Day 166 - 28 Sep 95 - Page 66


     
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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, this is the danger, that Ms. Steel will
     3        get some guesses -- Mr. Atkinson is doing his best to help
     4         -- and then she will produce some piece of arithmetic
     5        which she says proves something.  It really does not do.
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     7   MS. STEEL:   No, which might give an indication of something.  I
     8        am not going to say anything proves anything.
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    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What are you aiming for?  You want to work
    11        something out.  What is it you want to work out?
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    13   MS. STEEL:   Just about the labour costs then.
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    15   THE WITNESS:  On a Saturday, you are going to achieve a lower
    16        labour than a Monday, which is why when you said before
    17        does 15 per cent get mentioned in every breath, kind of
    18        thing, no, because you might start off on a Monday with
    19        20.
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    21   Q.   But on a Saturday it might be 10?
    22        A.  Perhaps.
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    24   Q.   Right.  If you can just say how many it was working the
    25        night close, I do not think you said -----
    26        A.  Around five.
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    28   Q.   That would be the minimum that you would have working in a
    29        store at a time, is it?
    30        A.  I think so, yes.
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    32   Q.   I have only one more question which is on the same thing
    33        but, on average, in the non-busy periods how many people
    34        would be working when the store was actually opened?
    35        A.  At night or day?
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    37   Q.   If you can give both, then it would probably be easier.
    38        A.  In a non-busy time probably round 15 to 20.
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    40   Q.   15 to 20 -- is that the day or the night one?
    41        A.  Like probably an afternoon, well, the business would
    42        fluctuate.
    43
    44   Q.   Does that include management?
    45        A.  Possibly, yes.
    46
    47   Q.   Was that different to the night or not, or was that just an
    48        average, because you said about day and night, you
    49        asked: "Day or night?"
    50        A.  The night times towards Christmas would have Christmas 
    51        shopping nights and there would be much more business about 
    52        but, I suppose, in general, the nights were not as busy as 
    53        the days.
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    55   Q.   So that would be about 15 staff or something?
    56        A.  Yes.
    57
    58   Q.   Right.  If you could just give a figure for how many
    59        Managers would be on duty at a time?
    60        A.  Salary or floor managers or both?

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