Day 306 - 26 Nov 96 - Page 14
1 "There is nothing in your notes about it, so do you know
2 how it got into the statements?" Answer, "As I previously
3 said, the statement was compiled for me."
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5 Then at line 29, page 30, "To the best of my recollection
6 the smaller leaflet was on the shelves and the larger
7 leaflet or the longer version was in the metal filing
8 cabinet, to the best of my memory." So here we have
9 confusion again between the reality, the notes, the reports
10 and the statements, and up to evidence-in-chief, and it is
11 only under cross-examination that the lack of evidence or
12 the incorrect evidence comes out.
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14 Sorry, on page 14, line 33, I said, "Did you ever, nobody
15 ever said that it was going to be reprinted the longer
16 version of the leaflet". Answer, "I did not hear anyone
17 say that." Then he says that the longer versions of
18 leaflets were sometimes out of stock and other times there
19 were quantities. Then he says, line 43, page 14, "In the
20 filing cabinet or on the shelf or on the table." And, as
21 we know, the filing cabinet would have contained reference
22 copies, and that is not for distribution. So, really, even
23 if sometimes there were longer versions of the leaflet
24 which may have been Veggies, or likely to have been Veggies
25 ones as from March onwards, whenever it went out of stock,
26 as Mr. Bishop says, then, indeed, only even the Veggies
27 fact sheets may have been kept in the filing cabinet for
28 all his evidence can reveal.
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30 Again, we say that McDonald's must have a positive burden
31 of proof on all these matters. Not just, 'it may have been
32 this', 'it may have been that'.
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34 Then on page 16, talking about line 24, "Individuals
35 obviously had an interest in a particular field" -- this is
36 in terms of who was involved with different activities.
37 Then line 41 to 53, "A particular person might be
38 particularly concerned about one of those items on the
39 agenda? Answer, "Oh, yes." Question, "And be known as
40 the person who would be concerned about that matter?"
41 Answer, "Yes." Question, "And more likely to organise
42 things about that?" Answer, "Yes, indeed, yes." Question,
43 "The meetings were very informal in that way?"
44 I emphasise 'in that way'. Answer, "Very informal."
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46 The point we are making there is that there was no
47 delegation or representation involved even in terms of
48 Mr. Gravett, for example, who was clearly the person most
49 concerned about the anti-McDonald's matters. The evidence
50 of Mr. Bishop is that those people that were doing those
51 things were not people that were delegated, elected or
52 representative, but that they were just the people who were
53 more likely to do those things in that kind of very
54 informal way, and, as we heard, we said before, about
55 Mr. Gravett being criticised when he claimed to represent
56 other people in the group on anti-McDonald's matters. That
57 is the end of Mr. Bishop.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We will break off there. If I were to adhere
60 strictly to the timing which I laid down, that would be it
