Day 258 - 07 Jun 96 - Page 59
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2 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Are you leaving this particular memo now, or
3 not? Just everyone sit down for a moment. There is
4 something which has nothing to do with this case I want to
5 attend to.
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7 MR. MORRIS: OK.
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9 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes?
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11 MR. MORRIS: (To the witness): So, the main purpose of the
12 security or investigation efforts in your view for this
13 demonstration, October '89, was to get good pictures
14 of-----
15 A. Of as many people who were involved as possible.
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17 Q. Right. The video cameras that are at the Headquarters?
18 A. Yes.
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20 Q. They would be routinely used for protests at Headquarters?
21 A. No.
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23 Q. They just happened to be on in 1990, 1991, and -----
24 A. Well, I think they were on in 1989. I believe when
25 I went down and spoke with Special Branch officer, they
26 were using the room in which the monitors are in and it is
27 my memory they were on, but they are not very good. You
28 cannot get good pictures on them.
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30 Q. So, they were being used on that day, but -----
31 A. It is my memory that they were. I think Terry Carroll
32 was wrong in that respect. I feel quite sure, when I went
33 into the room and spoke to the Special Branch officer
34 first, the monitors were on. But you do not get very
35 good-----
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37 Q. It would be surprising not to have them on for something
38 like that?
39 A. You do not get very good pictures from them.
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41 Q. Right. We have seen them for the other years, anyway, have
42 we not?
43 A. Yes -- no, I do not think you have. The videos that we
44 took in 1990 and '91 were hand-held videos.
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46 MR. MORRIS: Yes, sorry.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: They are different things, are they not?
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50 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, if the security cameras had video taped
51 anything of any relevance, the tapes would have been
52 disclosed.
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54 MR. MORRIS: Can we ask for disclosure of those?
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56 MR. RAMPTON: I do not see the relevance of it.
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58 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Rampton seems very worried about this.
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I do not think he is. I do not understand
