Day 104 - 15 Mar 95 - Page 53
1 they have not done this or that previously and he says, in
2 effect -- and there is no need to pursue it further in
3 cross-examination, you can address me on it later -- "Well,
4 I think that criticism is a bit unfair because the whole
5 point of calling Dr. Gregory in was to see what, if
6 anything, he ought to improve from an animal welfare point
7 of view among other points of view".
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9 MS. STEEL: It was the answer about "Yes, that is right" about
10 what he saw was exceptional.
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12 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No. I think Dr. Pattison was merely agreeing
13 that there might be things which Dr. Gregory saw which
14 might be unusual, because a spot check does not necessarily
15 give you what happens all the time. But Dr. Pattison is
16 not making that point with regard to any particular
17 experience of Dr. Gregory.
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19 MS. STEEL: So it might also be the case that actually there
20 were more birds that were not getting stunned properly,
21 yes?
22 A. As I say, I cannot really say any more than I have
23 said. You have seen his report, I have described what has
24 happened, the rest is just conjecture.
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26 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Or argument in due course.
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28 MS. STEEL: Can you explain when you said in chief that the
29 current recommended by MAFF was based on an AC current and
30 was a different electrical characteristic. Can you just
31 explain why Sun Valley feels that should make any
32 difference?
33 A. Well, it is not Sun Valley that feels it should make
34 any difference. There are quite clearly differences in the
35 electrical characteristics between AC and DC.
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37 Q. Have you actually published anything about your experiments
38 on whether the stunning is effective or not?
39 A. I have not published anything, no.
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41 Q. No, has Sun Valley published anything?
42 A. No.
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44 Q. So it is all internal information that the company is
45 storing and it is not been verified by anybody outside?
46 A. Well, I have said that it has been verified by several
47 MAFF officials at the time it was installed.
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49 Q. They did not actually do any tests themselves I think you
50 said?
51 A. They came and observed it in practice, which is the
52 normal way of testing whether something is working
53 efficiently.
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55 Q. It has not been subjected to the kind of indepth tests that
56 AC current has been subjected to?
57 A. There is a wealth of information on DC current because
58 that is the standard method used in the United States.
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60 MR. MORRIS: I will try to get through this as quickly as
