Day 066 - 14 Dec 94 - Page 37


     
     1        some countries.
     2
     3   Q.   Then we see two Nordic countries on the next two sections,
     4        Norway and Sweden, which give "yes" answers to everything
     5        except the prods because neither of those uses electric
     6        prods.  They both use the captive bolt pistol.
     7
     8        Then turn over, please, to the next one which is H which is
     9        Brazil.  You see "yes" answers to everything except where
    10        it says:  "Are animals rested prior to stunning and
    11        slaughtering" and the answer is "By law".  They use captive
    12        bolt stunning, but they also slaughter animals according to
    13        the requirements of Kosher and Halal slaughtering.  What
    14        does "kosher" slaughtering involve?  Is it different,
    15        essentially from Halal?
    16        A.  It is very similar.  It is the same principle.
    17
    18   Q.   So that means the animal has to be killed without being
    19        stunned?
    20        A.  Yes, and it has to follow a direction and it has to be
    21        by authorised "Kosher" approved step.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The reasoning there, is it, that people of a
    24        certain religious persuasion might eat beef or chicken so
    25        that cattle and chickens are slaughtered "Kosher" or
    26        "Halal", since people of those religious persuasions will
    27        not be eating pork anyway, then such hogs or pigs as are
    28        slaughtered can be slaughtered anyway which is thought
    29        best; is that the reasoning behind it?
    30        A.  Yes.
    31
    32   MR. RAMPTON:  Then moving on from Norway and Sweden -- sorry,
    33        from Brazil, which is where I think I got to, the next one
    34        is Czechoslovakia which, I think, we looked at.  J, we are
    35        in Argentina, I think?
    36        A.  Yes.
    37
    38   Q.   The only feature to which I draw your attention in this
    39        questionnaire is that they reply that the animals -- this
    40        is the ones that have come to be slaughtered; it is local
    41        beef, Argentine beef, as one would expect, I suppose -- the
    42        answer to the question:  "Do animals have access to clean,
    43        fresh air?"  The answer is:  "No".  What does that suggest
    44        to you, Dr. Gonzales, about where the animals are kept
    45        before being slaughtered?
    46        A.  It suggests to me that the animals are under a
    47        facility.  I had visited that facility probably five times.
    48
    49   Q.   I see.  I should have asked what you it meant then, should
    50        I not? 
    51        A.  Yes, they do have access to fresh air.  It is just, 
    52        those people are also world class and they have a huge 
    53        facility where the animals are processed indoors so are
    54        taken -- the outside, and that is what ------
    55
    56   Q.   They are waiting, that is outside or at any rate it has got
    57        access -----
    58        A.  They are waiting outside in a pen with cover but then
    59        they go inside.
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