Day 119 - 02 May 95 - Page 66


     
     1        A.  Yes.
     2
     3   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, can I say one thing while we are on
     4        this.  It is not logical to assume that all these 800 came
     5        from crew in this year either.
     6
     7   THE WITNESS:  No.
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.
    10
    11   MR. RAMPTON:  So a base of 26,000 is perhaps not the right base.
    12
    13   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Mr. Morris is entitled to have his try, but
    14        of course there is a limit to how big you can make your
    15        numbers of managers who have been ex crew members when you
    16        have a finite number of managers anyway.
    17
    18   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, quite.
    19
    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  If you have only 1,600 managers you cannot
    21        have 5,000 who have come from crew, but I understand your
    22        point.
    23
    24   MR. MORRIS:  In fact Mr. Rampton made a very helpful point for
    25        us -- thanks for that -- which I was going to come on to,
    26        which is people in management tend to stay for -- so the
    27        turnover rates for management I saw somewhere is something
    28        like 20 per cent?
    29        A.  It is fairly low, 20 per cent, something like that.
    30
    31   Q.   Whereas for staff at that time, in 1989 anyway, it was
    32        something approaching 200 per cent, crew, sorry.  So
    33        something like there is a ten times greater turnover of
    34        crew than management.
    35        A.  Part-time workers, well, they are more transient.
    36
    37   Q.   Taking everything into  consideration, and I am multiplying
    38        the crew members by ten to compensate for the managerial
    39        turnover rate, I make the percentage of crew at any one
    40        time who could be reasonably expected to become managerial
    41        staff -- if I can just work this out -- I make it something
    42        approximating to 0.3 per cent.  I do not know if anyone
    43        else is working out the point.
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I have not. I am not sure, at the end of the
    46        day, how far the figures help me because one has to know,
    47        for instance, of crew members, how many people have
    48        management ambitions in the first place, and I do not
    49        suppose there is any way of finding the percentage of those
    50        who have management ambitions or develop management 
    51        ambitions, who become managers.  A lot of perfectly worthy 
    52        people working as crew members might be horrified at the 
    53        responsibility of management.  It is a difficult area,
    54        this, to draw any real conclusions.
    55
    56   MR. RAMPTON:  In the end, my Lord, it will depend on what your
    57        Lordship attributes to the appropriate ----
    58
    59   MR. MORRIS:  The reality is if more than 0.3 per cent of the
    60        crew workforce wish to be salaried staff they would be in

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