Day 143 - 27 Jun 95 - Page 45


     
     1        countries was on a minimum wage or close to a minimum wage
     2        for that country?
     3        A.  No, I do not, my Lord.  If -- there may have been an
     4        isolated conversation, but I have no recollection of those
     5         -- of any conversation or knowing any percentages.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  You said you had not visited Norway; is that
     8        correct?
     9        A.  That is correct.  I have never been to Norway.
    10
    11   Q.   Were you aware of any dispute in the 1980s over
    12        discrimination against union members or management being
    13        accused of being anti-union?
    14        A.  No, I do not.
    15
    16   Q.   You do not know anything about it?
    17        A.  No, I do not.  I know that some restaurants there have
    18        a union and some do not, but I am not aware of any
    19        disputes.
    20
    21   Q.   I am doing these in the order they are in, so if you just
    22        go to page 10 of that document, please?
    23        A.  Are they numbered that way?
    24
    25   Q.   At the top right-hand corner, Mac D10.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Go on a bit further and you come to a
    28        document.
    29        A.  OK, I see the numbers.
    30
    31   MR. MORRIS:  You have Mac D10?
    32        A.  Sure do.
    33
    34   Q.   Read the paragraph under "The Netherlands"?
    35        A.  OK.
    36
    37   Q.   Just hold on one minute and I will ask you a question.
    38        I thought we had a Civil Evidence Act notice on this, but
    39        we cannot find one.  In fact, this item here that you have
    40        just read is exactly the same quote as pleading No. 111.
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord ----
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:  That may be relevant so that everyone knows what we
    45        are talking about.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is not exactly the same quote.  They
    48        are not verbatim.  It is obvious that passage 111 is based
    49        on this passage in this document and, as far as I know,
    50        nothing else. 
    51 
    52   MR. MORRIS:  Do you know anything about a dispute or concerns 
    53        expressed by trade unions in the Netherlands around 1979 or
    54        1980, or around that period, regarding McDonald's minimum
    55        wage rates and their relation with the collective
    56        agreements for the hotel and restaurant industry?
    57        A.  I have no knowledge of anything like this at all.  My
    58        knowledge of the Netherlands, in fact, is that the unions
    59        there did something rather unusual several years ago, and
    60        that is that they had bill boards up indicating if someone

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