Day 276 - 09 Jul 96 - Page 09


     
     1        A.  Yes.
     2
     3   Q.   But the Anglo plants would take beef not just from those
     4        ranches, but from other suppliers as well would they, or
     5        not?
     6        A.  Yes, my Lord, yes.
     7
     8   Q.   By other suppliers, I mean other suppliers which were not
     9        within the family companies?
    10        A.  Other ranches, yes.
    11
    12   Q.   Ranches of complete strangers?
    13        A.  Absolutely, yes.
    14
    15   MS. STEEL:  That would apply to all the plants that the Vestey
    16        company owned in Brazil, yes?
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   You have read the testimony of David Walker.  I am not
    20        expecting you to remember it word perfect or anything, but
    21        do you recall that he said that he thought that Braslo was
    22        buying meat from Anglo in the early 1980's?
    23        A.  Yes.
    24
    25   Q.   Is that correct?
    26        A.  I don't know.
    27
    28   Q.   You don't know?
    29        A.  No.
    30
    31   Q.   Is that because you do not remember or would you just not
    32        have known because it would not be in your field or
    33        whatever you--
    34        A.  Well, I mean, a lot of things go on in a big company
    35        that you do not know about if you are sitting in London.
    36
    37   Q.   Okay.  And you were based in London the vast majority of
    38        the time?
    39        A.  I was based in London.
    40
    41   Q.   So you would be largely relying on what you were told by
    42        your employees?
    43        A.  In what way?
    44
    45   Q.   In your knowledge of what was going on?
    46        A.  Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   With the company?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50
    51   Q.   Right.
    52
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just check an answer you made earlier?
    54        You were asked did you recall -- just pause, I am afraid my
    55        screen, it keeps going up as if it wants to get back to the
    56        beginning of the trial.
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  If your Lordship says -- have you found it,
    59        because I can probably find it?
    60

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