Day 021 - 29 Jul 94 - Page 46


     
     1        tab 6.
 
     2   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I do have something to say about it; at
              what stage I should say it, I do not know.
     3
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I do not think this afternoon.
     4
         MR. RAMPTON:  All right.
     5
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Any other time but not this afternoon.
     6
         MS. STEEL:  I do not know if you could get pink volume VI?
     7        A.  OK, I have it here.
 
     8   Q.   If we could turn to document No. 4, page 51.  Mr. Rampton
              put this to you when he was -----
     9        A.  Can I be sure I have the right page?  It says:  "What
              else is needed for a healthy diet?"
    10
         Q.   That is the one.  The paragraph:  "In recent years doctors
    11        and nutritionists have also become aware of other
              important factors in healthy eating.  There is a
    12        considerable amount of evidence to suggest that many of
              the diseases which are more common in the western,
    13        affluent world- diseases such as obesity, diabetes, high
              blood pressure, heart disease, stroke and some forms of
    14        cancer are related to diet.  The typical western diet is
              relatively low in dietary fibre (roughage) and high in
    15        fat, salt sugar".
 
    16        Mr. Rampton asked you whether, as a statement of the state
              of knowledge in 1985, or thereabouts, whether you thought
    17        that that struck you as being fair and accurate, and you
              said, yes.  Do you feel that it is a fair and accurate
    18        statement now of the situation?
              A.  Yes.
    19
         Q.   You do.  Moving on to page 1 of your first statement.
    20
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Tab 5 of yellow V?
    21        A.  Is that page 23?
 
    22   MS. STEEL:  24.
              A.  OK.
    23
         Q.   Actually, you said in court previously that you had put
    24        the links between fat and cancer at three out of 10.
              Where would you put the links between diet and cancer on
    25        that scale?
              A.  What do you mean by "the links"? 
    26 
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Whether what you eat is related causally to 
    27        cancer?
              A.  Right.  In that sense, I would tend to go along with
    28        Doll and Peto who estimated that it is somewhere, I think,
              between 10 and 70 per cent.
    29
         MS. STEEL:  But on your scale of one to 10, where would you put
    30        the links between diet and cancer?
              A.  You cannot relate it in the way you can to a specific

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