Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 59


     
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     2   Q.   Turning right to the back to tab 5, please?
     3        A.  Yes.
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     5   Q.   There is a statement there or there should be by David
     6        Walker?
     7        A.  Yes, I see it.
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     9   Q.   Behind David Walker's statement, Dr. Gomez Gonzalez, there
    10        will be a number of documents including, I hope, a map that
    11        looks like that?
    12        A.  I do not have a map, sorry.
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    14   Q.   In tab 5 there is no map?
    15        A.  Yes.
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    17   Q.   May I ask you this.  Have you seen that map before?
    18        A.  No, not that particular map.
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    20   Q.   Not this one?
    21        A.  It might be.  I do not know if it is the same one.
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    23   Q.   I was wondering whether or not you are able to confirm that
    24        this is the Braslo map or reduction of it that you
    25        mentioned when you were last here?
    26        A.  Yes.
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    28   Q.   Do you think it is or it is not?
    29        A.  It is not the map that I have.  The map I have seen is
    30        almost the size of a wall, but it looks like it.  This is
    31        what it looks like, where it is surrounded the areas.
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    33   Q.   You will see, whether it is true or not one does not know
    34        but we see marked on that map some red blobs which are said
    35        to represent the origins of McDonald's Brazilian meat.  Do
    36        you see those?
    37        A.  Yes, I do.
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    39   Q.   You will see at the top of the map the hatching which shows
    40        the rainforest area of Brazil?
    41        A.  Yes.
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    43   Q.   I can tell you because I have measured it on the big map
    44        that the distance between the most northerly of the red
    45        blobs which is just southwest of Brazil, do you see that?
    46        A.  Yes.
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    48   Q.   Is roughly speaking 800 kilometres from the most southerly
    49        point of that jagged peninsular of rainforest which we see
    50        in the middle map.  Do you see that? 
    51        A.  Yes, but I would say it is probably more. 
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    53   Q.   It may or may not be.  The question I have is this.  From
    54        your knowledge of cattle do you think it likely or not that
    55        cattle would be transported from that hatched rainforest
    56        area to those red blob areas in Brazil?
    57        A.  No, it is not.
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    59   Q.   Have you been to those parts of Brazil -- ignore the ones
    60        in the south but the four in the middle of the country --

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