Day 118 - 01 May 95 - Page 73


     
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     2   Q.   It would be your job, would it not, to monitor that policy,
     3        in effect, to make sure that the company's policy or any
     4        illegalities were being ----
     5        A.  It would be the responsibility of the both the
     6        Operations Department and the Human Resources Department to
     7        do that, yes.
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     9   Q.   Which includes your Personnel?
    10        A.  Yes.
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    12   Q.   Because it is responsible for Human Resources?
    13        A.  Yes.
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    15   Q.   You said you made general visits to stores?
    16        A.  Yes.
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    18   Q.   Were your visits generally kind of routine visits, you went
    19        and chatted with the manager, just looked at the whole
    20        operation?
    21        A.  There would be various reasons for me to visit the
    22        store.  If I was going to visit the Northern region, for
    23        instance, I would obviously let the regional manager know
    24        I was coming and on the way there I would visit some stores
    25        unannounced.  Then I would arrange with the Head of
    26        Personnel for the region, head of security for the region,
    27        to visit some of their stores with the local regional
    28        head.  I would also visit franchisees because at that time
    29        I was responsible for the whole of the franchise operation
    30        in the United Kingdom.  So, I visit them sometimes
    31        arranged, sometimes not arranged; sometimes by invitation
    32        of course.
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    34   Q.   What I am saying is, for example, there were some stores in
    35        the London area around 1989/90 that were employing some
    36        young children, yes, 15 year olds?
    37        A.  Yes, I do not know how many.
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    39   Q.   You did not visit those stores?
    40        A.  Not for that particular reason.  I do not know.
    41
    42   Q.   That is what I am saying.
    43        A.  Not for that particular reason.
    44
    45   Q.   Was the reason you visited stores more of a
    46        general -- I would have thought that would be something
    47        which if you were concerned with specific ----
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    49   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Why not just put to him: Do you think you
    50        ought to have visited because there were 15-year olds 
    51        working there or there might be? 
    52        A.  The answer to that would be, no, I did not but my human 
    53        resource officers would.  They would know the stores they
    54        were responsible for, who were employing them, and they
    55        would visit certainly.
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    57   MR. MORRIS:  So, was this generally the situation on all
    58        matters, that if it was a specialised matter there would be
    59        somebody that would deal with it rather than you?
    60        A.  I could deal with some specialised matters.  I mean

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