Day 097 - 06 Mar 95 - Page 61
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2 Q. These are all Midland Meat documents?
3 A. This is a company thing, yes.
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5 Q. We are going backwards in the process, but page 191 and, as
6 mine is a double-sided document, 192 and those are
7 guidelines for the safe loading and unloading, movement of
8 livestock?
9 A. Yes.
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11 Q. Again, this seems to have a space for trainee and trainer
12 to sign at the back?
13 A. Yes.
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15 Q. This is also a Midland Meat document, is it?
16 A. Yes.
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18 Q. Are these based in part at least on the MAFF guidelines or
19 not?
20 A. Yes, and experience.
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22 Q. Is there any extent to which they are based on actual
23 experience of handling animals?
24 A. I think it is fair to say that both things are taken
25 into consideration.
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27 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Who is Mr. Worrall at the bottom of page 192?
28 A. He is the transport manager or supervisor.
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30 MR. RAMPTON: In the handling of animals in a slaughterhouse, is
31 there anything to be gained from, does experience confer
32 any benefit on, the way in which the animals are handled?
33 It says here, for example, be gentle with them, make sure
34 they do not get excited, so on and so forth. Experience of
35 the actual handler, I mean, is that important?
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37 MR. MORRIS: Sorry, where does it say "be gentle with them"?
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39 MR. RAMPTON: Sorry, it says "Move animals quietly with the
40 minimum of force and without panic. Be in control of
41 control of the animal at all times to try to ensure that no
42 animal escapes", so on and so forth. How important is
43 experience in handling animals when it comes to that?
44 A. I imagine an experience person would probably move
45 animals in a better manner than one who is inexperienced.
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47 Q. Can we move on -- the Defendants of course can ask you any
48 questions they like about those documents -- to tab 9 of
49 this volume?
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51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Mr. Rampton, I see in No. 2 on page 191 the
52 word "coaxer" appears. Is that the word you use for goad?
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54 MR. RAMPTON: Your Lordship is quite right. I have no idea what
55 a "coaxer" is. In paragraph 2 on 191, Mr. Chambers, what
56 does it mean "coaxer"? Do you see "Excessive noise or use
57 of stick or coaxer will upset animals"?
58 A. What page are we on?
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60 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 191, paragraph 2 right near the top.
