Day 153 - 12 Jul 95 - Page 36
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2 Q. You would have said, "which I presume no longer exists"?
3 A. Well .....
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5 Q. "I understand" implies that you asked somebody and somebody
6 told you.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You have put your point to him and he has
9 given his answer. If you, in due course, want to argue
10 that this is an indicator on credit, take it up with me
11 later.
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13 MS. STEEL: Yes. No, I want to repeat the question I asked
14 before, which you said you want to look at your statement
15 before you answered. Were you told to put that in your
16 statement or was it your own suggestion?
17 A. I believe it was my own suggestion, in that I would
18 have been surprised if it was still available that long
19 after.
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21 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Shall we break off there? Two o'clock.
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23 (Luncheon Adjournment)
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25 MR. MORRIS: In paragraph 33 in your statement, you say it was
26 never stated that a close was meant to finish at midnight,
27 but that was the -- was midnight considered as a kind of
28 official end of shift time, in terms of the calculation of
29 breaks or food allowance, things like that?
30 A. I cannot remember. I believe it was 1 o'clock.
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32 Q. So people were actually scheduled, if they were doing the
33 last shift, they were scheduled to 1 o'clock?
34 A. No, they were scheduled till close.
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36 Q. Which was considered to be 1 o'clock?
37 A. No, which could be half past 12, it could be half
38 past 1, it could be 1 o'clock, averaging out round about
39 1 o'clock.
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41 Q. But if people worked as they did -- the last shift tended
42 to be from 4 to 12, sorry, 4 till close; yes?
43 A. Yes. Some people worked 6 till close.
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45 Q. But in terms of calculation of how much breaks that would
46 entitle people to, and people knowing that in advance, it
47 was assumed what, that that 4 till close meant what?
48 A. Well, the calculation of breaks and food allowances
49 till what?
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51 Q. I am just trying to say, was it assumed to be eight hours
52 plus whatever it took to close, or was it assumed to be an
53 eight hour, nine hour shift?
54 A. For the purpose of breaks and food allowance, it was
55 assumed to be a nine hour shift, although we used to
56 generally have a five to ten minutes break at 11 o'clock to
57 give people the chance to have a cigarette and a drink, as
58 well.
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60 Q. Further on in that section, you said that staff were
