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     1        studies that I mentioned on immune function, those that
     2        involved intravenous drips or simply high fat diets were
     3        not studies that involved vegetarians; but the studies of
     4        vegetarians are of particular interest because you are
     5        greatly reducing saturated fat, typically reducing fat
     6        overall.
     7
     8   MR. RAMPTON:  Before Mr. Morris moves on, may I ask for some
     9        assistance?  This postulation that Dr. Barnard has been
    10        making about -----
    11
    12   MS. STEEL:  Could this be saved for cross-examination?
    13
    14   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No, he is entitled to make the point.
    15
    16   MR. RAMPTON:  -- no, certainly not -- has been making about
    17        immunity from cancer does not appear, as far as I can
    18        tell, in his written reports for this case.  I am
    19        wondering this:  Whether we may take it that the research
    20        to which he referred is that which is referred to in
    21        chapter 3, I think it is, of his book Food for Life.
    22
    23   MS. STEEL:  Mr. Rampton is wrong; it is on page 8 of his
    24        statement.
    25
    26   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you identify it for us, Dr. Barnard?
    27        A.  Some of the studies that relate to diet and immunity
    28        are, in fact, described in chapter 3 of Food for Life.
    29        However, on page 8 of my statement in the penultimate
    30        paragraph there is a reference to the work of Malter in
    31        this regard -- there are many other such studies; that is
    32        simply a representative one.
    33
    34   MR. RAMPTON:  What I am wondering is this:  As your Lordship
    35        can see, Dr. Arnott is in court.  He has not had the
    36        chance to assess the materials which may or may not
    37        underly what Dr. Barnard has said.  If we can have an
    38        indication what are the papers to which we should refer
    39        Dr. Arnott's attention, that would be helpful.
    40
    41   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Can you do that?  It is worth asking now
    42        because some preparation has to go on while you are giving
    43        your evidence.  If we leave it until you have finished and
    44        Mr. Rampton starts cross-examination, it cuts the ability
    45        to do that down.
    46
    47   THE WITNESS:  Certainly.  I would be pleased to have you look
    48        at the studies that I have referred to in chapter 3, if
    49        that is responsive to your question.
    50 
    51   MS. STEEL:  The paper that is referred to in the statement has 
    52        been served. 
    53
    54   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It does not matter.  Mr. Rampton is merely
    55        asking whether there is more than that, because then time
    56        can be used to look at it.  If he waits until he
    57        cross-examines and finds out there is more than Malter, we
    58        have to have a break while that is looked into.  Yes,
    59        Mr. Morris?
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