Day 011 - 12 Jul 94 - Page 66
1 layer, is that correct?
A. I said the change in name was to clarify the fact that
2 you have actually four types of halogen containing
molecules; those which do not contain any fluorine at all,
3 like carbon tetrachloride, which would not have been
classed as a CFC but which is actually banned under the
4 Montreal Protocol; the CFCs as they were originally
conceived which were chemically inert in the lower
5 atmosphere, which are things like CFC-11, CFC-12; the
partially hyrdogenated, the HCFCs, and the HFCs, which are
6 the other replacement chemicals which had been produced by
some of the manufacturers which did not contain any
7 chlorine at all.
8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Was it a more precise label?
A. It was a more precise label.
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MR. MORRIS: Were you aware that in terms of public perception
10 because of the name change it did not clarify the
situation; there was massive confusion because of the name
11 change?
A. I do not think it caused any more confusion; in fact
12 you can no longer get your dry cleaning done with carbon
tetrachloride. I do not think it caused massive public
13 confusion at all if people read what was being written
about the actual effects of the chemicals.
14
Q. Are you aware that industrialists used the name change --
15 let me ask you, did industrialists in your experience
lobby for this name change?
16 A. I have no knowledge about what the industrialists did
or did not do in terms of lobbying for a name change.
17
Q. But the Modern Plastics article seems to indicate ----
18
MR. JUSTICE BELL: He has given an answer about that.
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MR. MORRIS: Okay. Are you aware that industry used the name
20 change to, for example, label their products on occasions
"ozone friendly", things like that, because they were
21 using HCFCs?
A. I have no knowledge of the precise way in which the
22 packaging industry has chosen to label their contents.
23 Q. So would scientists be concerned about the way industry
labels its products?
24 A. Is this a general case about how -----
25 Q. Here we have a situation where you are very concerned
about the ozone layer and preciseness and the people who
26 have a great amount of sway in society who are using these
products, these chemicals, are using something which
27 scientists agree to clarify the situation, to confuse the
situation, is that not something which the scientific
28 community would take note of or lobby industry to ----
29 MR. JUSTICE BELL: How does this help me reach a decision what
a scientist thinks about the way industry labels its
30 products generally? I find no difficulty with the premise
that in this day and age everyone should label everything
