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1 have contained some virgin material.
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3 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I intervene to remind your Lordship of
4 tabs 25, 26 and 27 of pink bundle V which tells us of the
5 recycled content, at any rate of two cases for 1989, one
6 for 1990, one for 1991, for kitchen towels, toilet tissue,
7 happy birthday hats and birthday place mats I think they
8 are. It does not tell us the actual quantities.
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10 MR. MORRIS: That was only for the UK I presume?
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12 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, I think so.
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14 THE WITNESS: But do they contain any unrecycled material?
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I suggest you leave it there, Mr. Morris.
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18 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You can go away and think about the
21 ramifications of it, what approach you propose to take. At
22 the moment we have Mr. Van Erp in the witness box and he
23 says he cannot tell us.
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25 MR. MORRIS: I am on 7.13 again. The only question I have on
26 that, it was briefly gone over, transportation packaging
27 was an average recycle content of about 35 per cent.
28 I think that was 1991, was it? It went up to 50 per cent
29 in that year? Is that what you said? I cannot remember
30 now.
31 A. The amount in 1990, over 1990 was around 35 per cent,
32 1991 50 and 1992 I think 71.
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34 Q. So there was no minimum specification for 35 per cent?
35 A. There was a minimum specification for 35 per cent, if
36 I am correct, in the beginning of 1991. There was a
37 minimum specification of 50 per cent at the end of 1991 or
38 beginning of 1992, something like that.
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40 MS. STEEL: On page 7.13 under the transportation packaging
41 section it says: "He recycled content increased from on
42 average less than 35 per cent to about 72 per cent." So if
43 it was less than 35 per cent, presumably, that means there
44 was not actually a specification of 35 per cent at that
45 time?
46 A. There was not during 1990, no. Our first request came
47 in, I think, by the end of 1990.
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49 MR. MORRIS: Does all the transportation packaging -- what
50 transportation packaging does not go through Perseco?
51 A. Any transportation packaging that would be around items
52 that are not handled by Perseco.
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54 Q. So all the items that are handled by Perseco, the transport
55 packaging, is also handled by Perseco?
56 A. Yes.
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58 Q. Is that automatic?
59 A. Well, transportation packaging is, yes. Yes, that is
60 automatic. You cannot transport something without
