Day 151 - 10 Jul 95 - Page 49
1 sure those Xs were correct, because it was all manual. So
2 there was an ongoing process.
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4 Q. You said in your statement, at the last line of page 4:
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6 "The Defendants have suggested that some managers would
7 make a practice of clocking out young people at the proper
8 time and then keeping them on the restaurants with a
9 bonus", which you say you have never came across.
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11 What about if they worked past their proper time but that
12 was put on at the beginning of the shift the next day?
13 A. So the manager would clock them out and then the -----
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15 Q. Would you know that?
16 A. Sorry?
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: What are you suggesting: that someone clocks
19 them in early to make up for that, or that you just pay an
20 unrecorded extra amount?
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22 MR. MORRIS: That when people start at 12 the next day, or they
23 are put down as starting at 12 noon, they actually come in
24 at two, because those two hours they worked the previous
25 night or two nights ago when they should not have done.
26 That is quite an easy thing to do, is it not?
27 A. I think it would suggest that the whole management team
28 are in cahoots along with the individual. I think my
29 recollection of the under-18s is they were probably at
30 school or at college, so the idea of the night shift
31 manager clocking them off early and then the day shift
32 manager clocking them on early as well could not be further
33 from the truth.
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35 Q. If that did happen and the managers were in cahoots, or
36 whatever you said, that is something, when you were
37 checking the records, you would not be able to see, would
38 you? You would not know: "Oh, I remember that person did
39 not actually come in until two o'clock that day." It is
40 something which, if the managers were determined to do
41 things that escaped your notice, whether or not they did
42 it, it is possible they could do it?
43 A. They did not do it. As an area supervisor, I have got
44 to have the utmost faith in the managers. Sometimes that
45 faith is broken and people abuse their position. In this
46 case -- I do not think I have never even sort of thought
47 about that system of doing things. To have that
48 complicated a system, it would be far better not to have
49 them working the hours in the first place and hire more
50 people, if that was the case. But to suggest that was
51 going on is just not right.
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53 Q. That is something you assumed that no reliable manager
54 would do? That is something that was based on trust; you
55 would not expect them to do that kind of thing?
56 A. I think the idea of, if the managers were that hell
57 bent on giving people the hours or going to do anything and
58 keep it from me, then I would find it difficult to spot.
59 But, certainly, in determining the number of hours that
60 people worked versus their scheduled hours, that is
