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     1        have been a small percentage of the total recycled paper
              used in the United States, would it not?
     2        A.  Assumably, I do not know.  I do not know what that
              total figure was in that year.
     3
         Q.   Presumably, did McDonald's say to you:  "We must use
     4        recycled paper; go and buy up more stocks"?
              A.  We do not buy recycled paper per se.  We buy packaging
     5        that contains recycled paper.  McDonald's at a time gave
              me a direction to reduce the packaging, to reincrease
     6        recycle content and that is the -----
 
     7   Q.   They did not increase their recycle content for at least
              two years from 1987, except by 1 per cent, so -----
     8        A.  If there is nothing available, I do not know how we
              could increase it.
     9
         MR. JUSTICE BELL:  How long would it take to change over your
    10        supply of McDonald's packaging?
              A.  If we, for instance, designed a new package to
    11        introduce for a sandwich or if we changed the style of a
              package, our typical testing would be to go into one store
    12        for 60 days, to expand that to ten stores for 60 days, to
              expand that to 50 stores and then to 300 in sequences of
    13        those 60 days do.  To roll out package nationally might
              take somewhere near a year.  That is assuming that the raw
    14        materials were all, met the acceptance of the FDA's
              guidelines.  That is the process that we are amongst right
    15        now with post consumer recycled paper, is making sure that
              the guidelines were provided by our food and drug
    16        administration are met by the raw materials we are looking
              at.
    17
         MR. MORRIS:  That 6 per cent, do you know if it was used for
    18        post-consumer, post-customer packaging or for the
              corrugated shipping?
    19        A.  It was used for corrugated in addition to drink
              carriers, possibly some in happy milk cartons, toilet
    20        tissue.
 
    21   Q.   I believe corrugated shipping materials is a third of your
              post-consumer waste, is that correct, something like that?
    22        A.  It is a third of the waste that is found in the
              dumpster in the back of McDonald's, the trash bin.
    23
         Q.   So of this 6 per cent, something like, you do not know,
    24        but it could have been all corrugated except for you said
              there was -- which packaging actually had recycled paper
    25        inside it?
              A.  The drink carriers, napkins, happy meal cartons. 
    26 
         Q.   Drink carriers we are talking about that customers have in 
    27        their hands?
              A.  The carriers to drink, all the cups, four hole
    28        carriers, so there would be four beverages you carried in
              a small tray.
    29
         Q.   That was in the 1987?
    30        A.  Yes.
 

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