Day 007 - 06 Jul 94 - Page 88
1 MR. MORRIS: I think the good news is that is all I have to
say.
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Re-examined by Mr. Rampton
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MR. RAMPTON: I have some questions in re-examination strictly
4 by way of clarification. Can I ask you this, when you are
using CFCs or HCFCs, or indeed a hydrocarbon, as a blowing
5 agent, Mr. Kouchoukos, which stage in the process does it
present any risk to the environment?
6 A. The majority of the environmental impact would be
immediately subsequent to its formation, so it would be at
7 the converter. It is not -- the most of the release is at
the conversion facility.
8
Q. Is there any residual environmental risk in the actual
9 product itself?
A. There is residual blowing agent that will probably
10 just remain in the foam.
11 Q. So in that regard does it differ from a refrigerating
agent in a car or a house?
12 A. Sorry?
13 Q. When you fill a refrigerator with a CFC, if that is what
you do or used to do, is one point of danger to the
14 environment the filling point or is it more likely the
release point?
15 A. It is difficult to say but it would probably be both.
16 Q. Can you just have a quick look at your chart on page 34 of
the yellow bundle 3?
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MR. JUSTICE BELL: Which page is that?
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MR. RAMPTON: Page 34, my Lord.
19 A. OK.
20 Q. I have a few page numbers, so I can help. That table
makes statements, as I understood it, of simply the amount
21 of CFCs and HCFCs production used for different purposes
in the United States in that year, is that right?
22 A. Correct.
23 Q. Does it make any distinction about the, as it were,
eventual environmental hazard which that use may create?
24 A. No, it does not.
25 Q. So when we see at the bottom, or near the bottom of the
page, HCFC 22 refrigerant 180 million pounds, are we
26 seeing simply a statement of the amount used for
refrigerating purposes?
27 A. Yes.
28 Q. Now another question, Mr. Morris asked you some questions
about landfill and incineration of polystyrene foam,
29 I think, do you remember being asked those questions?
A. Yes.
30
Q. Can I ask you this? Do you know, roughly speaking, what
