Day 119 - 02 May 95 - Page 66
1 A. Yes.
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3 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, can I say one thing while we are on
4 this. It is not logical to assume that all these 800 came
5 from crew in this year either.
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7 THE WITNESS: No.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No.
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11 MR. RAMPTON: So a base of 26,000 is perhaps not the right base.
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13 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Morris is entitled to have his try, but
14 of course there is a limit to how big you can make your
15 numbers of managers who have been ex crew members when you
16 have a finite number of managers anyway.
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18 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, quite.
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you have only 1,600 managers you cannot
21 have 5,000 who have come from crew, but I understand your
22 point.
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24 MR. MORRIS: In fact Mr. Rampton made a very helpful point for
25 us -- thanks for that -- which I was going to come on to,
26 which is people in management tend to stay for -- so the
27 turnover rates for management I saw somewhere is something
28 like 20 per cent?
29 A. It is fairly low, 20 per cent, something like that.
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31 Q. Whereas for staff at that time, in 1989 anyway, it was
32 something approaching 200 per cent, crew, sorry. So
33 something like there is a ten times greater turnover of
34 crew than management.
35 A. Part-time workers, well, they are more transient.
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37 Q. Taking everything into consideration, and I am multiplying
38 the crew members by ten to compensate for the managerial
39 turnover rate, I make the percentage of crew at any one
40 time who could be reasonably expected to become managerial
41 staff -- if I can just work this out -- I make it something
42 approximating to 0.3 per cent. I do not know if anyone
43 else is working out the point.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have not. I am not sure, at the end of the
46 day, how far the figures help me because one has to know,
47 for instance, of crew members, how many people have
48 management ambitions in the first place, and I do not
49 suppose there is any way of finding the percentage of those
50 who have management ambitions or develop management
51 ambitions, who become managers. A lot of perfectly worthy
52 people working as crew members might be horrified at the
53 responsibility of management. It is a difficult area,
54 this, to draw any real conclusions.
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56 MR. RAMPTON: In the end, my Lord, it will depend on what your
57 Lordship attributes to the appropriate ----
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59 MR. MORRIS: The reality is if more than 0.3 per cent of the
60 crew workforce wish to be salaried staff they would be in
