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1 I think, was only going to refer to a couple of pages in
2 this report, I deliberately copied the entire text, 38
3 pages, for everybody in the court and served it two days
4 ago, precisely to show that we are trying to get as much
5 material as relevant to the Plaintiffs in advance as much
6 as we can. It is particularly galling to be attacked as
7 if it is some kind of deliberate ploy.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not think you were attacked that it was
10 a deliberate ploy, and I am certainly not supposing it was
11 a deliberate ploy. I think one way you can approach it
12 now is that you must know, maybe it will happen much less
13 in areas apart from nutrition -- I can see nutrition is
14 the obvious area where this happens -- but you should be
15 able to look ahead generally. If there is something which
16 is more a book than a paper and you have a copy of it,
17 bring it to court and lend it to the other side well in
18 advance.
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20 If you think there is a book which is relevant to the
21 evidence of a witness and you have not a copy, make sure
22 that, I see Mr. Hill is in court, I will use him, make
23 sure that Mr. Hill knows about that. Do you understand?
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25 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I am driven to say this. I understand
28 your Lordship's sympathy for the Defendants' position (I
29 do not call it a predicament), but I cannot sit here and
30 listen to what, in effect, are misleading statements by
31 Mr. Morris. I happen to know (and will prove in due
32 course) that both these defendants spent most of Saturday
33 demonstrating outside McDonald's restaurant in Woolwich.
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35 MS. STEEL: I think this is a completely unjustified
36 criticism. We have spent the whole of the rest of our
37 time preparing for this case. The Plaintiffs are not
38 closing down their business in order to prepare this
39 case. We have had pamphlets sprung on us; some of the
40 ones Mr. Rampton referred to when he was re-examining
41 Professor Wheelock, we had not been provided copies even
42 though Mr. Rampton had had them for a week. There were
43 the pig brochures that Mr. Rampton had four copies of and
44 he said he had one in his boot but he could not manage to
45 get one served on us.
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47 MR. MORRIS: The nutrition file has doubled in size over the
48 holiday.
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50 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Leave it there, because although I can
51 understand how one side or the other gets heated about
52 these things, I am totally disinterested in the argument.
53 I am not interested in beefing on one side or the other.
54 I just want to get on with the case and be as efficient as
55 we can, bearing in mind you are representing yourselves
56 and you do not have a great team to help you. So, I am
57 not out of sympathy, but each time something goes wrong we
58 have to learn something from it to try and avoid it
59 happening again.
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