Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 31


     
     1        employees' entrance, there is a phone right near the safe
     2        where you are supposed to call for rides or whatever.  But
     3        you have to ask them first.  But I doubt that she would
     4        have been allowed to stand there all day, because she would
     5        be in the way of managers trying to count tills, and they
     6        do not like people standing around the safe when it is
     7        open.  But there is a large manager's office where she
     8        probably -- where I would think that she made the phone
     9        calls from; but, to get in there, you have to be allowed by
    10        management to do so.
    11
    12   Q.   Have you ever heard of anybody, ever since you were working
    13        at the store, being allowed to spend all day making phone
    14        calls ---
    15        A.  No.
    16
    17   Q.   -- to crew members in that way?
    18        A.  No.  Usually, people just use the phone there to call
    19        themselves a ride or to find someone to fill their shift.
    20
    21   Q.   And that would be it?
    22        A.  That would be it.
    23
    24   Q.   Coming to the crew meeting held by Cam on Tuesday,
    25        5th October 1993, you said that he was saying that unions
    26        were not good things, that "they would destroy our big
    27        happy family"?
    28        A.  Well, what I got from that meeting was that -- what he
    29        was saying was, bringing in a third party in, you would not
    30        be able to deal face to face with him any more; it would
    31        not be done as fairly; things would not be done quite as
    32        quickly as they were supposed to have been done in the
    33        store.
    34
    35   Q.   How would he know that?
    36        A.  How would he know that?  I do not know.
    37
    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.  That is ------
    39
    40   MR. MORRIS:  That is a daft question, I admit.  So, he was
    41        telling people what would happen if a union came in?
    42        A.  Yes.  Like, apparently, he used to be a teacher or
    43        something, and, in Ontario, teachers are represented by
    44        unions.  So maybe he got it from that.  I do not know.
    45
    46   Q.   Well, I am going to ask about this "big happy family".  Did
    47        you consider it a big, happy family?
    48        A.  No.
    49
    50   Q.   You said that you told him at this meeting: "I was not 
    51        going to share my personal views about the management there 
    52        in front of 30 or 40 people."  Why is that? 
    53        A.  I had already tried to speak to Cam about problems with
    54        the management.  He was not willing to listen.  I felt that
    55        it was unfair that I had been put on the spot like that;
    56        and, also, I mean, unions are there to argue for you.
    57        I mean, had I started discussing managers with Cam, there
    58        would be a conflict, and I really did not go to that
    59        meeting for a conflict, you know, to get into a fight with
    60        him.  That was kind of the atmosphere.  It was a very

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