Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 80


     
     1   MR. RAMPTON:  He is making speeches.
     2
     3   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know anything about other industries
     4        apart from the catering industry.
     5        A.  That is what I am trying to say.
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  That is why I assumed that Mr. Nicholson had
     8        said as a result of his answer a moment or two ago and the
     9        fact that when he when to Mr. Preston he had looked at the
    10        High Street which meant shops, as I thought he probably
    11        meant, at the catering industry at the Wages Council
    12        minimums, but I had assumed, and, it appears,, quite
    13        rightly, that he did not look at other industries.  By all
    14        means yourself call some evidence as to what, for instance,
    15        someone in a car factory in Coventry was earning or what an
    16        18 year-old starting there might earn or some other kind of
    17        job, and demonstrate, if it be the case, that people in
    18        McDonald's or the catering industry generally are hard done
    19        by.  But unfortunately Mr. Nicholson does not appear to
    20        know about them.
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:  Just in terms of the leaflet, the mentions of low
    23        pay are specifically in terms of the catering industry,
    24        workers in catering do badly in terms of pay and conditions
    25        and a second reference in the leaflet is that it is obvious
    26        that all large chain stores and junk food giants depend on
    27        their fat profits from the labour of young people.   The
    28        bottom of the paragraph says -----
    29
    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I understand of all of that.
    31
    32   MR. MORRIS:  So the low is being compared to other industries
    33        which are paying -----
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you pushing at an open door.  Your
    36        problem is that Mr. Nicholson does not know about the other
    37        industries.
    38
    39   MR. MORRIS:  I understand.
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So you have to try with someone else or call
    42        your own evidence in relation to that.   I am not saying it
    43        is not a good point, but I will have to wait to see what
    44        the evidence is.  Mr. Nicholson cannot help you, he says.
    45        Do you want to break off there now, or do you want to ask
    46        something else?
    47
    48   MS. STEEL:   I will ask one thing.  You do not know what the
    49        wages are in industry in general, no.  You have said in
    50        your statement that you thought that the leaflet was highly 
    51        defamatory.  How could you know whether it was defamatory 
    52        or not if you did not know what the wages were in the 
    53        industry?
    54        A.  I think the leaflet is highly defamatory in its
    55        entirety.
    56
    57   Q.   On that particular issue?
    58        A.  And on that particular issue I disagree with your
    59        comment in there.
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