Day 164 - 26 Sep 95 - Page 53


     
     1        and your Lordship can look at them tomorrow.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.
     4
     5   MR. RAMPTON:  Your Lordship should also know this -- I
     6        had forgotten to say this and meant to -- which, looked at
     7        superficially, is a point against me but perhaps on further
     8        consideration is not, it is that when the original batches
     9        of notes were disclosed, I think it was Mr. Clare's notes
    10        originally, I think it is right we did not do any blanking
    11        out.  It was only with the experience of the way in which
    12        this case has been conducted, I am afraid I decided that a
    13        strict view should be taken and that the blanking out
    14        should occur.
    15
    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So the Defendants should have a copy of
    17        Mr. Clare's notes?
    18
    19   MR. RAMPTON:  The first set of Mr. Clare's notes which they
    20        originally had with Mr. Clare's first statement which were
    21        for a particular set of occasions have not been blanked
    22        out.
    23
    24   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  In your own interests, I think you should
    25        look at those and see whether any of the blanked out parts
    26         -- have blanked out copies of the meetings referred to in
    27        Mr. Clare's first statement now been done?
    28
    29   MR. RAMPTON:  No.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So they are complete?
    32
    33   MR. RAMPTON:  They have just been left as served.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I see.  Very well.
    36
    37   MR. RAMPTON:  One can see, if it be necessary, but in due course
    38        one can see quite how much material is in those original
    39        notes which really are not of any interest at all in this
    40        case.  Anyhow, my Lord, I do not desire to say anything
    41        more about that for the moment.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Do you want to say anything in reply?
    44
    45   MS. STEEL:   If it is being left open until the morning to look
    46        at these cases, then I think that I would prefer to do it
    47        then.
    48
    49   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I really do not want to run into time
    50        trouble with my Thursday witness. 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could you remind me who the Thursday witness 
    53        is?
    54
    55   MR. RAMPTON:  It is Mr. James Atkinson who was, I think, the
    56        Manager at Marble Arch.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where do I find him?  Is he in yellow X?
    59
    60   MR. RAMPTON:  He is in yellow X.

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