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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  This is the plastics industry?
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         MR. MORRIS:  Yes.  Say, in this process with the CFC issue, was
     3        there a great deal of influence of scientists that were
              actually linked in some way to the industrial producers?
     4        A.  To the best of my knowledge, no, because the people
              who again I cited as producing the report are not employed
     5        by the industries and, essentially, are independent
              agents.
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         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Were all the people on virtually front sheet
     7        of the SORG reports, are they all experts in chemistry and
              the atmosphere?
     8        A.  If I were to give you an example, my Lord, Adrian Tuck
              who was then at the meteorological office in Bracknell is,
     9        in fact, now working for an organisation called MOA which
              is the main environmental organisation based at Boulder in
    10        the United States; Dr. Cox is currently employed by the
              National Environmental Research Council as an atmospheric
    11        chemist; Dr. Farman was the person who actually made the
              ground based measurements on which the first intimation of
    12        the ozone hole came; Dr. Gray is the keeper of the main
              atmospheric database at the Rutherford Appleton
    13        laboratory; Dr. Jones was then at the meteorological
              office in Bracknell and is now in the atmospheric
    14        chemistry group at the University of Cambridge, but his
              first training was actually in atmospheric physics figure
    15        at the University of Oxford;  Dr. O'Neill was then at the
              meteorological office in Bracknell; Dr. Penkett is, in
    16        fact, an atmospheric chemist and is an expert on the
              tropisphere and is able to measure trace quantities of
    17        things like the HCFCs in the atmosphere using very
              sensitive mass spectrometry; Dr. Pyle is currently the
    18        co-ordinator of the main European monitoring programme
              called SEAAE, or Second European Arctic Anisomeric
    19        Expedition which is the current measuring campaign in the
              northern hemisphere to try to determine what the current
    20        state of the ozone depletion is; Dr. Roscoe is now based
              with the Antarctic survey and, in fact, makes measurements
    21        in Antarctica; the only person there who represents a
              chemical company is Dr. Hollies who, you will notice, is
    22        down as an observer, which means he did not actually take
              part in the formulation of the scientific discussion;
    23        Dr. Jenkins who was the executive secretary works for the
              Department of the Environment in London and, therefore,
    24        I would take to be independent of the industry.  So there
              are no industry scientists.
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         Q.   Thank you very much for that, but what I meant to ask, do 
    26        you know to what extent, if at all, the plastics industry 
              had atmospheric chemists of any weight in their employment 
    27        or instructed on their behalf?
              A.  Within the United Kingdom, I do not think the plastics
    28        industry did have very much in the way of environmental
              chemists on their staff.  They were mainly relying on
    29        independent experts.  In the United States it may be
              different.  I am not an expert on the personnel employed
    30        by Dupont.
 

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