Day 095 - 02 Mar 95 - Page 30


     
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     2   Q.   But in terms of numbers per cage, you have seen that?
     3        A.  I have never seen anything like that.
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     5   Q.   I think there are about five in each cage?
     6        A.  On those cages, yes.  We do not do that.
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     8   Q.   Well, you do not actually know where all the eggs are
     9        coming from at Cargill anyway?
    10        A.  No.  You are making a wrong assumption.  We do know
    11        that they come from Cargill or Tyson and they do not go to
    12        five birds.  What I do not know is where they come from
    13        Cargill side.  They have a lot of operations.  I do not
    14        know where they are coming from.  That part that is what I
    15        do not know.
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    17   Q.   You have not visited most of the units that supply?
    18        A.  No, not on the Cargill side.  We have a lot of
    19        operations.
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    21                   (The video recording continued).
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    23   MS. STEEL:  Would you think it is cruel to keep them five to a
    24        cage?
    25        A.  I do not know, it is not only the number you are
    26        looking for.  You have to look at the entire picture
    27        again.  In that particular farm, I do not like it.  I do
    28        not like to see that.  It is nowhere near the operations.
    29        This is the farmer in the house.  We do not use those kinds
    30        of people.  We deal with big operations that have the money
    31        to buy the best technology available.  Our farms do not
    32        look anywhere near to those.
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    34   Q.   The ones that you have seen?
    35        A.  The ones I have seen, yes.  That is not a
    36        representation by any means of the United States poultry
    37        industry.
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    39   MR. MORRIS:  But if you saw the cages, those cages, with five
    40        birds in, would you be concerned about the animals'
    41        welfare?
    42        A.  It is not the number you are looking for.  You have to
    43        look at the entire animal.  What I see there, would I be
    44        concerned?  Yes, absolutely.
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    46   Q.   About the animals' welfare?
    47        A.  Yes, absolutely.  What I see there, yes, they do not
    48        look healthy.  They do not look good.
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    50   Q.   Because of crowding? 
    51        A.  The crowding is a different area.  You have to look at 
    52        the entire area.  You cannot make an assumption. 
    53
    54   Q.   You have to be concerned about animal welfare because of
    55        crowding?
    56        A.  Ask the question again?
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    58   Q.   Would you be concerned about the animals' welfare because
    59        of crowding of the animals five to a cage?
    60        A.  I do not know.  I need to see -- it is not only one

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