Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 27


     
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     2   Q.   Did you recently make a speech to a body known as the
     3        Council for Canadians -- is it?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   Q.   Do you remember saying, in relation to the election, when
     7        you made that speech: "There was no one up from the SEIU.
     8        I guess they taught it was a lost cause and decided to pull
     9        their resources out of it"?  So the SEIU was not there, the
    10        day of the vote?
    11        A.  They were there, but they did not get there until later
    12        in the afternoon.  They were supposed to be there in the
    13        morning, but they did not show up until, like, two or three
    14        in the afternoon.
    15
    16   Q.   The election, the ballot, was a disaster for you and the
    17        union, was it not?
    18        A.  Yes.
    19
    20   Q.   I think it was something like 20 per cent, or slightly
    21        less?
    22        A.  Yes.  I think it was 77 to 19, or something like that.
    23
    24   Q.   Maybe roughly 20 per cent will do -- voted for the union;
    25        is that right?
    26        A.  Pardon me?
    27
    28   Q.   It is right, is it not?  It was a massacre, was it not?
    29        A.  Yes.
    30
    31   Q.   You have come to this court to tell his Lordship that the
    32        reason why it was a massacre was that the crew members were
    33        bribed and intimidated by Cam into voting for him, have you
    34        not?
    35        A.  They were intimidated by management, yes.
    36
    37   Q.   If that were so, the election would be invalidated under
    38        Canadian law, would it not?
    39        A.  Yes; and there was -- had the numbers been a little bit
    40        higher -- because what went on, apparently, in the ballot
    41        room -- you know, I was not there the whole day; this is
    42        what the union had told me -- that management, you know,
    43        they check off whoever comes in to vote and then, when they
    44        swap places for lunch or whatever, they would bring a list
    45        of who had come into vote and they would call the other
    46        people that had not voted, which is, what I have been told
    47        by the union, illegal to do.  So they were going to -- had
    48        the numbers been a little bit higher, probably dispute that
    49        at the Labour Board.
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    51   MR. RAMPTON:  I did not catch that last bit. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Had the numbers been a little bit higher --
    54        is what I understand this, that had the vote been a bit
    55        closer, you think the union may have taken action but,
    56        since it was 80/20, they let it be?
    57        A.  Yes.
    58
    59   MS. STEEL:   Sorry.  Can I say the typing has come out as "duty
    60        that", and it was "dispute that", which is what Mr. Rampton

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