Day 153 - 12 Jul 95 - Page 58


     
     1        product mix till read out, and that this had the effect of
     2        creating surplus money which went towards balancing a cash
     3        shortfall.
     4
     5   MR. MORRIS:  This, I think he says, was when the cash profit and
     6        loss -----
     7
     8   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  --- cash plus or minus for the week was
     9        considered to be outside acceptable limits.
    10
    11   MR. MORRIS:   Right.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  (To the witness) First of all, as to the
    14        generality, what do you say about that?
    15        A.  Well, I have known it happen in McDonald's, during my
    16        time at McDonald's; and any time it has been discovered,
    17        then disciplinary action would have been taken against a
    18        manager who would behave in that manner.  All managers were
    19        aware that it was -- I do not know if was illegal, but it
    20        was not far off it, because it was defrauding the Company
    21        out of that cash; although if it was done for a cash plus
    22        or minus scheme, that would not necessarily be for personal
    23        gain.
    24
    25        If Kevin knew of any managers doing that whilst I was in
    26        the Colchester restaurant, he never ever informed me that
    27        it was going on, and I was never aware of it happening
    28        whilst I was in the Colchester restaurant.
    29
    30   MR. MORRIS:   In your statement, you said: "I am aware of this
    31        taking place in some restaurants during my time at
    32        McDonald's"?
    33        A.  That is right.
    34
    35   Q.   There would be no personal benefit for the manager out of
    36        it, in terms they would not be pocketing any money or
    37        anything?
    38        A.  Well, in the scenario that Kevin described -- that was
    39        that they would be taking this money and using it to affect
    40        the cash plus or minus -- there would be no personal
    41        benefit.
    42
    43   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It was to get rid of the plus or minus which
    44        was thought to be too great; it would not be putting money
    45        in their pocket in the situation he is envisaging?
    46        A.  Not in the situation that he outlined.  However, there
    47        is always -- there is that option.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:   It would be purely something done to prevent
    50        somebody like an area supervisor, or higher, saying: "Your 
    51        money does not balance" or -- is it something to give a 
    52        false impression of sales, or something like that, or is it 
    53        just something -----
    54        A.  No, a false impression of cash plus or minus in the
    55        tills is what it is -----
    56
    57   Q.   So that at the end of the week there would be some
    58        discrepancy with the money officially run through the tills
    59        and the money actually counted; that was the problem?
    60        A.  That is it, yes.

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