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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, Mr. Morris?
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4 MR. MORRIS: On page 5, as far as I can find it, of
5 Mr. Gregory's evidence on day 20 which was 28th July at the
6 bottom there was a reference to the codes of practice for
7 the Welfare of Poultry at Slaughter from MAFF: "Faults
8 leading to birds receiving prestun shocks are unacceptable
9 and must be corrected". Over the page -- to be honest,
10 I mean, sometimes this does not necessarily occur in one
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, but what you do then is pick a sentence
14 which you think is important, make sure that it is a fair
15 representation of his evidence and put that to Mr. Oakley.
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17 MR. MORRIS: Page 7, line 21, talking about prestun shots. "It
18 unpleasant?" "Yes". Line 24: "You consider it painful?"
19 "Yes". "It is something that would cause stress?" on page
20 8, line 2. "Oh, yes, it is alarming, very alarming".
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Your question was that you said:
23 "Dr. Gregory, so far as I recall, said: 'Stunning and
24 killing methods at Sun Valley did not comply with the
25 government codes of practice, and might lead to distress
26 and pain to the birds'."
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28 MR. MORRIS: Helen is going to look for it while we carry on.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You see, put like that it might be thought
31 you were putting to Mr. Oakley that stunning and killing
32 methods at Sun Valley generally did not comply with the
33 government's codes of practice. If that is so, you ought
34 to find just what Mr. Gregory said. Anyway, we will have
35 to look at Dr. Gregory's evidence in due course as to just
36 what it said. Mr. Oakley, for better or worse, has said
37 that if there were, in effect, more than the occasional or
38 isolated breach of proper procedures ----
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40 MR. MORRIS: Let me just maybe go over some old ground.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Try not to go over old ground. Try to go
43 over some new ground with the witness.
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45 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Gregory said (and it can be challenged, no
46 doubt, at the end of the case, whatever) that of the birds
47 he had studied 44 per cent of the chickens had leg
48 abnormalities, yes? I put it to you, Mr. Oakley, that if
49 chickens are forced to live (and we can argue about
50 Dr. Gregory's evidence) to within an A4 sheet size of
51 paper, and in battery cages in five to a cage and wire
52 their feet on wire mesh, and in the broiler sheds 44 per
53 cent chickens had leg abnormalities, and that young chicks
54 were dumped into dustbin sized containers and gassed if
55 they were rejected by the company; during transportation to
56 the slaughterhouse many have received bruises and broken
57 bones, some dying us a result; up to 14 per cent of the
58 chickens received prestun shocks, if it is shown, that is
59 the evidence of your expert witness, you do not care about
60 animal welfare at all do you? You have not got the
