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     1   MR. MORRIS:  We know that at the end of the 80s the turnover
     2        rate was much greater than in 1995, and so -----
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  I think you are pushing at an open door.  You
     5        have had it with the previous witness.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  The reality is that the majority of staff in the
     8        country, whatever the percentage was, worked for less than
     9        12 months ---
    10        A.  Right.
    11
    12   Q.   -- at McDonald's; yes?
    13        A.  OK.
    14
    15   Q.   Say, for example, in Leicester, it would take them
    16        something like nearly five months to have an opportunity
    17        for a wage increase?
    18        A.  Right.
    19
    20   Q.   Which they might fail or they might pass; they might get
    21        five pence or 10 pence on top of their starting rate?
    22        A.  Or 15 pence.  Right.
    23
    24   Q.   Yes, in exceptional circumstances.  Then they would get
    25        another opportunity for a pay review in four months' time
    26        after that?
    27        A.  Yes.
    28
    29   Q.   Correct?
    30        A.  After the five months, four months, certainly, yes.
    31
    32   Q.   Yes, after the nearly five months ---
    33        A.  Yes.
    34
    35   Q.   -- they had been there.  So they have an opportunity to get
    36        -- looking on a positive side -- they might get a 10 pence
    37        increase, a 20 pence increase, within 12 calendar months of
    38        them starting at McDonald's?
    39        A.  If they had started just after June, let us say, when
    40        the last Wages Council notification would have come
    41        through, then yes.
    42
    43   Q.   Yes, in terms of -- sorry, I am talking about in terms of
    44        differential?
    45        A.  Yes.  June -- through to June probably would be the
    46        opportunity to get that 10 times two pay reviews.
    47
    48   Q.   If they stayed on over 12 months, then they must have got
    49        -- the new starting rate must have come in at some stage
    50        in their employment, in which case of course they would 
    51        lose most or all of their differential? 
    52        A.  Or they would gain a five or 10 pence pay rise, 
    53        depending on how the starting rate started.  I suppose it
    54        is a half empty/half full argument, is it not?
    55
    56   Q.   And the process starts again, does it not?
    57        A.  Yes, absolutely.
    58
    59   Q.   But when the pay round, if they stayed two years -- in the
    60        unusual circumstance that might stay two years -- then, hey

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