Day 262 - 13 Jun 96 - Page 29


     
     1   Q.   I will do the rest of my questions on this date first.  You
     2        have got, on the final page of these notes:
     3
     4        "At 10.20 p.m." -- this is the second paragraph -- "Helen,
     5        Jane, Dave and myself left the building.  As arranged,
     6        I left the building talking to Helen Steel."
     7
     8        You confirm that, yes?
     9        A.  That is what I have got, yes.
    10
    11   Q.   So you had been asked to leave the building talking to me?
    12        A.  I do not remember, but it is possible, yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Do you recollect what the purpose of that was for?
    15        A.  I do not recollect, no, but I can only assume it would
    16        have been to aid any surveillance that might have occurred
    17        or any identification.
    18
    19   Q.   So you were aware that people were being followed home from
    20        meetings to ascertain addresses?
    21        A.  Yes, I was aware that that was to happen at certain
    22        times.  It was not something that happened at every
    23        meeting, but it certainly happened throughout the course of
    24        the time that I was there.
    25
    26   MR. MORRIS:  When Helen said "a certain", she meant
    27        "ascertain".  It came out as "certain" on the transcript.
    28
    29   MS. STEEL:   You have made a note that Jane was meeting friends
    30        in a club later.  That was a fairly regular occurrence, was
    31        it not?
    32        A.  With Jane?
    33
    34   Q.   Yes; that she would go to a club after the pub; she would
    35        not go home?
    36        A.  Well, as far as I am aware.  I recall, certainly on
    37        more than one occasion, her saying she was going to a club
    38        afterwards.
    39
    40   Q.   So it would have been very difficult to follow her home
    41        from a meeting, for example, to find out her address,
    42        bearing in mind that she was virtually always going to a
    43        club after -----
    44        A.  Well, I cannot say that she was virtually always going
    45        to a club afterwards.  I can say that I was aware of it on
    46        some occasions.  It would not necessarily make it any more
    47        difficult, just the observation lasted longer.
    48
    49   MS. STEEL:  It would have made it very difficult, as well, if
    50        she had gone to a nightclub? 
    51 
    52   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, you know, there is no difficulty in 
    53        finding where someone lives if you are determined about it.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:   The final paragraph says: "Throughout much of the
    56        time in the offices, before Helen Steel arrived, Alan" --
    57        that is Alan, the inquiry agent, yes?
    58        A.  Yes.
    59
    60   Q.  "...Jane and Dave were answering letters which involved

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