Day 267 - 21 Jun 96 - Page 47


     
     1   Q.   You were aware, having come to meetings, that the lesbian
     2        and gay switchboard only let in named individuals who they
     3        had a list of.  They would not have let in just anybody who
     4        said they were from London Greenpeace?
     5        A.   I am not aware of any list, but they did let me in.
     6
     7   Q.   So you hit lucky, did you?  Just happened on that
     8        occasion?
     9
    10   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He cannot possibly ask that because he is not
    11        accepting what you have put to him.
    12
    13   MS. STEEL:  That is because he is lying.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He says he does not know about that, in
    16        effect.  So you cannot go on and ask him to draw the
    17        inference that he hit lucky.
    18
    19   MS. STEEL:  Lesbian and gay switchboard--
    20
    21   MR. RAMPTON:  May I just say something?  Miss Steel has just
    22        said the witness is lying.  He may or may not be lying,
    23        that is up to your Lordship and his conscience, but what
    24        matters about this is whether there is a challenge as to
    25        the authenticity of the photographs, and that I am waiting
    26        to hear.
    27
    28   MS. STEEL:  That is not a relevant thing to come out what
    29        happened on this date -- so if you do not mind.  Lesbian
    30        and gay switchboard were very security conscious, were they
    31        not, because they were conscious of attacks from fascists
    32        and other people?
    33        A.   I do not know.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Do you know anything about the lesbian and
    36        gay switchboard's attitude to letting people in?
    37        A.  I knew they were there, sir, I knew there was an entry
    38        phone system there.  They may have had problems, but I do
    39        not recall problems.
    40
    41   MS. STEEL:  You do not recall it being discussed at the
    42        meetings?  Reference to the fact that not any old person
    43        had to get in, you had to give a specific name in order to
    44        get in?
    45        A.   It may have been.  I do not recall that.
    46
    47   Q.   What time of day was it that you went there?
    48        A.   I do not remember.  It would have been -- I am
    49        guessing, it would have been evening, early night.
    50 
    51   Q.   Do you know how long you were in the office? 
    52        A.  A matter of minutes. 
    53
    54   Q.   A matter of minutes.  How many minutes?
    55        A.   However long it would take, necessary to take those
    56        photographs.
    57
    58   Q.   How long did it take you to get in with the 'phone card?
    59        A.   Seconds.
    60

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