Day 078 - 26 Jan 95 - Page 39


     
     1   Q.   Do you know whether Vesty's in Brazil had any relation or
     2        made use of any beef from King Ranch?
     3        A.  I have no knowledge of that whatsoever.
     4
     5   Q.   You do not know?
     6        A.  No.
     7
     8   Q.   You said yesterday:  "Ever since we have been in the EC we
     9        have basically only been able to use beef from the economic
    10        union.  There are one or two exceptions; that being balance
    11        sheet beef and LOME agreement beef"?
    12        A.  Yes.
    13
    14   Q.   Do you mean there they are EC approved beef as opposed to
    15        beef from the economic union?
    16        A.  Unless it is under a specific scheme.  Since we have
    17        been in the economic union only meat available reared
    18        within the economic union is available to a meat processor
    19        in Europe.  There are one or two schemes which I have
    20        alluded to which are available, but they have all got
    21        technicalities which make it difficult to obtain.  It is a
    22        very complicated subject.
    23
    24   Q.   You were trying to persuade McDonald's to buy beef from
    25        Botswana.  That is what Mr. Oakley told us when he was
    26        giving evidence?
    27        A.  We have bought meat from Botswana, yes.
    28
    29   Q.   You have?
    30        A.  Yes, and very good beef it is.
    31
    32   Q.   Right, and what scheme was that?
    33        A.  That is under the LOME scheme.
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How do you spell that?
    36        A.  It is L-O-M-E.
    37
    38   MS. STEEL:  When were you buying beef from Botswana?
    39        A.  From memory, up to about 1984 but that is from memory.
    40        I would rather check that fact.
    41
    42   Q.   Up to 1984?
    43        A.  Yes.
    44
    45   Q.   Have you been discussing using Botswana beef more recently?
    46        A.  Yes.
    47
    48   Q.   You have?
    49        A.  Yes.   Can I explain that?
    50 
    51   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Could you just pause?  The LOME scheme 
    52        Botswanan beef up to 1984, did that go to McDonald's 
    53        outlets?
    54        A.  Yes, sir.
    55
    56   Q.   Or not?
    57        A.  I would like it buy Botswana beef but McDonald's do not
    58        want me to Botswana beef.  So, I buy Botswana beef for
    59        other customers but, I assure you, it does not go anywhere
    60        near McDonald's.

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