Day 120 - 03 May 95 - Page 57


     
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     2   Q.   You are honestly saying you have never heard of any
     3        instances of that happening?
     4        A.  I am saying that, yes, honestly.
     5
     6   Q.   You have read the pleadings.  You have not read the
     7        statements of our witnesses ---
     8        A.  No.
     9
    10   Q.   -- but a number of them who are either under 18 or were
    11        working with people who are under 18 say that when it got
    12        past either 10 o'clock or midnight, depending on whether
    13        they were male or female, they were told to clock off, and
    14        then they continued working and the payments for the hours
    15        worked were made under "miscellaneous" payments or "bonus"
    16        payments; is that something that would concern you?
    17        A.  Of course it is.
    18
    19   Q.   What action would be taken in those cases if you found that
    20        happening?
    21        A.  I have never known it, so I have to go back to the
    22        answer I gave you for the last question.
    23
    24   Q.   Which was what, sorry?
    25        A.  Depending upon the frequency, the severity, I would get
    26        a Field Personnel Officer to enquire into it.
    27
    28   Q.   If it was a few times, then it would be okay, but if
    29        it  ---
    30        A.  No, I did not say that.
    31
    32   Q.   -- was any more regular than that you ------
    33        A.  No, I did not say that.  I said I would enquire into
    34        it, and I would take the appropriate steps.
    35
    36   Q.   What would you do if it happened once then?
    37        A.  It has never happened, so I do not know what I would
    38        do.  I would have to look into the individual case.
    39
    40   Q.   How would you know whether it had happened or not?
    41
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What you mean is it has never happened, to
    43        your knowledge ---
    44        A.  To my knowledge, yes.
    45
    46   Q.   -- that is what you are saying?
    47        A.  Yes, so I do not know what action I would take.  It
    48        would depend upon the circumstances.
    49
    50   MS. STEEL:  The only reason that I asked about what you would do 
    51        if that happened once was because your original answer was 
    52        that, depending on the frequency and the severity, you 
    53        would get a Field Personnel Officer to enquire into it.
    54        A.  Mmm.
    55
    56   Q.   How frequent would it have to be?
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I just ask you where we are going here,
    59        because I am concerned to what extent it really is going to
    60        matter at the end of this case what Mr. Nicholson had

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