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     1        replacement for other meats, but it is completely out of
     2        the league of the NEW FOUR FOOD GROUPS", those are your
     3        New Four Food Groups?
     4        A.  The New Four Food Groups might be characterised as
     5        being something that was unveiled by myself, Dr. Denis
     6        Burkitt, Dr. Colin Campbell and Dr. Oliver Alabaster in
     7        1991 which, I believe, is described in the introduction of
     8        this volume.
     9
    10   Q.   They do not include any animal products, whether finned,
    11        feathered or footed, I mean, no meat, no poultry, no fish?
    12        A.  The concept of the New Four Food Groups is not to
    13        exclude all of those, but simply the basis of the diet
    14        should be grains, legumes, vegetables and fruits.
    15        However, in this section I describe the risks associated
    16        with meat, poultry and fish and suggest that the reader
    17        avoid them.
    18
    19   Q.   You do.  "All fish contain cholesterol and fat including
    20        saturated fat".  As a statement of unvarnished truth, in
    21        one sense, Dr. Barnard, I cannot disagree with that, but
    22        it needs qualification, does it not?  The fats which fish
    23        contain are not the same as those which meat contains, are
    24        they?
    25        A.  Their concern of this was that this relates to a
    26        number of different factors.
    27
    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Might I suggest that you answer the
    29        question, but then do not hesitate to explain the matter
    30        further.
    31        A.  OK.
    32
    33   MR. RAMPTON:  Sometimes, Dr. Barnard, you will perceive that
    34        I have asked a question which you think is unfair.  If so,
    35        please say so.  If, on the other hand, there is an answer
    36        to my question but it is one that needs qualification,
    37        then please answer it.
    38        A.  I will try to be more direct.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  The answer to many questions may be "yes,
    41        but ...".  If that is so, say "yes", and then give us the
    42        "buts".  Do you understand?
    43        A.  Yes, I will try.
    44
    45   MR. RAMPTON:  Is there a "but" -- the answer to my question
    46        might be, yes, that at any rate many of the fats contained
    47        in fish are not the same as those to be found in meat.  Is
    48        that right, as a preliminary?  Is that right?
    49        A.  Could you repeat the question, please?
    50 
    51   Q.   Many of the fats to be found in fish are not to be found 
    52        in meat? 
    53        A.  In general, yes.
    54
    55   Q.   In general, yes.  Then you go on: "As noted in Chapter 1,
    56        the fish oils that were once in vogue have been found to
    57        actually encourage the production of cancer causing
    58        free-radicals."  I promise you we are going to go back to
    59        chapter 1 where you deal with this question in more
    60        detail.  What I want to ask you -- I want to ask two

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