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     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  November 1992?
     2        A.  Yes, that is correct.
     3
     4   MR. RAMPTON:  Two years ago or a bit more.  Can I take another
     5        Eastern European country, ex-Comecon country, is at tab I,
     6        which is Czechoslovakia.  I think I am right, am I not, if
     7        you look at the fax header sheet?  It is McDonald's
     8        Czekoslovensko, somebody called Jaroslav Musil?
     9        A.  Yes.
    10
    11   Q.   If you look over the page, they seem to be doing rather
    12        better than the Hungarians or the Russians at this date.
    13        Do you see that?  I cannot read the first question but all
    14        the questions are yes's, I think I am right, apart from the
    15        question about religious slaughter?
    16        A.  Yes.
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  It is something "exported to
    19        (country)".
    20
    21   MR. RAMPTON:  "Product exported to", if I look at an earlier
    22        one, is what it seems to say.  The answer to that is no,
    23        they do not export beef.  But all the other questions have
    24        a "yes" answer.  Can you read the word which is written
    25        against the question "stunning practice"?  It begins with a
    26        "B" but I am not going to try to do the rest of it; it
    27        might be "bolt" but I am not going to say that it is.
    28        A.  I think it would be "bolt", "captive bolt", yes.
    29
    30   Q.   Can you turn back again?  What I would like to do, if
    31        I may, is in a sense a short tour of the world.  Turn back
    32        to tab D.  We have gone from Eastern Europe to Asia, which
    33        is Malaysia.  The second page is about beef slaughter.  You
    34        will see it says in the second entry that they get their
    35        beef from Australia, do you see that?
    36        A.  Yes, I do.
    37
    38   Q.   Yes.  They say "yes", "yes".  "Gates, fences, chutes have
    39        smooth surfaces?"  And they say "sometimes".  Can you tell
    40        me whether you know whether the Malaysians are talking
    41        about beef which has been transported live from Australia
    42        or whether they are describing what goes on in Australia?
    43        A.  I think personally I have seen both facilities in
    44        Malaysia as well as Australia.
    45
    46   Q.   Sorry, you have seen?
    47        A.  I have seen both facilities in Malaysia as well as
    48        Australia.  I would say that they are referring to the
    49        current conditions in Malaysia, because in Australia they
    50        are world class and they do comply with this animal welfare 
    51        practices. 
    52 
    53   Q.   Could you turn over the page and you will see a statement
    54        to that effect at the bottom of the page, it says -----
    55
    56   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just pursue that because does that mean
    57        the cattle are actually transported live from Australia to
    58        Malaysia?
    59        A.  Sorry, I did not address that.  No, we do not move any
    60        product any live cattle from Australia.  It is only beef in

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