Day 081 - 31 Jan 95 - Page 56
1 A. I would not say that it is impossible that there would
2 be multiplication below five. This is hypothetical, if you
3 do not mind me saying so.
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5 MS. STEEL: Can I clarify, the temperature you said, was it
6 salmonella would be killed at 55?
7 A. Well, I said I do not know the thermal death point for
8 that. I said maybe 50 or 55 would kill them.
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10 MR. JUSTICE BELL: He said he would guess about 55. He clearly
11 did not know the actual temperature. Is that fair,
12 Professor?
13 A. That is fair, yes.
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15 MS. STEEL: How long roughly would that be that you would need
16 to cook at that temperature?
17 A. Well, I am talking about the temperature you would have
18 to heat the organisms themselves to. I am not talking
19 about cooking temperatures.
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21 MS. STEEL: I do not think we have any further questions.
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23 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, I have no re-examination.
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25 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Thank you Professor Jackson.
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27 (The witness withdrew).
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you know what course you are going to take
30 with regard to Mr. Clark?
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32 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord. I confirm I have no intention of
33 calling Mr. Clark myself for reasons which I adumbrated
34 yesterday, if I needed to which I probably did not, but I
35 thought it might help. Second, I have spoken to
36 Mr. Clark. I have told him (I think I am right to reveal
37 this lest the Defendants be suspicious, I would not
38 normally of course) that it is entirely a matter for him
39 what he does if he should be requested to give evidence by
40 the Defendants. He has informed me and wishes me to tell
41 your Lordship that he has no wish to give evidence for the
42 Defendants voluntarily; nor has he any wish to speak to
43 them beforehand. I will leave it there.
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45 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The first thing, probably, which you have to
46 decide is whether you wish to call Mr. Clark. If you
47 decide that you do wish to call him, we will have to
48 consider the extent to which you can compel him to go into
49 the witness box to answer questions. There are various
50 factors which you might want to consider, although the
51 decision whether you want to call him is ultimately a
52 matter for you and nothing which I am about to say should
53 be taken by you to be advice one way or the other, because
54 it is not for me to give advice to one party or another in
55 a case I am trying.
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57 Obviously, there is a benefit in being able to know just
58 what any witness you may be thinking of calling is actually
59 going to say, and the way to find that out is to talk to
60 them. When I rise you could approach Mr. Clark but, so far
