Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 28


     
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     2   Q.   He had found out that there were people trying to organise
     3        a union; is that correct?
     4        A.  Yes.
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     6   Q.   I am trying to get on top of this.  As soon as he found
     7        out, he invited day staff into his office one by one to
     8        "chat", you said?
     9        A.  That was also the day that a Head office lady from
    10        McDonald's personnel was sent down.  I think her name was
    11        Marion Drummond.
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    13   Q.   Was that the same day?
    14        A.  I believe so, yes.
    15
    16   Q.   Did either of them ask to speak to you?
    17        A.  No.
    18
    19   Q.   What was the atmosphere like while this was going on?  You
    20        said this had never happened at McDonald's before?
    21        A.  Yes.  From my understanding, people were pretty
    22        nervous, because they had never heard of this
    23        Marion Drummond woman from Head Office personnel, coming
    24        down to speak to them.  So they knew something was
    25        obviously up, because of the union drive; and what I gather
    26        from these women that told me about this is that, when they
    27        were in the office with Cam or being interviewed by
    28        Marion Drummond, she never said the word "union", or he
    29        never said the word "union", because it is illegal for them
    30        to do so, but they hinted about management and crew
    31        relations.
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    33   Q.   Do you know what day this was, which day of the week?  Is
    34        this around the time or after the application, was it?
    35        A.  Let me think for a second.  I have a feeling that it
    36        was probably after, but I do not want to say that for sure.
    37
    38   Q.   So it was around the time of the application?
    39        A.  It was within a few, like, two or three days, not
    40        counting the weekends; like, either the Monday or Tuesday
    41        after, or the Thursday or Friday before.  But I cannot say
    42        for sure.  I do not remember.
    43
    44   Q.   Was it before the Tuesday, October 5th crew meeting held by
    45        Cam?
    46        A.  Yes, yes, it was.
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    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You cannot remember whether it was just
    49        before or just after the application?
    50        A.  Just after; but I know it was not that weekend. 
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    52   MR. MORRIS:  It was not on the Saturday or Sunday? 
    53        A.  No, it was not.
    54
    55   Q.   Now, you have said about an anti-union petition
    56        circulating?
    57        A.  Yes.
    58
    59   Q.   Was management involved or not involved with this petition;
    60        or which management were involved, if they were?

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