Day 265 - 19 Jun 96 - Page 28
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2 MR. RAMPTON: It is at the bottom of your Lordship's notes.
3 "Leaflets given to me as I left. Some anti-McD
4 leaflets."
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6 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Now, where you have read those you are
7 checking that is accurate, are you Mr. Rampton?
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9 MR. RAMPTON: Yes. I am going to do that in a minute, just
10 now.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Very well. I have to say throughout, when
13 Ms. Steel and Mr. Morris have read parts of notes to a
14 witness without any contradiction from a witness, I have
15 assumed that the witness there again is saying that--
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17 MR. RAMPTON: It was for that reason, my Lord, I asked the
18 general question, 'can he say' that he was 'satisfied
19 that', by and large, the notes are accurate? I do not want
20 to ask the question each time.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Quite, but Ms. Steel and Mr. Morris read them
23 out either because they wanted the witness, in effect, to
24 say that is right or because they wanted to challenge
25 something.
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27 MR. RAMPTON: Yes.
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29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: But I am -- just so it is quite clear that
30 where you are reading something out, you are quite right
31 that you have generally had them, as it were, verified, as
32 to what happened, admittedly in a negative way but that is
33 what it amounted to.
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35 MR. RAMPTON: I am sorry. Has your Lordship finished?
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37 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. I have. I just want to make sure I have
38 got it clear that it is going in as evidence.
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40 MR. RAMPTON: It is, my Lord. What consequences flow from that
41 is obviously another question.
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43 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Another matter, yes.
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45 MR. RAMPTON: Mr. Claire, can you look at that document the
46 usher has just given you?
47 A. Yes.
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49 Q. Do you recognise it?
50 A. Yes, I do.
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52 Q. When do you think was the first time you saw that document?
53 A. Perhaps, I think, in fact, I would have seen it before
54 going to any meetings. I recall what my instructions were
55 before attending any meetings and one of them was to
56 identify and establish the authors, as I said earlier.
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58 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Keep your voice up?
59 A. The multi-sided leaflet.
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