Day 238 - 22 Apr 96 - Page 23


     
     1        Government Official Organisation FUNAI.
     2
     3   Q.   I just want you to help with one thing, and it may be I
     4        have completely misunderstood, but it did puzzle me when I
     5        saw it.  Have you got an index or key to the map?  This is
     6        produced by something called, have if got it right and
     7        please correct me if I am wrong, and I do not speak
     8        Portuguese, I am afraid, although maybe we should call it
     9        Brazilian now.  Is this produced by Povos Indigenas no Mato
    10        Grosso do Sul?
    11        A.   It is produced by CEDI, as it says at the top here,
    12        CEDI.
    13
    14   Q.   The top of what?
    15        A.   If you look at the top of the key it says "CEDI
    16        National Museum 1990".
    17
    18   Q.   You are quite right, yes.  Did tell us what that was?
    19        A.   It is the Ecumenical Centre for Information and
    20        Documentation.
    21
    22   Q.   It is a non-governmental organisation?
    23        A.  It is but this is in collaboration with the National
    24        Museum which is obviously a Federal Institute.
    25
    26   Q.   On the second page of the key, have you got the key to the
    27        map?
    28        A.   Yes.
    29
    30   Q.   This is a list on the second page, as on the first, of the
    31        indigenous lands which are official recognised; is it not?
    32        A.  Yes.
    33
    34   Q.   Whereas the last page are those which you not have been
    35        able to have officially recognised at the time of this
    36        document?
    37        A.   Yes.
    38
    39   Q.   Four up from the bottom is number 449 on the second page,
    40        the land of the sete cerros?
    41        A.   Yes.
    42
    43   Q.   If I am right, the last column of municipality is given as
    44        Coronel Sapucaia?
    45        A.   Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   Have you got that big map still?  Do you see Dourados due
    48        south of Campo Grande?
    49        A.  Yes.
    50 
    51   Q.   And do you see Ponta Pora on the border with Paraguay? 
    52        A.   Yes. 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just find these.  Where do I go?
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  Go to Dourados first please, and then go due west
    57        to Ponta Pora on the border of Paraguay, and then,
    58        Miss Watson, if you travel down the border, smack on the
    59        border, you will find a place called Coronel Sapucaia?
    60        A.   Yes.

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