Day 124 - 10 May 95 - Page 25
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2 From my personal experience, usually, good managers would
3 have a fairly decent indication of who might have been
4 taking the funds from the till or taking merchandise. When
5 you sat those individuals down individually and indicated
6 to them that you were having problems at the restaurant,
7 and there were a number of people that we wanted to
8 interview, in some cases the individual said: "Listen, if
9 we schedule them for the interview, they would never show
10 up for the interview and then later on they would not come
11 to work", so .....
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13 Q. In terms of where you are asking questions where you did
14 not have some specific incident, I will put it to you that
15 if you are, by and large, expecting negative
16 answers -- because otherwise you -----
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18 MR. JUSTICE BELL: By "negative" -- I completely misunderstood
19 what you meant by "negative".
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21 MS. STEEL: People say: "No, I have not got any offences" and
22 "No, I have not stolen".
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24 MR. JUSTICE BELL: So you mean from the person, not from the
25 machine? The machine does not ----
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27 MS. STEEL: From the person. (To the witness): Those
28 interviews, where people are saying: "No, I have not",
29 "No, I have been honest", you would expect these answers
30 because otherwise you would not really be thinking of
31 promoting them?
32 A. That is correct.
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34 Q. Such an interview would take five, maybe, 10 minutes at the
35 most, and the reason that these interviews went on for much
36 longer than that is because you were asking employees
37 questions about their attitude to the Company, their
38 attitude to trade unions and that kind of thing?
39 A. Absolutely not. I do not know where you would come to
40 that conclusion. That was not the case. I do not profess
41 to be an expert in the giving of polygraph tests. I can
42 give you my best recollection of what transpires there,
43 having been interviewed and having had it explained to me
44 and having it explained to me by the professionals that
45 give the exam.
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47 You just do not walk in, sit down and put the band on your
48 arm and then immediately go into questions pertaining to
49 areas of dishonesty. You want to establish a pattern:
50 What is your name? Where do you live? Where did you go to
51 school? Do you have any sisters? Do you have any
52 brothers? What is your mother's name? So that a pattern
53 is established so they -----
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55 MR. JUSTICE BELL: You calibrate the machine on normal every day
56 questions?
57 A. That is correct.
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59 Q. Because the physiology change in pulse rate, perspiration,
60 whatever physiological signs the machine registers, will
