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1 statement, in his report -- well, you said that in your
2 statement in any event. Would you accept that in the area
3 of study of welfare that he is more experienced than you
4 are?
5 A. Oh, I am sure he is.
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7 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You do not have to push that Ms. Steel
8 because he was called by Mr. Rampton as McDonald's expert
9 on animal welfare.
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11 MS. STEEL: Yes. It is just a question I forgot to ask
12 earlier. (To the witness): Are there any US abattoirs
13 that are EC approved? You said that there is one in the UK
14 that is approved for US DA standards?
15 A. That one is not in the UK. If you are going that way
16 there is only one plant, to my knowledge, that is US DA
17 approved and that is in Southern Ireland. Going the other
18 way, at the moment there are a lot of negotiations going on
19 but, as we speak today, I do not think for a technical
20 reason that there are any abattoirs in the United States of
21 America that are EEC approved.
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23 Q. But there have been in the past then?
24 A. Yes.
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26 Q. Could you get volume pink IX, please? If you could turn to
27 tab 3, please, when Mr. Rampton was asking you about this
28 he said that McDonald's had had input into this form but
29 they had not in the previous versions?
30 A. Yes.
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32 Q. Can you just say which parts of the form were added at
33 McDonald's suggestion, which of the specifications?
34 A. That would be easier to do if I had an old spec. with
35 me.
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37 Q. Do you still have the old spec.?
38 A. I think not, not with me.
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40 Q. No, but you would have it back at Milton Keynes?
41 A. Yes -- buildings, that is all recognisable as old
42 stuff.
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44 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can you just do your best, having made that
45 reservation, is it easy just to look at the form and see
46 any items which were inserted on McDonald's initiative?
47 A. I will try, sir.
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49 Q. Yes, just do your best.
50 A. The second page under "lairage 2", the use of goads,
51 that is definitely McDonald's.
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53 MS. STEEL: So that came in a year ago?
54 A. Yes. Preskinning, No. 4, I mean, that has come in in
55 reaction to McDonald's tying the bung but McDonald's did
56 not ask for that.
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58 Q. So that is one that has come in in the last year as well?
59 A. Yes.
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