Day 290 - 30 Oct 96 - Page 32


     
     1        with the indoor pork, it has to be kept totally separate.
     2        That was on day 88, page 59, line 40.
     3
     4        He said that McKey's do not have a specification of solely
     5        outdoor portions.  That was day 88, page 60, line 31.  So,
     6        obviously, unless McKey's are disregarding McDonald's
     7        instructions, McDonald's have not got a specification for
     8        solely outdoor pork.  We have not heard anywhere that they
     9        do have any such specification, so we can safely assume
    10        that they are happy to take whatever is the cheapest with
    11        utter indifference to the welfare of the pigs.
    12
    13        Mr. Bowes said:  "If we do not use all our outdoor reared
    14        pork or free range pork for, say, the people who are making
    15        free range sausage et cetera, if there is, you know, a
    16        surplus McKey's stand a chance to have some."  That was on
    17        day 88, page 60, line 60.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  But even the so-called free range outdoor
    20        pork comes inside.  There was no suggestion, was there,
    21        that any stays out until it is -----
    22
    23   MR. RAMPTON:   No, my Lord, I think the evidence was that it was
    24        all brought in at about 40 kilograms to be fattened up for
    25        the last - however many days it is.
    26
    27   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  None of it stays out until it is driven
    28        on to the lorry.
    29
    30   MR. RAMPTON:   Apart from the boars and the sows.
    31
    32   MS. STEEL:   The point being that the vast majority of all the
    33        pork meat which McDonald's are getting is coming from pigs
    34        which are spending their entire lives inside.
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have got that point.
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:   Right.  Okay.  Well, it is a shame McDonald's did
    39        not just concede that point at the start, and then we could
    40        have saved a lot of time.
    41
    42   MR. RAMPTON:   The reason that it was not conceded at the start
    43        is that it is not true of the United States and other parts
    44        of the world.
    45
    46   MS. STEEL:   Well, I mean, apart from anything else, if
    47        Mr. Rampton knew that at the start of the case, he was
    48        misleading the court in his opening.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If admissions can be clearly made about 
    51        particular parts, then there is obviously a benefit in it, 
    52        but my guess is I would have had to hear this evidence 
    53        about the life of the pig in any event.
    54
    55   MS. STEEL:   It is also my understanding that the vast majority
    56        of pigs in the USA are reared in exactly the same way ---
    57
    58   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Tell me about that when you come to it.
    59
    60   MS. STEEL:  --- as in the UK.  In fact, I think we heard

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