Day 184 - 06 Nov 95 - Page 39


     
     1        people do not move out at least until, you know, after
     2        university.  So I would consider myself independent.
     3        I consider myself to have an independent mind.
     4
     5   Q.   Right.  But after four conversations specifically about the
     6        union with Chris Morrison and Sarah Ingliss, you described
     7        that as pressure and intimidation; yes?
     8        A.  I said after four specific occasions, but there was
     9        more than that that they would bring up to me the point
    10        that have I signed a card yet.
    11
    12   Q.   You felt that was intimidation?
    13        A.  No.  I said that I was -- I felt like I was being
    14        badgered, like I was being harassed.
    15
    16   Q.   Harassment.  So is the situation that you expressed
    17        interest in the union, you were considering it, but that
    18        you kept saying to them you had not decided yet; is that
    19        the position?
    20        A.  No, I never expressed an interest.  Sarah just
    21        said, "Do you want to come over to my house for this
    22        meeting?  You know what it is about."  So I said, "Sure",
    23        and that was the first meeting.  After that, I never, you
    24        know, I never gave to her any hint or I never led her on to
    25        believe that I was all for the union or that I had interest
    26        in it.
    27
    28   Q.   You had come to the meeting -- you said you had come to a
    29        meeting voluntarily?
    30        A.  Yes; and she just said, "Why do you not at least come
    31        in and hear what it is about"; and I never went to anything
    32        after that.
    33
    34   Q.   You said that you did not sign a card at that time because
    35        you had to go to work and did not have time to find out all
    36        the details; yes?
    37        A.  That is right.  The meeting was still going on, so
    38        there was things I still did not know.
    39
    40   Q.   Right.  You have said in your statement that you were
    41        uneasy about having signed a card without really knowing
    42        what it meant.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Have you got the page reference?
    45
    46   MR. MORRIS:  That is paragraph 13.  "So I eventually decided
    47        I did not want to join a union" -- because you did not
    48        really know what it meant?
    49        A.  I am sorry, I did not hear the paragraph.
    50 
    51   Q.   You do not have to look at your paragraph. 
    52        A.  OK, that is fine. 
    53
    54   Q.   You can remember what was happening at that time, can you?
    55        A.  I remember most of the things.  I just do not remember
    56        what I consider minor things.
    57
    58   Q.   But, as you say in your statement, you were uneasy about
    59        having signed a card without really knowing what it meant?
    60        A.  Yes.

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