Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 37


     
     1        tenth of that', or anything like that.
     2
     3   MR JUSTICE BELL:  No, what did say is you do not multiply by the
     4        number of years in the cycle.
     5
     6   MR. MORRIS:   No, but that is partly because he was getting
     7        confused about the way the calculations had been made.  He
     8        had been encouraged to do the calculations in a certain
     9        way, as we all had, and it was very difficult to look at
    10        them in a fresh way, from a different angle; and that is
    11        why everyone was getting confused, because they were trying
    12        to fit the quart into the pint pot and it was not going.
    13        (Pause)  You see, at the top of page -----
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   You see, what he said at line 41 on page 45
    16         -- I had completely forgotten -- is really what I was
    17        trying to say half an hour ago, is it not?
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:   You see, if you look at the top of page 45, he
    20        says that in 100 years, so to speak, of operations on that
    21        line, we need 100 times that 1.42, which is 142 hectares
    22        or, in fact, square miles, and then he says, "Yes", you
    23        see.  So, the next question: "I am talking about area
    24        forest cover needed to provide that 1.42 square miles."
    25        Answer:  "Yes."
    26
    27   MR JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  But I do not think he is actually
    28        accepting -- I do not think he realised there what you were
    29        trying to put to him.  When you did actually put it to him,
    30        at the foot of the page, he said "no".
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:   But he did not say, "No, it is not true"; what he
    33        said is that it is not -- what I believe he is saying --
    34        you cannot strictly say it must be 100 times this or it
    35        must be 80 times this; but he has accepted, at the top of
    36        the page there, the basic principle, and that is -----
    37
    38   MR JUSTICE BELL:  Well, I hear what you say.  Anyway,
    39        I understand your point, and I have to consider what
    40        I think he was saying.
    41
    42   MR. MORRIS:   You see, what he is saying at the bottom of
    43        page 44: "If one is being totally fair" -- i.e., something
    44        he had been discouraged from doing by McDonald's, because
    45        they had asked him to do something in a different way --
    46        "one is taking a very large area of forest."  So, what he
    47        is saying is, the reality is that you do need a very large
    48        area of forest to be able to take out continuously, you
    49        know -----
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   What I wrote in the margin of my notebook 
    52        about half an hour ago:  this is really about what the 
    53        leaflet means -- because if the leaflet is referring to the
    54        area of sustainable forest which you require, then I can
    55        see that -- and you want to do it in the best possible
    56        ecological way -- it might be a very considerable area.
    57        If, on the other hand, what the leaflet means is that that
    58        is the area chopped down each year -- and this is what
    59        I have to decide -- it certainly has not been proved that
    60        you need anything like the 800 square miles referred to the

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