Day 256 - 04 Jun 96 - Page 79
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Divider 12 there. Behind it is the Willett
3 Hunter Cohort Studies and the European Journal of Cancer
4 Prevention. Do you have those?
5 A. Yes.
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7 MR. RAMPTON: These are quite up to date figures, it would
8 appear, in table 5, Professor. Do you have table 5 there?
9 A. Are we talking about the Hunter paper now?
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11 Q. I am sorry, no, I was talking about the Hill paper which
12 should precede that.
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14 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It should be in front of that.
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16 MR. RAMPTON: I am on page 11.
17 A. No.
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19 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you look behind Hunter then and see if it
20 is there?
21 A. Yes, you are quite right. Which page?
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23 MR. RAMPTON: Page 11, please.
24 A. Page 11, yes.
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26 Q. There is a table 5, "Mortality from cancer at various sites
27 in men in various European countries"; yes?
28 A. Yes.
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30 Q. It says that the data come from something written by Levy
31 and Others in 1990 and the fourth column along is,
32 according to the key, 150 to 154 cancers of the large
33 bowel; yes?
34 A. Yes.
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36 Q. You see at the bottom, it goes oro, pharynx, oesophagus,
37 stomach and then large bowel?
38 A. Right.
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40 Q. You will see, for all the butter and meat they eat, the
41 French have an index of 21.2 and, my Lord, I take it that
42 these are numbers per 100,000, but I do not know. Would
43 you be able to help us with that, Professor?
44 A. I think that is correct. It is annualised.
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46 Q. Right. Germany has 22.5. At the bottom of the page
47 England and Wales have 21.5, Scotland has 22.3, and
48 Northern Ireland 25 exactly, which averages out for the
49 United Kingdom at about 23, which is roughly the same as
50 Germany and a bit more than France. Notice, however,
51 Professor, that in Greece the figure is 6.6.
52 A. Yes.
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54 Q. In Spain it is 16.3. Is olive oil the whole reason for
55 those differences?
56 A. Well, as I said before, in China we put comparable
57 figures in there much less than that. We can get down
58 close to zero in rural China in the first instance. In the
59 second instance, the reduction in colon cancer rates in
60 Greece and, to some extent, Spain, although I am not sure
