Day 096 - 03 Mar 95 - Page 31


     
     1        A.  No, no, no.  Everything on a pig, I am pleased to say,
     2        we can grill or roast, if necessary.  In actual fact,
     3        McKey's do actually buy meat exactly the same that is on
     4        retail stores, right? But because you sell it to them in
     5        bulk that is discounted by roughly 25 per cent to what we
     6        would be making to the retailers.
     7
     8   Q.   That is not really what I am asking about.  Maybe you
     9        cannot give the answer but when it comes to selling ----
    10        A.  Right, if I can give you a specific answer?  If you go
    11        into any of the major retailers or a butcher's shop, you
    12        can buy a shoulder of pork.  Right?  That is one of the
    13        cuts that we will supply to McKeys consistently.  So, they
    14        are actually using butchered or butchery pork for
    15        manufacturing as well.  But because they will buy it in
    16        bulk, it is discounted.   That is absolute prime meat.
    17
    18   Q.   But you also supply to McKey's meat which, I do not know
    19        whether you know or not, is processed so it is what
    20        McDonald's call "sausage"?
    21        A.  Yes.
    22
    23   Q.   Which, as I understand it, is a pork version of a burger
    24        patty?
    25        A.  Yes.
    26
    27   Q.   How does the price of the meat which ends up processed in
    28        that way compare?
    29        A.  Exactly as I have just described, sir.  Exactly as I
    30        have just described, sir.
    31
    32   Q.   I have not followed you, I am afraid.  How does it compare
    33        with shoulder of pork?
    34        A.  Well, the shoulder of pork, McKey buys a shoulder of
    35        pork from us and we also sell shoulder of pork to our
    36        retailers.  So, they buy exactly the same standard of meat.
    37
    38   Q.   I am sorry.  It may be that my question is totally inept.
    39        Do you also sell a part of the pig to McKey's which you
    40        know is going to be McDonald's sausage?
    41        A.  Oh, yes.
    42
    43   Q.   Can you give me a price, not the price, but what sort of
    44        relationship the price of that bears to shoulder of pork?
    45        A.  I am actually -----
    46
    47   Q.   If the answer is:  "No, I cannot because a whole part of a
    48        pig will be sold and they will take a bit of it for this
    49        and a bit of it for that" -----
    50        A.  We sell shoulder and belly ------ 
    51 
    52   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am sorry, it is terribly cheeky of me. 
    53        Might it be better to ask him what parts of the pig he
    54        sells to McKeys that he would not sell to the supermarket,
    55        if any, because I do not know the answer.
    56
    57   THE WITNESS:  Yes, we sell basically shoulder and belly to
    58        McKeys, right?  But, equally so, at times that can go to
    59        the supermarket as well.  They are getting the same quality
    60        of meat exactly as what goes to the supermarket. It is not

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