Day 275 - 08 Jul 96 - Page 33


     
     1        people taking action for themselves about things that
     2        concerned themselves instead of leaving it up to people in
     3        positions of power to do things for them.
     4
     5             The third paragraph about where it is recounted about
     6        Mr. Gravett having spoken to the film crew and
     7        Mr. Pocklington describes him as a spokesman for such a
     8        group, then it goes on to say, "It was pointed out that the
     9        views expressed by him were his own and not those of the
    10        group in general, this fact seemed to be important to
    11        several of those present".  That was my experience as
    12        well.  Obviously, I was not at this particular meeting but
    13        it was my experience that if somebody went along and spoke
    14        on a particular topic which was a campaign that had been
    15        done in the group's name, or talked about anything and
    16        associated themselves with the group, that they were
    17        speaking on their own behalf about their own views, they
    18        were not speaking on the behalf of everybody else, and they
    19        were not representing the views of everybody else
    20        necessarily.
    21
    22             I mean, I dare say there was overlap on some points
    23        but there certainly were areas that, you know, people did
    24        have different views on.  For example, Mr. Gravett
    25        mentioned about some of the people in the group being
    26        pacifists and others not.  There were people there who were
    27        very strict pacifists, who did not believe that violence
    28        should be used even in self-defence, even if people were
    29        being attacked or something like that, you know, and they
    30        were completely against any war, defending yours in a war,
    31        or whatever, by violent means.  And then there were other
    32        people who did not hold that view.  Obviously, no one was
    33        in favour of violence apart from in self-defence, but there
    34        were those differences in the group.  There were other
    35        differences in the group as well.
    36
    37             Yes, the next one is page 119.  24th May 1990,
    38        Mr. Pocklington.  Yes, just in the third paragraph, about
    39        the phone bill because I am going to go on to what
    40        Mr. Bishop said, but basically the situation was that I was
    41        at this time a signatory to the account, although I think I
    42        became a signatory some time in spring 1990.  Mr. Morris
    43        was never a signatory to the account, as far as I know
    44        anyway.  He certainly was not a signatory at this time.
    45
    46             On page 120, which is the following page, the second
    47        paragraph.  This is the same meeting where Mr. Bishop says
    48        I arrived with a request from Mr. Morris about to know what
    49        was going on about the group.  And thinking back about
    50        this, I actually think that what is referred to in this
    51        second paragraph here is the Trafalgar Square defendant's
    52        campaign, which was obviously set up after the
    53        demonstration against the poll tax, and Mr. Morris was very
    54        involved with the Trafalgar Square defendant's campaign and
    55        I think that he handed me a leaflet.  I have got some vague
    56        recollection that he handed me a leaflet about it and asked
    57        me to raise it at the Greenpeace meeting, would Greenpeace
    58        affiliate to the Trafalgar Square defendant's campaign and
    59        send a donation?  Because, obviously, that was something he
    60        was heavily involved in at the time.

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