Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 48


     
     1        came across in some container vessel at some time may not
     2        be of any real significance.  I mean, if you have some
     3        reason to believe it went on for a long time and the
     4        contents, the material was such as to affect the overall
     5        use of recycled material, then by all means bat on, but
     6        think about what you are hoping to achieve.
     7
     8   MS. STEEL:  I have not really got much more on this particular
     9        line anyway.  So, are you aware of that having happened?
    10        A.  For the clam shell, foam clam shell, since that was
    11        such a big project to switch over from in Germany which was
    12        planned quite carefully, I would have expected that hardly
    13        happened there at all because the production will have been
    14        slowed down at that time before.
    15
    16   Q.   Do you know whether it happened when the USA got rid of
    17        foam?
    18        A.  Whether we got any of their foam?
    19
    20   Q.   Yes.
    21        A.  I would expect to not because they used, I think they
    22        used a different, but again that was before my time, but
    23        I thought they used a different shape of clam shell than we
    24        do here in Europe, in the UK.
    25
    26   Q.   When HCFCs were being phased out, some countries stopped
    27        using them earlier than other countries, did they not?
    28        A.  Yes, basically some suppliers stopped using them
    29        earlier than some others.
    30
    31   Q.   Is it the case that some of those packaging items made with
    32        HCFCs got shipped to other countries that were not phasing
    33        them out so early, the ones that were left over from
    34        countries that were phasing them out?
    35        A.  No, because the only country, to my knowledge, that
    36        actually used HCFC -- no, there were two countries that
    37        actually used HCFC, to my knowledge, which are Hungary for
    38        a very brief period of time and Turkey, and Hungary at a
    39        certain time decided to phase out and they just used up
    40        their stock what they had and then no longer -- then it was
    41        no longer used that came from a local supplier.  The same
    42        thing happened in Turkey.  They just -- they continued
    43        actually to work with the same supplier, but they just used
    44        up the stock of one product and from February onwards went
    45        on to use this new product with the alternative foam --
    46        blowing agent, sorry.
    47
    48   Q.   When most of the European countries phased out foam, got
    49        rid of foam, did some of the packaging with HCFCs get
    50        shipped to Asian countries? 
    51        A.  When HCFCs were phased out of? 
    52 
    53   Q.   Of the foam in most of the countries in Europe?
    54        A.  I would not know that one because that all happened
    55        before my time.  I would not expect to because I do not
    56        think there was a lot of trade going on between Perseco
    57        Europe or the European suppliers and Asia Pacific.
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  I just wanted to clarify something about Europe.
    60        Perseco's definition of Europe is your sphere of operation,

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