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1 in a particular way. I think that then leeched or went
into the public domain, and therefore became a matter of
2 public concern. So I think in fact it is both.
3 Q. It works both ways?
A. Yes.
4
MR. JUSTICE BELL: I suppose there is a question of funding.
5 If something becomes a public issue then funding is more
readily available, whether governmental or from any other
6 sores?
A. Yes. It is true, for example, that in both the United
7 Kingdom and in Europe at the moment there are significant
sources of funding both within the EC and within the
8 United Kingdom to do additional measurements and
calculations to try to quantify the effects that mankind
9 is having on both the lower and the upper atmosphere. One
the things in the United Kingdom at the moment is called
10 the Environmental Chemistry programme which has just been
transferred to the National Environmental Research
11 Council.
12 MR. MORRIS: In your experience, broadly speaking, in the
scientific community what are the main sources of funding
13 for research?
A. In my own area, it is either national government, or
14 in fact national government as coming through the European
Community. There is very little money for this particular
15 area which has been donated directly by industry.
I personally am in receipt of grants from both National
16 Environmental Research Council and from the EC, and to the
best of my knowledge none of this is direct industrial
17 money.
18 Q. I am going to ask you one philosophical question to finish
up as an environmentalist.
19
MR. RAMPTON: May I ask who is the environmentalist?
20
MR. MORRIS: Myself.
21
MR. RAMPTON: Perhaps we will hear more about that in evidence
22 later.
23 MR. MORRIS: I am trying to think how to phrase it. Do you
feel that members of the public and community groups pick
24 up signals from the scientific community about their
concerns which may not be directly addressed in the
25 newspapers or governmental reports or symposiums? For
example, I am going to take the CFCs issue: We have a
26 situation where we are saying that environmentalists and
community-based groups were calling for the abolition of
27 CFCs and HCFCs, there were suspicions about HCFCs, before
scientific opinion strictly had the hard evidence. Do you
28 feel there is some kind of -- what is the word -- unease
that was communicated to the public, even if it was not
29 hard facts? Do you feel there is some kind of
relationship between the public and the scientific
30 community in that way, and that is what maybe led to the
public's perception, which turned out to be right in a
