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1 those are three groups that are larger than EDF; EDF
falls, I think, either fourth or fifth, but they are only,
2 the other ones are more international -- the EDF is
strictly United States, so perhaps that is why you have
3 not heard of them here, but they are in the top five
significant.
4
MR. RAMPTON: Mr. Langert, in part answer, perhaps, to his
5 Lordship's question -- entirely my fault for not spotting
it before -- can we read the first paragraph?
6
MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have read the first paragraph and then
7 I wondered how to compare it with other groups -- that is
not to stop you reading it, if you want to.
8
MR. RAMPTON: I will, if your Lordship will forgive me. It
9 says on the first paragraph on page 140: "On the other
side of the task force, the Environmental Defence Fund is
10 a national non-profit organisation that links science,
economics and law to create innovative, economically
11 viable solutions to environmental problems". True so
far?
12 A. Yes.
13 Q. "EDF was founded in 1967 by scientists on Long Island to
fight the spraying of the pesticide DDT. With its
14 headquarters now in New York City, EDF has grown to seven
offices nationwide. EDF's professional staff of over 110
15 scientists, economists, attorneys, engineers and
administrators are supported by more than 200,000 members
16 and over 100 private foundations." This is in April
1991. Do you know whether it has grown since then or not?
17 A. It has grown since then.
18 Q. Do the members and private foundations who support EDF pay
subscriptions?
19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Can I ask you this: Was the decision to change from
polystyrene foam for some of the packaging to paper in any
21 way influenced by the perception that one of the blowing
agents for the polystyrene foam might be damaging to the
22 ozone layer?
A. If you are asking, many of our customers thought that
23 we were still using polystyrene, that was using CFCs as a
blowing agent.
24
Q. Some of the blowing agent used in the United States at
25 that date, 1990, was HCFC-22?
A. Correct.
26
Q. As we heard Mr. Kouchoukos say yesterday, none of it was
27 CFC?
A. None of McDonald's but there were CFCs used.
28
Q. I know that, I was talking about the polystyrene foam used
29 by McDonald's?
A. OK, yes.
30
Q. I am coming to the phase out of CFCs, I am going backwards
