Day 060 - 02 Dec 94 - Page 38
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2 Q. What do you mean by that?
3 A. A plant that was established originally in the
4 restaurants.
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6 Q. So, what percentage of stores still have that?
7 A. Anything that was not a new store five years ago, so it
8 is the last ---
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10 Q. The majority?
11 A. -- the last 250 stores we built would not have CFCs in
12 the refrigeration.
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14 Q. No, CFCs at all? Even CFC -----
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16 MR. JUSTICE BELL: There is nothing to be gained from unpicking
17 that because the CFC becomes a hazard, if it does become a
18 hazard, when you ----
19 A. When you destroy the equipment.
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21 Q. Yes, so there is no advantage in destroying it earlier
22 rather than later in order to get non-CFC refrigeration?
23 A. That is correct; in fact, the reverse could be true.
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25 MR. MORRIS: When did you cease using CFCs in your
26 transportation?
27 A. Again, in the distribution centre, in transportation,
28 as we bought new equipment we made the change. So, it will
29 be at various times; it would not be at any one point in
30 time.
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32 Q. Is most of your transportation still using the CFC?
33 A. No, we buy new trucks almost every year.
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35 Q. You completely scrap a whole fleet each year?
36 A. No, as they expire we replace them.
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38 Q. What percentage do you replace each year?
39 A. I do not know.
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41 Q. Do you happen to know ----
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Can I just ask -- it may not turn out to be
44 relevant -- when you say "as they expire", are they all on
45 some kind of lease arrangement rather than outright
46 purchase?
47 A. They are on a long-term lease, usually; and they do
48 expire at different times. In one year you may replace six
49 or seven; in another year it might be one or two, depending
50 on when the arrangement was first entered into.
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52 MR. MORRIS: Did you, through your pioneering concern for the
53 effect of CFCs on the ozone layer, ensure that the company
54 issued memos to all its transporters and to in-store
55 refrigeration to make sure that CFC usage stopped?
56 A. We talked directly.
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58 Q. New equipment?
59 A. We talked directly with the distribution companies that
60 supply us. They would ---
