Day 293 - 04 Nov 96 - Page 27


     
     1        cubic feet needed -- I will come to the figures, but the
     2        point is that is another factor, of course, that, just as
     3        with the use of cows and how much percent McDonald's take,
     4        similar with forest area that is needed, has to include a
     5        greater area of the tree, each tree, has to be for sawn
     6        logs.  I will come to that in a minute, on the exact
     7        figures.
     8
     9        So then on day 58 Mr. Mallinson came back.  Page 2, line
    10        46, Mr. Rampton indicated that he accepted the forest cover
    11        argument in terms of the reality of what forest cover area
    12        is needed for sustainable production.  He called it a
    13        specialist argument.
    14
    15   MR. RAMPTON:  Specious, I think.
    16
    17   MR. MORRIS:  No, specialist argument.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Well, that may be what is on the transcript,
    20        but -----
    21
    22   MR. MORRIS:   No, he accepted it.
    23
    24   MR. RAMPTON:   Mr. Morris, I am afraid, has got a bit of
    25        confusion here.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS:   I am not confused one little bit, actually.
    28
    29   MR. RAMPTON:   If I may gently interrupt.  I am sure the word -
    30        no criticism of the transcribers at all - but I am sure the
    31        word must have been "specious", and what it would have
    32        meant is that it has not got very much to do with what is
    33        in the leaflet.
    34
    35   MR. MORRIS:   No, I specially said that he accepted the argument
    36        as regards to what area of forest cover is needed for
    37        sustainable production.  Whether he accepts that is the
    38        meaning in the leaflet, is a separate question, but he
    39        accepted the fact, which we would say is what this case is
    40        about.
    41
    42   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  All he was accepting -----
    43
    44   MR. MORRIS:   Not strictly ----
    45
    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  ---- is that you need more than the actual
    47        area felled in order to supply in a sustainable way.
    48
    49   MR. MORRIS:   Yes, and in fact you would need that greater area
    50        because you would not be allowed to just come in and chop 
    51        down that part of the forest for that company.  There has 
    52        to be that -- it is not just a question ----- 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You would not come in and chop it down just
    55        for McDonald's, because you would lose the vast part of
    56        your profit.  You chop it down for a variety of purposes
    57        and you would sell your sawn wood for more than you would
    58        your pulp.
    59
    60   MR. MORRIS:   Yes, and that is what we say the leaflet says, by

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