Day 092 - 27 Feb 95 - Page 63
1 could have barley, cereals and a little bit of fibre,
2 whatever is available.
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4 Q. What about protein from fish?
5 A. Yes, you could have fish meal.
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7 Q. What about other animal protein?
8 A. They are not typically used. You could have bonemeal
9 from beef bonemeal, but usually the only thing they feed is
10 fish meal.
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12 MR. MORRIS: Before we move off density completely, could I ask
13 a couple of questions about density?
14 A. Sure.
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16 Q. Your figures leading to 36.1 kilograms is the typical
17 maximum, that was based on 20,000 birds, was it, in the
18 shed?
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20 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 22,000.
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22 MR. MORRIS: 22,000. So when the shed is up to 25,000 which you
23 said the figures were between 20,000 to 25,000, the density
24 would be greater?
25 A. In general, yes. Normally we only go to 22,000.
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27 Q. But sometimes it is between 20 and 25 you said?
28 A. Yes.
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30 Q. Effectively, that means even it is 20,000 we are talking
31 about, according to your figures, one square foot per bird
32 or less?
33 A. Yes, pretty much.
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35 Q. Do you consider that each bird having something slightly
36 larger than this book to spend its life in
37 effectively, well, a square foot, do you consider
38 that -----
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40 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is not spending its life in one square
41 foot.
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43 MR. MORRIS: No, but in terms of ----
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: 20,000 birds fully grown in 20,000 feet.
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47 MR. MORRIS: Yes.
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49 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Now put to him what you ----
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51 MR. MORRIS: Mr. Rampton did say how would you like to -----
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53 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is fair enough to illustrate it by size of
54 sheets of A4 and so on, but what we must be aware of is any
55 sort of picture of the bird standing immobile confined to
56 that space. I am not saying you do not have a good point.
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58 MR. MORRIS: Well, would you consider that is effectively
59 inhumane?
60 A. No, it is not.
