Day 275 - 08 Jul 96 - Page 37
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes. Then it is followed by the notes.
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4 MR. RAMPTON: You are absolutely right, yes.
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Or what are called the notes. It does not
7 matter as long as we can easily find it in your reference.
8 A. Okay. Yes, it is just on the second page of her notes
9 where she describes me becoming involved with the
10 discussion. If I can just say that despite what Mr.
11 Rampton tried to portray last week, I am actually not
12 particularly confident about speaking in public. I think
13 that confidence about speaking in court is quite different
14 because we have been here for so long and had so many
15 pretrial hearings that I have got used to doing it.
16 Certainly, I know that even now I am still actually quite
17 nervous at speaking at meetings where there is more than
18 about five or six people.
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20 What she said that I said here, it is not in quotes
21 and it would not have been -- that is not the way that I
22 would express myself. I may very well have said something
23 about wanting to see a society without government and
24 multinationals and exploitation, but I would not have
25 expressed it in the way that she has noted it down.
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27 The notes of 5th July 1990 of Frances Tiller, I don't
28 know whether I need to go through every single example of
29 wherever anyone has said anything about leading the
30 proceedings or chairing the proceedings, it is just a
31 general point that there weren't any Chairs. There weren't
32 any leaders, and there wasn't anybody in charge of getting
33 things moving, or anything like that. It was just, on
34 different dates, different individuals would just decide to
35 get things moving or take the initiative to get things
36 moving but they would not be responsible for keeping things
37 moving throughout and they would not have any power over
38 anybody else to stop them speaking or to tell them when to
39 speak.
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41 Page 156, I think, is the next one.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 26th July.
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45 MR. MORRIS: What date is that?
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47 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 26th July. Mr. Bishop?
48 A. Actually this is not important. Just the same thing
49 again. Just that Andrew Clarke has never been known as
50 Charlie. When he refers to the other Andrew from his
51 report dated 16th, the other Andrew, who he refers to as
52 Andrew from Turnpike Hill, it is actually Turnpike Lane,
53 but Andrew Clarke was from Turnpike Lane, so that is where
54 he says "the other Andrew from my report dated 16th June
55 1990", and the same goes for on page 162, the notes of 2nd
56 August 1990 of Mr. Bishop, where he has got Charlie, as far
57 as I am aware, Andrew Clarke.
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59 MR. MORRIS: That is in the middle of the first paragraph.
60 A. On page 164 of the notes, which is the same date, 2nd
