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1 the day. As I said before, it is very easy to do and
2 counsel do it often enough. The time comes when you end up
3 arguing with the witness and we are not moving.
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5 MR. MORRIS: It just that it was a sort of fundamental point
6 I wanted to make clear that we are not accepting ------
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: I will be able to consider your argument when
9 I have heard all the evidence as to what goes on on the
10 ground.
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12 MS. STEEL: I wanted to refer to the recommended animal
13 handling guidelines for meat packers?
14 A. Can you direct me to it, please?
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16 MR. RAMPTON: Yes, my Lord. I can give the reference to this,
17 if it is what I think it is. It was produced, I think it
18 was, when Dr. Gomez was last here in December together with
19 a number of other documents. It was produced with a letter
20 from Monfort. My Lord, it is in volume IX, yellow IX,
21 behind Dr. Gomez Gonzalez' first statement which is at
22 tab 2 of that.
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: It is immediately in front of divider 3.
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26 MR. RAMPTON: It should be, yes, that is right.
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28 THE WITNESS: I do not have it.
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30 MR. JUSTICE BELL: No, I do not think it has been put in the
31 volume.
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33 MR. RAMPTON: I think your Lordship has first in that package
34 this HACCP document.
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36 THE WITNESS: I have it now.
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38 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Yes, but want to be further on, do you, to
39 this document?
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41 MS. STEEL: That is right, yes. (To the witness): If you
42 could turn to page 4 of that document. That is the page
43 number at the bottom of it rather than right at the top.
44 A. Yes.
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46 Q. Do you see the last paragraph "providing adequate pen
47 space"?
48 A. On what -- yes, I do.
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50 Q. The second sentence, possibly the third, says: "To reduce
51 PSE hogs issued be rested for two to four hours prior to
52 stunning", would you accept that?
53 A. Yes, I do, it could be two to three hours, yes.
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55 Q. Would you accept that cattle and pigs become agitated and
56 stressed when they are poked with electric prods or hit
57 with a stick?
58 A. It is not a "yes" or "no" answer. I do not know how to
59 answer that question. Do they feel it -- yes, they do. Do
60 they get agitated because of that -- no, I have never seen
