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     1        A.  That is true.
 
     2   Q.   Is that the reason why the park services have banned the
              use of polystyrene picnic materials?
     3        A.  My understanding of the park service ban was that they
              banned the use of -- they withdrew the use of foam
     4        packaging in their restaurants and cafeterias.
 
     5   Q.   If a grown up person, accompanied by children, goes out
              into the forest and drops a pile of garbage, whose fault
     6        is it?  Is it the man who makes the packaging or the man
              who drops the garbage?
     7        A.  I think the issue of who is immediately responsible is
              fairly clear there.  I think the person who left it there
     8        is responsible for that.
 
     9   Q.   He is the person who is acting anti-socially, is he not?
              A.  That is an anti-social act.
    10
         Q.   I would like you to go back to your written statement,
    11        please, and I was on the third -----
              A.  Excuse me, can I add a bit?
    12
         Q.   Yes.
    13        A.  The point I was making earlier was that I consider it
              as much an anti-social act by a corporate citizen to pass
    14        on to an individual consumer responsibility for managing
              and handling a product that organisation has
    15        created.  I consider it an equal issue.  I do not assert
              the corporation is responsible or is the cause of the
    16        individual act, but I do assert that the anti-social act
              of the individual is no less, and perhaps no more, than
    17        the act of the corporation that externalises his costs.
 
    18   Q.   May we put it this way. The corporation provides the
              citizen with the means of committing the anti-social act?
    19        A.  I think that might be one way to describe it.
 
    20   Q.   Are you conscious in the United States of McDonald's
              environment/index.html">litter patrols within a range of its restaurants?
    21        A.  I am aware that McDonald's restaurants are kept fairly
              clean in the areas around the parameters of their
    22        restaurants, yes.
 
    23   Q.   Are you conscious that the environment/index.html">litter patrols pick up not just
              McDonald's environment/index.html">litter but everybody else's as well?
    24        A.  I am not aware of that, but it would not surprise me.
 
    25   Q.   I suppose in your eyes, that would be just another
              publicity stunt? 
    26        A.  I think there is a certain matter of dealing with 
              public image there, yes. 
    27
         Q.   Can we turn over now -----
    28
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I am sorry to interrupt again, but are you
    29        saying that they are doing it as a publicity stunt, or
              just because their public image will be better if there is
    30        not environment/index.html">litter around their restaurants?
              A.  I am saying their conception, their public image is

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