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     1        whether Mr. McGee's statement accords with Mr. Pearson's
     2        experience, it will have some things which Mr. Pearson
     3        might be able to give admissible evidence about, and a
     4        number of other things which Mr. Pearson could not possibly
     5        give admissible evidence about.
     6
     7   MR. MORRIS:  Yes, I was going to ask him ------
     8
     9   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  At the risk of taking just a little bit
    10        longer than it might otherwise take, I suggest you ask
    11        Mr. Pearson puts Mr. McGee's statement on one side and you
    12        seek to elicit that which you want from Mr. Pearson.
    13
    14   MR. MORRIS:  Right.  Can I just say something?  I am finding it
    15        very difficult to do this examination-in-chief when, you
    16        know, I was going to do what you said, or let Mr. Pearson
    17        do it, but I am finding it very hard to get any flow.
    18
    19   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Let us get started.  You can start.
    20
    21   MR. MORRIS:  I can deal with it, no problem.
    22
    23   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Yes, very well.  Just sit down if you want to
    24        think about it, but otherwise take your time and get
    25        yourself organised on what you want to ask.
    26
    27   MR. MORRIS (To the witness):  Mr. McGee joined the Transport and
    28        General Workers union, did he?
    29        A.  He did.  I met Mr. McGee in my office at North Gower
    30        Street around about June 1987 for the first time, when he
    31        approached me seeking advice and information on the
    32        possibility of joining the Transport and General Workers
    33        Union and -----
    34
    35   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Pause there a moment.  Yes?
    36        A.  He was a young man, he was a student, he was working,
    37        as he told me, at the Seven Sisters branch of McDonald's
    38        which I was familiar with, and he was describing to me some
    39        of the working conditions, was asking for my advice on wage
    40        rates, and I gave him advice as to the applicability of
    41        Wages Council minimum wage rates, overtime rates and so
    42        forth.
    43
    44        Bearing in mind that we are now talking about the period
    45        just after the original revisions to Wages Council
    46        legislation 1986, I provided him with probably around 30
    47        TGWU hotel and catering recruitment leaflets, and I did not
    48        just give them to him and say, you know, go off ------
    49
    50   Q.   Just pause.  I am taking a note, do you understand, so if 
    51        you break it up and just rather watch my pen and I will 
    52        give you a nod, if need be, to go on.  "I provided him with 
    53        about 30 TGWU leaflets"?
    54        A.  Hotel and catering membership leaflets, which contained
    55        basic information on joining the union, union subscription
    56        rates, and a passing mention of the Wages Council statutory
    57        minimum wage rates applicable at that time.  I advised him
    58        that he would be if he joined -----
    59
    60   Q.   Just pause a moment.

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