Day 259 - 10 Jun 96 - Page 41
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2 MR. MORRIS: I think if this evidence is going to have any
3 weight at all, we ought to get those documents.
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5 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. I just do not think that is relevant one
6 way or the other.
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8 MR. MORRIS: They are more direct than hearsay, if they are
9 written by Mr. Mills.
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11 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I refuse that application. I do not want to
12 hear any argument about it. It is pointless just having
13 that kind of letter. I listened to a year's evidence on
14 employment, and that is not going to help me.
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16 MR. MORRIS: If the views of Mr. Mills are not relevant -----
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Carry on with your cross-examination, please,
19 Mr. Morris.
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21 MR. MORRIS: (To the witness) Did Mr. Mills or his department
22 ever do a systematic sample of McDonald's payment records?
23 A. A sort of random check?
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25 Q. Not a random -- a proper systematic check? Wages
26 inspectors can do that, can they not? They can choose a
27 company and do a proper check which will have statistical
28 significance?
29 A. They can.
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31 Q. They can?
32 A. They did -- he did.
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34 Q. Did they do that at McDonald's?
35 A. He did.
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37 Q. Was the report given to you of this systematic
38 statistically significant check?
39 A. No. He would only have needed to make a report if he
40 had found anything untoward; and he did not. He was always
41 very happy.
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43 Q. So, he did a report to you saying "I have done a...."
44 A. He would verbally say to me, "Everything is fine", such
45 as the DHS did at the time, such as the Inland Revenue, if
46 they chose to come and look at our records. It was very
47 much the same way from the Wages Inspectorate. He would
48 come and look and go away contented, or, if he found
49 something, he would have brought it to my attention.
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51 Q. When did he do this systematic statistically significant
52 check, or is this what he did every time he visited?
53 A. On either of the occasions that I have said that he
54 visited the office.
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56 Q. On those occasions?
57 A. On those occasions.
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59 Q. So, he thought that the potential for problems was so great
60 that every time he visited he would do a statistically
