Day 260 - 11 Jun 96 - Page 71
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2 MR. RAMPTON: Can I add this so that the Defendants can tell
3 Mr. Hall. This I did not have a chance to explain to him.
4 I told him, I think, and I say it now -- I repeat it --
5 that the basis on which the notes which have been disclosed
6 have been blanked out was relevance only. That was so at
7 stage one. It was so at stage two after the Defendants
8 -----
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I can see it might be difficult to argue
11 non-waiver there if a lot of the note has gone in.
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13 MR. RAMPTON: The second thing is this. We were careful, even
14 where we included stuff that was marginally relevant, we
15 were quite careful not to include anything which was
16 obviously irrelevant but which might embarrass the
17 Defendants, and I say that sincerely, not because your
18 Lordship will be prejudiced by it -- that thought did not
19 even actually enter our heads -- but because if notice were
20 given to it in open court, we know, for example, that
21 Ms. Steel is sensitive about her telephone number. That
22 was one reason why that was originally blanked out.
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24 MR. MORRIS: Blanked out -- that is rubbish.
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26 MS. STEEL: Can I say -----
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28 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not want to go into the argument any
29 further now. We will start with a clean field on
30 Thursday. My only point in raising this is to make sure
31 someone tells Mr. Hall, because I know from my own
32 experience if you come into something which has been
33 running this long it is jolly difficult to get hold of all
34 the points that may arise and he may not be aware of that
35 one. That is all.
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37 MS. STEEL: Right. If I just say in respect of what Mr. Rampton
38 has just said, if there are parts that might be -----
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have said that before, that you will not
41 be embarrassed.
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43 MS. STEEL: Not about my phone number. If I say that if that is
44 their concern, then they can just disclose them to us and
45 then it is up to us whether we want to refer to them and,
46 if we do, then you can have copies. But, I mean, you have
47 actually said on previous occasions that, you know, you do
48 not look at things unless you are directed to look at
49 them. Say, for example, with regards to the rest of the
50 notes, you do not need to have a copy unless we do want to
51 refer to them.
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Well, you have made your point about that.
54 What you are saying is if the blanking out is for reasons
55 of your sensitivity, then you say you would like to see it
56 and then you can decide whether you want it in the bundle
57 or not.
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59 MR. RAMPTON: I would not have blanked out anything that was
60 relevant on the grounds of sensitivity. I would not be
