Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 44
1 THE WITNESS: Yes. They look like that. There are two
2 consecutive orders with various cartons.
3
4 MS. STEEL: Can you explain how you tell the difference on
5 those?
6 A. They have got a different ring number. The ring number
7 is the item number is the first number on the page, and if
8 we look at the apple pie carton it is 16606 and 16618.
9 Comparing those with our internal specification, I can tell
10 that that is the recycled one and that is the previous one,
11 the unrecycled one.
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13 MR. MORRIS: So the 06 is the previous one?
14 A. Yes, that is correct.
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16 MS. STEEL: Place mats, what do you know about the place mats?
17 A. I could not tell you.
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19 Q. Why is that?
20 A. Because we have not handled those.
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22 Q. What other items is Perseco not responsible for?
23 A. In general, we are not responsible for promotional
24 items because they tend to be very much country specific.
25 One of the reasons for Perseco to come in had to do with
26 European standardisation.
27
28 Q. Right.
29 A. Since these will always be very country specific, often
30 short run items, they have in the beginning specially not
31 been our responsibility. That is starting to change at the
32 moment but only starting.
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34 Q. Toilet rolls?
35 A. I just happen to know they are 100 per cent recycled at
36 the moment.
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38 Q. But you do not know any more than that about them?
39 A. I do not know when that changed, no.
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41 Q. Toilet rolls, are they your responsibility?
42 A. No, they are not.
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44 Q. The same for kitchen towels?
45 A. The same thing for kitchen towels.
46
47 Q. Chicken McNugget cartons?
48 A. They are our responsibility. I can only -- based on
49 the same document, I can see that at this time they had
50 changed because it actually, sometimes the name actually
51 says whether they are recycled or not. But this one it
52 actually says, there is also an order for the recycle nine
53 piece McNuggets box on there, so I can only tell you in
54 March they had already changed to that box.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you keep your voice up, please, Mr. Van
57 Erp?
58 A. Sorry, yes.
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60 MS. STEEL: In the one on 26th March it does not say recycled,
