Day 157 - 18 Jul 95 - Page 15


     
     1        I am quite happy to show them in court.  This was when Mark
     2        Davis was giving evidence.  He was being cross-examined.
     3        I think it is about 10 pages.  The transcript from that day
     4        is 52 pages, I believe, from memory.  I have not got it in
     5        front of me.  On each page it has about, at least, I do not
     6        know, 20 or 30 times as much text.  So, in effect, there
     7        would be at least 100 times more text in the transcript
     8        than exists in my notes.  I was going -----
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    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You say you have about 10 pages here, do you?
    11
    12   MR. MORRIS:  It is 10 pages.  This is because we thought we were
    13        not going to get a transcript for that day, so you could
    14        say it is a laboratory condition for what would happen in
    15        the future.  We were doing our best to go as fast as we
    16        could in taking notes on that day, and that if we were
    17        actually going to take proper notes, we would have to go at
    18        a much reduced rate.  These are no way effective notes.
    19
    20        I do not really need to take the court through them.
    21        I think people can see them for themselves and judge for
    22        themselves.  My handwriting is very poor at the best of
    23        times, and there is no way Helen would be able to
    24        understand my notes, let alone rely on them.  I do not mind
    25        you keeping those if you want, but I would prefer them back
    26        from Mr. Rampton, if he has finished with them?
    27
    28   MR. RAMPTON:  No, no.  I am going to keep them for the duration
    29        of this hearing.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I will put them on one side in case I need to
    32        look at them.  They are there.  When I have given a ruling
    33        on this application, you can have the copy back.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:  Thank you, yes.
    36
    37   MS. STEEL:   We have not got a full copy, well, we have not got
    38        a copy of this at all, but it might be worth mentioning at
    39        this point -- anyone can check it if they want to -- in
    40        Access to Justice, the interim report of the Lord
    41        Chancellor on the civil justice system in England and
    42        Wales, section 3, chapter 13 at para. 14 states:  "Judges
    43        usually report that this technology", that being computer
    44        aided real time transcription which converts words spoken
    45        in the court room into context that appears instantaneously
    46        on the systems monitors, "brings time saving 25 to 30 per
    47        cent.  Obviously, the converse of that would apply, that we
    48        are not getting transcripts, whether or not we have
    49        CaseView in court, we are not getting a transcript of what
    50        has been typed up so we are having to make notes, the 
    51        likely effect of that is that the case will take at least 
    52        25 to 30 per cent longer.  It will be longer than that; it 
    53        will take longer than that.
    54
    55        We apologise for not having that actual authority or that
    56        reference, but we were advised by 1 Pump Court, a barrister
    57        there, on that, but he did not have a copy of it.  He must
    58        have taken it from a text book or something.
    59
    60        We believe that if we do not have a transcript and we are

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