Day 258 - 07 Jun 96 - Page 60


     
     1        that they even necessarily got the demonstration at all.
     2
     3   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Nicholson remembers the video monitors on, on
     4        that demonstration in October 1989.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, not on the demonstration.  That is where
     7        I think we are -- (to the witness):  Are you saying they
     8        were on the demonstration?
     9        A.  No, they were switched -----
    10
    11   Q.   Or are they the kind of video cameras I walk past at least
    12        twice a day and even in my own chambers?  When ---
    13        A.  They are awful, yes.
    14
    15   Q.   -- someone at the top of the staircase was targeted by the
    16        IRA, I had to walk past them several times a day, and they
    17        just focus on a particular place or within a particular
    18        span and someone can watch and monitor?
    19        A.  That is right.  They are very, very limited in their
    20        use.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  One of them, I think one of the photographs
    23        actually shows it, is pointing towards exactly that area
    24        where people would gather for a protest?
    25        A.  No, as a matter of fact, that one is pointing at the
    26        entrance to our underground car park.
    27
    28   Q.   Yes, which would take in where the cars come out and go
    29        into the street?
    30        A.  Well, it would be able to swing part of the way round,
    31        but it would not cover the street.  It is focused on the --
    32        that is a camera focused on the car park where we feel we
    33        are vulnerable.
    34
    35   Q.   Right.  But your security cameras will include an angle
    36        which covered the front entrance and that part, would it
    37        not, because that is a likely place for security lapses, an
    38        entrance way into the main parts of the building?
    39        A.  I am not quite sure what the coverage is on these
    40        cameras.  I have got to tell you, you know, they have been
    41        introduced since I was the security manager.
    42
    43   Q.   But it would be pretty incompetent to have security -----
    44        A.  They would cover the vulnerable parts of the building.
    45
    46   Q.   Yes, including the entrances, for example?
    47        A.  Yes, but that is not an entrance.  That is no longer
    48        used.
    49
    50   Q.   The front door is not an entrance? 
    51        A.  That is not a front door.  That is never used, that 
    52        entrance.  The front door is in the middle of the visitors' 
    53        car park.
    54
    55   Q.   You are telling me that nobody ever goes in and out of the
    56        steps up to the double doors?
    57        A.  No, never.
    58
    59   Q.   Never?
    60        A.  That used to be the front entrance when the building

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