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     2        If you do not look at the entire, whole picture you will
     3        not be successful.  So, by those terms I am highly
     4        qualified.  As I expressed before, I do not know anybody
     5        who has spent so much time in the whole chain from the time
     6        the animal is born to the time the animal is grown, fed,
     7        processed and sold as a product.  I do not know of anybody
     8        to answer directly your questions, yes.  How much am
     9        I qualified?  More than anybody I ever seen, and I hope
    10        that answers your question.
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    12   Q.   Have you written any specific papers specifically on animal
    13        welfare?
    14        A.  Specific what?
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    16   Q.   Specifically on animal welfare?
    17        A.  As I tell you before, every single aspect is related to
    18        animal welfare, from nutrition to slaughter to microbiology
    19        to hygiene.  I have published articles on those.
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    21   Q.   Would you say you are better qualified, more experienced
    22        than Dr. Gregory?
    23        A.  Dr. Gregory is well qualified in a very specific area
    24        of how the animals are treated from the humane side.  I am
    25        better qualified than Dr. Gregory when we look at the
    26        entire welfare of animal; when it comes to nutrition and
    27        all factors that I have already mentioned before, I have
    28        that, that opinion or I am of that opinion.
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    30   Q.   Going back to Australia, is it right that the calves born
    31        at the feed lot only remain with the mothers for one day?
    32        A.  A calf born on a feed lot?
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    34   Q.   Yes.
    35        A.  That is correct.
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    37   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, I am not making an objection so Ms. Steel
    38        need not get excited.  We have heard a lot about
    39        Australia.  I cannot find anything about Australia in the
    40        Defendants' witnesses' statements.  That does not mean to
    41        say Ms. Steel is not entitled to ask questions about
    42        Australia -- she certainly is -- but I was just wondering
    43        whether there is something I had missed in the Defendants'
    44        evidence -----
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I had assumed not, although that may not be a
    47        right assumption, because you have asked questions,
    48        Ms. Steel, rather than specifically putting this, that or
    49        the other happened wrongly.  I mean, you asked questions
    50        about them having to put their heads through the rails but 
    51        you did not mention specific tragedies or anything like 
    52        that which had been observed. 
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    54   MR. RAMPTON:  I say that for this reason, that if there is
    55        something that I have missed or some documents that are
    56        going to be produced by one of the Defendants' experts, and
    57        this point in cross-examination may or may not be taken,
    58        then it is not being done the right way.  If, on the other
    59        hand, all Ms. Steel is doing (which she is quite entitled
    60        to do) is making enquiry about Australia, that is another

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