Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 31
1 employees' entrance, there is a phone right near the safe
2 where you are supposed to call for rides or whatever. But
3 you have to ask them first. But I doubt that she would
4 have been allowed to stand there all day, because she would
5 be in the way of managers trying to count tills, and they
6 do not like people standing around the safe when it is
7 open. But there is a large manager's office where she
8 probably -- where I would think that she made the phone
9 calls from; but, to get in there, you have to be allowed by
10 management to do so.
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12 Q. Have you ever heard of anybody, ever since you were working
13 at the store, being allowed to spend all day making phone
14 calls ---
15 A. No.
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17 Q. -- to crew members in that way?
18 A. No. Usually, people just use the phone there to call
19 themselves a ride or to find someone to fill their shift.
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21 Q. And that would be it?
22 A. That would be it.
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24 Q. Coming to the crew meeting held by Cam on Tuesday,
25 5th October 1993, you said that he was saying that unions
26 were not good things, that "they would destroy our big
27 happy family"?
28 A. Well, what I got from that meeting was that -- what he
29 was saying was, bringing in a third party in, you would not
30 be able to deal face to face with him any more; it would
31 not be done as fairly; things would not be done quite as
32 quickly as they were supposed to have been done in the
33 store.
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35 Q. How would he know that?
36 A. How would he know that? I do not know.
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. That is ------
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40 MR. MORRIS: That is a daft question, I admit. So, he was
41 telling people what would happen if a union came in?
42 A. Yes. Like, apparently, he used to be a teacher or
43 something, and, in Ontario, teachers are represented by
44 unions. So maybe he got it from that. I do not know.
45
46 Q. Well, I am going to ask about this "big happy family". Did
47 you consider it a big, happy family?
48 A. No.
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50 Q. You said that you told him at this meeting: "I was not
51 going to share my personal views about the management there
52 in front of 30 or 40 people." Why is that?
53 A. I had already tried to speak to Cam about problems with
54 the management. He was not willing to listen. I felt that
55 it was unfair that I had been put on the spot like that;
56 and, also, I mean, unions are there to argue for you.
57 I mean, had I started discussing managers with Cam, there
58 would be a conflict, and I really did not go to that
59 meeting for a conflict, you know, to get into a fight with
60 him. That was kind of the atmosphere. It was a very
