Day 251 - 17 May 96 - Page 22


     
     1        In '71/72, the area around Goiania was already cleared in
     2        the immediate vicinities.  When you came to the area around
     3        Goias, which was the old State capital, that was cleared.
     4        Coming up to before Jucara, from Jucara right the way
     5        across the Araguaia Valley River until you came to the
     6        Chapade dos Guimaraes, that area is an older...  That is
     7        just east of Cuiaba.  Around Cuiaba, that is an older
     8        clearing but the whole region from Jucara right through to
     9        Chapade dos Guimaraes there would have been some limited
    10        clearance just around the road.
    11
    12   Q.   Let me put the question again.  As I understand it -- I do
    13        not even know if the road was there -- but if you were
    14        following the line of the road you would be getting into
    15        dense forest in 1971/1972, as I understand it, around
    16        Jucara; is that right?
    17        A.  Yes, that is right.
    18
    19   Q.   Where would you be coming out of it, Primavera do Leste or
    20        where?
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  She said Chapada dos Guimaraes.
    23        A.  I cannot be absolutely positive coming out the other
    24        side, all I can remember is that around Cuiaba the area was
    25        cleared when I first went there but there was dense forest
    26        up to, say, or going by bus as I travelled then, up to
    27        about 20 minutes, half an hour, before you actually got to
    28        Cuiaba.  I remember it as being just areas of jungle, the
    29        area being cleared around the cities, the towns, and
    30        everything in between being, in this region, pretty dense
    31        forest.
    32
    33   MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am going to rise there for 5 minutes.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:  Did you find ----
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, no, let us have a break there.  We can
    38        reflect on the answers we have just heard, and we can
    39        continue at 10 past.
    40
    41                        (Short adjournment)
    42
    43   MR. MORRIS:  If you can just point out Chapada dos Guimaraes so
    44        that we can see where that is.  It is just above the 'A' of
    45        Cuiaba?
    46        A.  That is right, down there.
    47
    48   Q.   Is what you said was, 20 minute from Cuiaba you start
    49        getting into dense humid forest?
    50        A.  Yes. 
    51 
    52   Q.   Or, you would have done in the early 70's? 
    53        A.  Nowadays a lot more of this region has been cleared but
    54        in the early 1970s, as I recall, it was pretty dense forest
    55        until around Jubawas(?).
    56
    57   Q.   So until around what?
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, it is perfectly clear.  It is going from
    60        east to west, that is, by Miss Branford's recollection she

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