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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: He gave -- was it quite as simple as that --
3 evidence that the environment/index.html">litter was not changed, but he also gave
4 evidence about the depth of the environment/index.html">litter and its ability to
5 cope with or otherwise to cope with the droppings, did he
6 not?
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8 MS. STEEL: The point is that they remained there; they were not
9 cleaned out.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I appreciate that, but if they drop into a
12 deep bed of environment/index.html">litter it may or may not be clean. It does not
13 follow that because there are droppings in the environment/index.html">litter that
14 it is not clean. I mean, you may well when you refer me to
15 the evidence say (and I may accept) that is the end result
16 of it, but it is not just a clear-cut question of it not
17 being clean because the environment/index.html">litter is not changed, is it?
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19 MS. STEEL: I cannot remember the exact figures, but I recall
20 him saying something in that part of his evidence that at
21 the end, by the time the sheds are cleaned out, the environment/index.html">litter
22 was composed of something like about 80 or 90 per cent
23 faeces.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It may be. But I do not think you are
26 obliged to put the detail of it to the witness but, unless
27 you do so, he can hardly comment, can he? I mean, the
28 witness needs to be reminded of just what was said if he is
29 to comment. It is not an invitation to do that because you
30 can refer me to it in due course and comment on it then.
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32 MS. STEEL: If it is the case that by the time the broiler sheds
33 are cleared of the chickens for slaughter, the vast
34 majority of the environment/index.html">litter on the floor is composed of their
35 droppings, would you accept that that is not what most
36 people would consider to be clean?
37 A. I think Sun Valley consider that it is clean because if
38 they did not they may well have a major disease problem in
39 their chicken grow out houses, and I am sure they would
40 change that if that were the situation. So, I think they
41 would consider that to be clean, yes.
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43 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, your Lordship's point is, if I may so
44 with respect, a very good one. I am looking at day 19.
45 I start at the bottom of page 7. I have not finished
46 reading yet, but the evidence of Dr. Gregory certainly does
47 not support the question which Ms. Steel has put. She
48 should not try to suggest that the evidence of Dr. Gregory
49 supported her proposition unless she is willing to let the
50 witness read the evidence.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Ms. Steel, might I suggest that this is a
53 matter which you can take up later because I am obviously
54 going to have to be asked to consider the evidence of
55 Dr. Gregory and draw my own conclusions from it. What the
56 witness has said is that he does not think that Sun Valley
57 can consider it unclean otherwise they would be taking an
58 unjustified risk with disease. That may be right, that may
59 be wrong, but can you actually ask him any more about it?
60 That is his answer to that question.
