Day 290 - 30 Oct 96 - Page 37


     
     1   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, just pause.  (Pause) You say that is in
     2        his statement?
     3
     4   MS. STEEL:   Yes.
     5
     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.  Well, I did not make notes of the
     7        numbers, just of various of the practices.
     8
     9   MS. STEEL:   Right.  Definitely the - actually, no, it was
    10        raised at some point in the-----
    11
    12   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Very well.  (Pause).  Yes.
    13
    14   MS. STEEL:   Dr. Gregory had spent, I think, one and a quarter
    15        hours watching various processes at the slaughter house.
    16        He described how, when the top deck of the pig transporter
    17        was unloaded, the pigs slid down the ramp.  They were on
    18        their haunches as they came down.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   18, 34, was it?   Day 18, day 20, page 61?
    21
    22   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  Day 20, page 61 is the one I am on.  I was
    23        looking for the final part.  Yes.  On page 62 I asked him
    24        whether or not they preferred to go on their haunches or on
    25        their legs.
    26
    27   MR JUSTICE BELL:  "Hydraulic levels mean you have to coerce the
    28        pigs.  The amount of coercion was low", he said.
    29
    30   MS. STEEL:   That is actually not quite.  When I asked about
    31        whether or not they liked sliding down from the top deck,
    32        he said, "They like to walk and they like to run, I do not
    33        know of any preference in behaviour in terms of sliding."
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It would be speculating to say whether they
    36        did or did not enjoy it.
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:   Yes.  I would say it was probably pretty unlikely
    39        that they enjoyed sliding down the ramp.
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well -----
    42
    43   MS. STEEL:   It is not the most important point.  I mean, the
    44        points about the hydraulic levels in some of the
    45        transporters, Dr. Gregory said one of the big advantages of
    46        the hydraulic lifts is that it reduces the need for
    47        coercion on the part of the person who is driving the
    48        animals, you do not have to bully the pigs so much to get
    49        out.  So, obviously, in his opinion, when you do not have a
    50        hydraulic lift you may very well have to bully the pig to 
    51        get it out of the truck, the lorry. 
    52 
    53   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Did he actually say that?
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:   He said, "You do not have to bully the pig so much
    56        to get out if you have the hydraulic lift."  Day 20, page
    57        62, line 24.
    58
    59   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Yes.
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