Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 29
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2 MS. STEEL: Yes. It is not I want to get through it quickly,
3 I just want to save time.
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5 (The video recording continued)
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7 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, might I suggest -- it is one we have seen
8 before -- we could bring over at 2 o'clock the little one
9 from chambers that we used before and see if it works.
10 What we will do, if we may, is to take the tape with us and
11 go back to chambers over the adjournment and see if we can
12 make it work on the little machine. If we can, then we
13 will bring it back at 2 o'clock or five to, or whatever.
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15 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Do you need an extra five minutes ---
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17 MR. RAMPTON: No.
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19 MR. JUSTICE BELL: -- or can we resume at 10 to 2?
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21 MR. RAMPTON: Yes.
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23 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Let us do that and we may run along more
24 smoothly then.
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26 (Luncheon adjournment)
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28 (The video recording continued).
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30 MS. STEEL: Could you pause a second? When you were saying
31 about the units being stepped in the battery units that you
32 had visited, is it like that?
33 A. A little bit more to the side. I have seen something
34 like that. I have seen one on top of the other, yes.
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36 Q. McDonald's suppliers?
37 A. No, we do not have, Cargill, we do not have suppliers,
38 but the suppliers could come from several Cargill
39 operations. We do not have a dedicated plant, just like
40 Tyson. On the Cargill side, they may have operations that
41 look like those in terms of how they stack the cages, yes.
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43 (The video recording continued).
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45 Q. Just pause a second. The birds that were there that had
46 bald patches, if you were saying -- well, what percentage
47 would you say if you saw that, what percentage would you
48 judge of the body was bald?
49 A. It is hard to say, to put it in those terms. I have
50 never seen something like that. I do not know where that
51 came from. That farm is not typical of what you will see
52 in terms of how they feed the animals, in terms of how they
53 cage, in cages or not in cages. I have never seen it like
54 those, so wide so big, with wiring, you have a lot of room.
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56 Q. What, where the chicken can get its head through you mean?
57 A. Yes.
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59 Q. You have not seen the wiring that loose?
60 A. No.
