Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 17


     
     1        and testify.
     2
     3   Q.   If you do not know the answer to my next question, please
     4        say so.  It became apparent to the union, did it not, that
     5        it was going to lose the application because the
     6        intervenors were telling the truth?
     7        A.  No.
     8
     9   Q.   Why, then, did it agree to a ballot?  Do you know?
    10        A.  The ballot, I believe, this time -- and, again, I was
    11        not there at the Labour Board, but it was put forth by the
    12        chairperson of the Labour Board; and I believe he was
    13        saying that there was no end in sight, because it looked as
    14        though McDonald's or Cam Ballantyne's lawyer was going to
    15        continuously bring down each and every witness, or each and
    16        every employee.
    17
    18   Q.   He was quite entitled to do that, was he not?
    19        A.  I suppose so.
    20
    21   Q.   Can you look at your statement, please, second page, last
    22        paragraph, last sentence.  Read the whole paragraph to
    23        yourself, and I will read out the last two sentences.
    24        A.  Are you looking at "We began the Labour Board
    25        proceedings"?
    26
    27   Q.   Yes, that is the one, if you would like it read that to
    28        yourself; and then I am going to read out the last two
    29        sentences. (Pause)  All right?
    30        A.  No.  (Pause)  OK.
    31
    32   Q.   You wrote: "Cam paid his witnesses $102 a day.  The longer
    33        the story, the longer you testified, the more you got
    34        paid."  You are intending to suggest by those two sentences
    35        that Cam bribed the witnesses, are you not?
    36        A.  No.  What I am saying is that, you know, he had to pay
    37        for their travel expenses, I believe; and what had happened
    38        is, in the crew room, Andy Davidson was going on about: "If
    39        you make up a longer story, you are going to get paid more,
    40        so you might as well stay down there as long as you can."
    41
    42   Q.   You got paid, yourself, when you went down, and you were
    43        not even giving evidence?
    44        A.  Yes, I did.
    45
    46   Q.   Yes.  You did not mention that in your statement, did you?
    47        A.  No.
    48
    49   Q.   You did not mention that you knew perfectly well that these
    50        were legitimate -- indeed, compulsory -- payments to 
    51        witnesses under subpoena, did you? 
    52        A.  I know that they were. 
    53
    54   Q.   Why did you not put it in your statement?
    55        A.  I did not think to.
    56
    57   Q.   No.  It would not have looked sinister if you had put it
    58        in, would it?
    59        A.  I do not know what you mean by that.
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