Day 288 - 28 Oct 96 - Page 38


     
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     2   MS. STEEL:   I cannot see that he can have the welfare of these
     3        chickens at heart if he is disregarding the recommendations
     4        of the committee that he sits on.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You may be right.  It may be that financial
     7        powers that be say no.  Anyway, there is no point arguing
     8        about it.  All these are matters for my own judgment at the
     9        end of the day.
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    11   MR. MORRIS:   I think, if I can say something on that, because
    12        I have made some quite strong points about this on
    13        rainforest.  When we criticise the credibility of the
    14        witnesses and contradictions and their loyalty, obvious
    15        lack of independence, the point is it is not to make a
    16        personal criticism of them as individuals, but that that is
    17        the kind of industry that they are working in that puts the
    18        pressure on them to come up with these views and ideas and
    19        practices.
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    21        So any time that we are, if you like, hard on witnesses,
    22        from the other side, it is not to attack them personally.
    23        They might be the most great person, you know, at home with
    24        their family.  The point is that this is what working in
    25        this kind of industry does to people, that is the sad thing
    26        that happens.
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    28   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Well, one way of putting your argument might
    29        have been to say "decent chap though Dr. Patteson is, he
    30        cannot do very much if McDonald's are only prepared to pay
    31        so much for chickens".
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    33   MS. STEEL:   Yes, I think that is very true.
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    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:   Do you want to take the five minute break
    36        here?
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    38   MS. STEEL:   I have kind of forgotten where I got up to
    39        actually.
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    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What you got up to, the last note I made was
    42        70 to 95 lux seen by Dr. Gregory ----
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    44   MS. STEEL:  75 to 80.
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  75 to 80.  Anyway, page 32, line 17.  And
    47        then I interrupted you.
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    49   MS. STEEL:  Right.
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    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  So let me take the five minute break and then 
    52        pick it up from there. 
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    54                          (Short Adjournment)
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    56   MS. STEEL:   If we look at the Farm Animal Welfare Council
    57        Report on the welfare of broiler chickens, page 14,
    58        paragraph 38, states that in commercial practice light
    59        levels can be below 10 lux and the Council considers this
    60        to be unacceptably low.  In order to encourage greater

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