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     1        what our wages policy is.  They know they are held
     2        responsible for ensuring that no-one is paid less than the
     3        minimum rate.
     4
     5   Q.   Do you remember a dispute with Kirsty Anne Pearson, an
     6        employee?
     7        A.  No.
     8
     9   Q.   If you could get down pink volume XV.  Did you get involved
    10        at all in this case ---
    11        A.  No I was no longer.
    12
    13   Q.  --  that went to the industrial tribunal?
    14        A.  No, I have no knowledge of it at all.
    15
    16   Q.   Who would have dealt with this?
    17        A.  I have no idea.
    18
    19   Q.   You do not know?
    20        A.  No.
    21
    22   Q.   Who else deals with industrial tribunal applications in the
    23        company?
    24        A.  Anybody in the Human Resource Department.
    25
    26   Q.   There is not a specific person who keeps an overview on any
    27        recurring themes for industrial tribunals?
    28        A.  Yes, the Human Resource head of department would.
    29
    30   Q.   Who is that?
    31        A.   Carmel Flatley.  But the individual cases would be
    32        dealt with by the Human Resource officer for that area.
    33        I am just trying to see if I can give you some guidance as
    34        to what dealt with this one.  Gerry Nichols, Field
    35        Personnel Officer.  I do not know who he is.
    36
    37   Q.   You do not know Gerry Nichols?
    38        A.  No.  I virtually ceased functioning in personnel in
    39        November 1991.  I had one or two weeks back on in early
    40        1992, but then I did not return to the company after an
    41        illness until part-time December 1992, at which time I took
    42        up the role of Ombudsman and had no further dealings with
    43        the Human Resource department.
    44
    45   Q.   Miss Pearson says while she was working for
    46        McDonald's -----
    47
    48   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Which page are you on now?
    49
    50   MS. STEEL:  Page 1,552 of pink XV.  Miss Pearson says while she 
    51        was working for McDonald's she was repeatedly told no 
    52        overtime pay was paid due to a current agreement between 
    53        the Wages Council and McDonald's.  Is that something that
    54        management are instructed to tell crew members?
    55        A.  Probably.  I do not know really, but probably, yes.
    56        There is no secret about our policy of not paying overtime.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was never suggested to you that if one of
    59        the hours over 39 was, say, from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. in the
    60        morning you should firstly for that specific hour pay at

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