Day 111 - 30 Mar 95 - Page 62


     
     1        A.  He is British, yes.
     2
     3   Q.   Do your children eat hamburgers?
     4        A.  No, they do not normally.
     5
     6   Q.   Do they eat meat?
     7        A.  Yes.
     8
     9   Q.   What is your objection to their eating hamburgers?
    10        A.  Well, at the moment it is BSE in this country.
    11
    12   Q.   Oh, I see.  Have you got that German document there,
    13        Physikalische Verfahren zur Haltbarmachung?
    14        A.  Yes, the one about ------
    15
    16   Q.   With the table?
    17        A.  Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   I probably was not listening carefully enough.   Can you
    20        tell me what the words above the column of temperature
    21        figures mean in English?
    22        A.  Minimal growth temperatures.
    23
    24   Q.   Does that mean, according to the authors of this work at
    25        any rate, that they will not grow below those temperatures
    26        generally?
    27        A.  Generally, yes.
    28
    29   Q.   So that, for example, it is thought, according to this
    30        authority, that salmonella will not grow below, I do not
    31        know which species of salmonella that is, but below 6
    32        degrees centigrade?
    33        A.  Yes, that is right.
    34
    35   Q.   The enteropathogenic E.coli types, including, I assume,
    36        0157, will not grow below 8 to 10?
    37        A.  Well, at the time when this was written, E.coli 0157
    38        did not exist.  It had not been ------
    39
    40   Q.   It had not been discovered?
    41        A.  So they had not obviously made any experiments on that.
    42
    43   Q.   Do you know the date of this work?
    44        A.  This book was publicised in 1980.
    45
    46   Q.   1980.  Do you have any reason to suppose that E.coli
    47        0157: H7 proliferates at a higher temperature than, say, 8
    48        degrees or 7 degrees centigrade?
    49        A.  No, scientific reason.
    50 
    51   Q.   This is one of the things I want to find out overnight, you 
    52        appreciate. Have you got your statement there that you made 
    53        for these proceedings?
    54        A.  Yes.
    55
    56   Q.   I would like you to look at paragraph 6.  Have you got
    57        paragraph 6 there?
    58        A.  Yes, I do.
    59
    60   Q.   I would like you to look at the two sentences or paragraphs

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