Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 35


     
     1   MR. MORRIS:   Yes.
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     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Then you have explained 4 to me.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:   Can I say on that point, number 3; I have already
     6        referred to that Mr. Mallinson point.  That is fine.
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You have referred to 4 as well.
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    10   MR. MORRIS:   Yes.  4, I have given them a healthy 15 percent
    11        recycled content, rather than 50 percent.  Then he I have
    12        added all the non-Persico packaging, another 1.5.  Again it
    13        is approximate.  We do not have to worry about a perfect
    14        calculation, just to get the general impression.  6, is the
    15        material lost in production.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That could be 1.77.
    18
    19   MR. MORRIS:   Actually, it is, yes.  I have greatly
    20        underestimated it, because also the material lost in
    21        production, there is material lost at that stage in the
    22        production of pulp wood stage - sorry, the material lost in
    23        production of carton board and then there will be material
    24        lost in the manufacture of specific items of packaging.
    25        So, in fact it is both 1.77.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes, I understand.
    28
    29   MR. MORRIS:   And an additional factor of whatever is lost,
    30        which we never heard any evidence of because Mr. Bateman
    31        did not attend as a witness.  But it is lost in production
    32        further along the line, and as these are all compound
    33        factors they are quite important.  So 1.77, I am sure at
    34        least 10 percent has been lost later on, which could be an
    35        extra 1.1 percent factorial.  Sorry, 1.1 multiplication
    36        needed on top of the 1.77.
    37
    38   MR JUSTICE BELL:  But then you see, all this is no doubt -----
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:   Then the lifestyle, life cycle of the forest.
    41
    42   MR JUSTICE BELL:  That is where we...  You see, this was not
    43        actually put, was it, to any witness, point 7?
    44
    45   MR. MORRIS:   Yes, of course, to Mr. Mallinson, that you would
    46        need an area-----
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes, but it was not put that if the life
    49        cycle was 40 years you would need 40 times the area, if it
    50        was eighty years, you would need eighty times the area or 
    51        if it was a hundred years, you would need a hundred times 
    52        the area was it?  I mean, this is Morris on forestry, not a 
    53        witness on forestry is it not?
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:   It was put, although, because everything was so
    56        confusing, I think at one time you had taken over the
    57        questioning on the subject - which I am not saying it was
    58        confusing because you were doing that.
    59
    60   MR JUSTICE BELL:  No, I am only too prepared to accept it became

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