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1 particularly saturated fat, in the diet.
2 A. Saturated fat is one contributor. The statement, as
3 I made it, is quite accurate that meat eating men, 25 per
4 cent of them do, in fact, become impotent by age 60. Meat
5 is a very substantial contributor to that, although there
6 are other contributors as well that lead 25 per cent of
7 meat eating men, regrettably, to become impotent by age
8 60.
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10 Q. You had not then intended to suggest a direct
11 cause-and-effect, had you, for 25 per cent of men before
12 the age of 60?
13 A. There is a cause-and-effect relationship. However,
14 I was not allowed to expand on other contributors, of
15 which there are some certainly.
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17 Q. The second clip that we saw, Dr. Barnard, again I do not
18 know if you had a chance to write it down, but it was
19 really in two parts; the first was to the effect that 35
20 to 50 per cent of cancers are due -- those are your words
21 -- to diet?
22 A. That is correct.
23
24 Q. You went on to disclaim any significant role for genetics
25 or heredity in the picture overall?
26 A. The role of genetics or heredity, I would say, are
27 significant but minor compared to the role of diet and
28 also tobacco, as I believe I may have mentioned on the
29 tape.
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31 Q. You then said that was a minor role and what really
32 mattered was what was on your dinner plate?
33 A. Yes.
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35 Q. Which is another way of saying it is diet that matters?
36 A. Diet is responsible for far more cancer deaths than
37 genetics.
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39 Q. I think I heard you say -- by this time it was getting a
40 little noisy I agree -- I think I heard you say that was
41 the Surgeon General's or the National Cancer Institute's
42 best guess?
43 A. I believe I said words to that effect, yes. These
44 figures have appeared a number of times.
45
46 Q. Yes, they have. Do you have -- I do not know where you
47 will find it -- the references that you most recently
48 brought into this case? You probably brought them with
49 you.
50
51 MR. JUSTICE BELL: We have a pale green -- is it the pale green
52 one?
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54 MR. RAMPTON: That is the original one. I do not know where
55 anybody has put .....
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57 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I have put the more recent ones, which
58 included some provided by Dr. Barnard, behind tab 11, the
59 second statement of Dr. Barnard which is now in volume 1A.
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