Day 034 - 11 Oct 94 - Page 59


     
     1   Q.   Dr. Barnard, on one view, of course, what you have
     2        described is entirely right, but the fact is if you look
     3        at the book -- I confess I have read not all but most of
     4        it -- the fact is, is it not, that the reader is most
     5        strongly advised to avoid meat products, poultry, fish and
     6        dairy products as well as any substantial quantity of
     7        vegetable oil.  That is right, is it not?
     8        A.  I have-- yes.  Yes, the reader is advised to keep
     9        vegetable oils to a minimum, recognising there will always
    10        be intrinsic oils used in food and some are included, but
    11        meats, poultry, fish, dairy products were not included in
    12        the recipes.
    13
    14   Q.   Your advice to the reader is disavow those groups or
    15        categories of food?
    16        A.  The point of the book, when one reads it, is to lay
    17        out what the health consequences of those foods may be so
    18        that the reader can decide for himself or herself what
    19        sorts of dietary risks they may care to take.  There
    20        are -- and, hopefully, amongst the 325 or so scientific
    21        references in there, those who would like to look for more
    22        specific information on what those risks may be, can find
    23        that and gratify their knowledge.
    24
    25   Q.   Do you remember appearing on a television programme --
    26        I think it was a cable programme -- in South Carolina in
    27        1991, this month, October 1991, do you remember that?
    28        A.  No, I do not.
    29
    30   Q.   Do you ever remember having said that men who eat a diet
    31        high in fat, 25 per cent of them are likely to wind up
    32        impotent.  Do you remember saying that?
    33        A.  I rather doubt I would have put it in that way, but I
    34        would be pleased to tell you about the links between
    35        atherosclerotic arterial disease and impotence in men.
    36
    37   Q.   Let me give you the exact words:  "25 per cent of males
    38        will be impotent by eating meat".
    39
    40   MS. STEEL:  I want to make an objection to this.  Mr. Rampton
    41        is saying those are the exact words, but he has not proved
    42        the source of this.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We will see.  If the witness accepts it
    45        there will be no need for it.  If he does not accept it,
    46        then it is left in the air.  It is not a matter which is
    47        in evidence and we will have to see if it does come into
    48        evidence.
    49
    50   MS. STEEL:  He said those were the exact words. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, he is asking the witness. 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  I said let me try.
    55
    56   MS. STEEL:  "Let me give the exact words".
    57
    58   MR. RAMPTON:  Let me try it again, Dr. Barnard:  "25 per cent
    59        of males will be impotent by eating meat".  Do you
    60        remember ever having said anything like that?

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