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1 matters to them. I do not find it either courteous or
2 helpful. It does seem to me that from what Ms. Steel has
3 read Professor Crawford intends to expand quite
4 considerably upon the evidence he gave last time both in
5 the witness box and in his statement. That being so, since
6 I have my cancer specialist here now I ought to have been
7 given notice of it so he can have a proper opportunity of
8 thinking about it.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: When I said 'put the proposition' I did not
11 mean put the whole proposition, the whole paragraph. What
12 I suggested, break it down to as small bits as you can and
13 put each small bit, and then you can put the conclusion at
14 the end as well.
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16 MS. STEEL: The reason I interrupted Mr. Rampton is because, as
17 is Mr. Rampton's way, he accuses us of doing things which
18 we have not done. I do not have a supplementary statement
19 from Professor Crawford. I did say some time ago that he
20 was going to write one. He has not had the time to do it
21 yet. We only got Dr. Arnott's statement very recently, and
22 he has only just received it. This was just some questions
23 that he suggested that I put.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us see if you can break it down and you
26 tell me if I have it wrong. You started off, first he says
27 he did not say that cancer cells fixed on atheromas. Well,
28 I do not think he did, but what I had understood, rightly
29 or wrongly, is that it is the atheroma between the cell
30 walls which affects the endothelium and therefore, as a
31 secondary effect, means that blood clots can stick and
32 cause coronary problems, and that he was suggesting that by
33 the same token cancerous cells could stick to it and cause
34 progression of the cancer.
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36 MS. STEEL: I am not sure that is it. I got the impression that
37 the damage to the vessels was not just in relation to
38 atheromas, that was just one example of the type of damage.
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: When he comes back no doubt we will find out,
41 but however that may be the first proposition, looking back
42 at Caseview, was that eating a high saturated fat diet, you
43 said, tends to make blood cells sticky.
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45 MS. STEEL: Yes. The witness has said he does not know about
46 that.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, I assume that you are putting cancerous
49 cells.
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51 MS. STEEL: I am not entirely sure whether he is saying that the
52 effect is that the cells lining the blood vessels are the
53 -- the problem is that I find it quite hard to understand.
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I appreciate you have a difficulty with it.
56 A. The problem with the lining cells is that they
57 themselves do not become irregular unless there is some
58 other precipitating factor such as flecks of fatty deposit
59 within the wall of the artery, or that there is trauma.
60 One sees this after surgery, for example, that the
