Day 081 - 31 Jan 95 - Page 38


     
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     2   Q.   So again the cooking is very important?
     3        A.  Yes.
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     5   Q.   Can we also look at the McKey's thing, their guidelines,
     6        say for E.coli, if we look at the second column, of the
     7        tests, of the five, the N equals is the number that is
     8        tested -----
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    10   MR. RAMPTON:  I believe that Mr. Morris has confused the witness
    11        by asking him to look at yellow volume VII, tab 1F.  In
    12        fact, Mr. Morris is referring to pink VIII, tab 3.
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    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think actually he has got open the pink
    15        one.
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    17   MR. RAMPTON:  Has he?  That is my fault then.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I did wonder which one you were on.
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  I thought it was the same one.
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    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, you had open the Sun Valley one as well
    24        which was also a McDonald's specification.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  No, I have moved on from that.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You have moved back to the pink one.
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    30   MR. MORRIS:  Yes.
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    32   MR. JUSTICE BELL (To the witness):  You have the microbiological
    33        guidelines more for McKey?
    34        A.  Yes.
    35
    36   Q.   Not the Sun Valley one?
    37        A.  No.
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    39   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  So if we look at those guidelines
    40        there, we notice that over the page it has what the "n",
    41         "c", "m" and "M" mean. "n = number of samples to be taken"
    42        and "c = number of samples permitted to fail".  What does
    43        that mean "permitted to fail"?
    44        A.  It means that it does not pass.
    45
    46   Q.   So, in other words, E.coli, of five tested, five patties or
    47        whatever that are tested, two might fail of that batch but
    48        the batch would still be satisfactory as long as it
    49        averaged out that those five samples averaged out as
    50        "fairly satisfactory" or whatever? 
    51        A.  That is what I understand to be the meaning. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Was that actually put to Mr. Walker?
    54
    55   MR. MORRIS:  No, because I did not notice this.  It is on the
    56        form.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is fair enough, but you are asking
    59        someone who had nothing to do with the making of the
    60        document to read it as you could ask me to read it.

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