Day 089 - 15 Feb 95 - Page 79
1 prepared to start your cross-examination in the morning.
2 You have probably got quite enough to be getting on with on
3 the animal welfare side before we reach hygiene, that is,
4 food poisoning as we have called it so far.
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6 MR. MORRIS: Dr. Pattison did say that the monthly summaries
7 included the inspections of the stunning so that would
8 include that side of it as well.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL (To the witness): So would those be documents
11 for McDonald's?
12 A. No. The documents, no, those sort of documents relate
13 to the processing factory. They are daily checks that are
14 carried out there, and we certainly do not keep those for
15 any length of time.
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17 Q. What sort of length of time?
18 A. Probably no more than two or three weeks, I should
19 think, because there are thousands of pieces of paper
20 relating to those sort of checks. The ones that we do keep
21 and summarise are the finished product testing results,
22 microbiological checks.
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24 Q. That is nothing to do with stunning; that is the
25 microbiology?
26 A. That is nothing to do with stunning, and we would not
27 have the historical records of things like stunning.
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29 MR. MORRIS (To the witness): I might have misunderstood then, I
30 think. It is the 20 pages, some of those pages would
31 include what you called inspections and stun.
32 A. They would include all our quality assurance checks.
33 What I am saying is that those are not kept, some of them
34 are not kept for any length of time.
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36 Q. But, say, for example, that Monday's documents, 20 pages
37 were available, then some of these would include the
38 stunning procedure checks and things like that as well as
39 the finished product?
40 A. They might do.
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42 Q. That is what you said.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you have a in mind a particular -- I do
45 not want you to embark on your cross-examination now ---
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47 MR. MORRIS: No, no, that is just what he said before.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- do you have a particular document which
50 would record stunning times in mind? I mean, if you wanted
51 to check how effective stunning had been over the last
52 fortnight, is there a file you could go to and look and you
53 would find timings there?
54 A. It might be possible to do that. The HACCP system
55 which we have already disclosed that we have for doing all
56 the quality assurance checks in the slaughter plant, the
57 checks on the stunner are quite clearly laid out in that
58 HACCP system and that is just simply used as our daily
59 check list.
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