Day 269 - 25 Jun 96 - Page 83


     
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     2   Q.   That is based, as I said to you earlier, is it not, on the
     3        assumption that it has not made an appearance, it does not
     4        have a prevalence, if you like to call it that, in, let us
     5        say, France and Germany?
     6        A.  It is not assumption.  I think that the Europeans have,
     7        and I am quite sure there will be reports on this, the
     8        Government will certainly have them, that the Europeans
     9        have a much lower -- it is not a question that there is
    10        none.  The occasional case occurs from time to time in
    11        France.
    12
    13   Q.   Reported cases.
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    15   MR. JUSTICE BELL:  Anyway, whether you are right about this or
    16        not?
    17        A.   Yes.
    18
    19   Q.   You would suggest that a possible compounding factor, if
    20        the French eat more meat than we do but have a lower
    21        incidence of heart disease is related to the way they
    22        relate they rear and look after their livestock?
    23        A.   And the way they butcher it.
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    25   Q.   And the way they butcher it.  What, trimming, you mean?
    26        A.  Yes.
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    28   MR. RAMPTON:  And you are not proposing, I suppose, that French
    29        butter is lower in saturated fat than British?
    30        A.   No, indeed I am not.  French butter is no different;
    31        it is unsalted.
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    33   Q.   Or German butter.
    34        A.   No.
    35
    36   Q.   Some French butter is unsalted.  Now, having been through
    37        that little exercise so far, the other one that I would ask
    38        you to notice is total vegetables and fruit.  You could
    39        notice in passing that the French and the Germans, eat
    40        roughly the same amounts of pulses and nuts.  So far the
    41        purpose of this exercise we can forget them, but you will
    42        notice that the French and the Germans, roughly speaking,
    43        eat just about or under 500 grammes per person per day of
    44        vegetables and fruit, whereas we come out just under 400.
    45        Do you see that?
    46        A.   Yes, I do.
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    48   Q.   If you then go back to the blocks on the left-hand side of
    49        the picture; forget the French for the moment or indeed,
    50        for the purposes of your evidence forget them entirely, and
    51        look at the West Germans?
    52        A.  Yes.
    53
    54   Q.   Bottom right-hand corner, who, for these years 1968-1990
    55        mortality from heart disease appears to have been roughly
    56        half of ours?
    57        A.  Yes.
    58
    59   Q.   Given the quantities that we have just looked at of
    60        saturated fat that the Germans must be consuming in

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