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1 direction or merely expressed an interest in a general
2 conversation to you -- then put the challenge to
3 Mr. Bishop.
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5 MS. STEEL: Right.
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We have taken a long time on it, but it might
8 not be a complete waste of time, because that is the kind
9 of procedure I would like you to follow in the future with
10 Mr. Bishop and the other witnesses
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12 MS. STEEL: I am trying to do that, yes. I mean, the other
13 thing is, the notes were not actually evidence, anyway,
14 but -----
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, except that -- just pause a moment. They
17 are not evidence anyway, but it was fair enough of you to
18 raise it, because what is evidence is Mr. Bishop's
19 statement which he has averred as part of his
20 evidence-in-chief to the effect that "later Helen Steel
21 arrived with a specific request from Dave Morris". So that
22 is in evidence. You then began to cross-examine --
23 admittedly, using the note rather than the statement; but
24 in many ways it is more sensible to use the note, because
25 that is a source of his recollection today.
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27 (To the witness) I hope that is not unfair, Mr. Bishop?
28 A. No.
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30 MS. STEEL: OK. Can I just ask about the general outlay of
31 your notes?
32 A. Yes.
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34 Q. Where you have got parts that are in the kind of curly
35 brackets and in italics, they are where you are kind of
36 commenting on what has been going on, are they?
37 A. Yes. They were more my comments about what was
38 happening rather than what actually happened.
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40 MS. STEEL: Right. OK.
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42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Before we pass on, I think it would be
43 helpful if Mr. Morris merely suggests to the witness if it
44 is his case that he did not make the call. The way I would
45 have probably done it was just, for instance, to have said
46 to the witness -- he asked what would have been my second
47 question first -- I would have said, "I suggest to you Dave
48 Morris did not phone", and if Mr. Bishop said, "Well, that
49 is what I deduced", I would have said, "But you only heard
50 one end of the conversation, did not you", and he would
51 say, "Yes", and I would pass on; in due course, if
52 I thought it important enough, I would give a bit of
53 evidence about it myself.
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55 MR. MORRIS: I cannot remember if I spoke to Helen about it, but
56 it does not seem to be unreasonable to find out was going
57 on.
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59 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I am not interested in that at the moment.
60 It is the question of the phone call.
