Day 069 - 19 Dec 94 - Page 26


     
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     2   Q.   Let me ask you about Opticarnes.
     3        A.  Where are you?  I do not know where you are, so
     4        I cannot follow you.
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     6   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  He is just going to ask you a question
     7        generally, not on the form.
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     9   MR. MORRIS:  Does not Opticarnes in Uruguay export to McDonald's
    10        in other countries?
    11        A.  I do not know who is Opticarnes.  I do not understand.
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    13   Q.   In Uruguay?  Let us go to Malaysia.  It was the last item
    14        in Malaysia.  It is "D".
    15        A.  Malaysia?
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    17   Q.   It was page 4 of D.  Your supplier, Opticarnes; you said
    18        before they exported to McDonald's in Malaysia?
    19        A.  They buy raw materials from Uruguay, yes.
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    21   Q.   And they export to McDonald's in Malaysia?
    22        A.  No, it is not McDonald's in Malaysia.  It is a supplier
    23        called Mac Foods in Malaysia who supply products for us.
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    25   Q.   So when you say that a supplier does not export to
    26        McDonald's, in the questions I have asked you on this
    27        subject, they could be supplying McDonald's suppliers?
    28        A.  They could be McDonald's suppliers but, as I mentioned
    29        before, most of the time we have the divisions within those
    30        suppliers.  They could be supplying to a particular
    31        supplier that supplies to McDonald's.  That does not mean
    32        they supply to us.
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    34   Q.   What was the name of the company in Malaysia that they
    35        exported to?
    36        A.  It is called Mac Foods.
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    38   Q.   Mac Foods supply McDonald's in Malaysia?
    39        A.  With patties, that is correct.
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    41   Q.   With patties.  So that some of that patty meat will have
    42        come originally from Opticarnes?
    43        A.  From Uruguay?
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    45   Q.   Yes.
    46        A.  Yes, it could.
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    48   Q.   So when I have asked you questions about various countries
    49        supplying to McDonald's, and you have said, "No, they do
    50        not export to McDonald's", what you meant then is that they 
    51        did not export direct to McDonald's? 
    52        A.  Direct to McDonald's -- it depends on the questions 
    53        that you asked me.  You have to be more specific.
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    55   Q.   For example, some of them said that they exported to a
    56        particular country, and you said:  "Well, they do not
    57        export to McDonald's"?
    58        A.  That is correct.
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    60   Q.   But they may export to a supplier that supplied McDonald's?

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