Day 192 - 27 Nov 95 - Page 62
1 A. But she had invited me to her house to explain to her
2 about the union.
3
4 Q. And you came with Rui Amorim, did you not?
5 A. Yes.
6
7 Q. You, between you, kept telling her that there would be
8 certain guaranteed benefits for her and others if she
9 signed a card?
10 A. I did not guarantee benefits. I told her there would
11 be job security, respect and dignity, and I said that we
12 can negotiate benefits. I did not promise any benefits.
13
14 Q. And you promised, the two of you, that she could have her
15 card back if she changed her mind, did you not?
16 A. No, I did not.
17
18 Q. She telephoned you the same evening; and can I suggest the
19 conversation went something like this -- you tell me if you
20 disagree. She said: "Can I have my card back?" You said:
21 "No." She said: "Why not?" You said: "Remember the
22 benefits you will get." She said: "I have heard about all
23 that already. I want my card back. I do not want to be
24 part of the union." So far so good?
25 A. No.
26
27 Q. What is wrong with it so far?
28 A. I did not -- is there any way that I could see a copy
29 of that?
30
31 Q. No. It is taken from the transcript, which I think you
32 had.
33
34 MS. STEEL: Can you tell us where it is in the transcript?
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36 MR. RAMPTON: No, I cannot. I am afraid I have not got a note
37 of it.
38
39 MS. STEEL: I do not actually recall that particular
40 conversation being given in evidence.
41
42 MR. JUSTICE BELL: All that matters now is what the witness's
43 response to the suggestion is.
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45 MR. RAMPTON: Not only that; there will be other matters,
46 my Lord, which I shall be putting to the witness which are
47 not in the transcripts or the Civil Evidence Act
48 statements, which are based on instructions.
49
50 THE WITNESS: I believe -- I am not sure if she called me that
51 night or a day or two later, but I told her: "I cannot
52 personally give you your card back. You have to call Rui",
53 and I gave her Rui's phone number in Toronto, where she had
54 it to do it. I told her it was out of my hands --
55 "I cannot do anything about it. I do not have your card
56 to give back to you. Rui has it."
57
58 MR. RAMPTON: Did you suggest to her that it was unlikely that
59 she would get it back from Rui?
60 A. I knew that at that point -- because I believe it was a
