Day 098 - 07 Mar 95 - Page 44
1 happens, yes.
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3 Q. But it would happen on every load, not with every cow
4 but -----
5 A. Oh .....
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: This is not anywhere near the race into the
8 slaughter?
9 A. No.
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11 Q. This is just coming, as I understand it, off the lorry and,
12 as far as the animal is concerned, it could be absolutely
13 anywhere?
14 A. Yes, as far as the animal is concerned, yes.
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16 MS. STEEL: I think actually with Dr. Gregory it was anywhere
17 between coming off the lorry and getting as far as the
18 stunning pen. (To the witness): Would you accept that?
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, but this is unloading from a vehicle.
21 That is what the whole page is about, is it not?
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23 MS. STEEL: Yes, it is but I am just asking questions about
24 that. (To the witness): You have a second person there
25 because if there was only one person it would make it more
26 likely that the cows could escape?
27 A. Or if an accident arose -- I mean, I must admit, I have
28 not written this document and neither am I a loader or a
29 driver or anything else, but if an animal caused injury to
30 somebody by its actions, it would obviously be very
31 beneficial to that person if somebody else was in
32 attendance.
33
34 Q. But the example given here is in case of animals escaping?
35 A. Yes.
36
37 Q. So that is a particular concern that the company thought
38 fit to mention?
39 A. Yes.
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41 Q. If we turn over to the Animal Welfare Training on page 194,
42 again with unloading animals under No. 5, it has: "Try to
43 ensure that no animal escapes". Again under Moving Animals
44 or Presenting them for stunning, No. 3: "Try ensure that
45 no animal escapes". So, this is something that occurs at
46 every stage of the process from unloading to slaughter?
47 A. It is something that precautions are taken against at
48 every stage in the process. It is not necessarily
49 something that happens.
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51 Q. No, but that they may try to escape is something that
52 occurs at every stage of the process? I mean, sure, if you
53 have lots of fences up they are not going to get very far,
54 but them trying to escape is something that happens at all
55 the stages of the process?
56 A. I have yet to see an animal making a bid to escape in
57 any of these situations myself. I mean, I am not involved
58 directly in the loading and unloading of livestock or
59 driving them or anything else but -----
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