Day 193 - 28 Nov 95 - Page 24
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2 Q. That is because that is what you told them?
3 A. No, that is not what I told them. I did not. I did
4 not tell them this about the buttons. They told me about
5 the buttons.
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7 Q. You had, all along, told people: "Do not let on that you
8 have signed a card because, if you do, you are likely to be
9 fired"?
10 A. No, that is not what I said. I said, "If Cam asks you
11 if you have signed a card, grab a witness; and, if I were
12 you, I would say, 'Yes, I have signed a card', because that
13 way if he does fire you and if you have signed a card, the
14 union will have an easier time fighting for your job back,
15 because they could say it was because of union involvement,
16 which is totally illegal for someone to be fired in the
17 province of Ontario. If you say, 'No, I have not signed a
18 card', and he fires you, the union is still going to fight
19 for your job back, but it is not going to look like
20 management involvement -- union involvement."
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22 Q. Swing managers are not managers, are they?
23 A. They are and they are not. They are represented by the
24 bargaining unit, but they do have managerial duties. The
25 only thing that separates them, it is a fine line, is that
26 they do not hire and that they do not fire. But they do
27 have their office with the first assistant managers, and
28 they do have the ability to comment on crew performance and
29 contribute, I believe, to performance reviews.
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31 Q. They are just a higher rank of hourly paid workers, are
32 they not?
33 A. They are -- I believe that they are higher paid, but
34 they do have more swing in the store. They are viewed by
35 the crew as management, like, they are supervisors.
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37 Q. Am I right that in the Board hearings, the union wanted the
38 swing managers counted as crew and not as managers?
39 A. That is true, because they are represented by the
40 bargaining unit, because they do not hire or fire. So it
41 is law that they have to be in the bargaining unit.
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43 Q. What about these drawings -- it is the last paragraph on
44 the same page -- Cam in some kind of Superman suit; is that
45 right?
46 A. Yes. It was a cartoon of him, you know, those cartoons
47 that people do on the street of you, and he had like a cape
48 on.
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50 Q. Your average intelligent Canadian school student is going
51 to be brainwashed by caricatures of Cam in a Superman suit;
52 is that the idea?
53 A. I do not know if they would be brainwashed, but he was
54 not -- in these caricatures, with the facts, just the
55 facts, Candid Cam, type thing -- he was not giving the
56 employees all of the facts. He was reducing this union
57 attempt to the intelligence of a child.
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59 Q. Both sides, during the run up to the ballot, both sides
60 were permitted to put out their own point of view, were
