Day 062 - 06 Dec 94 - Page 64


     
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     2   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you should look into it, first of
     3        all, because the only point you have raised is the
     4        percentage of PI and PC ones.  I do not know what will
     5        happen when Mr. Van Erp goes away.  He may find that 350 of
     6        the 400 sheets had information on it; he may find that four
     7        did.  I just do not know.  Can you remember?
     8        A.  Quite some forms did have information on them, on what
     9        percentage was PI,PC.
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    11   Q.   Look into it.
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    13   MR. MORRIS:  I think he said there was something like 100 to 150
    14        sheets and some had four or five items.
    15        A.  Yes.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You just said now, I know you asked 150
    18        suppliers, but you said there were about 400?
    19        A.  We have got 400 items -- we have got about 50
    20        suppliers.  Some suppliers have actually got a few of these
    21        documents.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, I understand.
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    25   MR. MORRIS:  So it may not be more than, maybe, 40 sheets or
    26        something that actually have recycled percentage, or 50
    27        sheets.  I mean, I do not see -----
    28        A.  They will all have a statement on the recycled
    29        contents.
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    31   Q.   Yes, but not the PI PC?
    32        A.  But not the PI PC.
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    34   Q.   I would suggest that the most accurate and least time
    35        consuming way in terms of inside the court would be to have
    36        the actual sheets, then we could study them ourselves.
    37        Because also, if it is after Mr. Van Erp has left the
    38        witness box, we will not be able to cross-examine him on
    39        them, or we do not really want to bring him back to
    40        cross-examine him on those; if we had the documents, then
    41        we would not need to.
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    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do that, if you will, please, Mr. Van Erp.
    44        Can you arrange that -- do you want the ones with the PI PC
    45        split on only or do you want the others as well?
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    47   MR. MORRIS:  That is the one we are specifically interested in
    48        but we have not the information.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I know you are, but it is not going to tell 
    51        you --- 
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    53   MR. MORRIS:  No.
    54
    55   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  -- you will only see the number of items
    56        there are in relation to those suppliers.  So, unless you
    57        see all the rest as well you will not get any idea of what
    58        the proportions are.
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    60   MR. MORRIS:  It may be better just to have all documents.  150

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