Day 132 - 07 Jun 95 - Page 18
1 essence, my whole career, my whole professional career, is
2 about protecting people and that continues now.
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4 Q. You said that if a company is system-orientated such as
5 McDonald's ---
6 A. Yes.
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8 Q. -- and if it feeds health and safety into its system ---
9 A. Yes.
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11 Q. -- then the fact that it is system-orientated would make it
12 easier to -----
13 A. It can speed up the implementation process. If people
14 are used to acting on systems and to having a prescribed
15 system, if you feed health and safety into that normal
16 course of action, yes, you make faster progress.
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18 Q. Because it is system-orientated, the converse would also
19 apply, that if there are problems, if there are safety
20 problems, they would also be endemic because of the
21 systematic nature of the Company?
22 A. No, I could not ----
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24 Q. If there are -----
25 A. I could not accept that. Can you be more specific?
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27 Q. If there is a problem in one store with a particular type
28 of machine or a particular job, then it is likely to be a
29 national problem ---
30 A. That would be true ---
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32 Q. -- because of the system nature of the company?
33 A. -- that would be true if, for instance, there is a
34 design fault in one unit, obviously, it is going to be
35 replicated in those of that type. That, of course, is why
36 there is a design group studying just those sort of
37 aspects.
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39 Q. If there is a particular problem with the culture of the
40 company, it is likely to apply systematically across the
41 company?
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: If you think that you are going to have
44 evidence in due course of, forget hustle -- I do not mean
45 forget it permanently, but leave it on one side for the
46 moment because we have been through that, but if there is
47 something else, some particular machine, some particular
48 practice which you say is unsafe at McDonald's and,
49 therefore, by its system of consistency will be propagated
50 throughout all the stores, then put it to Mr. Purslow.
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52 MR. MORRIS: There is just one thing I wanted to clear up from
53 my notes. If we can get the Colchester document out, it is
54 behind your statement.
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56 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you mean the accident book?
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58 MR. MORRIS: No. It is the Colchester letters that were put
59 behind his own statement.
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