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     1        all.
     2
     3   Q.   But in the light of that, are you willing to do withdraw
     4        your comment regarding the union matter at least that
     5        Mr. Magee was lying?
     6
     7   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  No.
     8
     9   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, that is wholly unfair.
    10
    11   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  It just is not the way I took it down at
    12        all.  Mrs. Farrer was asked if she had read the statement
    13        and what she did.  She made her comment about lies or a
    14        liar.  She was then asked, which I did not necessarily
    15        relate to those questions and answers at all, whether she
    16        remembered anything of Mr. Magee running a campaign to join
    17        a union and she said she did not.  You have asked that she
    18        was a five-star person.  She will excuse me saying so, she
    19        was already by that time rather older than Mr. Magee.  I do
    20        not find it at all difficult to believe that whoever he
    21        canvassed he did not get round to Mrs. Farrer.  I do not
    22        necessarily see any conflict there.  I said you should ask
    23        about it; perhaps I should modify that.  You can ask about
    24        it if you want.
    25
    26   MR. RAMPTON:  My Lord, it is also right to say that Mr. Magee's
    27        allegation is quite different.  His allegation is that
    28        Mr. Giardina or somebody else broke into his locker and
    29        took the leaflets out.
    30
    31   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes.  Mrs. Farrer can be specifically asked
    32        about that, but I have absolutely no reason to suppose that
    33        Mrs. Farrer will know anything about that either.
    34
    35   MS. STEEL:  I think the point is that Mrs. Farrer should not
    36        have said that Mr. Magee was a liar.  She should have said
    37        "I did not recognise any of those things happening while
    38        I was there.
    39
    40   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  You can challenge her on that if you
    41        liability or you can just let it pass and there we are.
    42
    43   MS. STEEL:  You are not in a position ----
    44
    45   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Just listen for a moment.  If you want to
    46        challenge her on that it is entirely up to you, you do not
    47        have to do it at all, the first thing you have to ask her
    48        is in what respects she says Mr. Magee was lying and take
    49        it from there.  But you do not have to ask that.
    50 
    51   MS. STEEL:   As far as the union matter goes, you are not in a 
    52        position to say whether Mr. Magee was lying; you can just 
    53        say you are not aware of anything he said?
    54        A.  I was not calling him a liar on that.  I was calling
    55        him a liar on other matter of his statement.
    56
    57   MR. MORRIS:  Well, the union allegation was the only one that
    58        was put, so that is the only one we are concerned with.
    59
    60   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  See if you can carry on for about another 10

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