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     2   MR. RAMPTON:  Dated 1989.
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     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  (To the witness)  You cannot remember now
     5        whether that is what you saw or not?
     6        A.  I cannot, no.
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     8   MS. STEEL:   Do you remember, in the photographs that you got
     9        and the descriptions that you got, who the people were that
    10        featured in those photographs and descriptions?
    11        A.  I do not remember the details of them.  No, I do not.
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    13   Q.   For example, you have myself and Andrew Clarke there.  Do
    14        you remember Paul Gravett being one of them; do you
    15        remember Mr. Morris being one of them?
    16        A.  Having looked at the photographs, I saw someone who
    17        looked like it was Paul Gravett, but I really do not
    18        remember exactly if that is the complete set of photographs
    19        I saw at the time or a part of it.  I really could not say
    20        at this time.
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    22   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It would not be of significance that you did
    23        not refer to Paul Gravett and the photograph, because you
    24        had already identified him earlier, anyway, in earlier
    25        reports?
    26        A.  That is certainly possible, my Lord.  I am not sure why
    27        the photographs were presented to me.  It may have been for
    28        me to identify or it may have been identifying people to
    29        me.  I really do not remember.
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    31   MR. MORRIS:  If Kings -- which I am sure it is accepted -- knew
    32        the identities by the time, by that time -----
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    34   MR. RAMPTON:  No, my Lord, it is not accepted.  That is
    35        absolutely not the case.  According to our evidence, the
    36        only people whose identities were known at that time were
    37        Paul Gravett and Ms. Steel, that is to say -----
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    39   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The difficulty is we have a witness of fact
    40        in the witness box.  It is legitimate to make some
    41        exploratory questions, but a times comes when you have to
    42        accept, for the purposes of asking the witness questions,
    43        that his knowledge may be limited about what other people
    44        know or what was going on outside his own sphere of
    45        knowledge.  So, if it really does help you on a significant
    46        issue ask him what his knowledge is.
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    48   MR. MORRIS:  I will move on then.
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    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You are in an unproductive area if you ask 
    51        him to start drawing inferences, unless you think it may 
    52        jog his memory as to something he actually knows. 
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    54   MR. MORRIS:  Right.
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    56   MS. STEEL:   If we move on.  The final full paragraph on the
    57        first page of the 2nd November says, "I was informed that
    58        Dave (who I later, during the course of the conversation,
    59        discovered to be called Dave Morris) who had invited me
    60        would not be attending that meeting.  I said that I would

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