Day 179 - 30 Oct 95 - Page 41


     
     1        when it is cooked?
     2        A.  Yes.
     3
     4   Q.   You did know that?
     5        A.  Yes.
     6
     7   Q.   So very likely there were customers who did not like to see
     8        the pink and sent it back?
     9        A.  They would be a different thing.  It would be the
    10        actual middle of the burger would still be bloody.
    11
    12   Q.   How often did that happen?
    13        A.  Occasionally.
    14
    15   Q.   Do you remember a gang of skinheads that came in and caused
    16        trouble in the restaurant?
    17        A.  I was not there that night.
    18
    19   Q.   You were not?
    20        A.  No.
    21
    22   Q.   Do you remember a crew member called John McCarthy?
    23        A.  Yes, I do, yes.
    24
    25   Q.   Do you remember that it was he who founded the McDonald's
    26        Freedom Fighters?
    27        A.  To my understanding, it was Robert Pilgrim.
    28
    29   Q.   You are not conscious, therefore, that the origin of the
    30        Freedom Fighters was nothing to do with the crew, but had
    31        to do with this trouble caused by the skinheads?
    32        A.  No, I have never heard of that before.
    33
    34   Q.   Can I ask you to look at another document?
    35
    36   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Are you going on to another, or are you still
    37        staying on that or -----
    38
    39   MR. RAMPTON:  I am almost finished.  I do not know whether a
    40        wise advocate would say -- no, I have gone off the
    41        skinheads, I am going on to staffing levels -- that he
    42        ought to stop there in case there is something else.
    43
    44   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Something else may occur to you and I do not
    45        know whether there will be any re-examination.  Have you
    46        got Mr. Pearson organised for first thing tomorrow?
    47
    48   MR. MORRIS:   Yes.
    49
    50   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  2 o'clock. 
    51 
    52                        (Luncheon Adjournment) 
    53
    54   MR. RAMPTON:  Mr. Gibney, can I ask you, you worked at
    55        McDonald's for quite a long time?
    56        A.  Yes.
    57
    58   Q.   Eventually, in an hourly paid managerial position and as a
    59        potential salaried manager at Milton Keynes.  What do you
    60        understand the purpose of scheduling staff in McDonald's to

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