Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 31


     
     1        their operation, that is all.
     2
     3   MR. MORRIS:   Right.  I understand.
     4
     5   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  We have the same with Mr. Fairgrieve, did we
     6        not, and all his eating figures.  Since it was not germane
     7        to what McDonald's were looking for, at the end of the day,
     8        I am minded to think he could not really reliably give me
     9        the figures I was looking for for my purposes, but you and
    10        Mr. Rampton may persuade me otherwise.
    11
    12   MR. RAMPTON:   As a matter of fact, I think you have actually
    13        got them now, with the latest set of Taylor Nelson figures.
    14
    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Very well.
    16
    17   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  They are the ones he wanted-----
    18
    19   MR. RAMPTON:   The ones ----
    20
    21   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   The faxes which -----
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:   Exactly.  We reproduced them for 1995 at your
    24        Lordship's request.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have said more than enough this afternoon.
    27        You keep going.
    28
    29   MR. MORRIS:   Then page 6, line 34, Mr. Mallinson said that the
    30        Thompson figures were very normal.  I think what he meant
    31        by that was that, you know, that we could abstract from
    32        there what the situation would be throughout Europe.  It
    33        was in one particular part of it.  I have not got it in
    34        front of me now.  I don't really want to get it out.  Page
    35        7, line 14, he said the 10 percent being left behind was
    36        normal.  10 percent by volume of wood was left behind in
    37        the forest as it is cleared.
    38
    39        Page 9, line 53, that is the wastage, where 1,770 tons of
    40        pulp ends up as 1,000 tons of carton board.  That is before
    41        the carton board gets taken to a factory and gets chopped
    42        up and redesigned, and more is lost in that method as
    43        well.
    44
    45        Then page 12, line 11, he said that pulp wood sales are
    46        very much part of the calculation, just in case McDonald's
    47        should claim that it is all a bit irrelevant anyway,
    48        because pulp wood is just like an added extra, it is part
    49        of the economic calculation of profits in the management of
    50        these forests and the companies involved.  Of course, it is 
    51        particularly relevant to the thinning, and in fact it is an 
    52        essential part.  You cannot just say sawn wood is the only 
    53        important wood because in the forest the tree has different
    54        characteristics and the sawn wood can only be taken from
    55        part of the tree.
    56
    57        Then on page 12, line 47 to page 14, line 23, he said that
    58        you would have to add on roughly 15 percent for rivers and
    59        paths and amenities, that kind of stuff.  A point he
    60        made...  Well, a point Donald Thompson made in his

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