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     1        A.  That is right.
     2
     3   Q.   What, for ready reference?
     4        A.  Yes.
     5
     6   MR. RAMPTON:  What I was going to ask -- I am grateful to his
     7        Lordship for that -- do your people carry them around?
     8        A.  I do not imagine they carry them around in their
     9        pockets all the time.
    10
    11   Q.   Do you think they would be somewhere on the premises?
    12        A.  I know there are copies of this leaflet on the
    13        premises, yes.
    14
    15   Q.   Do you see in the middle of the first page, 125, it has a
    16        little "6" at the bottom:  "The welfare of red meat animals
    17        at slaughter depends on sympathetic, informed and
    18        experienced handling and the provision of facilities
    19        designed with the welfare of live animals in mind".  It is
    20        dated January 1993.  The first question, Mr. Chambers, do
    21        you know whether or not this document had any predecessor?
    22        A.  I do not.
    23
    24   Q.   Do you agree or not with what the Ministry is there saying
    25        about the welfare of red meat animals depends on?
    26        A.  Yes, I agree with that.
    27
    28   Q.   Does your company attempt, so far as it can, to ensure that
    29        those conditions are present at Midland Meat Packers?
    30        A.  Certainly, yes.
    31
    32   Q.   Can we go over first of all -- we will come to slaughtering
    33        after handling -- to page 127, please?  I am not going to
    34        ask you about any of these in detail, Mr. Chambers.  But if
    35        you turn over the page -----
    36
    37   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is a "hinny"?
    38        A.  Sorry?
    39
    40   Q.   What is a "hinny"?
    41        A.  A "hinny"?
    42
    43   Q.   Yes, if you look on 127 in the left-hand column, 5,
    44         "horses (including hinnies, asses and mules)".
    45         A.  I have no idea.
    46
    47   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it might be the reverse of an ass, but I
    48        do not know, I cannot remember which way round, or it might
    49        be the reverse of a mule, I mean.
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  There we are.  I have never heard of it, I am 
    52        afraid. 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  No, nor have I.  (To the witness):  Can you turn
    55        over the page to 128, left-hand column, which has a little
    56        2 at the bottom, do you see that?
    57        A.  Yes.
    58
    59   Q.   It says:  "The lairage.  Always:  unload animals in a calm,
    60        unhurried manner, ensuring that unloading facility are

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