Day 032 - 06 Oct 94 - Page 37


     
     1   Q.   -- in that paragraph, specific points?
     2        A.  Yes, I think the basis of it is that there is room for
     3        improvement in the quality of foods typically served at
     4        that time.
     5
     6   Q.   For example, fat contents?
     7        A.  For example, fat content of chips could be changed by
     8        making the chips chunky rather than thin; increase in
     9        dietary fibre could be considered, for example, by
    10        wholemeal buns, salads containing peas, beans, nuts,
    11        carrots and cabbage.  So there are indications there that
    12        changes could be considered which at that time were not
    13        being considered or not overtly being considered.
    14
    15   Q.   The next paragraph is the quality of oil used?
    16        A.  Yes.  Its potential to break down into -- deteriorate
    17        into undesirable products.  I am not sure that is a
    18        particular worry today.
    19
    20   Q.   So this is the British Nutrition Foundation, this is an
    21        industry body, presumably, advising industry largely?
    22        A.  Yes.  I should say it is largely industry financed; it
    23        is not an industry body per se.
    24
    25   Q.   I assume that normally this kind of body, industry body,
    26        is not traditionally a radical or critical organisation of
    27        the food industry?
    28        A.  No.
    29
    30   Q.   It would tend to be a rather cautious body?
    31        A.  I would say exactly that.  I would say it also has the
    32        ear of government fairly frequently in the sense the
    33        government is happy to turn to it for collaborative
    34        projects.  There has been a Ministry of Agriculture
    35        collaboration on the schools' nutrition education
    36        programme with the British Nutrition Foundation.
    37
    38   Q.   If we move on from that document, unless there are any
    39        other points you want to make in that document at all?
    40        A.  I think that is sufficient.
    41
    42   Q.   We will move on from that.  The next part of your
    43        statement on page number -- the pages are not numbered but
    44        the same page refers to a quote from Verner Wheelock?
    45        A.  Yes.
    46
    47   Q.   But just in summary, I believe -----
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where are you now?
    50 
    51   MR. MORRIS:  This is the bottom of the first page of the second 
    52        statement. 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I do not want to be difficult, but I am
    55        anxious, if it is at all possible, that Mr. Lobstein
    56        should be enabled not to have to come back tomorrow.  Your
    57        Lordship has already invited Dr. Lobstein to say whether
    58        his statement should stand as his evidence.  I think it
    59        was Ms. Steel who asked whether he was content that should
    60        be so and he said:  "Yes".  Now if there is any expansion

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