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1 implications of these photographs.
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3 Q. Do you remember that 'phone conversation?
4 A. Yes, I made notes at the time, and I have looked at
5 them since, and it had been an item that had been on the
6 Welsh news, I think several times during a certain day in,
7 I think, December 1992. I think I spoke to him in January
8 1993. He said 1994 but it was 1993, according to my diary,
9 and he did express concern and he said that welfare was
10 dear to his heart and he did, at the same time, tell me
11 that infections were very, very common in the turkey
12 flocks, like 50 per cent he quoted me.
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14 The thing that concerned me in the photograph was the
15 turkey with a closed up eye. It looked like sinusitis. He
16 said, yes, this was very common as a secondary infection
17 and these things would be treated with a range of
18 antibiotics. I had the impression that antibiotics were
19 very widely used and that there was a very high incidence
20 of infectious diseases in the turkeys and I was very
21 concerned of course about this bird being transported in
22 such a state.
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24 Q. These were the photographs that you were sent?
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26 MR. RAMPTON: I do not think we need to see photographs.
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Is this the conversation which Dr. Pattison
29 referred to?
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31 MS. STEEL: Yes.
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33 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have already ruled in relation to the
34 turkeys. By all means since Dr. Pattison was led to deal
35 with why he did not ----
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37 MR. RAMPTON: He was not led, my Lord. It was introduced by
38 Mr. Morris in cross-examination.
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It came out one way or another. I am quite
41 prepared to hear what Mrs. Druce has to say about that but
42 not the turkeys.
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44 MS. STEEL: We are not going to go into detail about the turkeys
45 but the 'phone call has to be put into context about what
46 ----
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You do not have to show me photographs for
49 it.
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51 MS. STEEL: It is to show genuine concern and why the 'phone call
52 was made.
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54 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not going to doubt Mrs. Druce's concern
55 on these topics at all. If you want to -- it is entirely a
56 matter for you -- all you need do is ask her whether it
57 became clear that she did not, or questions directed about
58 whether it became clear that she was not interested in
59 Dr. Pattison's point of view and she knew about the
60 demonstration.
