Day 092 - 27 Feb 95 - Page 47
1 Q. I thought these were sheds with walls?
2 A. Yes, they have walls to about a metre height. Then
3 from the metre up there is the screens and there are the
4 curtains.
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6 Q. What the mesh is from a metre up?
7 A. Yes. That is the normal house. There are some
8 variations but that is what we normally have for the units.
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10 MS. STEEL: So some have the mesh and some do not?
11 A. The mesh usually on the up; now, if you travel to other
12 countries it is all mesh.
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14 Q. What, places like Brazil and countries like that where it
15 is much hotter?
16 A. No, not in Brazil, no.
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18 Q. What about within the USA? I mean, within the USA some of
19 them have mesh and some have not?
20 A. Yes, that is correct.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: This is all very interesting but what are we
23 on now with the walls? We were on the lighting. Are we
24 still on lighting or have we gone on to something else?
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26 MS. STEEL: I am just trying to see what the conditions are,
27 actually.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I dare say, but I have bothered to make a
30 list of all the topics I can imagine which are at issue in
31 relation to rearing and slaughter of animals as part of the
32 last week's work. I want to know to which this relates,
33 because we have gone far enough now to know what all the
34 topics of possible criticism, concern, anxiety, call it
35 what you will, are and really to focus the evidence on
36 them. So, for instance, rather than just say: "What
37 happens in the USA?" You can ask, as you have done, about
38 lighting, or you can ask whether they get too hot or too
39 hold. You have asked about debeaking. I think under
40 rearing and slaughter for poultry, pigs and cattle, I have
41 probably got about 40 topics. At the moment, if this is
42 not lighting, help me by telling me what it is.
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44 MS. STEEL: The witness brought it up and it was the first time
45 it has been mentioned. It was brought up in respect of
46 lighting, so I was -----
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You are concentrating on lighting?
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50 MS. STEEL: As I say, it is the first time it was mentioned, so
51 I was trying to see what it was.
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If I am right with my 40 or 50 topics, you
54 have quite enough to keep going on there. If you are
55 exploring, it would help me to know what you are looking
56 for.
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58 MS. STEEL: It is basically, I mean, it was brought up under
59 lighting and I am just continuing on that, really.
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