Day 121 - 04 May 95 - Page 70
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2 MR. RAMPTON: My Lord, scattered throughout the case are
3 actually quite a lot of documents generated in one form or
4 another by computers, both here and in America. To do the
5 whole range of them overnight would mean it would be
6 impossible.
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8 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Indeed it would, but I am merely thinking,
9 while we have Mr. Nicholson, because he has only been
10 referred to a certain number. I think at some stage before
11 the end of the case there ought to be a comprehensive list,
12 because it is not going to be very satisfactory if in, I do
13 not know, whenever it may be, some months time after the
14 evidence is closed, someone in the speech is referring to a
15 computer print-out and someone on the other side stands up
16 and says: "Well, that has not been proved and it is just
17 not admissible".
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19 MR. RAMPTON: No, precisely that is the point I was seeking to
20 make.
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22 MR. JUSTICE BELL: One thing I am not going to do in the middle
23 of speeches is go back to having evidence to make stuff
24 admissible which is not admissible.
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26 MR. RAMPTON: I hope that is the point I was making the other
27 day; it must be done sooner rather than later. What we had
28 better do at some stage in the near rather than the far
29 future is produce a list of all the documents which we
30 think have been generated by a computer, just so that
31 everybody can see what we think they are. Unless I hear
32 otherwise from the Defendants, I will invite your Lordship
33 to accept those figures or statements, or whatever they
34 are, as being accurate or reliable. But, so far as
35 Mr. Nicholson is concerned, there are, I think, only four.
36 There is the crew information figures which are two
37 documents ---
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39 MR. JUSTICE BELL: The PNL.
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41 MR. RAMPTON: -- the PNL extract and the table from the Midlands
42 (which is in the bundle) which Ms. Steel was using, I
43 believe, she thought to her advantage this afternoon.
44 Also, there are the big ones and the reductions of
45 summaries about the number of young people that worked over
46 96 hours as well, so there is those as well.
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48 MR. JUSTICE BELL: Anyway, think about that all overnight. For
49 all I know, you will come back in the morning and say:
50 "Yes, we accept that". What you cannot really do is
51 accept some figures from a print-out and not others. It is
52 either all in or all out. You have made some use of the
53 figures to forward, you hope, your own case, but I think we
54 have got to be absolutely clear whether in fact you are
55 accepting them. If you do not, it may not be difficult for
56 Mr. Rampton to go through the form required to prove them,
57 but that is another matter.
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59 MR. MORRIS: So will the procedure be that we get a list of
60 computer-generated -----
