Day 238 - 22 Apr 96 - Page 22


     
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     2   Q.   And the second trip was what year?
     3        A.   The second trip was 1992.
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     5   Q.   Yes?
     6        A.   That took me to Maranhao to Amazonas to Para to
     7        Roraima to Rondonia and Acre.
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     9   Q.   Those last ones you mentioned are all in the northern
    10        swathe, are they are not, and Roraima where your spent your
    11        14 months before joining Survival is right up in the north
    12        and next to Venezuela is it not?
    13        A.  Yes.
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    15   Q.   That was the second trip.  What about the third trip?
    16        A.  The third trip, again Roraima, Amazonas and Para.
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    18   Q.   Right.  Do I understand from that that your personal
    19        knowledge of Mato Grosso do Sul is negligible?
    20        A.   No, I have not been to Mato Grosso do Sul.  I have
    21        been to Mato Grosso.
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    23   Q.   Yes, I understand.  We cross the border into Amazonas Legal
    24        more or less at the border of Mato Grosso and Mato Grosso
    25        do Sul; do we not?
    26        A.   Yes.
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    28   Q.   So you have not actually ever been to Mato Grosso do Sul?
    29        A.   No, I have not, but I would say that in a number of
    30        cases we work on at Survival, for various reasons, it is
    31        not possible to go to a country.
    32
    33   Q.   All right?
    34        A.   So as a means of getting evidence we have a lot of
    35        contacts on the ground.
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    37   Q.   I understand.  This is by no means a criticism,
    38        Miss Watson, but we do have certain rules of evidence in
    39        these Courts.  Can I ask you this:  I suppose it is
    40        absolutely, of course, now.  Everything you have told us
    41        about the problems you have recounted relating to the
    42        indigenous peoples of Mato Grosso do Sul, and in
    43        particular, the Guarani, have been reported to you by one
    44        route or another; is that right?
    45        A.   That is correct, yes.
    46
    47   Q.   Have you actually spoken to any of the leaders of those
    48        indigenous groups in that State of Brazil?
    49        A.   No, not in that State.
    50 
    51   Q.   So there may be geographical errors, for example, in this 
    52        map which is not something you can help me with; is it? 
    53        A.   In this map?
    54
    55   Q.   Yes?
    56        A.   I should say that this organization here has the
    57        latest in technology, satellite technology, to produce
    58        these maps and I would find it extremely strange if it was
    59        not correct particularly because a lot of their sources if
    60        you look in the accompanying 3 pages come from the

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