Day 034 - 11 Oct 94 - Page 59
1 Q. Dr. Barnard, on one view, of course, what you have
2 described is entirely right, but the fact is if you look
3 at the book -- I confess I have read not all but most of
4 it -- the fact is, is it not, that the reader is most
5 strongly advised to avoid meat products, poultry, fish and
6 dairy products as well as any substantial quantity of
7 vegetable oil. That is right, is it not?
8 A. I have-- yes. Yes, the reader is advised to keep
9 vegetable oils to a minimum, recognising there will always
10 be intrinsic oils used in food and some are included, but
11 meats, poultry, fish, dairy products were not included in
12 the recipes.
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14 Q. Your advice to the reader is disavow those groups or
15 categories of food?
16 A. The point of the book, when one reads it, is to lay
17 out what the health consequences of those foods may be so
18 that the reader can decide for himself or herself what
19 sorts of dietary risks they may care to take. There
20 are -- and, hopefully, amongst the 325 or so scientific
21 references in there, those who would like to look for more
22 specific information on what those risks may be, can find
23 that and gratify their knowledge.
24
25 Q. Do you remember appearing on a television programme --
26 I think it was a cable programme -- in South Carolina in
27 1991, this month, October 1991, do you remember that?
28 A. No, I do not.
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30 Q. Do you ever remember having said that men who eat a diet
31 high in fat, 25 per cent of them are likely to wind up
32 impotent. Do you remember saying that?
33 A. I rather doubt I would have put it in that way, but I
34 would be pleased to tell you about the links between
35 atherosclerotic arterial disease and impotence in men.
36
37 Q. Let me give you the exact words: "25 per cent of males
38 will be impotent by eating meat".
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40 MS. STEEL: I want to make an objection to this. Mr. Rampton
41 is saying those are the exact words, but he has not proved
42 the source of this.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We will see. If the witness accepts it
45 there will be no need for it. If he does not accept it,
46 then it is left in the air. It is not a matter which is
47 in evidence and we will have to see if it does come into
48 evidence.
49
50 MS. STEEL: He said those were the exact words.
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52 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, he is asking the witness.
53
54 MR. RAMPTON: I said let me try.
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56 MS. STEEL: "Let me give the exact words".
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58 MR. RAMPTON: Let me try it again, Dr. Barnard: "25 per cent
59 of males will be impotent by eating meat". Do you
60 remember ever having said anything like that?
