Day 204 - 15 Jan 96 - Page 37


     
     1   Q.   You do not?
     2        A.  No.
     3
     4   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just pause a moment.  If the events which the
     5        notes refer to did happen, they will be during the last six
     6        months that you were Area Supervisor ---
     7        A.  Right.
     8
     9   Q.   -- would they not, September and November?
    10        A.  It is November, I believe.
    11
    12   Q.   I think Mr. Skehel took over from you at the beginning of
    13        February 1991, so September and November would be during
    14        your last six months as Area Supervisor?
    15        A.  That is right, yes, sir.
    16
    17   MS. STEEL:   Was anything like this ever raised at a rap
    18        session, not necessarily one which you chaired, but one
    19        which would have come to your attention because you were
    20        the Supervisor for the area?
    21        A.  I do not believe it was when I was Supervisor, no.
    22
    23   Q.   Did you ever talk to crew when you were Supervisor about
    24        whether they were having any problems with their pay?
    25        A.  We used to talk to crew all the time, yes.
    26
    27   Q.   They did not raise it with you?
    28        A.  No, they did not, no, not this particular instance.
    29
    30   Q.   You did not used to check the clock cards or anything like
    31        that when you were Supervisor to check that procedures were
    32        being adhered to or anything like that?
    33        A.  I mean, I never really had any reason to check the
    34        clock cards.  It was the sort of thing I would have done if
    35        I suspected there was something going on.  Nobody ever
    36        brought anything of this nature to my attention.
    37
    38   Q.   What about to check whether crew, under 18 year old crew,
    39        were working past their legal hours?
    40        A.  That is one thing I would have checked on as just a
    41        matter of course, but that would have been a case of taking
    42        the clock cards out of the clock card file and then
    43        checking them, checking the under 18s which we usually snip
    44        the corner.
    45
    46   Q.   So you did check the clock cards sometimes?
    47        A.  I checked the clock cards frequently but not for, you
    48        know, whether they were getting the correct pay.
    49
    50   Q.   That was because you knew this was going on, did you not? 
    51        A.  No, I did not, no. 
    52 
    53   Q.   So it would hardly have come as a surprise?
    54        A.  I think if it was going on then on a frequent basis,
    55        then it would have come to my attention.  How this
    56        particular incident did not come to my attention is
    57        surprising to me.  I would have thought it would have done,
    58        but it must have been hushed up at store level.
    59
    60   Q.   Are you saying that stores can keep things from Supervisors

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