Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 37
1 some countries.
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3 Q. Then we see two Nordic countries on the next two sections,
4 Norway and Sweden, which give "yes" answers to everything
5 except the prods because neither of those uses electric
6 prods. They both use the captive bolt pistol.
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8 Then turn over, please, to the next one which is H which is
9 Brazil. You see "yes" answers to everything except where
10 it says: "Are animals rested prior to stunning and
11 slaughtering" and the answer is "By law". They use captive
12 bolt stunning, but they also slaughter animals according to
13 the requirements of Kosher and Halal slaughtering. What
14 does "kosher" slaughtering involve? Is it different,
15 essentially from Halal?
16 A. It is very similar. It is the same principle.
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18 Q. So that means the animal has to be killed without being
19 stunned?
20 A. Yes, and it has to follow a direction and it has to be
21 by authorised "Kosher" approved step.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The reasoning there, is it, that people of a
24 certain religious persuasion might eat beef or chicken so
25 that cattle and chickens are slaughtered "Kosher" or
26 "Halal", since people of those religious persuasions will
27 not be eating pork anyway, then such hogs or pigs as are
28 slaughtered can be slaughtered anyway which is thought
29 best; is that the reasoning behind it?
30 A. Yes.
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32 MR. RAMPTON: Then moving on from Norway and Sweden -- sorry,
33 from Brazil, which is where I think I got to, the next one
34 is Czechoslovakia which, I think, we looked at. J, we are
35 in Argentina, I think?
36 A. Yes.
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38 Q. The only feature to which I draw your attention in this
39 questionnaire is that they reply that the animals -- this
40 is the ones that have come to be slaughtered; it is local
41 beef, Argentine beef, as one would expect, I suppose -- the
42 answer to the question: "Do animals have access to clean,
43 fresh air?" The answer is: "No". What does that suggest
44 to you, Dr. Gonzales, about where the animals are kept
45 before being slaughtered?
46 A. It suggests to me that the animals are under a
47 facility. I had visited that facility probably five times.
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49 Q. I see. I should have asked what you it meant then, should
50 I not?
51 A. Yes, they do have access to fresh air. It is just,
52 those people are also world class and they have a huge
53 facility where the animals are processed indoors so are
54 taken -- the outside, and that is what ------
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56 Q. They are waiting, that is outside or at any rate it has got
57 access -----
58 A. They are waiting outside in a pen with cover but then
59 they go inside.
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