Day 198 - 08 Dec 95 - Page 36


     
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     2   MS. STEEL:  Liverpool; Liverpool and Wolverhampton.
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     4   MR. MORRIS:  And Warsaw.  He is statement number 2 in the
     5        bundle, but we have managed to speak to him but somebody
     6        said where he might know he had moved to, or something of
     7        that kind.  It looks possible we will not be able to find
     8        him, in which case we would ask his evidence to be Civil
     9        Evidence Act notice evidence.  If I just check down the
    10        list.  I think we have said we are not intending to call
    11        Robert Chapman in the light of all the evidence we have
    12        heard on that issue.  He was the chap who witnessed the
    13        death of Mark Hopkins.  We are not calling Terry McDonald,
    14        the expert witness.
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    16   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You told me that.
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    18   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, or John Ridd.
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    20   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  What is the position with Fiona Byfield?
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    22   MR. MORRIS:  There are a number of witnesses who have expressed
    23        to us that for personal reasons -----
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    25   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You do not need to explain.  I have already
    26        said -----
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    28   MR. MORRIS:   I do not mind explaining.
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    30   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, I have already said on a number of
    31        occasions, I do not draw any inference one way or another
    32        from the fact that someone is -----
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    34   MR. MORRIS:  Some people are, you know, quite nervous about
    35        coming to court generally and we do not want to put any
    36        pressure on people -----
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    38   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can I say not Fiona Byfield?
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    40   MR. MORRIS:  I think you could cross off Fiona Byfield and
    41        Vanessa Lebrasse, number 17.  There are two or three others
    42        I am not, still not quite hundred per cent sure on, so I do
    43        not want to go into them; for example, Mr. Townsend, Mr.
    44        Donehey and Mr. Blick.
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    46   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Where do I find the third reference you
    47        mentioned?
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    49   MR. MORRIS:  Mr. Blick is number 24.  Kirsty Ann Pearson we are
    50        not calling, that is for sure.  I think I have mentioned 
    51        that before.  Stuart Whittingham is untraceable and it is 
    52        arguable whether it is relevant -- not relevant, but it is 
    53        such a minor point in the light of your ruling about the
    54        substantial matters that he could have raised that the
    55        other matters are not worth calling him around.
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    57        Now, that leaves the Civil Evidence Act statements of
    58        people, I think.  Is that clear?  Is there anyone you want
    59        to ask about?
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