11
12 Q. But there is a memo in the documents -- I cannot remember
13 who it is -- someone in senior management is complaining
14 that he is not being notified of electric shocks that are
15 occurring?
16 A. That was from Frank Frost who is one of the equipment
17 people, the facilities engineer for the North. That was
18 certainly near the beginning of the time that we set up the
19 monitoring system, and there was some concern that he was
20 getting told about all of the shocks.
21
22 Q. But that might be the case now too, where if people only
23 get a minor shock they think: "Oh, it is not worth
24 reporting"?
25 A. The problem with any monitoring and measurement system
26 is it is only as good as it is followed. I am sure there
27 is probably not one single system that we have that is 100
28 per cent adhered to, because, again, people are involved
29 and none of us is perfect.
30
31 Q. The crew have to do a health and safety class within three
32 weeks of starting, do they not?
33 A. The initial orientation they do before they start, is
34 my understanding of it.
35
36 Q. It is the law that they have to do that?
37 A. It is a legal requirement that we provide our employees
38 with ---
39
40 Q. With health and safety?
41 A. -- and health and safety training.
42
43 Q. Right, within the first few weeks?
44 A. I do not think it actually says that. It just requires
45 us to provide them with the information, instruction and
46 supervision to enable them to carry out their job safely.
47 It is left to the employer to decide how to do that.
48
49 Q. If you get volume pink XII, please? Turn to document 11,
50 Crew Training Programme. Page 416, the Fire, Health and
51 Safety class starts there. I do not know if you are
52 familiar with this?
53 A. Yes, although this particular class was updated quite a
54 long time ago and this is the older copy.
55
56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you help us in any way as to the date of
57 this document? It is listed as undated and I do not recall
58 whether we have actually had an indication of what its date
59 may be.
60 A. It is certainly one I am familiar with, but just
