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     1        yes ---
     2        A.  Yes.
     3
     4   Q.   -- if detected?   So, is that basically because its
     5        presence in any amount constitutes a risk?
     6        A.  A potential risk in ready to eat foods.
     7
     8   Q.   Yes.  It becomes a serious risk if the food is uncooked?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   I think we have had the Microbiological Guidelines from
    12        McKey's, if someone could help me where that was?
    13
    14   MR. RAMPTON:  It is tab 3 of volume pink VIII.
    15
    16   MR. MORRIS:  Tab 3 of that volume ---
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   -- I believe.  This is the McKey Microbiological
    20        Guidelines?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   They have got salmonella down on their list as an organism
    24        which they require complete absence of at that stage, yes,
    25        at the process stage?
    26        A.  Yes.
    27
    28   Q.   Is that the way, the responsible way, to treat the
    29        salmonella problem, to actually eliminate it at the process
    30        stage or to ensure that it is not there at the process
    31        stage?
    32        A.  Well, if that is possible.  The earlier you get rid of
    33        it, the better, but we are talking about cattle and pigs
    34        here rather than chickens.
    35
    36   Q.   Yes, but in terms of we are talking about human health and
    37        here we are talking about cattle and pigs, yes?
    38        A.  Yes.
    39
    40   Q.   Is this the responsible way to prevent later risk for human
    41        health by trying to eliminate it at this stage?
    42        A.  Eradicate it at all stages, yes.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let me just ask, Mr. Morris:  Was there some
    45        reason for distinguishing between cattle and pigs rather
    46        than chickens?
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:  Absolutely because then -----
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let him give the evidence then.  You see, his 
    51        answer to your question was:  "In terms, we are talking 
    52        about human health and here we are talking about" -- he 
    53        said:  "We are talking about cattle and pigs here rather
    54        than chickens".
    55
    56   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  By all means you ask him why the distinction
    59        is important, but it has not been spelt out.
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