Day 056 - 28 Nov 94 - Page 56


     
     1   Q.   So there is no economic reason not to have major mills
     2        bordering old-growth forest areas?
     3        A.  Alberta as a forest region has had relatively little
     4        economic use and harvesting compared, obviously, with
     5        British Columbia and the eastern region of Canada.  Alberta
     6        is very much a primary forest and it is very probable that
     7        combined sawmill, production mill of board materials and
     8        pulp mill may exist there.  I cannot give an answer
     9        specifically to the mill that you are referring to.  In any
    10        case, certainly the large trees which are typical of
    11        old-growth forest if they are being converted into economic
    12        product, will go for sawmill production and it will be the
    13        waste of that sawmill production that goes into pulp.
    14
    15   Q.   Do you want to take us through your figures then as clearly
    16        as you can on how you came to your -----
    17
    18   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think what would help is where you give a
    19        figure starting from the bottom of page 4, what would help
    20        me is if you say what the source of the figure is.  Can you
    21        do that?
    22        A.  Yes.
    23
    24   Q.   Some of them have obviously come from ----
    25        A.  I state immediately above it: "The following
    26        definitions of timber volumes supplied for packaging
    27        purposes for the UK Forestry Commission to the largest
    28        carton board producer in the UK Iggesund Paperboard of
    29        Workington, is both typical and indicative of the volumes
    30        of wood consumed to make 1,000 tonnes of carton board."
    31        I give reference No. 9 to it and I believe reference No. 9
    32        is actually number (I) in the reference section.  This is
    33        the Business Enterprise Division, the Forest Enterprise
    34        Forestry Commission on 7th January 1994.  The document on
    35        which my figures are based is signed by Mr. Donald Thomson
    36        who is the Business Enterprise Division manager concerned
    37        with supplying product from Forest Enterprise to Iggesund.
    38        That is the source of that information.
    39
    40        In point of fact, you will find that the figures used
    41        follow right through what I have used, those that I have
    42        used.  I subsequently went back to Mr. Donald Thomson
    43        because of the difference between the figures that we had
    44        got from Mr. Kouchoukos relating to the United States.
    45        I asked him to look at the figures that I had used, the
    46        calculation that appears in my submission, and he came back
    47        confirming that my submission was correct and giving an
    48        explanation which I subsequently used in further notes to
    49        explain what I thought the difference might be.
    50 
    51        Going from there, for every saleable 1,000 tonnes of carton 
    52        board the production process will use 1,590 tonnes of 
    53        pulpwood plus a 180 tonnes of sawmill residue.  This is the
    54        experience of that particular mill at Iggesund, that they
    55        are taking a high proportion of pulpwood and a small
    56        proportion of residue material into their manufacturing.
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Then you if you go over the page -- you have
    59        already mentioned some imported hardwood market pulp for
    60        the reason you have given and said that that is a very

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