Day 020 - 28 Jul 94 - Page 22


     
     1        recall of doing the experiment, that high frequencies were
              providing a satisfactory stun.  They were stunning well,
     2        if you see what I mean, as a generalisation.
 
     3   Q.   But you do not know about the time span, how long that
              lasted?
     4        A.  No.  We must have the data in front of us to draw any
              conclusions.
     5
         Q.   Going back to your statement on page 233, you might have
     6        different page numbers -- internal page 7.
              A.  Yes.
     7
         Q.   The third full paragraph down:  "0.7 per cent of the birds
     8        showed a reflex response".  How many birds did you test
              for that?
     9        A.  It would have been 100 or more, I believe.  Yes, it
              would have been 100.  I think that is very likely.
    10
         Q.   More than 100?
    11        A.  It would have been 100, I think it is likely it would
              have been 100.
    12
         Q.   If it is 100, you would not get 0.7?
    13        A.  Yes.  That is true. It would have been 100 or more
              then.  Yes, I take your point, but that sort of test can
    14        be done very rapidly, and so I would have used that sort
              of number.
    15
         Q.   In the codes of practice for the Welfare of Poultry at
    16        Slaughter in tab H?
              A.  Yes.
    17
         Q.   The last sentence in recommendation 33 is:  "Birds passing
    18        through the stunner without being stunned may indicate
              that the stunner is not functioning properly or is
    19        incorrectly set up for the kind of bird being
              slaughtered.  In these circumstances, the problem must be
    20        rectified immediately."   So, this was something that
              ought to be seen to very rapidly.  It is a matter of
    21        concern?
              A.  It is a matter of concern.
    22
         Q.   Right.  Because 0.7 birds would represent about 942 birds
    23        a day?
              A.  OK.
    24
         Q.   That is based on 35 million being killed a year?
    25        A.  It might be relevant to ask why it happens.  It is up
              to you. 
    26 
         Q.   I am not sure. 
    27
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is the ---?
    28        A.  The reason I say that is, can anything be done about
              it?  So, it is relevant to ask why it happens, then the
    29        follow on question would be:  Can anything be done about
              it?  Shall I pursue that?
    30
         MS. STEEL:   Do you know why it happens?

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