Day 140 - 22 Jun 95 - Page 53


     
     1        A.  Exactly, my Lord.
     2
     3   MS. STEEL:  I do not know because it says: "and violates the
     4        rights of" -- if you leave out "competitive" -- "and
     5        violates the rights of independent business people to pay
     6        fair wages" makes it sounds like they are saying it would
     7        be unfair to increase the wages which is ridiculous.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think we have got bogged down on one
    10        sentence.  This case is not going to be decided on a strict
    11        construction of that.  Mr. Gyham thinks that it would be
    12        unfair on McDonald's franchisees to impose a minimum £5
    13        wage.  Someone who shared PUP's views might not agree with
    14        him, but there we are.
    15
    16   MS. STEEL:  I will not go into the ----
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I would leave it.
    19
    20   MS. STEEL: -- the rest of that paragraph, but there are various
    21        things that I could ask about it.
    22
    23        In the following paragraph he says: "We do recognise the
    24        need for higher paying jobs in our communities".  Would you
    25        agree that you are one of the lower paying jobs in the
    26        community?
    27        A.  No, I do not agree with that.
    28
    29   Q.   You disagree with him there, do you?
    30        A.  No, I do not disagree with him at all.
    31
    32   Q.   The matters that are referred to after that sentence are
    33        not about working at McDonald's, are they?
    34        A.  I think he is talking broader than McDonald's yes.
    35        I think he is talking about both.  These are things that
    36        McDonald's does in regular course in Philadelphia with
    37        regard to its restaurants and he is talking, I believe:
    38        "We need to get other employers involved in this whole
    39        process as well".
    40
    41   Q.   When he says "higher paying", what is he referring to if it
    42        is not higher that McDonald's wages?
    43        A.  I can interpret this sentence many different ways.
    44        I did not write this, so if you want me to speculate.
    45
    46   MR. RAMPTON:  I do not really see why the witness should be
    47        asked to interpret it.
    48
    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If Mr. Stein cannot read Mr. Gyham's mind it
    50        does not show your interpretation and that is it so far as 
    51        he is concerned. 
    52 
    53   MS. STEEL:  I did leave it, I was moving on to something else.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Bear it in mind if you have other questions
    56        to ask on this letter or similar ones.  Purely as a matter
    57        of personal interest, what post does Mr. Gyham hold now?
    58        Is he still with the Corporation?
    59        A.  Yes, he is, my Lord.  He is coming into the Corporate
    60        office from Philadelphia as a director which is a higher

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